Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, October 10, 2017

Teri Carter: The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump's election is this: "We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama." Fair enough. Let's take a look. The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled. General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest. While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11. Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden. He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

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He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs. He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans. He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth. Due to Obama's regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half. Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996. ...

If that's the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.

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President Obama was not perfect, as no man and no president is, and you can certainly disagree with his political ideologies. But to say we suffered? If that's the argument, if this is how we suffered for 8 years under Barack Obama, I have one wish: may we be so fortunate as to suffer 8 more.

Amen. Or praise be to Allah, your choice....

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-10 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

An excellent piece, Tony.

Good catch.

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 02:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good article, Tony. Thanks for posting it.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-10 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But, he WAS black, so there is that.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-10 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

What a half baked article. He put up a trillion $ of tax payer money to bail out the UAW. Now lets talk about the country's growth during his 8 years......... There was none. All he did was raise taxes and screw the tax payer with o'bummer care with huge premiums and even larger deductibles. What a man. Couldn't even throw a baseball.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 03:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"He put up a trillion $ of tax payer money to bail out the UAW." - #5 | Posted by snippy at 2017-10-10 03:27 PM

When you don't know the truth, snippy, you make something up.

"All he did was raise taxes and screw the tax payer with o'bummer care with huge premiums and even larger deductibles."

When you don't know the truth, snippy, you make something up.

#6 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Obama is a far better and more accomplished man than snippy and that just galls him to no end. Poor pathetic snippy.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2017-10-10 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Couldn't even throw a baseball.
#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Such suffering you experienced...and for 8 years?

You poor, poor BABY!

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-10 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Don't forget: 8 years of sub-3% economic growth, record lows for labor participation, record highs for food stamp consumption, increased levels of racial tensions (a serious step back in racial progress), adding over $9 Trillion to our debt, turning college campuses into kangaroo courts when dealing with sexual assault/harassment allegations....i could go on but hopefully the point has been made.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#9 yawn.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 05:14 PM | Reply

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#9 yawn.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

AMEN Honey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-10 05:19 PM | Reply

#10 and #11

So, you have a ----------- of back-slapping posts and take umbrage with the one post that adds some balance?

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 05:25 PM | Reply

So, you have a ----------- of back-slapping posts and take umbrage with the one post that adds some balance?

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 05:25 PM | Reply

Sorry but down south don't work anymore so sorry.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-10 05:27 PM | Reply

Now lets talk about the country's growth during his 8 years......... There was none.

Ok let's talk about it. I hear the economy is doing pretty good right now.

Where do YOU think today's economy came from? (HINT: the economy did not magically improve on JAN 20th, 2017)

www.cnbc.com

newrepublic.com

Obama's policies helped lift the economy out of a frightening slump and set it on a path to steady, if unspectacular, growth. In fact, I'd call this his biggest achievement. The scale of the financial panic of 2008 and the extent of the job losses that occurred in the first months of 2009 should never be forgotten. By "a number of macroeconomic measures -- including household wealth, employment and trade flows -- the first year of the Great Recession in the United States saw declines that were as large or larger than at the outset of the Great Depression in 1929-30," Jason Furman, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, recounted in an exit memo that he posted online this week.

www.newyorker.com

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 05:42 PM | Reply

I'm happy that Obama can afford his DC mansion, Hawaii xmas getaway, and Harvard edu for the girls.

Greatest public servant ever. Completely selfless.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-10 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you don't know the truth, snippy, you make something up.

#6 | Posted by Hans

The UAW got the lion's share of the trillion. They now own GM. You are full of yourself hands.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 06:38 PM | Reply

#9 yawn.

#10 | Posted by jpw

About what I would expect from a lib when faced with the truth.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 06:39 PM | Reply

About what I would expect from a lib when faced with the truth.

#17 | Posted by Sniper

speaking of the truth...

Still ready to talk about the country's economic growth in the last 8 years any time you are ready.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 07:39 PM | Reply

#9 Obama added over $7 trillion in debt not over 9. Why lie?
Bush added over $5 trillion after inheriting a much better economy.

