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Tuesday, October 10, 2017

The United States lost to Trinidad and Tobago 2-1 Tuesday night, a result that coupled with wins by Honduras and Panama puts the U.S. out of next year's World Cup. "The most surreal and embarrassing night in US soccer history," tweets Grant Wahl.

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Bummer......

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 10:21 PM | Reply

World Cup in Russia? I'm sure donald will go in their stead.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-10 10:43 PM | Reply

Bummer......

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

There's always Cowes Week ... youtu.be

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-10 11:08 PM | Reply

Now...based on national team performance and national team revenue...let's have a conversation regarding what the USMNT receives in compensation versus what the USWNT receives in compensation.

For the non-Soccer fans out there: CONCACAF is the weakest qualifying group in the world, but the US men's team, coming from the richest (GDP $18.57T) and third most populace (326M) country lost to Trinidad and Tobago (GDP $20.99B, pop 1.365M).

The women's team performs better and earns more dollah bills than the men's team. The women's team has accomplished this feat consistently.

I'm interested in the financial and performance arguments that paying the USWNT will cause the USMNT to do worse than 5th in CONCACAF hex qualifying.

#4 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-10-11 12:41 AM | Reply

Now...based on national team performance and national team revenue...let's have a conversation regarding what the USMNT receives in compensation versus what the USWNT receives in compensation.

For the non-Soccer fans out there: CONCACAF is the weakest qualifying group in the world, but the US men's team, coming from the richest (GDP $18.57T) and third most populace (326M) country lost to Trinidad and Tobago (GDP $20.99B, pop 1.365M).

The women's team performs better and earns more dollah bills than the men's team. The women's team has accomplished this feat consistently.

I'm interested in the financial and performance arguments that paying the USWNT will cause the USMNT to do worse than 5th in CONCACAF hex qualifying.

#5 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-10-11 12:41 AM | Reply

They're going to have to beat at least Trinidad & Tabago for many to care...

#6 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-11 02:57 AM | Reply

The women's team performs better and earns more dollah bills than the men's team.

That was true during the year of the Women's World Cup, but it isn't true of all years.

Regardless, I think the women should be paid the same as the men. I've seen the team play a few times. They draw large, boisterous crowds like the men, and also have the advantage of being near the top of their sport. If anyone here has a chance to see them play, you should go -- especially if you have kids who like soccer. It's a great time.

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 08:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For the most part, men's sports are vastly more enjoyable to watch than women's sports.

A couple of notable exceptions:

Women's tennis. Men's is still better IMO but it seems like women's tennis has far fewer aces and longer volleys.

Women's volleyball. This one may actually be preferable to men's volleyball. The volleys are definitely longer and more fun to watch - so much power in men's volleyball which makes for shorter volleys.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-11 08:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's be clear.... only the MEN's team will miss the world cup.

The women's team will make it, compete, earn a medal and still be paid 1/4 what the men get.

Freedumb!

www.pbs.org

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-11 08:34 AM | Reply

Women's volleyball. This one may actually be preferable to men's volleyball. The volleys are definitely longer and more fun to watch - so much power in men's volleyball which makes for shorter volleys.

See, this is what's wrong with America today. That is NOT the reason it's more enjoyable to watch women's volleyball VS mens volleyball..

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-11 09:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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For the most part, men's sports are vastly more enjoyable to watch than women's sports.

I think it's personal preference more than objective fact. Most of us grew up watching sports when the only women we saw were in women's tennis and Olympic sports. Now that women are shown more I expect more fans appreciate those sports better than we do.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 09:29 AM | Reply

See, this is what's wrong with America today. That is NOT the reason it's more enjoyable to watch women's volleyball VS mens volleyball..

People who are only watching a sport to leer aren't real fans. They can do that watching any number of things other than a woman's sport, and generally do.

You have to like the actual sport to watch it consistently. Otherwise it's too boring, even if the athletes are good looking.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know the men's team is going to have to win more for it to be palatable to the masses..

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-11 09:51 AM | Reply

Plenty of the masses already like the USMNT. 24.7 million people in the U.S. watched the U.S. play Portugal in the last World Cup.

The men have been among the top 10-12 teams in the world for years before this disastrous slide. They reached the knockout round of the last Cup and were close to beating Belgium to reach the quarterfinals.

Anyone who isn't watching them until they are the best in the world isn't acting like a sports fan. Most fans don't want to be bandwagon fans. They want to see the climb, not just the peak.

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In some sports the women's game is as entertaining as the men's. Soccer is not one of them but it's not as bad as the disparity between the NBA and WNBA. Soccer loving countries are simply not as interested in the women's World Cup. The following the us women's team enjoys is atypical. That the American women should be compensated in line with the revenue they generate.

#15 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-11 10:18 AM | Reply

As a huge fan of American soccer my honest feeling is that if we are not good enough to qualify then we really don't belong. If we really are this bad, I'd rather be spared the embarrassment of three quick losses in Russia and a flight home. That's okay. We'll be back. These things really are cyclical as any long term fan of the sport knows.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-11 11:33 AM | Reply

I would rather find out we don't belong in Russia than in Trinidad and Tobago. Not going at all is like being told in advance that your birthday next year is cancelled.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remember clearly when we qualified in 1990. It was an embarrassment. I watched all three games. We got our asses kicked all three games. No thank you. Better a no-show and a rebuilding than a completely useless appearance. IMO.

