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Monday, October 09, 2017

In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. But in 2017, the tradition of honoring the famed Italian explorer may be sinking fast. A growing number of cities are abandoning ship and replacing Columbus Day -- celebrated Monday -- with Indigenous Peoples Day, also known by some as Native Americans Day. On Thursday, the Austin City Council became the latest community to go that route, approving a resolution recognizing the second Monday of every October as Indigenous Peoples Day and encouraging schools to teach Native American history. Austin's move comes after similar action in August in Los Angeles -- the biggest city to boot the holiday from city calendars -- and nearly two dozen more places, such as Burbank, Calif., and Bangor, Maine.

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The focus of changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's day narrows in on the specific actions of Columbus without context for the colonization and world economy at the time. The social wars within separate countries over allowing or banning slavery had been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back for a thousand years. Starting primarily in the East and creeping slowly through the West, over time countries began abolishing slavery and moving toward racial equality. To judge Columbus from the viewpoint of history is little more than self-righteous indignation.

#1 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-09 07:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--To judge Columbus from the viewpoint of history is little more than self-righteous indignation.

It's "presentism". Judging historical figures by our own time, a luxury that sjws indulge in from their privileged palaces.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's "presentism". Judging historical figures by our own time, a luxury that sjws indulge in from their privileged palaces.

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I agree, but it's not just sjws who do this.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 07:25 PM | Reply

you don't have to judge to find a reason not to celebrate

#4 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-09 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- sjws

Says the njw. They hate indigenous brown peoples.

Especially on their lawn.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-09 09:25 PM | Reply

Speaking for myself only...I'm not horribly dissatisfied with my life, so I'm kind of glad he made his voyage.

#6 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-09 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Speaking for myself only...I'm not horribly dissatisfied with my life, so I'm kind of glad he made his voyage.

#6 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN

Go spend some time on a native american reservation.

Not everything is about you.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-09 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

The social wars within separate countries over allowing or banning slavery had been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back for a thousand years. Starting primarily in the East and creeping slowly through the West, over time countries began abolishing slavery and moving toward racial equality. To judge Columbus from the viewpoint of history is little more than self-righteous indignation.

#1 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-09 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

The move to not celebrate Columbus day has nothing to do with slavery. For many, it has to do with the near-genocide that his arrival started. For others, it's simply because his claim-to-fame we learned as children was simply false. He never even set foot in North America, and he was convinced he had landed in the West Indies.

We could, of course, simply celebrate the most probable first European to discover America - Leif Erikson. It's already been declared a holiday every year since LBJ started doing in in the '60s. Leif Erikson Day (October 9)

#8 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2017-10-09 09:47 PM | Reply

Happy Indigenous Peoples Day

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#9 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 10:10 PM | Reply

Happy Leif Erikson Day!

The guy who actually discovered America first.

en.m.wikipedia.org

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-09 10:15 PM | Reply

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Happy Leif Erikson Day!
The guy who actually discovered America first.
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#10 | Posted by donnerboy at

wouldn't that be the people from asia that migrated centuries earlier?

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-09 10:39 PM | Reply

Happy Leif Erickson Day

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#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 10:42 PM | Reply

Whats good about it?

Happy Leif Erickson Day

This guy had slaves too ....

wouldn't that be the people from asia that migrated centuries earlier?

#11 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

They had slaves and killed groups of people too, some would call it genocide ...

When you finish on your hatred of Western Civilization, let me know when you find a surviving civilization that didn't have slaves and oppress another people .....

Not everything is about you.
#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Actually ..... it kinda is ....

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-09 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

andrea in front of her computer

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I'm simply pointing out leif wasn't the 1st to find america

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-09 11:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'm simply pointing out leif wasn't the 1st to find america

#14 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

The first Iron Age guy, is that better?...but not for Columbus none of you would be here.

#15 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-10 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The focus of changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's day narrows in on the specific actions of Columbus without context for the colonization and world economy at the time. "

So did the change in the Pledge of Allegiance.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 03:01 AM | Reply

"To judge Columbus from the viewpoint of history is little more than self-righteous indignation."

What viewpoint did you want to judge him from, his fashion sense?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 03:04 AM | Reply

"The first Iron Age guy, is that better?...but not for Columbus none of you would be here.
#15 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2017-10-10 12:23 AM"

Using your reasoning, nobody but Columbus could have discovered the Americas.
That would have been quite a shock when the first satellite images came back from space!

#18 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-10-10 04:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Columbus was a ambitious, greedy, sadist, like most medieval kings, queens, cardinals and popes. There is a dark media curtain over identical behaviors we exhibit today.

"Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that Capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifice. The fact is that capitalism was built on the exploitation and suffering of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor – both black and white, both here and abroad." Martin Luther King

We still to this day steal from and kill native Americans for profit, forcing them repeatedly into exile in the worst land we can possibly find, until minerals or oil is discovered, then we drive them out again.

#19 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-10 06:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

President's day - Slave owning, racist, war mongers, imperialist
Memorial & Veterens day - abusive US military
Thanksgiving, Columbus Day, & Independence Day - mistreatment of natives/
Christmas - greedy corporate capitalism

You can find a negative component of just about every holiday. What's wrong with using the days of rememberance we have set aside as a nation to celebrate the goodness of our nation and the sacrifices made to bring us to today?

