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Tuesday, October 10, 2017

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Sunday any player who disrespects the flag will not play. Jones' comments, the strongest made on the anthem controversy, came after he was asked about Vice President Mike Pence leaving the game in Indianapolis early after several San Francisco 49ers players took a knee during the national anthem. "I know this, we cannot ... in the NFL in any way give the implication that we tolerate disrespecting the flag," he said following the Cowboys' 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "We know that there is a serious debate in this country about those issues, but there is no question in my mind that the National Football League and the Dallas Cowboys are going to stand up for the flag. So we're clear."

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SIT FOR THE GAME!!!

#1 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-09 05:45 PM | Reply

His business he gets to make the rules.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2017-10-09 09:00 PM | Reply

He's an enabler of domestic abuse. Has to do something to salvage his reputation.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For decades, I've read the accusation that "the left" hates America.

At least now they have the opportunity to really show it.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 05:39 AM | Reply

#4 - I would say you have that backward. I'm pretty sure the constitution says something about free speech. And as far as "His business he gets to make the rules", I agree, but lets see how well his business does if he is forced to sit a few of his star athletes.

#5 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-10-10 07:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"At least now they have the opportunity to really show it."

Taking a knee to protest police violence is actually loving America. It shows that they hope America can do better instead of just accepting the murders committed by police as you seem to.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-10 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Danni,

Well...you know good and well I don't approve of such violence.

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 09:50 AM | Reply

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

#8 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-10-10 10:57 AM | Reply

Ordering someone to honor the National Anthem treats the anthem like it is meaningless. Jerry Jones is disrespecting it and everything it is supposed to stand for.

Forced patriotism is a move right out of North Korea.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-10 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 11

"Well...you know good and well I don't approve of such violence."

Then what is wrong with taking a knee to bring attention to the problem? When everyone in the stadium does it then maybe it will dawn on our police that their violence needs to stop.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-10 11:07 AM | Reply

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His business he gets to make the rules.

#2 | Posted by sawdust

No one's going to pay to watch a bunch of greedy billionaires sit in luxury suites.

His players should kneel for freedom and justice and jerry should see how much money he makes without them.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 11:12 AM | Reply

For decades, I've read the accusation that "the left" hates America.

At least now they have the opportunity to really show it.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson

Just replace "America" with "police brutality and racism" and you'd be right.

Of course you're on the side of defending police brutality and racism.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is what you do when you can't win a game.

You try to win a popularity contest.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 11:18 AM | Reply

"For decades, I've read the accusation that "the left" hates America."

Where do you read that, "Low IQ Monthly?"

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-10 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

The national anthem, a celebration of the glory of war, death and destruction. The NFL and MLB only began including it at the beginning of every game when the military began paying them millions of dollars to include it as a recruiting tool. Under Trump, these fatcats, who can't compete with a Vietnamese or Afghan peasant, are on a path to our self destruction. Not to worry, they do it all for money. They are whores and traitors.

#15 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-10 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I still have to scratch my head over how simple the logic is but how difficult it is for Liberals to grasp. If I punch you in the face and say it is in protest of police brutality, then you are not allowed to be offended or hurt at all and you have to accept my form of protest. And before you go all stupid on me and say relating kneeling to punching isn't in the same ballpark, you have to realize that the severity of the protest isn't in question and nobody is offended by the form of protest. What's in question is the logic behind using a platform that is offensive to protest something that is also offensive. It's actually INCREDIBLY easy to understand yet so many Liberals can't, or just don't want to.

I really like how they have started allowing athletes to wear their messages. That's a great way to do it. Or raising a fist during the Anthem. Those are solid ways to protest and get a message across without offending a tradition that has been in place for decades as the chosen method to show respect and pride for country and sacrifice. Using a form of protest without offending the platform is great and very patriotic. Of course, there will always be a small group of people offended at everything but the Anthem tradition offends 30-50% of the entire country which is enough for anyone with an IQ over 10 to realize crosses the threshold of what is acceptable. Let me try to put it in a way Liberals can understand (it's hard to twist the logic like this but I think it will work)...let's say 10% of the population are part of LGBT. Those people have been so offended by our laws in the late 1900s that they rose up and made it better. 10% (even though the number is more like 5% if Google is anywhere close). Those 10% had enough of a voice to not only get people on their side but to also make incredible changes. Yet, now we have a situation in which the number of people offended is three or four times MORE than that. And you actually have the balls to say it's not a big deal???? That just screams "I want everything how I want it and I don't care about anyone else", which is supposed to be what Liberals fight against.

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2017-10-10 12:02 PM | Reply

"If I punch you in the face and say it is in protest of police brutality, then you are not allowed to be offended or hurt at all and you have to accept my form of protest"

Can you taste the stupid when you post something like that?

"Before you go all stupid on me and say relating kneeling to punching isn't in the same ballpark"

Not stupid at all. Stupid is you not knowing the difference between someone kneeling, which only affects you if you choose, and punching someone out of the blue.

"now we have a situation in which the number of people offended is three or four times MORE than that."

Great. So now you judge whether someone else is allowed free speech by the number of people you believe it offends.

Anything dumber to offer?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-10 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"Where do you read that, "Low IQ Monthly?"

Turns out it's a quarterly publication, but the subscribers haven't figured that out yet.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-10 12:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Where do you read that, "Low IQ Monthly?"
Turns out it's a quarterly publication, but the subscribers haven't figured that out yet.

#18 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Actually, it's biannual, so they keep looking in their ---.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-10-10 12:31 PM | Reply

After all the BS allegations righties love to toss out as deflections, we finally have proof of "Paid Protestors".

