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A 17-year-old Houston student was booted from her high school after refusing to stand for the daily Pledge of Allegiance, a federal lawsuit charges. India Landry had sat for the Pledge hundreds of times at Windfern High School without incident, she said. However, she was immediately shown the door by school Principal Martha Strother on Monday while in her office after declining to stand for the Pledge. ... India tells The News that she started sitting for the pledge in ninth grade. She said that "police brutality" and "Donald Trump being President" motivates her to do it, and she was surprised when she got in trouble for it. "I said I wouldn't, and they said you are kicked out of here," India told the Daily News. "The other woman said this isn't the NFL, you won't do this here."

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She said that "police brutality" and "Donald Trump being President" motivates her to do it,

So "Police Brutality" and "Hillary Clinton" ... no motivation ...

Thanks for playing ...

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-08 10:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--She said that "police brutality" and "Donald Trump being President" motivates her to do it,

I bet her parents are Democrat donors.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-08 10:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is incredibly sad. I wonder if kids will continue to think that open peaceful protest is a method for effecting political change?

I certainly hope they do. It will be hard for the next few years.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-08 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

One matters one doesn't. Take your pick.

#4 | Posted by Lohocla at 2017-10-08 11:00 PM | Reply

He may choose answer H

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-08 11:31 PM | Reply

The thing is most Right Wingers learn from the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and others.

Most true progressives on the other hand look to the likes of Ghandi, King and the Dali Lama.

There is more than one way to effect change. Speaking frankly the school will lose big on this.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-10-09 12:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The lawsuit against the Cypress Fairbanks ISD school district states that students cannot be forced to stand for the Pledge, and that the school had no right to kick out India.

Nicole Ray, a spokeswoman for the school district said she was not aware of the lawsuit and noted a "student will not be removed from campus for refusing to stand for the Pledge.

Why is it that these school administrators insist on doing stupid sh.. and costing the tax payers money? Perhaps if the money to pay these law suits came out of the administrator's budget, they would approach these sensitive situations with a bit more wisdom. As it is, you can muck up at will as long as someone else is paying the bill.

#7 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-09 05:49 AM | Reply

I know this school system well. Both of my wife's boys graduated from Cy-Fair ISD. This district is very large, very rich and very white. Educationally, it is one of the best districts in the country.

However, the invisible, and unspoken racist mystique still, even now, works there. Sure, they love everyone, as long as those racial, religious and cultural minorities do what they are told to do (i.e. what we do). It is the cross-roads between what east Texans really are and what they, incorrectly, like to think they are. It is white jesus suburbia, but the people there think they all live on a farm, even though another house is 10 feet from their house. They buy giant trucks with mud tires that never leave the pavement. They elect politicians who wear $1000 suits everyday, and worship at the altar of the oil companies, but once every few years they put on a flannel shirts and jeans and pointed-toe cowboy boots, so they can get elected to public office.

Even now, there is a slim, but shrinking, majority of knee-jerk right-wing fanaticism in the area, but they are fading, fighting, and even more determined than ever to keep the godless heathens of non-white, non-christian, non-conformist trash from upsetting their delicate situation.

They don't care if they have to pay-out for lawsuits like this, it is worth it to send a message to those ingrates who insist on living by the US constitution.

#8 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-10-09 06:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Nothing says you have freedom of speech like a high school saying you have to stand to pledge fealty to a piece of cloth.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-09 06:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

pledge fealty to a piece of cloth.

#9 | POSTED BY 726

or to an imaginary sky-fairy.

#10 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-10-09 08:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 08:14 AM | Reply

"The lawsuit also charges that India was told after she was expelled that "if your mom does not get here in five minutes the police are coming."

The principal needs to be fired. We do not put people in jail for refusing to say the stupid pledge of allegiance.

"Nothing says you have freedom of speech like a high school saying you have to stand to pledge fealty to a piece of cloth."

And don't forget the "God" you may or may not believe in.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-09 08:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Now I get why you're so ------- retarded..you get all your thoughts from memes.

#13 | Posted by Lohocla at 2017-10-09 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

is this a public high school or private?

if its private then they have the right.
if its public, then sue the crap out of them and waste that tax payer money.

Wasting money is the republican way. Fiscally conservative is a myth. And yes LOHOCLA Null is a dotard.. He is old and senile and has been drifting right for as long as i've been on this site. He used to call himself a liberal. Now he is just a joke.