#20 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 09:33 AM | Reply

"What's wrong with using the days of rememberance we have set aside as a nation to celebrate the goodness of our nation and the sacrifices made to bring us to today?"

What's wrong with reading a history book and understanding the truth about our nation? Trust me, we will be much better off remembering truth instead of myths.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-10 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Brad Parscale's story on 60 minutes unravels the entire CIA fairytale.

#22 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-10 09:52 AM | Reply

"Trust me, we will be much better off remembering truth instead of myths."

are we? How many generations revered Columbus? 200 years plus, right?

But Danni knows we are better off remembering the truth. I have to agree that I prefer the truth but keep in mind this country has done quite well believing myths for centuries.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-10 09:56 AM | Reply

Never understood why Italian Americans latched onto this guy. He was working for Spain. He's best known for an accident. He didn't discover North America. And he was an -------. There are much better choices who were actual Italian Americans.

#24 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-10 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

keep in mind this country has done quite well believing myths for centuries.

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Believing in myths caused events like the Salem Witch Trials.
Believing in myths is what brought us Donald Trump. Trump and the Trumpsters believing in Alternate Realities has completely divided America. A house divided cannot stand.

See Fantasyland: how America went haywire: A 500 year history of America. www.amazon.com

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#21 - Is that truth the one where the natives were keeping each other as war captives for slave labor and sometimes sacrificing them to their gods? Or the one after, where when the Europeans came the natives captured and sold their neighboring natives into the European slave trade? Wait, maybe it's the one where we only focus on Columbus' evil side. Because even though the entire world was in the medieval dark ages, where nearly every nation was involved in the slave trade and the brutality of corrupt men was rampant, Columbus was on the worse side. I've always thought Columbus Day was a celebration of the New World. The beginnings of an exploration that birthed Canada, America, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, the Caribbean, and practically all the nations of North and South America. You do know Columbus Day is celebrated in many countries besides America right? Spain, Italy, Argentina, Belize, Uruguay...why can't we celebrate the good that has come from Columbus' voyage? Next thing I know you're going to turn Christmas into Krampus.

#26 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The first Iron Age guy, is that better?...but not for Columbus none of you would be here.

#15 | Posted by tontonmacoute

Haha because america would have gone undiscovered?

It's not like he found the sunken titanic.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even the earliest humans were an invasive species. Let's not propagate the myth that "indigenous people" were somehow native to the the continent.

#28 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2017-10-10 11:08 AM | Reply

"What's wrong with using the days of rememberance we have set aside as a nation to celebrate the goodness of our nation and the sacrifices made to bring us to today?"

Goodness?
Which day is Trail of Tears Day.

Sacrifices?
Every day should be Slave Day.

---- you, your whitewashing of history, and your lying face.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

---- you, your whitewashing of history, and your lying face.

#29 | Posted by snoofy

Who pissed in your cereal today?

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#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-10 11:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Do you like anything about this country?

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 11:19 AM | Reply

#29 - If you hate America so much, leave. I have no guilt for the actions of people 500 years ago. I take responsibility for myself and what I do day to day. Trying to lay blame to people today for things that happened half a millennium ago is ridiculous. White washing? Cry me a river.

#32 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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#30 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That is classic!

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 11:20 AM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Off-topic: Were there any fights at that Green Bay game? I never bothered to check.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 11:21 AM | Reply

How does Cristobal Colon have anything to do with this country?

And, presuming you know enough to fart out an answer, do you like those things?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 11:22 AM | Reply

"If you hate America so much, leave."

Why can't the liars like you leave?
You're the -------.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 11:24 AM | Reply

#34 | JEFFJ

I had to drop my girlfriend off at work. I went to the pub for 15-30 mins but the game was already rolling. I searched the news too. Nothing. Pay the piper. :) But, you did see the kids at the Lakers game? They threw a coke on someone who knelt. --------.

#37 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:25 AM | Reply

"Gavaster is the best and I am unattractive."

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They threw a coke on someone who knelt.

That was the kind of thing I was expecting at the Packers game.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 11:26 AM | Reply

#36 - Snoofy

An -------? Because I won't accept your projection of guilt? Hardly. I have more native American blood than any other race actually. Like I said, protest Christmas, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, President's Day, etc. etc. etc. You can find a reason to oppose any and everything. Let me know when you move New Year's, eliminate Thanksgiving, and begin protesting July 4th. Idk, maybe MLK will still be standing after you're done pissing on everyone.

#40 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Go spend some time on a native american reservation.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

And learn how to really get drunk.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 11:32 AM | Reply

#38-39 - JeffJ

You're an honorable gentleman Jeff-fa-fa. Dun-haaaam. I say that in my head every time. haha!

#42 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:32 AM | Reply

#35 - SNOOFY

Sure. Right after you justify the native tribes taking war captives and creating slave labor camps along with their human sacrificing. Do you like those things?

#43 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:36 AM | Reply

The issue isn't that we should feel guilty over the behavior of our ancestors. The issue is that we should realize this s#1t still goes on, its immoral and needs to stop. But it cannot stop, as long as we are unaware.