Turns out VP Pence and his wife are the only proven "paid protestors" we can point to.

Take a bow, Righties, you built that.

#20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-10-10 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 9

I still have to scratch my head over how simple the logic is but how difficult it is for Liberals to grasp. If I punch you in the face and say it is in protest of police brutality, then you are not allowed to be offended or hurt at all and you have to accept my form of protest.

#16 | Posted by humtake

I stopped reading after that.

If you have to equate kneeling with physical assault, you just proved you have no valid argument.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

In the locker room two weeks ago, the players told management that they wanted to make a statement in support of unity for racial equality as a team, and the agreed to do that by locking arms and kneeling prior to the anthem.

That seemed to werk for everyone, players and management. Then Jerrah was asked about Pence/Trump picking at the scab, and couldn't help himself from issuing a stupid and unnecessary word salad about the whole thing, including sounding tough on, "the flag".

Which I suspect was his way of calming down his rwing Texas fans who thought what the team did two weeks ago was too damn Commie.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-10 01:09 PM | Reply

It is very disappointing to see a man like Jerry Jones bending to right wing pressure. I suppose that as a Texas businessman it makes financial sense, but it is still disappointing.

#23 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-10 01:10 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

"I still have to scratch my head over how simple the logic is"

concerning....? if you consider it as a question, it answers itself

which is easier...deciding if we should do a pre-emptive strike on NK or if the flag
is disrespected by protesting, place and time not being a consideration

i'm not asking about repercussions, just the use of logic to determine what we should do

whose "logic" will we call on to help us decide

#24 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-10 01:48 PM | Reply

#23 | Posted by moder8

Or maybe he just believes people should stand for the anthem...

#25 | Posted by jwil72 at 2017-10-10 02:13 PM | Reply

Jerry bends over for Donald "I hate POWs" Trump. Sad!

And not a patriotic position to take or even close to one.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-10 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

This wasn't much of a big deal before Trump and Pence gave their ultimatums. How many players were taking a knee before Trump challenged everyone's free speech?

#27 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2017-10-10 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or maybe he just believes people should stand for the anthem...

#25 | Posted by jwil72

Sure. Respect the flag because youre such a patriot. Meanwhile support a con man controlled by our enemies as president because you want tax cuts.

Jones' patriotism is as shallow as his ethics when it comes to hiring players. He wants money. He knows if he can become the patriotic trump team, he'll make money from the same suckers who bought MAGA hats.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 02:39 PM | Reply

"Kneeling is a very sacred position. So to suggest that somehow when you kneel you're disrespecting anything is actually counterintuitive theologically."-Bishop William J. Barber, II

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-10-10 02:41 PM | Reply

Some of the kneeling players put their hands over their hearts; most face the flag. I don't know how that can be construed with disrespecting the flag, the military and our country in general.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-10 02:49 PM | Reply

#4 - I would say you have that backward. I'm pretty sure the constitution says something about free speech. And as far as "His business he gets to make the rules", I agree, but lets see how well his business does if he is forced to sit a few of his star athletes.

#5 | Posted by schmanch

With the nfl viewership down over 30% because of the player actions I guess we will see.

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 03:13 PM | Reply

The national anthem, a celebration of the glory of war, death and destruction.

#15 | Posted by bayviking

Is that what the war of 1812 was about or was it about the damn British trying one last time to take away our freedom?

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 03:16 PM | Reply

Turns out VP Pence and his wife are the only proven "paid protestors" we can point to.

Take a bow, Righties, you built that.

#20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

The players are playing for free? You are a funny sour old man.

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 03:18 PM | Reply

That seemed to werk for everyone, players and management. Then Jerrah was asked about Pence/Trump picking at the scab, and couldn't help himself from issuing a stupid and unnecessary word salad about the whole thing, including sounding tough on, "the flag".

Which I suspect was his way of calming down his rwing Texas fans who thought what the team did two weeks ago was too damn Commie.

#22 | Posted by Corky

Have you got that wrong.

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-10-10 03:20 PM | Reply

"With the nfl viewership down over 30% because of the player actions..." - #31 | Posted by snippy at 2017-10-10 03:13 PM

Do you have something to substantiate that?

Because it would have to be something that demonstrates that 30% drop in a matter of just a week or so.

And, for some reason, that's just not the case, snippy.

#35 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 03:21 PM | Reply

"The players are playing for free?" - #33 | Posted by snippy at 2017-10-10 03:18 PM

Obviously, OWS' point when right over your head.

Not surprisingly.

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My #36: "when over your head" should be "went right over your head."

#37 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 03:28 PM | Reply

Ordering someone to honor the National Anthem treats the anthem like it is meaningless. Jerry Jones is disrespecting it and everything it is supposed to stand for.
Forced patriotism is a move right out of North Korea.

#9 | POSTED BY RCADE

On the radio, he was basically saying he was flying air cover for players so they could say, "I can't kneel or I'll get benched." He was "taking his team" out of the debate.

Which really translates to: I don't want to lose fans.

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-10 04:13 PM | Reply

#38 - Also known as diplomacy. He has respect for the flag but understands and allows for protests against police brutality. JJ had the whole team on a knee locking arms. Doing it for money? Sure. But it's the best response I've seen that acknowledges the grievances of both parties. If you protest players taking a knee before the anthem then you need to check your motivations. Same goes for any player demanding to be allowed to protest during the anthem. You have free speech, but when you're on someone else's payroll, especially with the contracts these guys sign, that freedom is voluntarily restricted. What reason do you have for opposing JJ's stance?

