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Thursday, October 05, 2017

There are nearly twice as many guns in the average gun-owning household today as there were 20 years ago, according to new Wonkblog estimates based data from surveys and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. In 2013, there were an estimated 8.1 firearms in the typical gun-owning household, according to these data. In 1994, the average gun-owning household owned 4.2 guns. These numbers comport with what survey research has shown for several years now: the share of gun-owning households has been declining over the past 20 years and possibly more, according to numbers from Gallup and the General Social Survey.

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[A] 2006 study found that the top 20 percent of gun owners owned 65 percent of America's firearms. The top 3 percent of gun owners averaged over 25 firearms each.

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Yup. They are a regular army all on their own. Now all these cretins need is to grow six more arms

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-03 10:46 PM | Reply

The percentage of U.S. households with guns has been trending downward for years. However, gun-owning households have more firearms than they used to -- 8 on average vs 4 in 1994 -- so the number of guns in the U.S. has actually gone up...

Posted by lamplighter
LOL
How is that working in Chicago?
You mean the percentage of legally owned firearms is falling. Just like the percentage of legal citizens thanks to sanctuary Cities!

#2 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-03 10:53 PM | Reply

LOL
How is that working in Chicago?
You mean the percentage of legally owned firearms is falling. Just like the percentage of legal citizens thanks to sanctuary Cities!

Stream of Alt-White Consciousess, Internet post, 2017.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-03 10:58 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by snoofy
Really, am I wrong?
Do you realize the State om Massachusetts lost a State Rep last Census cycle even though there population has gone up?
Illegals can't register. This is why Libs want the Illegals to be able to vote. They will lose congress.

#4 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-03 11:08 PM | Reply

Why is this news? It's been like that for years, at least the past 8 when panic buys sky rocketed.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-03 11:08 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by jpw
Barack Hussein Obama.
Saved the firearms industry!

#6 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-03 11:10 PM | Reply

This is why Libs want the Illegals to be able to vote -fed

They don't even need to be eligible to vote to make a difference. It's Insanity.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-03 11:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#2 LOL
How is that working in Chicago?
You mean the percentage of legally owned firearms is falling. Just like the percentage of legal citizens thanks to sanctuary Cities!

Did you look at the site I cited and the subsequent sources of data that were sourced?

Or are you just relying upon your 'monsters under the bed' fears of your childhood to come to the opinion in the comment you posted?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-10-04 12:05 AM | Reply

They don't even need to be eligible to vote to make an insignificant difference. It's anticipated.
#7 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

fixed that.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-04 12:30 AM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Incorrectly....

Cali has 4-5 reps due to illegal immigrants.

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-04 12:32 AM | Reply

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"They don't even need to be eligible to vote to make a difference. It's Insanity."

Amend the Constitution then.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-04 06:23 AM | Reply

Article needs some clarification. The percentage of households who ADMIT they have firearms has fallen. If a stranger called me at my house and asked if I owned firearms, I would tell them "no". What benefit is there to someone who says "yes"? The only people who would want that information are people who want to take them away, one way or another.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-04 08:38 AM | Reply

"What benefit is there to someone who says "yes"?

So now you are telling people to lie about owning guns.
If gun owners are comfortable being liars, I have to ask what else are they hiding?
Got any Confederate flags you'd not like us to know about? ;)

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-04 11:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

virtually everyone i know owns firearms, rural kansas after all, 98% fall into two groups
hunters and gun nuts. the gun nuts preferences in video games and movies...the more violent
the better...the guys are usually misogynists and the women are nuts. racist and anti-gov

#14 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 12:31 PM | Reply

The percentage of households who ADMIT they have firearms has fallen.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-04 08:38 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Just like the percentage of Republican women who admit they've had abortions has fallen.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2017-10-05 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have never owned a gun. I do not want to own a gun. I never will own a gun.

I believe real men don't need to own a gun. Real men can deal with scary situations and the dangers of modern day life without recourse to a gun. I believe most men (but not all men) who own or collect guns are probably cowards at worst and paranoid at best. I believe the only gun a private citizen should be allowed to own is a hunting rifle. Other than hunting and sport shooting there is no legitimate reason in this day and age why a private citizen should have a gun.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-05 01:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

there is no legitimate reason in this day and age why a private citizen should have a gun.
#16 | POSTED BY MODER8

same reason some people are addicted to porn

#17 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 01:53 PM | Reply

What if one operates a business that is the frequent target of robberies?

#18 | Posted by Sully at 2017-10-05 01:53 PM | Reply

Got any Confederate flags you'd not like us to know about? ;)

#13 | Posted by snoofy

Still beating your significant other because they answer your questions with questions?

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-05 02:03 PM | Reply

So now you are telling people to lie about owning guns.

#13 | Posted by snoofy

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. If I got a phone call asking me if I owned a gun, I'd give them an emphatic 'no'. I'd do the same if someone called asking me if I had a home security system, if I kept large quantities of gold and jewels in the house, if I was going on vacation anytime soon.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-10-05 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 | Posted by moder8

LOL get it all out, tough guy. Then have a good cry, some warm milk and a nap.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2017-10-05 02:05 PM | Reply

The one thing that really annoys me about the "gun debate" is this simple question: Why does the combustion of smokeless powder smell like the farts arising from the digestion of old, stale beef jerky? Oxidation of nitrocellulose?

#22 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-10-05 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22; Sulphur

#23 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-05 02:13 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY ABLOCK

That constitutes using your balls while ----------- are making up for lack of balls.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-10-05 02:14 PM | Reply

"Still beating your significant other because they answer your questions with questions?"

Well I tried to shoot my SO but the car antenna gave me second thoughts.