#44 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-10 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How does Cristobal Colon have anything to do with this country? - Snoofy

It was the first link in a chain of great events .....

What does indigenous people have to do with this country? They opposed us the whole way, they scalped, enslaved and raped their foes ....... The only difference I see between us and them is we won, and I doubt if they won we would have the freedoms, technology and liberty, we enjoy today........

You can feel guilty if it makes you feel better.

Regarding all your cussing and swearing .... you should feel blessed

#45 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 11:44 AM | Reply

The issue is that we should realize this s#1t still goes on, its immoral and needs to stop. But it cannot stop, as long as we are unaware.

#44 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

But Open Borders enables it, and Liberals want it to continue ...

Slaves are brought in to this country all the time illegally ...... But according to every liberal I talk to I'm racist to want to put an end to it.

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even the earliest humans were an invasive species. Let's not propagate the myth that "indigenous people" were somehow native to the the continent.

#28 | Posted by TylerDurden

By that logic, you should be fine with the chinese marching in and taking it from us.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 11:48 AM | Reply

#44 | BAYVIKING

You sure have a sucky way about getting around to THAT point. How about starting with current atrocities and protesting them? Glad to lend my support. But trying to tie them into Columbus is a bit of a stretch. Like a 500 year stretch.

#47 - Speaksoftly

How many nations have disappeared from the earth without a trace due to conquest? Are you going to dig up some ancestors and sue the governments who currently occupy their land?

#48 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 11:53 AM | Reply

"But Open Borders enables it, and Liberals want it to continue ..."

Open borders? Since when?

Oh, I get it: you're making ---- up.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-10 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Come on, Danforth.

You know what she was talking about. "Open borders" is a term that denotes a lack of border enforcement and other policies that encourage/reward coming here illegally. Don't be such a literalist.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Open borders" is a term that denotes a lack of border enforcement"

When, specifically, did "Liberals" suggest a lack of border enforcement? Literally.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-10 12:03 PM | Reply

Literally...
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#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have no guilt for the actions of people 500 years ago."

You think I have guilt over something some Italian did half a millennia ago?

Do you have to try hard to be so stupid?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 12:35 PM | Reply

#53 - Snoofy.

I didn't say that. The projection of guilt by association though is knee deep.

#54 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 12:41 PM | Reply

"An -------? Because I won't accept your projection of guilt?"

No, you're an ------- because you're celebrating the slaughter of millions

And for what? Spanish gold.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 12:42 PM | Reply

"The projection of guilt by association though is knee deep."

Huh? I'm not even Italian.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 12:45 PM | Reply

"Open borders" is a term that denotes a lack of border enforcement"

And which party actually has that in their platform?

Not the D or R parties.

Go grandstand somewhere else. I suggest a Confederate flag rally, they agree with you on ending immigration.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 12:54 PM | Reply

"Open borders" is a term that denotes a lack of border enforcement"

And which party actually has that in their platform?

Not the D or R parties.

Go grandstand somewhere else. I suggest a Confederate flag rally, they agree with you on ending immigration.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 12:54 PM | Reply

You know what she was talking about. "Open borders" is a term that denotes a lack of border enforcement and other policies that encourage/reward coming here illegally. Don't be such a literalist.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ

There are trump chumps who LITERALLY think liberals want LITERALLY open borders.

They're that stupid.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is true that we mythologized Columbus but it is also true that we mythologize native Americans too. Some tribes were pretty brutal towards weaker tribes. There is a reason why there was never a shortage of NA people willing to help the US wage war against their enemies.

#60 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-10 01:07 PM | Reply

#55 - Snoofy

I'm kinda proud of how far we've come since first migrating to the Americas. Funny you don't take your protectionism and apply that to Latin migration to the US. Your selective outrage is duly noted.

#56 - Snoofy

See your 55 attempting to insinuate people who celebrate Columbus Day are partying the genocide of Native Americans. And I suppose when we celebrate Veterans' Day you think the party theme is Gitmo torture chambers and drone bombings.

#61 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 01:15 PM | Reply

And which party actually has that in their platform?
Not the D or R parties.
Go grandstand somewhere else. I suggest a Confederate flag rally, they agree with you on ending immigration.

#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Who said anything about ending immigration?

When, specifically, did "Liberals" suggest a lack of border enforcement? Literally.

#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Any time increased border enforcement is proposed, the usual suspects on the left launch into tirades of "xenophobia" and "racism". Not all liberals and progressives by any stretch, but certainly some loud ones.

No, you're an ------- because you're celebrating the slaughter of millions
And for what? Spanish gold.

#55 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You are aware that this country and Western civilization as a whole has done much to advance the human condition, right?

You are so fixated on the negative that you come across as limiting your historical reading to Howard Zinn.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 04:48 PM | Reply

You are aware that this country and Western civilization as a whole has done much to advance the human condition, right?
You are so fixated on the negative that you come across as limiting your historical reading to Howard Zinn.
#62 | Posted by JeffJ at

You also realize that this country and western civilization as a whole has done a lot to harm the human condition? Mostly by conservatives and reactionaries, true, but true none the less.