#37 - Rcade

I would agree if the government was forcing people to stand. But this is a private contract between citizens where one has voluntarily given up his right to sit during the national image. Dallas Cowboys have a brand and an image of being America's football team. JJ is doing his best to stay true to that brand respect both sides. He even participated in the protest by taking a knee with his whole team. Let's say you work for an American flag company. They give you a huge platform to reach millions of customers and put you in the national spotlight during the anthem with TV crews rolling. How fast do you think you'll be fired if you kneel during the anthem? Would you have recourse if you were fired?

#39 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 04:58 PM | Reply

#37 - should have been #9*

#40 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 04:59 PM | Reply

Here's the deal folks. I don't get the right wingers can't see this. I guess it comes from an inability to put yourself in the shoes of others.

America has values stated in many place (such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) and believed in by most. If those values are not applied to all what does it matter? The flag is a mere bit of cloth and the national anthem is a song and only a song.

I know a few NFL and former NFL players as well as other athletes. I know where most of them around here came from - the ghetto. A place where they are oppressed by gangs and militant police tactics. I have witnessed both. No I am not saying all minorities are gang bangers or all police are militants. Not even close. What I do know is people have told me that "you do what you need to do to survive." Now these athletes that have chose to protest are people who have rose to national prominence in their sports. They have a platform to bring awareness and change for not only themselves but for those that they know and love. I personally feel their form of protest is both peaceful and respectful. One of our core values as Americans is the right to protest and protest itself IMHO. It was there from the very beginning. There is a little event everyone here should have call the Boston Tea Party if nothing else.

Seriously taking a knee is NOT disrespecting Vets. The flag is not a Vet. The Anthem is not a Vet. It has nothing to do with Vets. Who ever thought that is an idiot. Even Vets out there are not all in agreement - who made this about Vets? Oh ya... Never mind it was the right wing hate fest of course. It isn't like the 70's when protestors were spitting on Vets. THAT is disrespecting Vets. THAT is wrong.

I don't think it is even disrespecting the flag or the anthem. Honestly those are simply symbols of the ideals of this country and we are not living up to those ideals - the ones on paper mind you not the ones people make up in their heads. Besides, when you kneel before God in church - is that disrespecting God? I mean seriously when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect - oh ya, never mind I get it (sarcasm - it was when a black man did it to protest of course). It is calling attention to the situation many American's face. Now if they were to turn their back on the flag - that would be IMHO a deliberate show of disrespect vs a tasteful peaceful protest.

#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-10-10 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#41 - Gal

Agreed. 100%

#42 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 05:12 PM | Reply

#39 | Posted by gavaster

Huh - where does it say in their contracts they have to stand for the anthem? Or for that matter the penalty if they don't?

#43 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-10-10 05:13 PM | Reply

#43 - I wasn't quoting a player's contract. JJ seems to think the contract does give him that leeway. We'll see if a lawsuit is filed out of this controversy. When you are on the clock for someone else you often do have your free speech rights abridged by the contract you signed. If JJ's legal team can show where he has the right to require the players stand for the anthem, then they'll all stand. And it's not unreasonable or unpatriotic.

My point was about demanding the right to protest during the anthem while on the clock for someone else. JJ gave space and joined in the protest by taking a knee before the anthem. If you still rail against him because he's not letting the players protest when they want to protest your motivations and logic should probably be checked.

#44 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 05:31 PM | Reply

why does it need to be pointed out that our nation is not our military, it is not our flag, it is not our veterans.

Its greatness is (supposedly) derived from its people, you know the volunteers, the firefighters, the clergy (at least the good ones), our teachers, our scholars, our engineers and inventors, our philosophers, our reporters (the few good ones), our authors, our ideologists, our politicians (those few who actually serve), our public employees who devote their lives to public service, our revolutionaries, those who fight for the oppressed, our captains of industry, our entrepreneurs, all those great Americans that day to day strive to make our communities better places to live, to make society and the world a better, more free, more secure and more just place.

That is what America IS, you will find those on that list from both left, right and middle of the political spectrum.

That is why protesting by kneeling during the national anthem is not an insult to veterans or the military or the flag.

The flag SUPPOSEDLY represents us all. I honestly believe that the intent of the protest is to respectfully draw attention to an important issue-an ongoing injustice in our country. You can debate the magnitude or the causes all you want, that is helpful to resolving the issue, bringing it to light.

But it is absurd and insulting to American ideals to criticize or insult the manner of the protest. It is without doubt respectful. It is a small subtle act that's very embodiment is respectful. Kneeling is a way of honoring something. IN this case it is both honoring and drawing attention to a subject that America can and should do better with.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-10 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The "ideal" marriage proposal is for the man to get down on one knee and ask for his beloved's hand in marriage. Never once in the history of marriage proposals was taking a knee been considered a sign of disrespect. Just sayin'.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-10 05:44 PM | Reply

Humtake:

"I really like how they have started allowing athletes to wear their messages. That's a great way to do it. Or raising a fist during the Anthem. Those are solid ways to protest and get a message across without offending a tradition that has been in place for decades as the chosen method to show respect and pride for country and sacrifice."

you really need to educate yourself on what happened to Tommie Smith and John Carlos

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-10-10 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

was taking = has taking

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-10 05:45 PM | Reply

Only in wing ding land does kneeling during the national anthem show disrespect to our troops and the country.

Like so many things the wing dings say they just made that ---- up. Trump has had a lot of practice coordinating with the Russians using fake news to deflect and divide. So he is REALLY good at it. After all he apparently invented it!