Obama's term saw a booming stock and housing market and lowered unemployment.
He outperformed Bush economically inspite of inheriting the great recession.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2017-10-10 07:44 PM | Reply

RE #19

He outperformed Bush economically in spite of inheriting a recession greater than the Great Depression.

By "a number of macroeconomic measures -- including household wealth, employment and trade flows -- the first year of the Great Recession in the United States saw declines that were as large or larger than at the outset of the Great Depression in 1929-30," Jason Furman, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, recounted in an exit memo that he posted online this week. (see post 14)

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

About what I would expect from a lib when faced with the truth.

#17 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2017-10-10 06:39 PM | FLAG:

About what I'd expect from a dumbass when confronted with reality...maybe you should lite a campfire and drink some whiskey. That should get your dumbass in the mood.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-10-10 08:15 PM | Reply

and not a single mention that republican leadership met on inauguration day and pledged to block any
legislation he proposed. remember McConnel saying his job was to make obama a one term president.
and in spite of that he kicked republican ass and they can't stand it lol

#22 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-10 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Don't forget: 8 years of sub-3% economic growth, record lows for labor participation, record highs for food stamp consumption, increased levels of racial tensions (a serious step back in racial progress), adding over $9 Trillion to our debt, turning college campuses into kangaroo courts when dealing with sexual assault/harassment allegations....i could go on but hopefully the point has been made.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah all those would seem really bad if you erased everything pre-2009 from your brain.

Half trump's stupid supporters think the economic collapse occurred DURING obama. At least you're not THAT stupid, but pretending the after effects were obama's fault is almost as dumb.

And the racial tensions were his fault - he dared to be president while black. It made all the racists lose their minds. He should have known better.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 09:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So, you have a ----------- of back-slapping posts and take umbrage with the one post that adds some balance?

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What you call balance I call a fiber ridden Faux News dump.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 09:17 PM | Reply

Here's the thing - all I did was point out some of the less-than-rosy things that occurred on Obama's watch. What I DIDN'T do was blame Obama for those things.

But what I saw with this thread was to give full credit to Obama for huge stock market gains (propped up by a zero-interest bubble), so I added some perspective.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 09:22 PM | Reply

Here's the thing - all I did was point out some of the less-than-rosy things that occurred on Obama's watch. What I DIDN'T do was blame Obama for those things.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ

It's intellectually dishonest to say those problems OCCURRED on obama's watch since they occurred before he arrived, or were the direct result of something that occurred before he arrived.

That just shows that he was a very successful president. His enemies have to assign other presidents' failures to him.

Trump in 8 months already has more scandals and screwups than obama did in 8 years.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 09:27 PM | Reply

About what I would expect from a lib when faced with the truth.

#17 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Because what you've been led to believe is "truth" is actually simplified, contrived BS.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

all I did was point out some of the less-than-rosy things that occurred on Obama's watch. What I DIDN'T do was blame Obama for those things.

Then why say it at all?

I get it though. That sort of simplistic thinking is common and it's a giant pet peeve of mine.

Twice in my lifetime a Dem POTUS has passed off good economic conditions to a Repub POTUS.

The first time, it was squandered via tax cuts, wars and piss poor governing.

The second time is shaping up the same way, just with an insidious lying POS at the helm.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#28 | Posted by jpw

Yup. And the republicans will blow it all up again, give endless money to the rich, trash the planet, collapse the economy, then the dems will come back in to fix things, and the repubs will suddenly care about careful spending again.

Any intelligent american could see this pattern. But intelligent americans are increasingly rare.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 09:42 PM | Reply

Twice in my lifetime a Dem POTUS has passed off good economic conditions to a Repub POTUS.

Clinton handed off an economy that was about to have a tech bubble burst and an economy where the foundation of that housing and financial meltdown had been laid.

Also, were you born before or after Reagan was inaugurated?

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 09:50 PM | Reply

Here's the irony with what you said in #28, JPW.

Clinton handed off a strong economy but a bad economic foundation.

