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Thursday, October 05, 2017

A Democratic proposal to ban a special accessory known as a bump stock, which allows semi-automatic guns to fire several hundred rounds a minute, is gaining unexpected support from Republicans in both chambers. It's the first time gun-control legislation has picked up significant Republican support since immediately after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in late 2012. Bump stocks were allegedly used by the gunman who killed 59 people at a Las Vegas concert Sunday. While some GOP members are backing the Democrat-sponsored measure, the effort has many hurdles to clear. To become law, it would have to be embraced by Republican leaders on Capitol Hill and President Trump, who was endorsed by the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA) last year.

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Rep. Bill Flores (Texas), a former Republican Study Committee chairman, was the first Republican in Congress to publicly endorse a ban on bump stocks.

"I think they should be banned. There's no reason for a typical gun owner to own anything that converts a semi-automatic to something that behaves like an automatic," Flores, a gun owner, told The Hill in an interview just off the House floor. ...

Flores was joined by several House Republican moderates, including Reps. Charlie Dent (Pa.), Ryan Costello (Pa.), Leonard Lance (N.J.) and Pete King (N.Y.), in saying it should be banned.

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"Persuading Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) to schedule a vote on legislation banning bump stocks could be difficult, however.

Until Sunday's mass shooting in Nevada, House Republican leaders were planning to advance a gun-rights bill. The Sportsmen's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act would loosen restrictions on silencers and armor-piercing ammunition, two proposals strongly opposed by gun-control advocates.

Ryan said Tuesday that the bill is now off the schedule.

In the Senate, Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) on Wednesday said that he too would support banning bump stocks.

He views the relatively cheap accessory, which costs between $140 and $300, as a loophole to the 1986 law that heavily restricted the sale and possession of machine guns.

"The fact that fully-automatic weapons are already illegal and this makes another weapon capable [of automatic fire], I would be supportive of that," Johnson said when asked Wednesday about a proposed bump-stock ban.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, is spearheading the plan and circulated a summary of it at a lunch meeting with Democratic colleagues Tuesday.

The proposal appears to have as much early momentum as the bill to expand background checks that came to the Senate floor in the wake of the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut.

That measure narrowly failed by a vote of 54 to 46 -- six votes short of the number needed to end a filibuster.

Since then, gun-control legislation has had little momentum in Congress.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), however, hasn't shown any appetite to jump immediately into a debate over gun-control legislation.

"The investigation has not even been completed, and I think it's premature to be discussing legislative solutions if there are any," he told reporters Tuesday.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) questioned whether McConnell would allow votes on gun-control legislation.

Senate Democrats could try to force a vote on bump-stock restrictions, background checks and other measures during the wide-open vote-a-rama that accompanies the budget resolution, which is due to come to the floor later this month.

Trump this week has indicated a willingness to discuss gun laws, but has said now is not the time. On the campaign trail last year, Trump went against the NRA by backing bipartisan legislation that would prevent people suspected of terrorist ties from buying or owning guns. Since winning the election, he hasn't called on Congress to act on the bill.

Trump this week has indicated a willingness to discuss gun laws, but has said now is not the time.

On the campaign trail last year, Trump went against the NRA by backing bipartisan legislation that would prevent people suspected of terrorist ties from buying or owning guns. Since winning the election, he hasn't called on Congress to act on the bill."

"now is not the time."

What wingnuts always say.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-04 11:29 PM | Reply

Since there's 25 gun murders a day, and 50 suicides, it seems like from someone's point of view, it's never going to be the right time....

Oh. I get it.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 So long as the money keeps flowing into their pockets, there will never be the right time.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-10-05 07:48 AM | Reply

human ingenuity strikes again. learned this one yesterday, you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK does the exact same effect. you need a used tire, tin snips, and 10 minutes.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-10-05 08:11 AM | Reply

"...you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK does the exact same effect. you need a used tire, tin snips, and 10 minutes." - #4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-10-05 08:11 AM

It takes less time to saw off a shotgun.

Your point seems to be that if it is easy to do, then why bother.

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2017-10-05 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK"

Did this shooter have an AK?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 10:58 AM | Reply

Just because robbery is illegal doesn't mean nobody does it or that it is that difficult a crime to commint. We have laws declaring it a crime so that when it is committed the perp can be punished, and to deter others from doing the same thing.

Sitz willfully misses the point when he points that it may be easy to modify a gun to have a bump stock. The reason for banning it is so that if someone does have a bump stock and we catch them they can be punished. And also to discourage the general citizenry from having them also. It is not complicated unless one wants to obfuscate the issue.

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-05 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If the Republicans slow it down enough, the wackos will buy all the inventory to make sure that bump stocks are available to all mass shooters who want them.

