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Monday, October 09, 2017

One of the refrains you hear today from media experts and journalists is that they'd known about Weinstein's transgressions for a long time. The problem, they say, was that no one was able to nail down the story.

Nonsense. Everyone had it, not just Waxman. Sure, reporters hadn't been able to get any stars to go on the record. But that means the story journalists were pursuing wasn't really about Weinstein's sexual depredations. It means that what they wanted was a story about actresses, junior executives, or assistants who had been humiliated, maybe raped, and chose to remain quiet in exchange for money and/or a shot at fame.

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See it's not that Harvey was just a sleaze ball, but all of MSM knew it, and said nothing, any good shrink would say they are transferring their anger on Trump.

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was Fox screaming about it?

your last line is kind of bizarre....

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-10-09 12:38 PM | Reply

any good shrink would say they are transferring their anger on Trump.

Posted by AndreaMackris at

What a goofball idea.

How's this, both Trump and Weinstein are ----------?

Why do you pretend that people make things up about Trump? Why do you pretend Trump doesn't get exactly what he asks for?

Donald Trump is a dangerous loser. That's all that he is, and he's not getting better.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-09 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

was Fox screaming about it?

#1 | Posted by ichiro at

Well, no. Was Donald screaming about it? He knows Weinstein. He said so on TV. Unless he's lying again to steal some of Weinstein's attention.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-09 12:47 PM | Reply

At least Hollywood is starting to come out against Harvey...it only took 4 days since the article but better late than never:

Meryl Streep: "The disgraceful news about Harvey Weinstein has appalled those of us whose work he championed, and those whose good and worthy causes he supported," Streep said to CNN in a statement, which was first provided to the Huffington Post.

"The intrepid women who raised their voices to expose this abuse are our heroes," she said.

Juliana Moore: "Coming forward about sexual abuse and coercion is scary and women have nothing to be gained personally by doing so," Moore wrote. "But through their bravery we move forward as a culture, and I thank them. Stand with @AshleyJudd @rosemcgowan and others."

Mark Ruffalo: "To be clear what Harvey Weinstein did was a disgusting abuse of power and horrible. I hope we are now seeing the beginning of the end of these abuses," wrote actor Mark Ruffalo in a tweet.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 12:56 PM | Reply

The casting couch has been around for forever.
Why hasn't Streep or anyone spoken out prior to this? If they did, how did it fizzle out so quickly?

Btw, Rose McGowan has always been a turn off...she's got a freaky look that would be even spookier if she didn't have such a fine upper body...

#5 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-09 01:03 PM | Reply

"Why hasn't Streep or anyone spoken out prior to this? If they did, how did it fizzle out so quickly?"

Because those ----- are lying, duh.
Are you new to America or something?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 01:03 PM | Reply

The Human Stain: Harvey Weinstein Is Worse Than You Think

POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Right-wing propaganda, tinged with a smattering of anti-semitism.

Somewhere the ghost of Joseph Goebbels is giving you an enthusiastic two-thumbs up.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 01:04 PM | Reply

One thing that I thought was notable from this article:

A thought experiment: Would the Weinstein story have been published if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency? No, and not because he is a big Democratic fundraiser. It's because if the story was published during the course of a Hillary Clinton presidency, it wouldn't have really been about Harvey Weinstein. Harvey would have been seen as a proxy for the president's husband and it would have embarrassed the president, the first female president.

Bill Clinton offered get-out-of-jail-free cards to a whole army of sleazeballs, from Jeffrey Epstein to Harvey Weinstein to the foreign donors to the Clinton Global Initiative. The deal was simple: Pay up, genuflect, and get on with your existence. It was like a papacy selling indulgences, at the same time that everyone knew that the cardinals were up to no good. The 2016 election demolished Clinton world once and for all, to be replaced by the cult of Obama, an austere sect designated by their tailored hair shirts with Nehru collars. "That is not who we are as Americans," they chant, as Harvey Weinstein's ashes are scattered in the wind.