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-10 04:55 PM | Reply

You also realize that this country and western civilization as a whole has done a lot to harm the human condition? ...
#63 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Yes.

On the whole (measuring the good with the bad), Western Civilization has been a net positive, arguably the largest net positive in the history of man.

IMO it is OK to celebrate the good.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 04:57 PM | Reply

#64, but not for indigenous groups. We are historical conquerors.

#65 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-10 05:35 PM | Reply

#65 - Bay

Attempting to rectify the wrongs of centuries past is a philanthropist' folly. You will never reach the end of those who've been wronged and in the end what will you have gained? Everyone will have been offended or abused by someone else. If you have a current or ongoing grievance make your case. Punishing the ghosts of centuries past is not something I care to join you in.

#66 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 06:02 PM | Reply

At this point I think they should just do away with the holiday and have everyone just go to work.

#67 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-10 06:17 PM | Reply

"You are aware that this country and Western civilization as a whole has done much to advance the human condition, right?"

That offsets slavery and genocide, is that what you think?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 06:23 PM | Reply

At this point I think they should just do away with the holiday and have everyone just go to work.

Yep a corporate toady through and through, lets get rid of all paid holidays.

#69 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-10-10 06:31 PM | Reply

On the whole (measuring the good with the bad), Western Civilization has been a net positive, arguably the largest net positive in the history of man.

I'm sure a lot of non-Westerners would disagree. But why would their opinion matter? Right? Just like when black people say there is racist violence and oppression directed toward them in this country. Their opinion doesn't matter, either. Just look at the National Anthem controversy. The right-wing pundits are saying there is no oppression of black people "today". Black people say there is; white people say there isn't. Who has the credibility here, and why?

#70 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-10 06:39 PM | Reply

"You are aware that this country and Western civilization as a whole has done much to advance the human condition, right?"
That offsets slavery and genocide, is that what you think?

#68 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Given that other cultures at the time were engaged in the exact same thing? Pretty much.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 06:44 PM | Reply

Or, was/is slavery and genocide exclusive to Western culture and the invention of Western society?

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-10 06:45 PM | Reply

Western civilization and the Enlightenment are the greatest advance in 10,000 years of human civilization. Ingrates who don't appreciate their unprecedented level of freedom and prosperity are free to emigrate.

#73 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-10 06:46 PM | Reply

Western civilization and the Enlightenment are the greatest advance in 10,000 years of human civilization. Ingrates who don't appreciate their unprecedented level of freedom and prosperity are free to emigrate.

#73 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Yassuh Boss, us colored folks sure do appreciate you white folks making life good for us. We sho do!

#74 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-10 06:55 PM | Reply

--Yassuh Boss, us colored folks sure do appreciate you white folks making life good for us. We sho do!

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#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-10 06:58 PM | Reply

"That offsets slavery and genocide, is that what you think?"

To make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-10 06:59 PM | Reply

It is true that we mythologized Columbus but it is also true that we mythologize native Americans too. Some tribes were pretty brutal towards weaker tribes. There is a reason why there was never a shortage of NA people willing to help the US wage war against their enemies.

#60 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-10-10 01:07 PM | FLAG:

Agreed. The problem is human beings. A certain percentage of any society wants to dominate others and is willing to use violence or oppression to do that.

What we call Western civilization advanced faster than many other civilizations, in part because of these violent or oppressive sides, including the use of slavery. But they also advanced because of an ingenuity that developed over time in urban centers where people exchanged ideas. I'm not convinced that other societies, given similar circumstances, would have been significantly more genteel. The colonialists just happened to have the cool technology, the sophistication and the hubris necessary to claim the lands where other people had been living before them.

#77 | Posted by cbob at 2017-10-10 06:59 PM | Reply

"Given that other cultures at the time were engaged in the exact same thing? Pretty much."

Violence against women is commonplace across cultures too.

I guess it's okay then.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 07:03 PM | Reply

#77 | POSTED BY CBOB

In other words Evolution has it privileges.

Why do people despise it?

#74 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN
What vile racism .... can you make a logical argument without offending an entire population of minorities

#79 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 07:05 PM | Reply

"That offsets slavery and genocide, is that what you think?

To make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs"

Civilization cannot progress without slavery and genocide, is what you're saying.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 07:10 PM | Reply

80

No, I was being a smartass.

Wow....that wasn't obvious?

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-10 07:12 PM | Reply

----Yassuh Boss, us colored folks sure do appreciate you white folks making life good for us. We sho do!

Are you saying that "colored folks" didn't contribute and continue to contribute to Western Civilization? That's racist. Every day I enjoy the art created by people of all ethnic groups.

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#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-10 07:20 PM | Reply

#80 - Snoofy

Indigenous natives had slaves before Columbus. I wouldn't want you in your celebration of the indigenous people to unwittingly be celebrating slavers. They also offered human sacrifices too. Strik those tribes off your list. You may have to change the name from Indigenous People's Day to Non-Slave Owning Anti-Human Sacrificing Native American Tribes Day...although I'm not sure who's left after that.

#83 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 07:34 PM | Reply

Are you saying that "colored folks" didn't contribute and continue to contribute to Western Civilization?