#8 | Posted by montecore at 2017-10-05 11:49 AM | Reply

human ingenuity strikes again. learned this one yesterday, you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK does the exact same effect. you need a used tire, tin snips, and 10 minutes.

#4 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

There's a big difference between an aftermarket jerry rig and an aftermarket accessory.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-05 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

good article on huffpost showing several mods available to an ar15...auto fire, flash suppressors
silencers including receiver blanks that just need a minimal amount of machining to make it
full auto....hundreds of thousands of those AR's are out there.

I'll bet a dime to a donut that this guy ends up having ties to one of the western white guy orgs

#10 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 12:20 PM | Reply

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(CNSNews.com) - On June 7, 2010 -- about a year and a half into the Barack Obama administration -- the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued an opinion letter, giving the go-ahead to an after-market accessory that allows the user to "bump fire" a semi-automatic rifle.

A company called Slide Fire had earlier sent its patented replacement shoulder stock to ATF's Firearms Technology Branch, asking for an evaluation of the device.

The ATF, in reply, wrote: "Your letter advises that the stock (referenced in this reply as a ‘bump stock') is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility to ‘bump fire' an AR-15 type rifle."

The device replaces the factory stock and grip. The replacement stock moves back and forth with the gun's recoil, allowing it to fire rapidly and continuously as the trigger repeatedly is bumped into the shooter's finger. A switch allows the user to select semi-automatic fire (one shot for each trigger pull) or the more rapid "bump fire."

#11 | Posted by homerj at 2017-10-05 12:24 PM | Reply

#11 So much for that Obama was after your guns meme ehhhhhhhhhhh????

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-10-05 12:30 PM | Reply

Guess I better buy one before they're banned

#13 | Posted by Will123 at 2017-10-05 01:02 PM | Reply

human ingenuity strikes again. learned this one yesterday, you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK does the exact same effect. you need a used tire, tin snips, and 10 minutes.

#4 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Yeah, and if we pass a decent bill, you can be arrested for either as opposed to now.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-05 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Vegas shooter could have done just as much damage with an assortment of knives!

Sincerely,

Gun Lunatics

#15 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-05 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...and a bunch of car antennas.

#16 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-10-05 02:01 PM | Reply

Yeah, and if we pass a decent bill, you can be arrested for either as opposed to now.

#14 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-10-05 01:30 PM | REPLY

Millions have proliferated, they'll become pre-ban grandfathered items because you can't confiscate those millions without waging an actual War On Guns. There is no registry of even where to begin. Beyond that, you can just 3D print them now.

The intention is good, but it's naive to think you can implement it and it have any sort of effect on a pre-planned mass shooting.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-10-05 02:02 PM | Reply

A realistic approach is they get added to the NFA list. They're not right now because in 2010 an Obama ATF appointee said it wasn't worth doing. Adding via legislation will grandfather in what's out there on a pre-ban market and that's the most likely outcome if there is any legislation at all.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-10-05 02:04 PM | Reply

Lets take the republican meme to its logical conclusion. Since laws against murder don't stop every murder lets get rid of the criminal code altogether. The cost to people not being able to walk into a bank and take money at will is very high.

After all we cant have pollution laws because not being able to polllute is too costly for businesses

#19 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-05 02:05 PM | Reply

Seriously? Banning something the nobody even new existed a week ago? That's the solution? Are we going to get serious on gun control or not? Judging by this piece of massive legislation, not. Sad.

#20 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-10-05 02:17 PM | Reply

Somehow even with the first amendment, lots of supply and the ability to make it at home, we still manage to make kiddie porn illegal and prosecute it without some War on Porn. How is it impossible to do the same with unacceptable weapons/mods? Because ----------- outnumber KPers, are not embarrassed by their hobby and use their vocal minority power to influence primaries.
And yes, I am equating extreme ----------- with KP watchers.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2017-10-05 02:35 PM | Reply

Bottom Line: The republicans will allow passage of a ban on bump stocks so they can say they did something after Vegas but wont entertain any legislation that can actually reduce or prevent gun crime

#22 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-10-05 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is the "bump stock" one of those "scary attachments" the ----------- claim has no bearing on the use of a firearm in the hands of a lawful gun owner?

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-05 03:37 PM | Reply

"claim has no bearing on the use of a firearm in the hands of a lawful gun owner?"

Would they be wrong to claim that?

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-10-05 03:38 PM | Reply

"----------- claim has no bearing on the use of a firearm"

See Also: Russian hacking had no bearing on the election.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 03:40 PM | Reply

Seriously? Banning something the nobody even new existed a week ago? That's the solution? Are we going to get serious on gun control or not? Judging by this piece of massive legislation, not. Sad.