Carter handed off Reagan a terrible economy, but the foundation had been laid for an economic rebound by Carter.

Volcker instituted the tough love policies necessary to right the ship. That started at the end of Carter's term. Reagan followed through with it and it took a couple of years for those policies to bear fruit. Reagan received a TON of criticism for the initial lack of economic turnaround and his party got pounded in the mid-terms as a result. But shortly thereafter, with inflation under control and other negatives ironed out the economy boomed.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also, were you born before or after Reagan was inaugurated?

I was born almost two years on the nose after he was elected to a first term (Nov '82).

I didn't want to venture into Carter/Reagan or even Reagan/Bush I because I don't remember it or know enough to argue it, despite the second being technically in my lifetime.

What got me to that point was this graph

www.cnsnews.com

which I searched for in regards to your sub 3% growth comment and which basically shows that other than a short bubble during Bush II (2004-2005), we've been in sub 3% growth since the tech bubble burst in the late 90's.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-10 10:07 PM | Reply

#31 & #32 Everything I've learned on this stuff is what Jeffj said in #31.. I'm not much older then JPW, so once you go all Carter/Reagan stuff gets a little fuzzy cuz I was 5 in 82.

I do know Clinton handed over a ticking time Bomb though, it didn't matter who or what party was President next, that was set to exploded, Tech and Housing bubbles so close... As far as Obama goes he did ok in IMHO he didn't damage the economy worse and he didn't make it thrive it was livable though. I still did not like the bail outs, but an ok turn out makes it just that ok.... Trump for the most part got an economy that wants to go to work.

#33 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-11 12:05 AM | Reply

"which basically shows that other than a short bubble during Bush II (2004-2005), we've been in sub 3% growth"

Fun fact, brought to you by the Party of Fiscal Responsibility:

That "growth" was pre-midterm wartime spending, which eventually found its way onto Obama's credit card.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 12:13 AM | Reply

Welfare spending is down: for every 100 poor families, just 24 receive cash assistance, compared with 64 in 1996
You know if you have to go back 3 presidents worth to show a change, then you are trying to lie with numbers. So, why would the author choose 1996, I wonder. Was there some
legislation passed by Bill Clinton that reformed welfare and cut down on the very high welfare roll rates of the day? So, what do the numbers look like if the author hadn't chosen to go back to the Clinton presidency to pass off that point?
According to the 2014 version of a report that the Department of Health and Human Services is required by law to issue annually, the percentage of Americans on welfare in 2011 was the highest yet calculated. Still looking for 2008-2016 data set.

The short version is this: When you see an author intentionally bias the way they are reporting information, it makes it clear that you can disregard anything else that they've written. You already know that they're biased in favor of 'a', and won't bother even reporting 'b' if it detracts from what they are trying to say.

#35 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-11 07:39 AM | Reply

@#22 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-10 09:02 PM
not a single mention that republican leadership met on inauguration day and pledged to block any
legislation he proposed.
Have a citation for that other than Robert Draper's book? That book says they agreed to
oppose any economic policies put forth by Obama, not 'block any legislation'. And, doesn't the opposition party generally oppose the policies of their opponent?

remember McConnel saying his job was to make obama a one term president.
During the campaign for the Obama's 2nd term. Will you be equally upset by any Congressperson or Senator campaigning against Trump or for his opponent in 2020?

and in spite of that he kicked republican ass and they can't stand it lol
Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy!
lol indeed

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-11 08:01 AM | Reply

Hmm...the McConnel statement was from October of 2010. Midterms in Obama's first term and 2 years into his own term, not during the campaign for Obama's 2nd as I incorrectly stated above. My mistake.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-11 08:04 AM | Reply

lots of political issues being made by the right wing of the dr. Political differences are fair game in politics.

but not a single example of suffering they had to endure due to obama's actions.. meaning the right wing is full of crap.