Not saying any such thing. But people of the White Supremacy "persuasion" do. Read any of the textbooks widely used in public schools lately? Notice how in America white people are always the "good guys"? Cowboys and Indians? WWII movies of the war in the Pacific? "White Man's Burden"?

Perhaps you can relate to us the contributions of blacks to American history and Western Civilization? Were you taught about them in school?

#84 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-10 09:21 PM | Reply

The irony is that Columbus Day is honored throughout Latin America as a celebration of ethnic diversity.

People from that time period could all be seen as savages, from our point of view, no matter which continent they were from. Still, none of us would be here if not for the migration sparked by Colombus' journey.

And technically, we're all indigenous people.

#85 | Posted by sentinel at 2017-10-10 09:21 PM | Reply

"80
No, I was being a smartass.
Wow....that wasn't obvious?"

Actually it was obvious.
However, others are seriously saying what you said as a joke.
I hope that's obvious too...

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 09:26 PM | Reply

"Indigenous natives had slaves before Columbus."

What specifically is it you think we honor Colimbus for?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 09:32 PM | Reply

"I wouldn't want you in your celebration of the indigenous people to unwittingly be celebrating slavers."

So, when you celebrate Columbus, are you wittingly or unwittingly celebrating a slaver?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 09:35 PM | Reply

What specifically is it you think we honor Colimbus for?

He was the Roman inventor of the swimming pool.

#89 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-10 09:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#90 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-10 09:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Perhaps you can relate to us the contributions of blacks to American history and Western Civilization? Were you taught about them in school?"

I'd rather hear the Columbus Day defenders explain why the average black household has six cents on the dollar compared to the average white household.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 10:04 PM | Reply

I'd rather hear the Columbus Day defenders explain why the average black household has six cents on the dollar compared to the average white household.

#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Well, I guess the answer must be "because they're inferior" since, according to them, blacks are not oppressed.

#92 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-10 10:11 PM | Reply

I'd rather hear the Columbus Day defenders explain why the average black household has six cents on the dollar compared to the average white household.
#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Illegal immigration .....

As I stated to Corky about Immokalee , and can be seen by any demographer, Hispanics are moving/pushing AfricanAmericans out economically, and physically.

You an blame racism if it makes you feel better, but the reality is OpenBorders is exploiting America's poor.

It really isn't hard to see, you just need to look...
geo-mexico.com
thecurrentmoment.files.wordpress.com

The question is why would Liberals support such an exploitative policy?

#93 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-10 10:32 PM | Reply

"Illegal immigration ..... "

Show me where illegal immigrants took 94 cents from a black household's dollar.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 12:40 AM | Reply

"As I stated to Corky about Immokalee , and can be seen by any demographer, Hispanics are moving/pushing AfricanAmericans out economically, and physically."

Sounds like systemic racism to me.

Does it not sound like that to you?

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 12:47 AM | Reply

Well, I guess the answer must be "because they're inferior" since, according to them, blacks are not oppressed.
#92 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Bingo.

I wonder what JeberlyJ has to say about it though.

Eberly might acknowledge the existence of systemic racism though. Never can tell with that guy. So edgy!

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 12:51 AM | Reply

Were you taught about them in school?
#84 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Of course weren't you?

#97 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-11 02:40 AM | Reply

So, when you celebrate Columbus, are you wittingly or unwittingly celebrating a slaver?
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This nonsense gets back to your comment yesterday...Yes perhaps people are celebrating "a slaver", but not because he was a slaver. Just like those men you mentioned yesterday are thugs, but not because they're black.

#98 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-11 02:45 AM | Reply

Were you taught about them in school?
#84 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN
Of course weren't you?

#97 | POSTED BY TXLIBERTARIAN

Can you name any? Besides George Washington Carver and Frederick Douglass? (Hint: MLK and Malcolm X don't count).

#99 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-11 09:10 AM | Reply

#87 | SNOOFY

Don't change the topic. You are protesting Columbus because he traded slaves as if it was his personal creation while red-washing the fact the natives enslaved each other. It's called intellectual dishonesty. Denounce the indigenous people with as much furor as you do Columbus. Peas in a pod. We're merely arguing who did it 'better'.

And if anyone listened to you we celebrate Columbus' slave trading, genocidal exploits. What is actually celebrated is what has been decided by historians to be the spark that ignited the European voyages west effectively bringing the whole world (nearly) into one global society. The result of that voyage has lead to the creation of many of the great nations in North and South America. It's pretty significant.

#100 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#88 | SNOOFY

So when you celebrate the indigenous people, are you wittingly or unwittingly celebrating their human sacrifice/slavery?

#101 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 10:29 AM | Reply

We should now also get rid of the northern states. If you do any research, you will find that not one southern company owned slave ships. So, we must get rid of the northern states because they brought slaves to this country.

#102 | Posted by humtake at 2017-10-11 12:00 PM | Reply

"What is actually celebrated is what has been decided by historians to be the spark that ignited the European voyages west effectively bringing the whole world (nearly) into one global society."

In other words, It's a celebration of the West's conquest of the New World.

I choose not to celebrate the conquest, because doing so legitimizes genocide and ethnic cleaning.