And this is FAKE NEWS at it's finest.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 05:51 PM | Reply

#45 - Truthhurts

Who's the authority on who gets to be offended? I have some issues I'd like to complain about but I'd like to get permission before being offended. I'm not sure if I'm allowed or not.

#50 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 06:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Danni,

"Then what is wrong with taking a knee to bring attention to the problem?"

Because that is exactly what our enemies around the world love to see.

There are people on this planet who hate America for no other reason than we do live free and most of us aren't exactly starving.

Trump suggested standing arm in arm in protest.

Seriously, the smartest thing that could happen would be for people who kneeled to admit they were mistaken and that insulting America is the wrong way to go about doing it.

If they want to be taken seriously as Americans, then they need to act like Americans.

#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 06:31 PM | Reply

When is Sniper going to demand that Trump apologize to McCain and American POWs in general?

Oh right, he's not going to do that because his alleged respect for those who protect our freedom is fake news.

#52 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-10 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni,

Yes...the NFL players have every right to protest however they choose.

I haven't read where anyone is saying otherwise.

What people are not pleased with is their judgement and the choices they are making.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 06:38 PM | Reply

What people are not pleased with is their judgement and the choices they are making.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yes.

Protesting during a game shows awful lack of judgement and poor choices.

Just ask Vice President Pence (who, leading by example, spent 250,000 taxpayer dollars to stage a protest during a game).

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#51 - Bill

No one taking a knee needs to apologize for anything.

#55 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 06:45 PM | Reply

Gav,

I didn't quite say apologize.

What I said was admit it was a bad idea.

That's not exactly apologizing but it is saying they have reconsidered their decisions.

They may not actually regret having made the point but perhaps it's time to make peace and stand together.

(that IS what they want? Right? Sometimes I have my doubts)

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Gav,

But the opportunity is moving away fast.

Once the NFL owners play their hand, the game will be over.

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 06:53 PM | Reply

Gav,

Or perhaps not exactly a "bad idea" as I wrote, but most certainly admit it didn't have the effect they were after.

They need to go on the record as loving America before they are permanently branded.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 06:58 PM | Reply

#56 - BillJohnson

Most people apologize when they admit they are wrong. But in this case they just have to say they were wrong, they don't have to apologize. I always knew you could apologize without being wrong. Not apologizing after admitting you were wrong...seems to me that is some psychological defect. Wrong and proud! Wait. Isn't that satire? I'm confused.

#59 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 07:01 PM | Reply

#58 - BillJohnson

Their intent has been stated over and over again. If you missed that train, well. Google.

#60 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-10 07:03 PM | Reply

The owners should double down.

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-10 07:04 PM | Reply

They need to go on the record as loving America before they are permanently branded.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson

So do trump supporters.

So far they've only shown they love con men, lying, racism, xenophobia, and stupidity.

All while supporting a draft dodge who insults veterans and their families.

No one can credibly claim to be a patriot while supporting trump.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaksoftly,

Congratulations.

You have made my do not respond list.

I've been considering putting you on it for awhile.

Don't waste your time with me.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 07:15 PM | Reply

Well, he has backed his team into a corner.

I guess we will see.

#64 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-10 07:20 PM | Reply

Once the NFL owners play their hand, the game will be over.

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson

The "game" will really be over if ALL the players decided they didn't like being told how to be patriotic by our idiot President.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-10 07:25 PM | Reply

Congratulations.

You have made my do not respond list.

I've been considering putting you on it for awhile.

Don't waste your time with me.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson

Congratulation.

You have made my TOO STUPID TO DEBATE list.

Its easy to feel smart if you avoid engaging with anyone above your mental capacity.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 07:50 PM | Reply

66

Looked in the mirror and didn't like what you saw?

About time. You and Bill have a ton in common with regards to the way you both post.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2017-10-10 07:54 PM | Reply

Congratulations.

You have made my do not respond list.

I've been considering putting you on it for awhile.

Don't waste your time with me.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson

Can't you just plonk people instead of sounding so Valley Girlish. You know like I don't want to talk to you and stuff because you like don't fur shure sound so ditzy to me because I'm like super smart and stuff.

#68 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-10 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

About time. You and Bill have a ton in common with regards to the way you both post.

#67 | Posted by eberly

I'll engage with anyone who can debate within the realms of the real world.

The only person I ever stopped responding to was goatman, after he insisted you can't be a proponent of clean energy if you use any oil at all.

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 08:18 PM | Reply

I can't believe how people have lost their rational minds over this. I know somebody who called it "treasonous protests". Kneeling for the national anthem is treason?!? Not sure if he was serious or just using extreme rhetoric but still. Come on, man!

#70 | Posted by Pirate at 2017-10-10 08:30 PM | Reply

I can't believe how people have lost their rational minds over this. I know somebody who called it "treasonous protests". Kneeling for the national anthem is treason?!? Not sure if he was serious or just using extreme rhetoric but still. Come on, man!

#70 | Posted by Pirate

The only people who lost their minds are trump supporters because they don't have many minds to lose.

Even trump hasn't lost his mind over it - he's just manipulating the morons who are dumb enough to lose their minds, by telling him the military and vets are being attacked.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-10 08:32 PM | Reply

If they want to be taken seriously as Americans, then they need to act like Americans.

#51 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

By not being able to find the Pacific Ocean on a world map?

#72 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-10 09:06 PM | Reply

This country picked a bad year to stop sniffing glue.

#73 | Posted by mutant at 2017-10-10 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Laura,

Excessive hate, excessive personal attacks, circular logic, or trying to bait me, makes my list.