#20 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

Feinstein knew they existed in 2013. That is when she proposed a bill to ban them (among other assault-weapon type things). Big surprise... it didn't pass. But I guess Feinstein is much more informed about guns than Republicans or even the NRA, right?

#26 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-10-05 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

human ingenuity strikes again. learned this one yesterday, you don't need a bump stock anymore, a single strip of rubber in an AK does the exact same effect. you need a used tire, tin snips, and 10 minutes.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Then AKs shouldnt be legal.

Nothing that can be converted to do what happened in vegas should be legal.

The only reason repubs are open to this MINUSCULE regulation is because their masters in the NRA allowed them to be, so they can appear to be human beings, while voting to legalize silencers and make murder less noisy.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-05 05:42 PM | Reply

"Conservative media is coming out against banning 'bump stocks' used in Las Vegas shooting

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House Speaker Paul Ryan on Thursday joined a number of Republicans saying they are open to potentially regulating or banning the "bump stocks" found in the hotel room of the shooter in Las Vegas earlier this week, which left at least 59 dead and about 500 wounded.

But many conservative media outlets, which often mirror sentiments among the base and help stoke action, aren't convinced.

The Wall Street Journal editorial board dismissed the argument that gun control -- and banning bump stocks specifically -- would stop mass shootings, writing that the practice of bumping a trigger manually with one's finger "long predates bump stocks or other accessories."

Other sites more aligned with the conservative grassroots went further.

Breitbart News has run several articles in the last several days criticizing Republicans for considering legislation to ban the gun modifications.

In a headline on the site on Thursday, Breitbart framed an Associated Press story about GOP leaders considering a bump stock ban as a "widespread cave," while the top story on the site described White House counselor Kellyanne Conway as "weak" for telling CNN that the administration is open to a gun control conversation.

Moreover, Breitbart Second Amendment columnist AWR Hawkins wrote that eliminating them would be part of a "typical leftist war on the poor."

"A ban on bump-stock devices takes away the $200 device poorer citizens can buy to at least pretend to be shooting the real machines they will never be able to afford," Hawkins wrote.

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#28 | Posted by Corky at 2017-10-05 06:16 PM | Reply

All gun owners need is a bolt action rifle, double barrel shotgun, and a six-shooter.

That's plenty of bang bang.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-05 10:11 PM | Reply

what possible rationale for the armour piercing shells?

#30 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 11:32 PM | Reply

what possible rationale for the armour piercing shells?

It's about how they're classified.

SEC. 1602. ELIMINATION OF AUTHORITY TO RECLASSIFY POPULAR RIFLE AMMUNITION AS "ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION".
Section 921(a)(17) of title 18, United States Code, is amended --

(1) in subparagraph (B)(i), by striking "may be used" and inserting "is designed and intended by the manufacturer or importer for use";

(2) in subparagraph (B)(ii), by inserting "by the manufacturer or importer" before "for use"; and

(3) in subparagraph (C), by striking "the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes" and inserting "is primarily intended by the manufacturer or importer to be used in a rifle or shotgun, a handgun projectile that is designed and intended by the manufacturer or importer to be used for hunting, recreational, or competitive shooting".

www.congress.gov

Many hunting rifles can penetrate armor when using ammunition commonly used for hunting because a. they have hardened penetrator tips to cause expansion of the bullet upon hitting the target and b. the velocity of the round is high enough.

For example:

www.midwayusa.com

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-06 09:14 AM | Reply

"what possible rationale for the armour piercing shells?"

Protecting your home against invaders with armor?

This is the lovely thing about the gun debate.
It makes its own gravy.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-06 11:24 AM | Reply

Since most crimes are committed at night, curfews should be mandatory nationwide.

#33 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-10-06 12:21 PM | Reply

a guy on the daily show said, " NFL players, at the game this sunday when they play the anthem

don't kneel...raise an AR15 in the air...and we'll have gun control in a week." LOL

#34 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-06 09:50 PM | Reply

Nothing that can be converted to do what happened in vegas should be legal. - #27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-10-05 05:42 PM

COnverting a shovel into working AK

You are the opinion that we should outlaw metal?

#35 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-07 11:26 AM | Reply

wow...I guess I shifted my 'of' into a capital 'O'. Sorry.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-07 11:27 AM | Reply

"In this instance, I'm hitting on some deep insecurities about the rationality of the glCOnverting a shovel into working AK"

Thank you for the dumbest argument on any topic ever presented here. Don't know why exactly but I always knew you could do it. Real people are murdered, hundreds wounded and you prestent that stupidity as a reason to allow it to happen again. Your stupidity borders on psychopathy. Take your meds stupid.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-07 11:32 AM | Reply

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