Also, I really enjoy following the World Cup regardless of whether the US is there or not. It is a sports holiday with sensational action the full month.

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-11 11:40 AM | Reply

I remember clearly when we qualified in 1990. It was an embarrassment. I watched all three games. We got our asses kicked all three games.

That was 1990 -- the first time the U.S. qualified in 40 years. The U.S. wasn't a soccer nation then like it is today and the USMNT was barely funded. I don't see what bearing that result has on today's much different era. We weren't embarrassed at recent World Cups, advancing out of the group stage the last four times.

I'll watch the Cup too, but it's not as much fun. There won't be any giant crowds in American cities watching matches or sports bars packed with fans rooting on the U.S.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 11:45 AM | Reply

#19 1990 World Cup? Ha! I'll never forget that one! I was still in the Air Force and was stationed in Sardinia, Italy at the time, so I got to experience the Italians' incredible, life-and-death passion for the game, with the added excitement and intensity of them being the host country. Had no interest in soccer before that. After the Italians were beaten by Maradonna's Argentina in the semi-finals, I rooted for Germany in the final, quickly became a Jürgen Klinsmann fan, and they've been my favorite team since--have their jersey with four stars hanging in my closet. As a funny aside, I almost got my butt whipped by Italian police because of the 1990 World Cup. Out an about in the city of Cagliari with an Italian friend, out of the blue I was swarmed by Italian Cops (Carabinieri) with night sticks at the ready. As a tall fair-skinned guy, I didn't look like the shorter, darker locals and was mistaken for an English Hooligan who happened to be tearing up the town that day due to match in the city between Holland and England. Luckily, my Italian friend instantly understood the mistaken identity and shouted "Lui e Americano"--he is American! Saved me from a butt wuppin'! Good times. Speaking of Jürgen Klinsmann, nobody seeing a connection between him being fired and the current failure to qualify for the 2018 WC?

#20 | Posted by babyhuey at 2017-10-11 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NPR had a story yesterday about Iceland qualifying. Population of only 332,529, it's kind of amazing that they could put together a team that good.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-11 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaking of Jürgen Klinsmann, nobody seeing a connection between him being fired and the current failure to qualify for the 2018 WC?

The connection is that Klinsmann's team was terrible at the beginning of qualifying and he didn't give us enough young high quality players. This failure is on him as much as Arena.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Were it not for a couple of youngsters inherited from Klinsmann (Pulisic, the leading goal scorer in Hex qualifying and Wood, whose goal at 85' versus Honduras salvaged a tie) Arena's failure would've come much sooner.

I was impressed with the Klinsmann team performance in 2014 (getting to the knockout round after starting in a group that included both Germany and Portugal and only losing to Belgium in extra time, after leaving Landon Donovan off the team), but I agree that Klinsmann had failed to meet expectations overall and needed to go.

That said, I question an assertion that Arena didn't have the talent base to come in higher than 5th in CONCACAF, and no one I've heard or read thinks Klinsmann would've done worse.

Klinsmann left Arena the requisite talent to qualify for the World Cup in the same way that Klinsmann left Arena the requisite talent to win the Gold Cup 3 months ago (due, in no small part, to another youngster, Jordan Morris). Although the US would've likely come in 2nd at the Gold Cup if Mexico has played its "A" team, the success in the Gold Cup brings the qualifying failure into sharp focus.

#23 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-10-11 05:32 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI

The Icelandic accomplishment is even more impressive when you consider that it happened in UEFA; the confederation which has won 11 of 20 World Cups and which is home to 13 of the top 20 national teams.

#24 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-10-11 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As a huge fan of American soccer...
#16 | POSTED BY MODER8

There's no such term as "American soccer".

Soccer is the American term for Fútbol.

"American Football" is what other countries call football.

Huge fan you say? Then you'd want America in the World Cup and be deviated they didn't make it.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-11 06:04 PM | Reply

Devastated too...

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-11 06:05 PM | Reply

There's no such term as "American soccer".

The term "soccer" began in England and has been used since the 19th century to describe football. It's a word based on Association Football (the sport's official name back in the day).

Brits used the term soccer a lot until it caught on in the U.S. The more popular soccer got here, the more Brits just called it football.

These days I follow so much of their football I sometimes catch myself calling the NFL "American football."

Soccer is the greatest sport on Earth.

#27 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-11 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hard luck. Always the Qartari Cup to work towards.
But that Messi bloke ! He can't half play.
But can he do that on a November Wednesday night in Oldham ?

#28 | Posted by tunde at 2017-10-11 07:03 PM | Reply

#27

I love The English Barclays Premier League. Those games are my favorite to watch.

They play a little rougher and their fans are crazy.

It's a great game to watch.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-11 08:36 PM | Reply

I love The English Barclays Premier League. Those games are my favorite to watch.

Same here. I try to catch 1-2 games a weekend.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-12 11:09 AM | Reply

Last night Colbert hit it out of the park. Mexico tried to help us stay in the world cup but there was a wall in the way

#31 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-12 05:27 PM | Reply

Shouldnt we be boycotting women's soccer. They wont give the men the same opportunity to play in their league. And that's sexist. And sexism is bad.

#32 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-10-12 05:52 PM | Reply

For those of you looking for a feel good sports team to follow in the wake of this debacle, the Yankees are making an improbable run in the MLB playoffs this year.

#33 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-13 09:36 AM | Reply

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