#14 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-09 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"if its public, then sue the crap out of them and waste that tax payer money. "

It would not be the student suing that wasted taxpayer money, it would be the principal who expelled her without cause. The student is a victim of a person who thinks her political opinions should be enforceable with expulsion. She should be unemployable. Probably Walmart would have a job for such a fake patriot, that's not patriotism but it probably would sell at Walmart.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-09 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Walmart that sells US flags made in China?

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-09 09:26 AM | Reply

#11 You mean the same flag that the right cries over it's heritage about of a nation that was at war with the United States? The same nation whose "war memorials" didn't start getting erected until the Jim Crow era?

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-09 09:29 AM | Reply

Cy-Fair ISD is a public school district.

#18 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-10-09 09:36 AM | Reply

--Walmart that sells US flags made in China?

Do you shop at Walmart? Maybe you ought to burn all your made-in-China apparel and goods.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 09:45 AM | Reply

Do you shop at Walmart? Maybe you ought to burn all your made-in-China apparel and goods.

#19 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-10-09 09:45 AM | REPLY

Is Walmart where you get that grotesque Cheeto colored lip gloss you're wearing these days?

#20 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-10-09 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

ACLU should get involved. Only thing these totalitardians understand is having to pay up. And they will if this is challenged.

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-09 10:03 AM | Reply

--ACLU should get involved.

ACLU are white supremacists according to BLM.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 10:06 AM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS
#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Your support of the First Amendment is duly noted, comrades.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-09 10:29 AM | Reply

--ACLU should get involved.
ACLU are white supremacists according to BLM.

#22 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Why lie? If BLM believes that, show us.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-09 10:29 AM | Reply

"It would not be the student suing that wasted taxpayer money, it would be the principal who expelled her without cause"

agreed.. apologize if i wasn't clear, that was what i meant.

#25 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-10-09 10:30 AM | Reply

--Why lie? If BLM believes that, show us.

That was already documented on another thread, syco.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 10:31 AM | Reply

Do you shop at Walmart? Maybe you ought to burn all your made-in-China apparel and goods.

#19 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-10-09 09:45 AM | FLAG:

Do I? No. I don't. Thanks for playing.

Only thing these totalitardians understand is having to pay up.

#21 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2017-10-09 10:03 AM | FLAG:

Sadly it will not be the totalitardians that foot the bill.

#27 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-09 10:44 AM | Reply

Re: #22 - Not sure what that has to do with this but even if BLM were directly involved here the ACLU has historically put personal butthurt aside in choosing to do the right thing.

#28 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-09 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The ACLU defends white supremacists (which is consistent because the ACLU will defend ANY group's rights, regardless of how despicable the group's views are). Some in the BLM oppose that. Both groups (and the people within them) have the right to express their views and protest what they think is appropriate.

I have only seen one instance of BLM associated people protesting the ACLU, so it is a bit of a stretch to say the whole BLM thinks the ACLU are white supremacists.

But, you're just being a troll. Trying to widen divisions and pit people against each other. You figure that by breaking things and causing discord you can benefit. Similar to what Russia is doing to try to weaken the US. Though, I don't know why you think a divided and weakened US is to your benefit.

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-10-09 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The other woman said this isn't the NFL, you won't do this here."

Apparently this isn't America either.

When I was a school, we had to stand to say the pledge of allegiance, followed by a moment of silent prayer. Year after year, I would stand, place my hand over my heart, say the pledge, then fold my hands together at hip level and say a silent prayer. When I was a senior in high school, I stopped. I still stood up--I wasn't brave enough not to do that--but I didn't do any of the other stuff. I wasn't protesting anything as specific as police brutality. I was protesting what I considered to be mindless conformity. Doing things because you were told to, because it was expected of you, because you didn't want to be ostracized. Instead of doing them because you sincerely wanted to, because the things you were doing had meaning to you. I guess you could say I was going through an anti-authoritarian phase. I would stand today and place my hand over my heart, etc., but back then, it would have felt hypocritical to me to do so.

"My country right or wrong." Well, no. "My country right, and when it's not, try to make it better."

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 11:39 AM | Reply

Sorta' antithetical to the whole school/education ethos, ain't it

#31 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-09 12:27 PM | Reply

Gal,
You weren't really protesting, you were just limiting your participation.
I did the same thing; just going through the motions, once I got old enough.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 12:31 PM | Reply

#32 Yeah, good point. I was resisting, not protesting.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 12:34 PM | Reply

Attempting to resist mindless indoctrination, I'd say now.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-10-09 12:35 PM | Reply

Yeah I also wanted to actually protest, but simply making it through high school was enough for me to manage.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 12:37 PM | Reply

I have only seen one instance of BLM associated people protesting the ACLU, so it is a bit of a stretch to say the whole BLM thinks the ACLU are white supremacists.