Now that the Clinton era is done and predators like Weinstein no longer can buy up every story with the promise of optioning those stories into indie film riches, the media is no longer afraid of people like Harvey and will hopefully start pulling up the rocks to see what is underneath.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 01:05 PM | Reply

#7

Did you get that all from just reading the title, Pinch?

Thought so.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 01:07 PM | Reply

Powerful narcissistic men sexually abusing women? That's unheard of! I would love this pos to be prosecuted.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-09 01:09 PM | Reply

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"At least Hollywood is starting to come out against Harvey...it only took 4 days since the article but better late than never:"

I don't think 4 days is too long in this case. People need time to digest the information and process their thoughts. We shouldn't be normalizing Trump's kneejerk twitter reactions. The reaction to the Access Hollywood tape was immediate because Trump was the one on tape talking. I don't think the GOP has responded yet, a year later, to the claims made by a number of women about Trump:

1 More Woman Accuses Trump Of Inappropriate Sexual Conduct. Here's The Full List

www.npr.org

I also want to caution, as I have in the past, against assuming every accusation by every accuser must be given immediate and equal credence. I say this whether the accused is Weinstein or Trump or whoever. I can see the pendulum swinging in that direction. Most accusers are sincere, but not all of them. I say this because I once bought hook, line and sinker Tawana Brawley's tall tales. Having said that, I believe most, if not all, of the accusations against Weinstein are true.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:13 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Considering all the recent anti-Weinstein threads and posts by you and Mackris, we get it -- you guys hate Hollywood Jews who are also DNC donors.

As if all the billionaire GOP donors are as pure as the heavenly virgin-driven snow atop Mt Everest.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you guys hate Hollywood Jews who are also DNC donors."

Zing!

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 01:20 PM | Reply

"The casting couch has been around for forever."

So has women making false claims against men to exact revenge, make money or bring them down. The number of those women are very small in comparison to the number of women subjected to sexual harassment, but it does happen, which is why I hate the mantra: "We must always believe the women." No we don't. We must always listen to the women and then try to verify their stories. Tough, I know when it is so often he said/she said. That's why having a credible person like Ashley Judd (or Gretchen Carlson) speak out is so important. It's also why having a number of women speak out (as in the Cosby case) is so important.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:25 PM | Reply

Based on who he is (- an arrogant super-powerful narcissistic Hollywood movie mogul) I am inclined to believe all allegations of sexual abuse leveled at him.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-09 01:28 PM | Reply

"from Jeffrey Epstein"

Trump has his own Epstein connection. I wonder if more will come out about Epstein during a Trump presidency?

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:29 PM | Reply

Did you get that all from just reading the title, Pinch?

Thought so.

#9 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

even Stevie Wonder can see it

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 01:32 PM | Reply

"We shouldn't be normalizing Trump's kneejerk twitter reactions"

How many threads did loser ROC post about Weinstein?
Where'd he learn that?
Sad!

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 01:32 PM | Reply

#15 The one I'm tempted to question is this one:

When several board members pressed Mr. Weinstein about it, he insisted that the woman had set him up, colleagues recalled.

Ms. Battilana had testified in court proceedings against associates of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy who are accused of procuring women for alleged sex parties, and the Italian news media also reported that, years ago, Ms. Battilana accused a septuagenarian boyfriend of sexual harassment, a complaint that was apparently dismissed. Ms. Battilana did not respond to requests for comment. Her lawyer, Mauro Rufini, could not be reached for comment.

www.drudge.com

She might be telling the truth, but since she has a history of making allegations, I'd want to know more.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:35 PM | Reply

"from Jeffrey Epstein"

Trump's Labor nominee oversaw ‘sweetheart plea deal' in billionaire's underage sex case [the billionaire in question is Epstein]

www.politico.com

The one weird court case linking Trump, Clinton, and a billionaire pedophile

A woman suing in connection with Jeffrey Epstein's underage sex ring claims she was first approached while working as a towel girl at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

www.politico.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:38 PM | Reply

Hey ROC
Could I get then complete list of Republicans who have condemned Weinstein?
You know, since so many Democrats condemned Trump, it would be hypocritical if Republicans aren't condemning Weinstein.
Thanks.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 01:44 PM | Reply

"she was first approached while working as a towel girl"

Wow, these sexual predators make up job titles just to fill them with a steady stock of young women to prey on.