#38 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-11 08:57 AM | Reply

but not a single example of suffering they had to endure due to obama's actions.. meaning the right wing is full of crap. - #38 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-11 08:57 AM

Have the people on the DR made that assertion that there were suffering for 8 years, or just 'some people' that the author claims to know? Even if some people did make the claim, do you often judge whole groups of people by the actions of a few, like the police or Muslims?

#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-11 09:10 AM | Reply

"Have the people on the DR made that assertion"

the good ole' play stupid routine.

works. but only for 9 year olds

#40 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-11 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"all I did was point out some of the less-than-rosy things that occurred "

I certainly suffered

I was promised gun grabs, sharia law, "conservative" internment camps, death panels and a Texas invasion

I didn't get one of those things

you promised

#41 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-11 10:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 3

Rewarding wall st for its crimes is his biggest blemish. You can argue that bailouts were necessary. But bailouts without prosecutions and real reform are impossible to justify. When this all happens again, Obama will be the grandfather of the next crisis.

But yes he was better than President Cheney.

#42 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-11 10:08 AM | Reply

I do know Clinton handed over a ticking time Bomb though, it didn't matter who or what party was President next, that was set to exploded, Tech and Housing bubbles so close...

#33 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Only took 7 years under the Bush presidency for it to happen. And Bush did nothing during those 7 years but invade countries that had nothing to do with 9-11.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-11 11:00 AM | Reply

TERRIBLE and I'm surprised you guys actually fell for this. I know the ones on the Liberal side want to denounce anything the Reps do and vice versa. However, please don't fall for journalists using the same tactic to report news. I had to stop right at the beginning when it says Obama bailed out the car companies. W is the one who initiated the bailouts and kept the country moving. Obama, up until 2012, had only continued or reinforced W's fiscal policies.

And this is why politics is a joke. Obama and Libs are the FIRST people to start blaming W for everything the minute he was out of office, but then take credit for anything positive that he did. The article's intent is great because the 8 years under Obama was just like every other POTUS. Both parties always say the years under a POTUS of the opposing party were the worst ever in history and our lives are forever suffering because of it, but the smart people know how ridiculous that is and just ignore it. So please, be like the smart people, and ignore when someone says "x years under X were the best/worst ever" or anything close to it. Very rarely do we ever get a term where the POTUS is significantly better or worse than his predecessors enough to make a true claim based in reality.

#44 | Posted by humtake at 2017-10-11 12:06 PM | Reply

take credit for anything positive that he did.

#44 | Posted by humtake at

What was the positive thing W. did?

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-11 12:13 PM | Reply

"W is the one who initiated the bailouts..." - #44 | Posted by humtake at 2017-10-11 12:06 PM

It was during the days when the tall ships ruled the oceans of the world, in the 18th and 19th centuries. One such tall ship was sailing into the night when a fierce storm arose. In the middle of this terrible tempest one of the cannons broke loose from its moorings and rolled about the deck, threatening to sink the ship. One sailor braved the winds and rain and waves and went up on deck, grabbed the cannon, pushed it back into its berth, and lashed it securely into place. His heroic actions saved the ship and the lives of his fellow sailors.

The next day the captain brought the entire crew up to the deck where he gave the sailor a medal for his heroism, then had the sailor hanged from the yardarm.

Why hang the heroic sailor, the sailor who saved everyone's life?

Because it was that sailor's responsibility to make sure the cannon was properly secured before the storm arose.

W is just like that "heroic" sailor.

#46 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-11 12:23 PM | Reply

And this is why politics is a joke. Obama and Libs are the FIRST people to start blaming W for everything the minute he was out of office, but then take credit for anything positive that he did. The article's intent is great because the 8 years under Obama was just like every other POTUS. Both parties always say the years under a POTUS of the opposing party were the worst ever in history and our lives are forever suffering because of it, but the smart people know how ridiculous that is and just ignore it. So please, be like the smart people, and ignore when someone says "x years under X were the best/worst ever" or anything close to it. Very rarely do we ever get a term where the POTUS is significantly better or worse than his predecessors enough to make a true claim based in reality.

#44 | Posted by humtake

False equivilance is all republicans have left.