There is no "whole BLM". People talk about BLM as if it were a hierarchical organization. It is not. It is a movement. There can be leaders (plural) in a movement, but there is no designated "head". I'm sure there are many varied opinions within BLM on a number of issues. The only thing they all have in common is their push for equality of treatment under the law. It is wrong to compare them to the KKK or the neo-Nazis because those groups advocate white supremacy. Neither BLM nor any other civil rights group I know of advocates black supremacy (with the possible exception of the Nation of Islam, i.e., "Black Muslims" at some point in time). The name is the problem (in the way that white folks perceive it). They should have called it what it really is: "Black Lives Matter, Too". The United States does not have a history of treating black lives as if they matter. From slavery to lynchings, to Jim Crow, to gerrymandering, to police killings, job and housing discrimination, blacks have been treated as if their lives matter less than white lives. If you can't see that, you are either ignorant of American history or just in denial.

#36 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-09 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--I have only seen one instance of BLM associated people protesting the ACLU, so it is a bit of a stretch to say the whole BLM thinks the ACLU are white supremacists.

It's consistent with their rhetoric nationwide.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-09 12:46 PM | Reply

I've always had a hard time trying to be consistent when it comes to school punishments.
They (schools) can dictate a ton of things students do hiding behind "distracting to a learning environment". No American flag shirts, no shirts with guns on them, no cinco de mayo shirts, and a whole list of crap we have discussed here that I have forgotten.

If the kid has been doing this hundreds of times then she knew well ahead of the rest of us that "trump" was going to win. Hell, she knew her freshman year apparently.

#38 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-10-09 12:48 PM | Reply

"It's consistent with their rhetoric nationwide."

You mean the fake BLM posts on Facebook that were crafted in Russia?
The ones you posted to prove BLM is a fascist organization?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 12:54 PM | Reply

No American flag shirts is actually in the flag code, so that one isn't completely out of left field.

You know what solves this problem and also promotes equality? School uniforms.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-09 12:55 PM | Reply

I know this school system well. Both of my wife's boys graduated from Cy-Fair ISD. This district is very large, very rich and very white. Educationally, it is one of the best districts in the country.
#8 | POSTED BY KUDZU

Im afraid you dont know this school system as well as you believe, seeing as you got 2 out of 3 of your demographic points wrong.

This ISD's demographic breakdown is 44.25% Hispanic, 27.09% White, 16.60% African American, 8.97% Asian, 2.39% Multi Racial, .53% Native American, & .09% Pacific Islander. Thats hardley very White.

The median income for 25y.o. to 44y.o. is $55,920 & the median home sale price is $147,223. Thats hardly very rich.

If this story is accurate then what happened was wrong, and her lawsuit will be settled but at this time the story is very lite on details.

#41 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-09 02:03 PM | Reply

It's consistent with their rhetoric nationwide.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I call BS.

Link (from other than a right-wing "fake news" source)?

#42 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-10-09 02:36 PM | Reply

Drawing a line in the sand.

#43 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-10-09 02:55 PM | Reply

Who's the idiot who came up with the headline? It appears they don't know the difference in The Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem?

#44 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2017-10-09 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Are you seriously so delusional you've missed the part where trump is actively supporting police brutality?

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-09 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ACLU are white supremacists according to BLM.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian

And nazis are "very fine people" according to the guy you spend all day defending and deflecting for.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-09 03:40 PM | Reply

If this story is true, the principal should face consequences. Thing is, we will never know if this is actually what went down. The school can not talk about disciplinary matters with regards to students. The student can say whatever she wants and the school will not be able to refute it, FERPA and all...

#47 | Posted by jwil72 at 2017-10-09 03:51 PM | Reply

I bet there were at least 50 kids violating flag etiquette who didn't get so much as a talking to.

When the flag is displayed on a car, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender

Don't use the flag as clothing.

Don't use the flag for decoration. Use bunting with the blue on top, then white, then red.

Want to bet some cars in the lot were flying stars and bars or the lone start flag?