I let the poster know so they bug off.

When you pay my bills, you can tell me how to post.

#74 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-10 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NFL is dead - what american still thinks it is a great idea to build billion dollar stadiums with taxpayer dollars for a game that is played about 10 times a year? Grow up!

roger god-ell makes 35 million a year?! he should build his own forkin stadiums on his dime!

suckers!

and why aren't trans folks allowed to be cheerleaders?*

#75 | Posted by mutant at 2017-10-10 10:36 PM | Reply

and why aren't trans folks allowed to be cheerleaders?*
#75 | POSTED BY MUTANT

You have to be born with pompoms.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-10 11:02 PM | Reply

It is his plantation...

#77 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2017-10-10 11:24 PM | Reply

I'll engage with anyone who can debate within the realms of the real world. - SpeaksHardly

That would be an interesting debate, given that you are in fantasyland......

The "game" will really be over if ALL the players decided they didn't like being told how to be patriotic by our idiot President.
#65 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Good thing, America should spend its Sunday's with family and friends, doing hobbies, fishing, cycling, sailing.

California is already leading the nation in the NFL's decline, when was the last time you went to see a game?

#78 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-11 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"California is already leading the nation in the NFL's decline"

That's because the CA teams suck. The four of them combined have one more win that the Kansas City Chiefs.

If SF and the Chargers go to the SB in two years, California will be leading the nation in the NFL's "resurgence".

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-10-11 12:44 AM | Reply

Laura,

Besides, I don't want to block anyone's posts.

That's not really my objective.

#80 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2017-10-11 06:47 AM | Reply

@#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-10-10 05:07 PM
I don't get the right wingers can't see this. I guess it comes from an inability to put yourself in the shoes of others...
Seriously taking a knee is NOT disrespecting Vets. The flag is not a Vet. The Anthem is not a Vet. It has nothing to do with Vets. Who ever thought that is an idiot.

Are you considering yourself right winger here? You certainly don't seem to be able to put yourself in the shoes of vets who, you even acknowledge, do see this as disrespectful (Even Vets out there are not all in agreement ).

The flag is a mere bit of cloth and the national anthem is a song and only a song.
Some people, who have shoes you can't seem to put yourself into, see it as a symbol, not a mere bit of cloth. Ask yourself why kneeling during that particular moment is important if the mere cloth/mere song statement you made above is true.

One of our core values as Americans is the right to protest and protest itself IMHO. And people are counter protesting the actions of the players. You're cool with that, right? Those counter-protests are having their desired result of pushing the ownership to meet the demands of the protesters.

Even Vets out there are not all in agreement - who made this about Vets? The vets themselves!

I don't think it is even disrespecting the flag or the anthem. Other people, with other shoes, disagree.

Besides, when you kneel before God in church - is that disrespecting God? I mean seriously when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect If you go to church, and the service leader asks for everyone to kneel, and you then rise and stand at attention with your hand over your heart, do you really think that people wouldn't have a problem with it? Better question, can you put yourself into the shoes of people who WOULD have a problem with it?

#81 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-11 07:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I really like how they have started allowing athletes to wear their messages. That's a great way to do it. Or raising a fist during the Anthem.

Protests are designed to be antagonistic. Otherwise, what's the point?

BTW: Raising a fist during the anthem was not considered acceptable when it first occurred and I suspect that many people still find it objectionable.

There is a serious constitutional principle at stake here: freedom of speech. Government officials exceed their constitutional authority when they try to dictate acceptable forms of expression (as long as it is lawful). As a government official, Trump needs to STFU. However, JJ and other people get to weigh in on the conversation because of their free speech rights. JJ, as team owner, has even more rights than the average person because he can dictate team behavior; as long as he isn't violating player contracts or league rules.

Some try to argue that Trump is just exercising his freedom of speech rights as a citizen. Trump is a government official 24/7/365. He can only be separated from his role as a government official by 1) term expiring; 2) 25th amendment; 3) impeachment; 4) resign; 5) dies in office. Therefore, it is impossible for him to exercise his freedom of speech rights outside of the context of his role as a government official unless one of those five conditions occur.

#82 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-11 07:56 AM | Reply

#81 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2017-10-11 07:08 AM

If I could give each rejoinder in #81 a NW I would. But, I can only give the entire post a NW, so I'll do that.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-11 08:26 AM | Reply

Speaks ate Bill Johnson's lunch. Ouch.

Of course he won't respond. His position was revealed to be a complete fraud. No recovering from that.

#84 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-11 09:33 AM | Reply

I do like what jones is doing here though. Anything that sows discord in the Dallas locker room and makes Dallas less attractive to free agents is cool with me. Sitting at 2-3 after starting with huge expectations, they are at a crossroads and This is a nice nudge towards Wasted Season City.

#85 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-11 09:47 AM | Reply

Excessive hate, excessive personal attacks, circular logic, or trying to bait me, makes my list.

I let the poster know so they bug off.

When you pay my bills, you can tell me how to post.

#74 | Posted by BillJohnson

So you need a SAFE SPACE where you don't have to defend your weak ideas, huh SNOWFLAKE?

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 11:16 AM | Reply

Forced patriotism works every time in North Korea. Why shouldn't we take their best tactics here?

Oh right, we have a constitution that prevents us from the President telling us what we can say.

#87 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-11 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#87 - BRUCEBANNER

You're misconstruing government actions with private employers.

#88 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 12:41 PM | Reply

#87

And to be clear. Trump statement about firing the b*******s crossed the line. There may be a case against him in that regard. However the owners of these teams can restrict the actions of their employees while on the job.