Titles like "tower girl" and "wife."

Then they fire them if they start getting uppity, or just too old and too ugly to fulfill the job description.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 01:46 PM | Reply

from: The one weird court case linking Trump, Clinton, and a billionaire pedophile:

Trump has also indicated publicly he knew of Epstein's interest in "younger" women, although he never suggested the financier crossed any legal lines. "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 01:58 PM | Reply

Also from: The one weird court case linking Trump, Clinton, and a billionaire pedophile:

On Monday, lawyers for Maxwell informed the judge that they wanted to ask potential jurors about their knowledge of rape and sexual harassment allegations leveled at Trump during the presidential contest.

Maxwell's legal team wants to ask the jury pool if they know about suits filed -- then dropped or dismissed -- alleging that Trump and Epstein raped a teen at Epstein's Manhattan residence.

Trump denied the charges. The suits were withdrawn amid media scrutiny, although one attorney for an unnamed accuser said she backed out due to threats.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:07 PM | Reply

#8 In conclusion, it probably wasn't prudent for the author of this piece to bring up Epstein in the paragraphs you quote.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:15 PM | Reply

FYI: Here's a link that talks about the rape court case that was filed against Trump and Epstein:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016

www.snopes.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:32 PM | Reply

What's with all the internet "alpha" male snowflaking?

Did someone elect this creep president, too?

#27 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-09 02:33 PM | Reply

Hey RCade, what happened to RoC's post #8 referring to Epstein and my response to it?

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:38 PM | Reply

Why aren't these Politico articles fair game:

The one weird court case linking Trump, Clinton, and a billionaire pedophile

A woman suing in connection with Jeffrey Epstein's underage sex ring claims she was first approached while working as a towel girl at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

www.politico.com

Trump's Labor nominee oversaw ‘sweetheart plea deal' in billionaire's underage sex case {the billionaire in question is Epstein}

www.politico.com

What's wrong with this snopes article:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016.

www.snopes.com

These are factual articles, not opinion pieces. They don't verify the allegations, but they do accurately report on them. Please explain the deletions. TY

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:44 PM | Reply

Hey RCade, what happened to RoC's post #8 referring to Epstein and my response to it?

RightOCenter shouldn't have dragged Epstein into this discussion to smear the Clintons. I got tired of Epstein being dragged out all the time here by the right.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-09 02:47 PM | Reply

The author of this piece dragged in Epstein and RoC quoted him. If the article can stand, shouldn't people be able to respond to it?

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I just posted from the article, sorry it upset you so much.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RCade, It is frustrating not to be able to respond to something in the original article. However, as always, your house; your rules.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:54 PM | Reply

If the article can stand, shouldn't people be able to respond to it?

Sure, but Epstein isn't the focus of the article. Harvey Weinstein is. Epstein was just dragged out by the Weekly Standard to smear the Clintons. The Standard knows Epstein and Trump are connected to each other. Its decision to omit that is pure sleaze by a publication that has always played dirty to get what it wants.

If you want to discuss Epstein go ahead.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2017-10-09 02:57 PM | Reply

My point is simply this: Trump has an Epstein problem.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 02:59 PM | Reply

The Standard knows Epstein and Trump are connected to each other. Its decision to omit that is pure sleaze by a publication that has always played dirty to get what it wants.