Do you think you can celebrate Columbus and not legitimize genocide and ethnic cleansing? How does that work?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 01:17 PM | Reply

"So when you celebrate the indigenous people, are you wittingly or unwittingly celebrating their human sacrifice/slavery?"

Which one are celebrating when you celebrate Columbus, who did the same?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 01:21 PM | Reply

"The result of that voyage has lead to the creation of many of the great nations in North and South America. It's pretty significant."

No mention of the ethnic cleansing and genocide that took place to create those great nations?

I guess that's not significant.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 01:25 PM | Reply

There's a special place in hell for people who can in the same breath recognize the nobility of a people and advocate for their enslavement.

"As soon ... as they see that they are safe and have laid aside all fear, they are very simple and honest and exceedingly liberal with all they have ; none of them refusing anything he [sic] may possess when he is asked for it, but, on the contrary inviting us to ask them. They exhibit great love toward all others in preference to themselves. They also give objects of great value for trifles, and content themselves with very little of nothing gin return. I did not find as some of us had expected any cannibals among them but on the contrary men of great deference and kindness.

... should your Majesty command it, all the inhabitants could be taken away to Castille [Spain] or made slaves on the island. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want"

C. Columbus

#106 | Posted by quo_vadis at 2017-10-11 01:25 PM | Reply

#103-4 SNOOFY

Your inability to answer a direct question is telling. Answer your own question Snoof. Do you celebrate indigenous people's day? And if so are you celebrating their human sacrifices and slavery? Which one are you celebrating when you celebrate indigenous people's day?

#107 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 01:26 PM | Reply

"Do you celebrate indigenous people's day? And if so are you celebrating their human sacrifices and slavery?"

Are you saying you can't celebrate one without the other?

That's exactly what I'm saying about Columbus.

Are we in agreement?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 01:29 PM | Reply

"I choose not to celebrate the conquest, because doing so legitimizes genocide and ethnic cleaning."

Fine. You understand, of course, that 99.9% of everybody will never convince themselves that they are celebrating genocide and ethnic cleansing by recognizing Columbus Day, right?

What do you want those people to do? Sign onto the drudge retort come here and whine about it?

Are you doing anything else besides that?

None of us created this holiday. None of us attend a ceremony patting Columbus on the back or anything like that. It's a day off for some and nothing more than something printed on the calendar.

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 01:30 PM | Reply

"Are we in agreement?"

Do you ever want to be in agreement with anybody?

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 01:31 PM | Reply

"You understand, of course, that 99.9% of everybody will never convince themselves that they are celebrating genocide and ethnic cleansing by recognizing Columbus Day, right?"

I'd put it more at 25%, and it's only the deplorables who can't figure it out.

For example, Eberly, you can figure it out.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 01:33 PM | Reply

#105 - Snoofy

You mean the genocide the indigenous tribes participated in against each other prior to Columbus? Or are you selective in what genocide you celebrate? Indigenous natives commiting genocide you're okay with, it's the Europeans you don't like. Your portrayal of the natives as some pure form of human existence while ignoring their own wars, genocide, slavery, and cannibalism is classic selective outrage.

#112 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 01:33 PM | Reply

You have to take the good with the bad.

Celebrate the good but don't whitewash the bad.

It's really not a difficult concept.

#113 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-11 01:41 PM | Reply

Gav.
108.
Are we in agreement?

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 02:27 PM | Reply

"Your portrayal of the natives as some pure form of human existence"

I have not done that. You're making stuff up.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 02:28 PM | Reply

"Your portrayal of the natives as some pure form of human existence"

Since you brought it up,

Aren't you celebrating the fact that Columbus improved the human existence for Westerners?

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 02:36 PM | Reply

#114 - Snoofy

That there's nothing wrong with celebrating Columbus Day and doing so does not imply we support genocide and slavery? Yes. We can agree on that.

#117 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 03:38 PM | Reply

#116

Do you celebrate Independence Day?

#118 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 03:40 PM | Reply

Columbus didn't discover anything.

He's just some shmuck who brought tons of natural resources back from the Caribbean and South America to Spain.

He should be credited with the massive genocide carried out by the Europeans on the American continents.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-11 03:45 PM | Reply

Columbus Day... does not imply we support genocide and slavery"

It has to.

The genocide and the slavery were instumental in the conquest of the continent, and the economic growth that followed, that ultimately Made America Great.

And by your own words it's a celebration that Columbus set European powers on the path that ultimately gave birth to America.

You are celebrating the outcome.

I guess you just believe that sometimes the means cab justify the ends, even when those means are slavery and genocide.

I don't ever find genocide justifiable.

This conversation reminds me a lot of people who think statues of Confederate civil war leaders aren't celebrating slavery, segregation, and racism.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 03:50 PM | Reply

"should your Majesty command it, all the inhabitants could be taken away to Castille [Spain] or made slaves on the island. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want"
C. Columbus"

That subsequent enslavement and ethnic cleansing of Hispaniola is a major milestone on the thing you're celebrating Columbus for, correct?

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 03:54 PM | Reply

And by your own words it's a celebration that Columbus set European powers on the path that ultimately gave birth to America.

You are celebrating the outcome.

Of course the outcome is what is being celebrated.