#89 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 12:45 PM | Reply

The simple fact is that the people who are playing the game are driving away those who watch it.

#90 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-11 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The simple fact is that the people who are playing the game are driving away those who watch it.

#90 | Posted by MSgt

The simpler fact is the NFL brought this on themselves by wrapping themselves in the flag for self promotion, marketing, and cash. If you want to use the flag to sell tickets, then you risk selling less tickets when your country starts angering people.

There is zero reason the anthem should be performed before games. It's done as military recruiting, that the NFL is PAID to do.

They don't play the anthem before movies or plays, there is no reason to play if before sporting events, which have nothing to do with nationalism or the military.

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 01:51 PM | Reply

"The simpler fact is the NFL brought this on themselves by wrapping themselves in the flag for self promotion, marketing, and cash. If you want to use the flag to sell tickets, then you risk selling less tickets when your country starts angering people."

#91 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-10-11 01:51 PM | FLAG: Do you actually believe what you posted? Have you ever met even one person who claimed they either watched on TV or bought a ticket because of the playing of the flag & anthem?

As for other places/events where it is played:
"In any case, the tradition of performing the National Anthem before every baseball game began during World War II. Today, the Anthem is performed before the beginning of all MLS, NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL games (with at least one American team playing), as well as in a pre-race ceremony portion of every NASCAR race. Performances at particularly large events are often ended with a military flypast. The NHL requires arenas in both the U.S. and Canada to perform both the Canadian and American national anthems at games that involve teams from both countries, and it is usual for both American and Canadian anthems to be played at Major League Baseball games involving the Toronto Blue Jays, the only Canadian MLB team. (Wikipedia)"
briancain.com

#92 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-11 01:59 PM | Reply

You're misconstruing government actions with private employers.

#88 | POSTED BY GAVASTER AT 2017-10-11 12:41 PM | FLAG:

How so? Be sure to include the direct involvement of the POTUS and VPOTUS.

#93 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-11 02:08 PM | Reply

Have you ever met even one person who claimed they either watched on TV or bought a ticket because of the playing of the flag & anthem?

As for other places/events where it is played:
"In any case, the tradition of performing the National Anthem before every baseball game began during World War II. Today, the Anthem is performed before the beginning of all MLS, NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL games (with at least one American team playing), as well as in a pre-race ceremony portion of every NASCAR race. Performances at particularly large events are often ended with a military flypast. The NHL requires arenas in both the U.S. and Canada to perform both the Canadian and American national anthems at games that involve teams from both countries, and it is usual for both American and Canadian anthems to be played at Major League Baseball games involving the Toronto Blue Jays, the only Canadian MLB team. (Wikipedia)"briancain.com

#92 | Posted by MSgt

Again, WHY is it played before sports, but not other entertainment events?

The military PAYS the NFL to worship them, in order to brainwash young dumb men into enlisting.

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 02:31 PM | Reply

Compelling athletes to participate in a federally-funded display of patriotism sounds like Russia in the 1980's...among other dictatorships. Can they refuse to participate in the anthem? Can they stand somewhere else? Why are all the not-liberals happy about this? Wonder what their perspective would be if President Hillary were to compel people to do something against their will...

#95 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-10-11 05:13 PM | Reply

#93 | BRUCEBANNER

Short answer
Contract law. Not criminal law.

Long Answer
I don't know of any laws allowing the President or Vice President to prosecute and imprison anyone who protests during the national anthem. And actually, I think it may be a violation for Trump simply saying the NFL owners should fire those who protest. I've seen that idea floating around lately. I'll have to do some digging. But in North Korea, at least allegedly, you, your children, and grandchildren can be punished if you don't dust a photo of Kim Jong Un. The atrocities in NK with legal punishment for not being patriotic are well documented I think. The only one with the power to force NFL players to stand for the national anthem are their employers.

#95 - Chuffy

It's a private contract between the NFL and the players. The POTUS can't throw them in jail if they don't comply. The employers, the NFL, can force them to show respect to one of their advertisers though. One of those contract law things. We pay you money, you represent us. You do something that doesn't reflect well on us and we lose money because of it we can fire you. One of those things.

#96 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 05:37 PM | Reply

WASHINGTON -- In the wake of protests in which some players knelt during the national anthem prior to this week's NFL games, a U.S. Army veteran has been informed that the acts offended him. "This behavior spits in the face of everything you fought for," said friends, family members, co-workers, politicians, television pundits, newspaper columnists, and millions of social media users, notifying the 65-year-old who served two tours in the Vietnam War that the protests were a mockery of all the sacrifices he had made. "You didn't risk your life so that a bunch of millionaires could grandstand about some social issues. When these players refuse to rise for the anthem, they're trampling all over your legacy, so of course you'd be furious." Upon stating that the protests saddened him but that he had fought for their right to take place, the veteran was informed that, while his service was appreciated, he just wasn't getting it.

The Real Fake News

#97 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-11 07:03 PM | Reply

It's a private contract between the NFL and the players. The POTUS can't throw them in jail if they don't comply. The employers, the NFL, can force them to show respect to one of their advertisers though.

#96 | Posted by gavaster

Who's the advertiser? The Flag and Anthem Company Inc?

America Inc?

Or are you admitting the military is just another advertiser to the NFL and this whole patriotic charade is all about money for the NFL, and racism for the trump supporters?

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 07:04 PM | Reply

The simple fact is that the people who are playing the game are driving away those who watch it.

#90 | POSTED BY MSGT

Simple fact is, this was barely a problem until POTUS opened his fat mouth. Now it's the ultimate distraction as he burns down America.