That's fair, I didn't even pay attention to the Epstein reference in the article tbh, but agree with Gal that his scumbaggery taints Trump as well.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 03:05 PM | Reply

That's fair, I didn't even pay attention to the Epstein reference in the article tbh, but agree with Gal that his scumbaggery taints Trump as well.

#36 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The level of your sincerity is laughable at best.

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 03:07 PM | Reply

My point, over the past few days, is that these guys (Clinton, Cosby, Trump, Weinstein) all use their power to abuse and harass women, yet politicians and Hollywood give them a pass if it suits their purpose. Unfortunately, if people perceive that they are "on their side", they are more willing to point at the other guys and say, they did it too.

To this end, kudos to those entertainers in Hollywood today that came out against Weinstein and the culture of abuse.

Everyone needs to denounce these scum and let them know there are consequences, including our current POTUS. Enough is enough and it has to stop.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 03:09 PM | Reply

#37

The only thing more laughable is your lapses in cognitive reasoning.

Grow up.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 03:11 PM | Reply

Harvey Weinstein. Donald Trump. Bill O'Reilly. Bill Clinton. Roger Ailes. These guys all have so much in common that it is impossible not to see it. And it is not good.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-09 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only thing more laughable is your lapses in cognitive reasoning.

Grow up.

#39 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I got more grey hair on my big toe than you have on your entire pointy head.

#41 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 03:18 PM | Reply

It's amazing that any female would want to touch, much less sleep with these two cretins, if it wasn't for their careers.

i0.wp.com

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 03:22 PM | Reply

Is that a picture of Trump?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 03:33 PM | Reply

Well, maybe the Mueller investigation will bring it all out. Unlikely, you say? Not if part of the kompromat the Russians have on politicians like Trump and Clinton includes having a copy of Epstein's little black book--not of women for himself, but of women for his friends.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 03:34 PM | Reply

"My point, over the past few days, is that these guys (Clinton, Cosby, Trump, Weinstein) all use their power to abuse and harass women, yet politicians and Hollywood give them a pass if it suits their purpose"

Everybody already knows that, --------.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Everybody already knows that, --------.

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-10-09 03:37 PM

Then maybe you and the rest of the "---------" on the DR Left would be better at articulating it.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 03:42 PM | Reply

would=should

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 03:43 PM | Reply

If the truth comes out and is as bad as some have suggested it will get ugly:

"We All Knew About the Trafficking"-The Untold Story of Trump Model Management (Part 1)

www.dailykos.com

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 03:51 PM | Reply

Or should I say, it will get uglier.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 03:53 PM | Reply

"Then maybe you and the rest of the "DF" on the DR Left would be better at articulating it"

speaking of articulating.

is nominating, voting for, then excusing every action ---- how you articulate your "disapproval" or "approval" in the way trump treats the ladies?

#50 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-09 04:09 PM | Reply

is nominating, voting for, then excusing every action ---- how you articulate your "disapproval" or "approval" in the way trump treats the ladies?

Never supported Trump, did not vote for Trump, think he is a typical scummy NY real estate developer who is not fit for the office of President.

Find a post where I did any of those three things...I will wait.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 04:13 PM | Reply

"Find a post where I did any of those three things"

I know!
I can't find where you posted anything about trump acting lecherous, let alone whining about it over an entire weekend

Perhaps you can show us

#52 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-09 04:18 PM | Reply

can't find any threads titled.

"Donald Trump Is Worse Than You Think" authored by you

and no threads authored by you or any DR "principled" wingtards about any of the 12 + woman who were Trumps victims

feel free to show us where you did.

#53 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-09 04:24 PM | Reply

I can't find where you posted anything about trump acting lecherous, let alone whining about it over an entire weekend
Perhaps you can show us

#38

"My point, over the past few days, is that these guys (Clinton, Cosby, Trump, Weinstein) all use their power to abuse and harass women, yet politicians and Hollywood give them a pass if it suits their purpose."