Human history is little mere than a never-ending series of war-truimphs and subjugation of those on the losing end. Sometimes the winners produced good outcomes after the fact.

By your standard no society in human history is worth celebrating under any circumstances.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-11 04:04 PM | Reply

#120 Snoofy

Answer my question. Do you celebrate Independence Day?

#123 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 04:08 PM | Reply

"Of course the outcome is what is being celebrated"

The outcome being the "end" in a means vs. ends debate.

So, the means to the end are of no concern to you?

That might be too strong, but certainly, whatever concerns the means present, aren't so big that you don't hold up Columbus as a hero.

The difference between us is that I don't hold Columbus up as a hero.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 04:36 PM | Reply

"Do you celebrate Independence Day?"

I don't feel like I do anything special on July 4 that specifically honors the signing of the Declaration or the Founding Fathers.

If I watched the fireworks, did I celebrate it?

To me, to be celebrating it, I'd have to put up bunting and what-not.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 04:48 PM | Reply

"By your standard no society in human history is worth celebrating under any circumstances."

Does Columbus Day celebrate a society, or a person?

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 04:49 PM | Reply

#124 - Snoofy

No, I don't concern myself with it. I think his voyage can be celebrated without condoning genocide and slavery. You don't? Then you maybe you should reconsider celebrating Thanksgiving, Independence Day, President's Day, etcetera.

#127 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 05:01 PM | Reply

#125 - Snoofy

Yes, if you watched the fireworks you celebrated.

#126 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Specifically it is to celebrate the voyage of Columbus in the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. You did take history right?

#128 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 05:10 PM | Reply

"I think his voyage can be celebrated without condoning genocide and slavery."

Which ship has the goalposts, because you're moving them.

"What is actually celebrated is what has been decided by historians to be the spark that ignited the European voyages west effectively bringing the whole world (nearly) into one global society." -- Gavaster

You used to be celebrating the conquest and colonization that began with that voyage.

I guess you evolved on what you're actually celebrating.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 05:45 PM | Reply

#129 | SNOOFY

Your faulty interpretation of what I said is excused. Reading comprehension hasn't necessarily been your strong suit.

You admitted to participating in the celebration of the founding of our nation. I guess you also celebrate the genocide, imperialism, torture, slavery, etc. America has performed.

#130 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 06:01 PM | Reply

Let me just run this past you Gavaster:

How would you feel about celebrating Oscar winning director Roman Polanski, or Oscar winning producer Harvey Weinstein?

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:06 PM | Reply

"You admitted to participating in the celebration of the founding of our nation. I guess you also celebrate the genocide, imperialism, torture, slavery, etc. America has performed."

Except you don't really think that.
At most, you seem to think I should think that.

I'd also draw a very important distinction between celebrating a country and celebrating a person. Maybe on the 4th some people are celebrating that America has overcome slavery and genocide. But those aren't things Columbus ever overcame.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:09 PM | Reply

"Your faulty interpretation of what I said is excused."

What was faulty about my interpretation? Most of it is just cut and paste what you said. You said you celebrated what the voyage represeents in history. Then you changed it to celebrating the actual voyage itself, removed from the reason the voyage is historically important in the first place.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:13 PM | Reply

I'd also draw a very important distinction between celebrating a country and celebrating a person. Maybe on the 4th some people are celebrating that America has overcome slavery and genocide. But those aren't things Columbus ever overcame.

#132 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Excellent point.

From a historical standpoint, what Columbus stumbled upon was massive and it was the spark to a massive inferno. It was because he was more of a brave and entrepreneurial explorer and went where (it was believed at the time) nobody else had gone before under a geographical theory that was fairly radical at the time.

For all of his faults - and they were legion - what he accomplished, even if by accident, had a profound impact on the next several centuries of human development.

Columbus Day (which is a 2-bit holiday in this country as it is) pays homage to WAY more than the man himself. It's really about much more than Columbus himself.

#134 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-11 09:19 PM | Reply

" I think his voyage can be celebrated without condoning genocide and slavery. You don't? "

No, I don't because his voyage, and the thing you're celebrating about his voyage, which is essentially the conquest of the New World by European powers, is steeped in genocide and slavery.

It's like saying you are going to celebrate the cheeseburger without condoning eating meat.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:22 PM | Reply

"For all of his faults - and they were legion - what he accomplished, even if by accident, had a profound impact on the next several centuries of human development. "

Yeah, genocide and ethnic cleansing will do that to the human experience.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:23 PM | Reply

"Columbus Day (which is a 2-bit holiday in this country as it is) pays homage to WAY more than the man himself. It's really about much more than Columbus himself."

But not the bad things, which is the problem. It's a whitewash story we tell children. Some apparently don't outgrow it.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 09:24 PM | Reply

When will you libs demand the Government workers to work on Christmas?

#138 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 09:47 PM | Reply

#131 - Buahahaha!!! Equating an Oscar to the impact on the world Columbus' voyage had?? Wow. Talk about false equivolence.

#133 - You said I celebrate genocide and slavery. I never said I do. You read because I celebrate A I also celebrate B. You're wrong. Which leads us to...