#99 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-10-11 07:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#98 - SPEAKSOFTLY

I didn't know those were actually disputed facts.

Yes. The military pays for advertising space in the NFL game.

Yes. It is about money. The NFL teams are for-profit businesses. You do something that offends 20-30% of their fan base as well as one of their advertisers and they won't take kindly to that. Business is business. See what ESPN did the same to Jemele Hill? Same thing. Also see dozens of companies who pull their sponsorship deals with athletes who do things they feel reflects negatively on their company.

Yes. True to form Trump typically only attacks the minorities when he feels he has cover of a 'greater' good so he can portray his racism as patriotism or some other misguided notion.

Yes. Some Trump supporters are racists. But some actually think it is offensive to kneel during the national anthem, their own hypocrisy not withstanding. Free country though. You have the right to be offended. Others have the right not to care you're offended and tout their freedom of speech and right to protest and call you racist. Free country. Both sides have merits. None of it matters though as it relates to repercussions against the athletes. If the NFL says you stand for the anthem and you're employed by the NFL, you stand. Sucks to be owned by someone else, but the benefits are great I hear. That's also why I hate working for corporations. I hate anyone telling me what I can and cannot do. Self employment is fantastic. I can't wait to get back to it.

#100 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 07:26 PM | Reply

If the NFL says you stand for the anthem and you're employed by the NFL, you stand.

#100 | Posted by gavaster

Or you strike. And show the corporation who really has the power.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Or quit and get a real job that helps the poor.

#102 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 09:44 PM | Reply

#101 - Speak

True. We'll see if the players take it that far.

#103 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-10-11 09:52 PM | Reply

True. We'll see if the players take it that far.

#103 | Posted by gavaster
Who will notice?

#104 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 09:54 PM | Reply

Seriously, the smartest thing that could happen would be for people who kneeled to admit they were mistaken and that insulting America is the wrong way to go about doing it.

If they want to be taken seriously as Americans, then they need to act like Americans.

Exercising their CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right to freedom of speech shows them ACTING like Americans. ANYONE who believes this is an insult has that right, as well and can turn the channel or not go to the games. That's what's GREAT about America. We have the right to say what we want and you have the right to be offended.

But you haven't got the right to make us shut up.

For the record, I have NEVER, not ONCE stood for the anthem. I don't believe in it as such displays of patriotism and nationalism are empty gestures that do nothing but pass as an oath of obedience to a piece of fabric. The very idea of a salute to the flag from a civilian is as ridiculous to me as praying to a golden calf is to a Christian.

I love this country. I love what it stands for.

And what it stands for is the right NOT to stand for the anthem.

#105 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-10-11 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#105 | Posted by RevDarko
Some companies require you to wear uniforms, most have rules spelled out to their employees. If you don't like them you can choose not to be employed there.

#106 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some companies require you to wear uniforms, most have rules spelled out to their employees. If you don't like them you can choose not to be employed there.

True. And, if during contract negotiations, that gets added to players contracts, and the players sign... well, they're bigger morons than the president, but they'll have to adhere to that rule.

UNTIL such time, though, they still have the rights of any other civilians in this country.

#107 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-10-11 10:02 PM | Reply

#107 | Posted by RevDarko
And in their current contracts there is a clause that covers any negative impact on the NFL name. How are those dropping rating doing?

#108 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 10:06 PM | Reply

How are those dropping rating doing?

Can those dropping ratings be correlated to the protests? Those drops would need to have been pretty bloody quick for that correlation to exist.

#109 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-10-11 10:08 PM | Reply

#109 | Posted by RevDarko
Google is your friend.
Or you can choose to ignore it.
Worst ratings ever last Monday night.

#110 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-11 11:26 PM | Reply

Yeah sure Trump, we cannot disrespect the all important flag, but we can disrespect an imprisoned American soldier like McCain. Trump is the last person to ever recognize the truth that SCOTUS opined on this issue and YES, we can do anything we like to the flag. That is our constitutional right, a right which Trump wants to ignore and abuse in order to deflect attention from the bumbling, self obsessed class warfare he's engaged in.

The greatest tragedy is how Trump has changed the national conversation, like a freight train running off the rails. We need to be talking about important issues instead of whether Trump is a moron or not. There is no better example of the emptiness of wealth than Trump.

#111 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-12 07:54 AM | Reply

That nobody who is against the players mentions what an obvious fraud POW hating Trump is with his respect the flag BS proves to me that most of them are just as full of ---- as he is. Real outrage is not selective like this, jackasses.

#112 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-12 09:02 AM | Reply

True. We'll see if the players take it that far.
#103 | Posted by gavaster
Who will notice?

#104 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

The person who created this Fake News.

The Donald and his Trumpsters would have a faux rage stroke if all the black players kneeled in protest.

#113 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-10-12 10:32 AM | Reply

Or quit and get a real job that helps the poor.

#102 | Posted by Federalist

Right. If you want to use your position of opportunity to help the misfortunate, you must first give up your position of opportunity.

Idiot.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 01:06 PM | Reply

Or you strike. And show the corporation who really has the power. - #101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-11 09:29 PM

You think a competition to determine who has power, the players or the fans, is going to turn out well for the players? This isn't a competition between players and the NFL. Some few players are protesting by kneeling during the anthem, some (few?) fans are protesting by turning away from the NFL.

#115 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-12 02:27 PM | Reply

You think a competition to determine who has power, the players or the fans, is going to turn out well for the players? This isn't a competition between players and the NFL. Some few players are protesting by kneeling during the anthem, some (few?) fans are protesting by turning away from the NFL.