Reading comprehension is not just for Conservatives, you should not be afraid to try it some time.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 04:34 PM | Reply

Never supported Trump, did not vote for Trump, think he is a typical scummy NY real estate developer who is not fit for the office of President.

Find a post where I did any of those three things...I will wait.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter

Give it up, Righto.

Most of what you do is support Trump. If you don't think so, perhaps you should take a break and review your posts for the several months.

Get back to us in a week or so.

And no, I'm not gonna do your work for you.

#55 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-10-09 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Most of what you do is support Trump.

You DemoHacks think every comment that doesn't contain "I hate Trump" is an endorsement, ------.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 04:39 PM | Reply

feel free to show us where you did.

Most of what you do is support Trump. If you don't think so, perhaps you should take a break and review your posts for the several months.

You ------- are so easy to ruin, these are just from the past two days:

"I didn't even pay attention to the Epstein reference in the article tbh, but agree with Gal that his scumbaggery taints Trump as well.

I have always said Trump was a total pig, I have dealt with enough NYC real estate developers and entertainers to be able to spot them a mile away. I am sure, somewhere in the Archive, you have posts of me saying "Trump has always been a pig, and you are surprised why?"

Takes one to know one:
President Donald Trump, preparing to board a helicopter to travel from the White House to a North Carolina fundraiser on Saturday, was asked by reporters to weigh in on the embattled Hollywood figure. "I've known Harvey Weinstein a long time," Trump replied. When asked if he was surprised by the accusations, the president replied: "I'm not at all surprised to see it.""

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 04:44 PM | Reply

And no, I'm not gonna do your work for you.

#55 | POSTED BY TEDBAXTER AT 2017-10-09 04:35 PM

Other than your faulty memory and assigning of positions, there are none.

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 04:49 PM | Reply

Then maybe you and the rest of the "---------" on the DR Left would be better at articulating it.
#46 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Having one as President speaks for maintaining the status quo of predatory men in power, not changing it.

What part of that is okay with you, since you aren't articulating how bad Trump is for the country every day, like you are with Weinstein?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 05:05 PM | Reply

#59

Did I stutter, what part of this did you not understand?

"I think he is a typical scummy NY real estate developer who is not fit for the office of President."

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 05:13 PM | Reply

"I think he is a typical scummy NY real estate developer who is not fit for the office of President."

And what do you think of politicians who do his bidding?
The same as you feel about politicians who take Weinstein's money?
How deep does the taint extend?
Is Pence a sleazebag for being the guy who finally said yes to being his VP?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 05:15 PM | Reply

since you aren't articulating how bad Trump is for the country every day

Unlike you and the rest of the DR Left, I see little use in running in circles, waving my hands in the air and crapping my pants on a daily basis over every little Tweet that Trump makes.

When he does something substantive that I disagree with (like the aborted health bills), you will hear about it.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 05:16 PM | Reply

Is Pence a sleazebag for being the guy who finally said yes to being his VP?
#61 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'll say yes if you do too. Is that how this game works?

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-09 05:17 PM | Reply

#61

See my 62 and start your own thread on that subject, I am done with your trolling.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-10-09 05:17 PM | Reply

"When he does something substantive that I disagree with (like the aborted health bills), you will hear about it."

He has to do it anew for you to spend a long weekend on "my, it's awful to have a man like Harvey Weinstein as President."

That's fine.

See you around.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 05:45 PM | Reply

Maury Chaykin brilliant portrayal of Harvey Weingard, clearly based on Weinstein, was one of the highlights of Entourage. You could see how sleazy this guy could really be.

I miss that show.

#66 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-10-09 07:40 PM | Reply

How deep does the taint extend?

#61 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

RoC's taint goes really deep ... youtu.be

#67 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-10-09 10:26 PM | Reply

pbs.twimg.com

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#68 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-10-10 06:07 AM | Reply

#68 I know! The donations are next.

#69 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-11 11:27 AM | Reply

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