Only they can say the guy who oversaw an economic collapse and started an unnecessary 5 trillion dollar war, destabilizing the whole mideast, is comparable to a guy who DIDNT do any of that.

That's like saying the guy who raped your daughter is basically the same as the guy who didn't rape your daughter, because no one's perfect.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only took 7 years under the Bush presidency for it to happen. And Bush did nothing during those 7 years but invade countries that had nothing to do with 9-11.

#43 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Your right he did nothing to fix it. You point is what?

If I use the same logic Obama did nothing to stop Russian intrusion into the election. He was in charge after all.

#48 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-11 01:58 PM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

"8 years of sub-3% economic growth"
- The closer you get to the maximum, the smaller the % gains will be YoY. Try again.

"record lows for labor participation"
- Aging population exiting the workforce. It was accelerated by early exits from the Bush Recession. Try again.

"record highs for food stamp consumption"
- Bush Recession. Try again.

"increased levels of racial tensions"
- Racists came out of their holes when a black man beat the maverick and the "you betcha". Try again.

"adding over $9 Trillion to our debt"
- But he cut the deficit by 2/3rds. Learn the difference, moron. Try again.

"i could go on but hopefully the point has been made."
- Please don't. Your point is made -- you are an amnesic fool.

#49 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-11 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

If I use the same logic Obama did nothing to stop Russian intrusion into the election. He was in charge after all.

#48 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

FAKE NEWS ALERT!

You (and Trump) can say that but it would not be true.

Trump said that Obama found out about Russia "in August. Now, the election was in November. That's a lot of time. He did nothing about it."

The Obama administration did not sit idle while Russia interfered in the election, as Trump makes it seem. The administration publicly named the Russian government as the culprit, confronted Putin in person, and worked to secure the country's election infrastructure -- all while the intelligence agencies investigated the issue.

That said, Obama waited until December, after the election, to take any public, punitive measures against Putin, when he kicked out diplomats and imposed sanctions.

Trump's statement contains a grain of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, so we rate it Mostly False.

www.politifact.com

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-11 02:19 PM | Reply

If I use the same logic Obama did nothing to stop Russian intrusion into the election. He was in charge after all.

#48 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

If he had, you'd have been screaming that obama was trying to help hillary in the election.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet

#52 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-11 04:01 PM | Reply

#50

www.google.com

The Democratic National Committee cyber attacks took place in 2015 and 2016, in which computer hackers infiltrated the Democratic National Committee (DNC) computer network, leading to a data breach. Some cybersecurity experts, as well as the U.S. government, stated that the cyberespionage was the work of Russian intelligence agencies.

2015?

#51 Why would I scream? I didn't want Trump or HRC. Would have made no difference to me.

#53 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-11 06:11 PM | Reply

#51 Why would I scream? I didn't want Trump or HRC. Would have made no difference to me.

#53 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

Nor did most people.

That doesn't change the fact that the right would have lost it's mind if obama had interferred.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 07:05 PM | Reply

" 2015? "

It is much easier for us to understand what was happening then with our hindsight now.

Just because the DNC was first hacked in 2015 does not mean anyone understood what it meant and who was behind it then.

June 14, 2016

The Washington Post reports for the first time that Russians penetrated the DNC's computer network and stole opposition research on Trump. The Russians first gained entry into the DNC's system in the summer of 2015 and again in the spring of 2016, but the breach is not made public until now.

www.washingtonpost.com

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-11 07:14 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Yeah, why bother saving an industry that represents 15% of the workforce? Right? Should've spent that money on a war, making contractors rich, right? Sniper, ever look at your plonks? People think you are an idiot, and for good reason.

#56 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-11 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think he'll be remembered as being competent; Certainly not the Carter of the Coulter charicature. And an experiment unlikely to be repeated for a long while.
A lot of the arse rash about Trump is a distaste with his style. But he has done very little that Obama had not already charted a course to.
The biggest trick the democrats ever pulled was that Obama was a liberal. Kinda like Blair was "Labour".