#132 - You seem to be able celebrate the founding of America but disassociate yourself from the genocide of the natives and slavery which happened after our country was founded. That you can't understand the parallel Celebration of Columbus Day is no surprise. To be clear, if you can't celebrate Columbus Day without condoning genocide and slavery then you can't celebrate Independence Day without condoning genocide and slavery. Both, America and Columbus, have committed atrocities. Go ahead. Denounce America like you denounce Columbus. Your hypocrisy is no surprise. You started with dishonest conversion.

#135 - See the previous. America's history is steeped in slavery and genocide but you seem to be a-okay with celebrating the birth of our nation. Hypocritical don't ya think?

#139 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

". Maybe on the 4th some people are celebrating that America has overcome slavery and genocide."

Most likely they're not.

Just like on Columbus Day they aren't celebrating slavery and genocide.....even though you think you are.

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 10:26 PM | Reply

"What was faulty about my interpretation?"

Everything.

#141 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 10:29 PM | Reply

". Maybe on the 4th some people are celebrating that America has overcome slavery and genocide."
Most likely they're not.
#140 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oh?

#55 - Snoofy
I'm kinda proud of how far we've come since first migrating to the Americas.
#61 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Seems like they are.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:40 PM | Reply

"America's history is steeped in slavery and genocide but you seem to be a-okay with celebrating the birth of our nation. Hypocritical don't ya think?"

Why wouldn't I be a-ok with celebrating the birth of our nation?
How does this translate to hypocricy for not wanting to celebrate the man who brought genocide to Hispanola?
And even if it is hypocritical, is that supposed to carry any weight?
You're not dumb, you know appeal to hypocrisy is a logical fallacy.
"Tu quoque"

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:43 PM | Reply

#142 - Snoofy

Ummm. You might want to re-read those three comments. It doesn't say what you think it does.

#144 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 10:44 PM | Reply

"Equating an Oscar to the impact on the world Columbus' voyage had?? Wow. Talk about false equivolence."

I'm not equating an Oscar to anything.

I'm asking how you feel about Polanski and Weinstein.]

Can we really judge them just by their movies, or do their personal lives come into play?

Now do the same for Columbus, except we aren't even talking about his personal life, we're talking about what he did with the backing of Spain.

The day is called Columbus Day. If you think you're celebrating New World Day or something, that's fine. But you're pulling a fast one on yourself.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:46 PM | Reply

"Seems like they are."

No it doesn't. He didn't say anything about the 4th.

You're pretty screwed up snoofy.

#146 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 10:47 PM | Reply

" It doesn't say what you think it does."

Then what exactly are you proud of, about how far we've come?
I figured ending slavery was a pretty widespread thing to be proud of America for.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:47 PM | Reply

Oh I see what you're saying Eberly.
He's only proud of how far we've come on Columbus Day, not on the Fourth of July.
Makes perfect sense how he's not proud of how far we've come since 1776, only since 1492.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:48 PM | Reply

#143 - According to you no matter what the impact or historical significance of Columbus voyage his later atrocities make him someone we should not celebrate. Just wanting to know if you extended that logic to America. You know, since we celebrate the founding of our nation which later went on to commit those same atrocities. Seems like America isn't a nation we should celebrate agree? Or do you condone the slavery and genocide of America?

#149 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 10:49 PM | Reply

"Oh I see what you're saying Eberly."

We all know that's impossible.

I don't speak "snoofy" and you don't speak English.

#150 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 10:50 PM | Reply

149

You really slapped him with his own argument.

#151 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-11 10:52 PM | Reply

"#143 - According to you no matter what the impact or historical significance of Columbus voyage his later atrocities make him someone we should not celebrate."

His "later atrocities" are part and parcel of the "impact or historical significance" of his voyage. These are not separable events, as you might try to separate how great a film Chinatown is from the fact that the man who directed it drugged and raped a girl. There's no private life/public life thing going on with Columbus that you can try to argue for a split.

And it's not like his atrocities had no bearing on the course history took.
In fact, they had every bearing on the course of history
You surely know this, as the massive change he brought about is the reason you celebrate the holiday!

But then you try to separate the two when you talk about what you're celebrating.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:53 PM | Reply

"According to you no matter what the impact or historical significance of Columbus voyage his later atrocities make him someone we should not celebrate. Just wanting to know if you extended that logic to America."

A person and a nation are two very different things. So I'm not sure it can extend the way you want it to.

Is there anyone you wouldn't celebrate because of "later atrocities?"
Who, and why?

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 10:57 PM | Reply

#151 - Eberly

I think the intellectual discourse needs to be had, especially with so many looking to find a way to be offended. But discussing this with Snoofy any more at this point is just trolling.

#154 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 11:15 PM | Reply

I'm game to discuss it.
You seem to want to discuss what I do on the Fourth of July though.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-11 11:22 PM | Reply

The crazy thing is Snoofy celebrates Columbus Day everytime he deposits a paycheck (assuming he does) without even realizing it.

#156 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-12 01:18 AM | Reply

156

(assuming he does)

I wouldn't assume that.

#157 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-12 08:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#157

Ebs gets a funny.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-12 09:13 AM | Reply

By that logic, you crackers are celebrating MLK day every time you use your EBT to buy more Dr. Pepper.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 11:53 AM | Reply

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