#48 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-09 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Texas high school student suspended over American flag T-shirt

www.foxnews.com

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag. "They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

www.nbcbayarea.com

Oregon 8th grader suspended for wearing fallen soldier shirt

www.nydailynews.com

New York high school student suspended for NRA pro-2nd Amendment T-shirt

www.foxnews.com

8th Grader Arrested, Suspended for NRA ‘Protect Your Right' T-Shirt With Image of Gun

www.yahoo.com

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yada yada yada

#49 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 07:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Why lie? If BLM believes that, show us.
That was already documented on another thread, syco.

#26 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No, it wasn't.

What was documented was a few BLM members believe idiotic things. Not that BLM as an organization believes it.

#50 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-10 10:15 AM | Reply

The thing is most Right Wingers learn from the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and others.

Make things up all the time, do we?

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2017-10-10 02:11 PM | Reply

"Make things up all the time, do we?" - #51 | Posted by "cpl." boazo at 2017-10-10 02:11 PM

Why, yes you do, "cpl." boazo.

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 02:13 PM | Reply

"Hillary Clinton"
#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

*Drink*

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-10 02:26 PM | Reply

the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao

I'll take "Famous Socialists and Communists" for $300, Alex.

#54 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 02:38 PM | Reply

I'll take "Famous Socialists and Communists" for $300, Alex.

Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 02:38 PM | Reply

Hitler wasn't a socialist.

OOPSIE DAISY pudding pie kissed the girls and made them cryyyyyyyy

#55 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-10 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The dictator Adolf Hitler rose to power as leader of a political party, the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP for short). Germany during this period is also referred to as Nazi Germany. Nazism was also called National Socialism (German Nationalsozialismus)."

You not believing it doesn't make it false, Laura.

I get sort of tired constantly reposting this brief definition of fascism, but just for you:

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism -- "blood and soil" -- for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society's economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the "national interest" -- that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms.

Get it? Fascism is nationalist socialism. Racist, xenophobic, warlike nationalist socialism...but socialism nonetheless.

#56 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 03:37 PM | Reply

...but socialism nonetheless.
#56 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

That's like saying "but implemented by humans nonetheless."

Socialism had as much to do with Nazism as patriotism had to do with the Iraq War.

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-10 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Get it? Fascism is nationalist socialism. Racist, xenophobic, warlike nationalist socialism...but socialism nonetheless.

#56 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do get better educated upon the subject matter so next time you don't appear to be a cretin OK???

en.wikipedia.org

Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.[3]

The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[7]

Some aspects of fascist ideology have been identified with right-wing political parties: in particular, the fascist idea that superior persons should dominate society while undesirable elements should be purged, which in the case of Nazism resulted in genocide.[10] Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform in London, has distinguished between right-wing nationalist parties -- which are often described as far-right such as the National Front in France -- and fascism.[1] One issue is whether parties should be labelled radical or extreme,[11] a distinction that is made by the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany when determining whether or not a party should be banned. Another question is what the label "right" implies when it is applied to the extreme right, given the fact that many parties that were originally labeled right-wing extremist tended to advance neoliberal and free market agendas as late as the 1980s, but now advocate economic policies which are more traditionally associated with the left, such as anti-globalisation, nationalization and protectionism. One approach, drawing on the writings of Norberto Bobbio, argues that attitudes towards political equality are what distinguish the left from the right and they therefore allow these parties to be positioned on the right of the political spectrum.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-10 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#56

Still with the same BS...
"
The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[14"]"

en.wikipedia.org

Both in theory and in practice.

Of course, you prolly buh-lieve that the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is a democratic republic.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-10 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"...but socialism nonetheless." - #56 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-10 03:37 PM

I suppose there's a reason why you purposefully didn't cite that garbage.

You're probably one of those people who really believes that North Korea is a democratic republic.

#60 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-10 03:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's consistent with their rhetoric nationwide.
#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

There you have it. Nulli's done a nationwide, in depth, study of BLM, and has figured out their rhetoric.

Care to share some of your research with the rest of us?

Oh wait, what? You haven't done a nationwide study?

You're just a troll?

Okay then. Carry on.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-10 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Get it?
#56 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Oh yea. We get it.

You're a moron.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-10-10 04:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Whenever a student goes to the media about an issue in the public school, the public school should be allowed to defend the acccusation with facts of their own.

I hate one-sided disclosures like this.

I saw one of these years ago in my neck of the woods. The media came out and the school offered to provide all the details of the incident if the student would sign a statement allowing them to explain the issue - no signature. figures.

#63 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-10 04:21 PM | Reply

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