#57 | Posted by tunde at 2017-10-11 07:23 PM | Reply

#55

Both were finally identified by CrowdStrike in May 2016. Both groups of intruders were successfully expelled from the DNC systems within hours after detection. These attacks are considered to be part of a group of recent attacks targeting U.S. government departments and several political organizations, including 2016 campaign organizations.

On July 22, 2016, a person or entity going by the moniker "Guccifer 2.0" claimed on a WordPress-hosted blog to have been acted alone in hacking the DNC. He also claimed to send significant amounts of stolen electronic DNC documents to WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks has not revealed the source for their leaked emails.[10] However, cybersecurity experts and firms, including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, and the editor for Ars Technica, have rejected the claims of "Guccifer 2.0" and have determined, on the basis of substantial evidence, that the cyberattacks were committed by two Russian state-sponsored groups (Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear).

So we agree it all happened on Obamas watch?

If we believe the other news and info (we should right?) apparently he did not do enough to stop it, hence the election is being investigated for Russian intrusion.

Speaks is right though had he done more the RNC would have flipped out!

Which did put Obama in an understandable quandary.

#58 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-10-11 07:41 PM | Reply

If we believe the other news and info (we should right?) apparently he did not do enough to stop it, hence the election is being investigated for Russian intrusion.

You do realize that the DNC is a private company that has nothing to do with the federal government, right? When did it become any President's personal responsibility to ensure that private companies can't be hacked? Unless you're making the case one of our federal agencies should be able to stop cyber-intrusions not related to actual governmental security needs, what exactly is your point? Did Obama squelch or thwart legislation that would have perhaps stopped what the Russians did to the DNC? Why is this even a germane topic at all?

#59 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-11 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#59 NW!

#60 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-11 08:12 PM | Reply

Couldn't even throw a baseball.
#5 | Posted by Sniper

The current coward in chief refused to even try.

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-11 08:26 PM | Reply

And an experiment unlikely to be repeated for a long while.
A lot of the arse rash about Trump is a distaste with his style. But he has done very little that Obama had not already charted a course to.
The biggest trick the democrats ever pulled was that Obama was a liberal. Kinda like Blair was "Labour".

#57 | Posted by tunde

What was the experiment? Electing a minority? That's super racist sounding. As if white leadership is the natural order, and anything else

Obama took major steps to protect the environment, trump is taking major steps to destroy it. If that seems like very little difference to you, then go swim in a stream that coal companies are now allowed to dump waste into, thanks to trump.

Then there's the example that he sets for kids. Obama showed poor minority kids that if they work hard they could accomplish anything. Trump shows kids that the key to success is being arrogant, ignorant, and cruel.

Then there's how we look in the eyes of the world. Electing trump makes america look dumb as hell. And we are. Or at least enough people are to decide the presidency. Trump is a temporary problem. The morons that elected him are a terminal illness.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Obama is a better person and was a better President than Trump can ever hope to be. But Obama's carefully managed image and real priorities reveal two very different persons.

Obama has more credibility and responsibility to oppose Trump's agenda. An agenda which is dismantling his legacy. Instead what is he doing? Obama is collecting hundreds of millions giving speeches around the county and around the world, talking more hope and change but doing nothing about it. Barrack also has a $30 million book deal with Michelle also planning one as they cavort with the 1%.

Meanwhile, down at the grassroots level, where people live, work and raise their families, tens of millions are without living wages or health insurance. Underemployment and people dropping out of the labor market in frustration over their rejected skills, mask what is in reality a deceptively low unemployment rate, with poverty indicators everywhere.

It doesn't matter whether you're talking about a politician, an entertainment mogul, a corporate CEO or a police officer: give any one person (or government agency) too much power and allow him or her or it to believe that they are entitled, untouchable and will not be held accountable for their actions, and those powers will eventually be abused.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, it takes a culture of entitlement and a nation of compliant, willfully ignorant, politically divided citizens to provide the foundations of tyranny.

Contrast these behaviors with concert goers who protected their loved ones with their own bodies. We are tolerating an oligarchy in which a powerful, elite group of wealthy donors are calling the shots. This culture of compliance must stop. It will not stop without widespread civil disobedience, acts which put our very lives on the line, given the technologies put in place to quell civil unrest.