#115 | Posted by Avigdore

YOu're right. It's a dillema where the NFL has to pick between alienating viewers who care about social justice, or alienating moronic nationalists who are dumb enough to think kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the military, because the world's most famous liar told them so.

This is what the NFL deserves for wrapping themselves in the flag in the first place. Other corporations should take note.

If you're going to act like you're some patriotic company, then your company's $ is at risk when your nation pisses your customers off.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 02:37 PM | Reply

112
I have been against the kneeling from the get go. Trump has no influence on me. It's simply the wrong place, at the wrong time.
I don't give a crap about the arguments about disrespecting the flag or veterans. I just don't like the spotlight rangers.

As for trump on McCain, I thought it was hilarious. I liked max cleland jokes too. I understand why those comments are disrespectful to plenty of veterans, but I simply don't care.

#117 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-12 02:40 PM | Reply

Btw, I meant to add that everyone I know that's a vet could care less about the flag/vet angle and simply dislike the "look at me" aspect of choosing the anthem.
They have multiple platforms to choose that wouldn't alienate so many people.

Besides, I'm inclined to believe that the biggest contribution the majority of the kneelers will make to help their cause will be the act of kneeling. Then they'll go home and beat the crap out of a woman, or their teammate will.

#118 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-12 02:45 PM | Reply

It won't happen, but I would really like it if every player in the NFL took a knee this Sunday. ---- Trump. ---- Jerry Jones. ---- Roger Goodell. ---- 'em all. America is the land of freedom. Most importantly, freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I'm a season ticket holder for an NFL franchise. I would hope my opinion matters more than the opinion of a bunch of white supremacists who rarely if ever attend NFL football games in the first place.

#119 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-12 02:50 PM | Reply

I laughed at the McCain thing too because the stupidity and lack of basic respect behind it was funny to me. But I'd be a hypocrite to clutch at pearls now over disrespecting the flag.

When the protest 1st started I thought Kapernick was wanting attention but since then he has put his time and money where his mouth is. He does some dumb stuff but he seems to be sincere, unlike many of his critics.

Once this was made into a fake patriotism issue I had to side 1000% with the players. I hate that superficial patriotism BS.

#120 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-12 02:52 PM | Reply

I agree about Kaparnick. I hope it isn't just temporary in order to save his image and give him a second chance.
I also hate the fake patriotism. I think we shouldn't be paying to sponsor the NFL either. Those flyovers? Just do them anyway, without paying. The NFL doesn't have an air force to stop us.

#121 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-12 02:57 PM | Reply

I actually do have a question.

Does Nulli side with Thug Lover Jones, or with the Thug Players?

I'm just kidding. Nulli just wants to watch the NFL burn.

hash tag popcorn, amirite!

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 03:02 PM | Reply

I actually do have a question.

Does Nulli side with Thug Lover Jones, or with the Thug Players?

Posted by snoofy

I have a question for you. When, if ever, are you going to graduate college, junior?

#123 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-12 03:06 PM | Reply

I don't give a crap about the arguments about disrespecting the flag or veterans. I just don't like the spotlight rangers.

As for trump on McCain, I thought it was hilarious. I liked max cleland jokes too. I understand why those comments are disrespectful to plenty of veterans, but I simply don't care.

#117 | Posted by 101Chairborne

You don't like spotlight rangers who are saying something is wrong in america, but you had no problem with spotlight rangers saying "look how patriotic our corporation is" for decades beforehand.

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:11 PM | Reply

Correction - you later said "I also hate the fake patriotism. I think we shouldn't be paying to sponsor the NFL either. "

Which is more than most football fans are willing to admit.

The NFL's patriotism is fake as hell.

So is JJ watt.

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:12 PM | Reply

Pat Tillman was a real patriot.
Got fragged by his own unit for it.
Don't be like Pat.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 03:27 PM | Reply

I don't like God Bless America during 7th inning of baseball games either. Take Me Out to the Ball Game was way better.

I was at Yankee Stadium for a fly over once and have to admit it was pretty cool to see. They flew directly over my seat and I was just the right amount of drunk too. Challenger the eagle is also pretty impressive to see live. Rolling out giant flags and making people stand for songs not so much.... There's always some jagov yelling at others to remove their hats too. Hate that guy.

#127 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-12 03:40 PM | Reply

"I have a question for you. When, if ever, are you going to graduate college, junior?"

Ooh I know this one:
"And give up show business?"

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 03:42 PM | Reply

Pat Tillman was a real patriot.
Got fragged by his own unit for it.
Don't be like Pat.

#126 | Posted by snoofy

Pat Tillman was a sucker who fell for the military's marketing campaign in the NFL.

Too dumb to see the whole reason 9/11 happened was because we've been screwing around on the other side of the world.

So his response? TO GO SCREW AROUND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD SOME MORE.

His heart may have been in the right place, but he was as dumb as any other brainwashed grunt.

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-12 03:48 PM | Reply

"I don't like God Bless America during 7th inning of baseball games either. Take Me Out to the Ball Game was way better."

The biggest diehard Yankee fan I know just said that the other day: get rid of GBA and replace it with TMOtotheBG.

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-12 03:48 PM | Reply

I don't like God Bless America during 7th inning of baseball games either. Take Me Out to the Ball Game was way better.

Amen brother.

Wallowing in post-9/11 self pity is no way for a country to behave.

Can you believe people wanted to make 9/11 a holiday? I mean really. Why not make the day JFK got shot a holiday too.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-12 03:50 PM | Reply

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