#63 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-12 07:36 AM | Reply

Obama is collecting hundreds of millions giving speeches around the county and around the world, - Bayviking

I know he nabbed $400k for one speech. Assuming every speech he's given since departing was that high (doubtful) he'd have to have given 25 speeches since the end of January to have hit $100 million. I don't think he's given that many speeches and I don't think every speech he's given has raked in $400k - most speeches are probably in the 200-250k range.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-12 09:01 AM | Reply

Trump in 8 months already has more scandals and screwups than obama did in 8 years.

#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-10-10 09:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Yup.

Where is the congressional investigation into four dead soldiers in Niger? Surely Benghazzi was not just partisan hackery was it?

Why Blotus hasn't even mentioned their deaths in between his bloviating about the flag, NFL and censoring the news.

#65 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-12 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama is collecting hundreds of millions giving speeches around the county and around the world

That's what successful ex-presidents do. Otherwise they charge veterans groups $100K to come speak about the terrible wounds the vets have from the needless war they started.

#66 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-12 09:34 AM | Reply

Obama is collecting hundreds of millions giving speeches around the county and around the world

That's what successful ex-presidents do. Otherwise they charge veterans groups $100K to come speak about the terrible wounds the vets have from the needless war they started.

#66 | Posted by 726

They don't get paid by the bankers and plutocrats unless they served the bankers and plutocrats, which obama did.

In fact, he served them so much, that he made the democrats look just like the republicans, which made a lot of people give up on the dems and vote for trump.

If obama had fought the plutocrats like the campaigned he would, then there would be no president trump. He disappointed a lot of people, who gave up on the dems because obama showed the party of the little guy still prioritizes the big guys.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 01:09 PM | Reply

#67

If only Obama had brought his Green Lantern ring with him to the White House....

www.vox.com

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-12 01:40 PM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY CORKY

Trump says the Yellow Lanterns are no different than the Green Lantern Corp. Fine people on both sides.

#69 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-12 01:45 PM | Reply

www.vox.com

#68 | Posted by Corky

Haha yeah, obama HAD to take money from the bankers and let them get away with crashing the economy!

Just like Hillary HAD to pick another banker puppet to run as her VP.

It's not THEIR fault they sold us out, it's um...umm.. Bernie's fault.. or something. Maybe putin?

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 01:45 PM | Reply

Who'd Trump pick?
Bunch of Goldman guys.

I think you just don't like the world you live in. And women.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 01:47 PM | Reply

Who'd Trump pick?
Bunch of Goldman guys.

I think you just don't like the world you live in. And women.

#71 | Posted by snoofy

Trump got elected paritally by slamming goldman sachs and their political power. And it worked because people were sick of seeing the people's party sell out to the bankers.

Liberals saying that selling out to bankers is just "the way of the world we live in" is why republicans are kicking dems asses nationwide.

As for women, if hillary had picked elizabeth warren as VP, she might be president now.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 02:07 PM | Reply

- Liberals saying that selling out to bankers is just "the way of the world we live in" is why republicans are kicking dems asses nationwide.

ha! As if Republicans are concerned about, "selling to to bankers".

That's just more naive projection on your part.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-12 02:56 PM | Reply

He didn't say they are concerned about it.

Just that they're willing to lie to their base about it to win.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-12 03:05 PM | Reply

As if Republicans are concerned about, "selling to to bankers".

That's just more naive projection on your part.

#73 | Posted by Corky

No republicans aren't concerned about that. Taking care of the plutocrats is their platform.

The dems are supposed to offer an ALTERNATIVE. Not say "well i guess it's just the way of the world! The bankers own us all and no one can do anyhting about it! But we still want the votes of the working class so please ignore our wall street puppetmasters!"

If you find yourself saying "well repubs do it too!" then you need to make radical change.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:14 PM | Reply

#75

You are the only one who said that.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-12 09:17 PM | Reply

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