Mustang's comment is not a reason to invalidate the survey results. I'm sure you and I both know that, and are just having some fun.

Not as much fun as attaching a bump stock to a gun and getting that "fully automatic" feeling but we take what we can get.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 02:21 PM | Reply

go to "hickock45" site on youtube...older white man...this is a great example of something

that i don't understand, like you moder8. he just giggles and laughs while firing his guns.

talks about them being good looking or ugly...lets take out a bad guy, is a favorite saying

before he cuts loose and then just laughs his ass off. like i said it's just like porn to these guys

#26 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 02:37 PM | Reply

You really don't understand boys and their toys?

Every gun nut here will tell you their guns ain't never killed nobody.

They shoot them for kicks.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 02:43 PM | Reply

They shoot them for kicks.
#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

and every rapist, when caught, says they started out watching porn...mass shootings aren't

the first time the shooter picked up a gun

#28 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 02:49 PM | Reply

And that "boys and their toys" chestnut shows just how divorced from reality as a society

we are. to conflate toys and guns that will kill you would, in a different scenario, cause the

court appointed shrink who was doing your evaluation, to recommend that maybe you need

to spend some more "supervised time"

#29 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-10-05 02:55 PM | Reply

#16 Moder8: I believe real men don't need to own a gun. Real men can deal with scary situations and the dangers of modern day life without recourse to a gun.

No offense intended, but until you deal with violent, unpredictable criminals up close and personal, you don't know what you are talking about. Pointing a loaded firearm at such individuals will very often (IMO) be the only way to deter them from practicing their trade.

#30 | Posted by AKat at 2017-10-05 04:32 PM | Reply

Illegals can't register. This is why Libs want the Illegals to be able to vote. They will lose congress.

#4 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

Get back on your meds, please.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-05 05:45 PM | Reply

No offense intended, but until you deal with violent, unpredictable criminals up close and personal, you don't know what you are talking about. Pointing a loaded firearm at such individuals will very often (IMO) be the only way to deter them from practicing their trade.

#30 | POSTED BY AKAT

You live in a movie fantasy land. This type of scenario is so incredibly rare. Its ridiculous. Although the NRA talking point lets us know who has zero common sense when it comes to guns.

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-05 05:47 PM | Reply

"to conflate toys and guns"

I loosely define toys here as things it's fun to play with.

Shooting guns is fun. Thus, guns as toys.

Fast cars are fun too. And they can kill too. But this doesn't mean they're not toys.

At the pinnacle of fast cars, and their owners, we have the racing of fast cars by the best drivers, and sometimes Danica Patrick too. That's a sport which many find fun to watch. Many also find shooting events fun to watch. So, that's entertainment, just like toys are entertainment on a more personal scale. I'm a big fan of the modern heptathlon. Actually I just wanted to use the word heptathlon in a sentence.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#16 Moder8: I believe real men don't need to own a gun. Real men can deal with scary situations and the dangers of modern day life without recourse to a gun.

Belief, as a casual stroll through the asylum shows is meaningless.
Rational beings don't fetishize nor impute psychological import to objects.
As Orwell observed there is no such thing as keeping out of politics & asking if one owns firearms is a political question.

#34 | Posted by kingcuke at 2017-10-05 09:41 PM | Reply

"Rational beings don't fetishize nor impute psychological import to objects."

Burn any flags lately?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-05 10:53 PM | Reply

Cali has 4-5 reps due to illegal immigrants.
#10 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Link up butter cup.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-10-06 12:48 AM | Reply

Macky linked that one about six weeks ago. Some anti-immigration "think tank" for lack of a better term figured out what Congressional apportionment would look like if we only counted "citizens" instead of "persons" as it says in the Constitution. Texas Florida and Nevada get one extra Representative in the House; California gets five. I didn't check their math, but the concept is simple enough.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-06 11:23 AM | Reply

The one thing that really annoys me about the "gun debate" is this simple question: Why does the combustion of smokeless powder smell like the farts arising from the digestion of old, stale beef jerky? Oxidation of nitrocellulose?

#22 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

Because gunnuts are constantly pooing in their pants threatened by those voices in their heads.

#38 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-10-06 11:34 AM | Reply

Other than hunting and sport shooting there is no legitimate reason in this day and age why a private citizen should have a gun.

#16 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2017-10-05 01:46 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 2: I guess you must live in a gated community with a police station just a half mile away, unlike the majority of us.

#39 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-06 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The total number of households has doubled from about 63 million in 1970 to nearly 126 million in 2016. During the same period, the total population has increased by 100 million people (about 50 percent growth). Conversely, data on the average size of U.S. households shows that households tend to be getting smaller. In 2016, the average household size stood at 2.53 persons per unit, down from 3.14 in 1970.

Larger number of single parent situations has caused a faster growth in 'households' than in population. If the households grow faster than the population, but the ratio of gun-owners to population remains the same, then the reported decrease of gun-owners per household is simple mathematics.

You live in a movie fantasy land. This type of scenario is so incredibly rare. Its ridiculous. - #32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-10-05 05:47 PM

Would you say self-defense uses of firearms are more or less common than uses of firearms to commit mass murder?

#40 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-10-06 02:13 PM | Reply

MSGT, I live in a small town. I tell you in complete honesty that I only have 3 neighbors living nearby. One is a black family. One is a Pakistani family. And one is Latino.

The point is only a coward, or an insecure person with a micro-dick feels the need to own a gun. I have never had anyone threaten or even approach me or household in a threatening manner. And given my profession, I am very well known among the criminal element, the mentally ill and the homeless.

In fact, as I posted last week, we currently have an elderly homeless lady living with us while she get re-situated.

It is right wing cowards like you who are scared of the unknown Stranger that make this world such a cold place. I look at people such as yourself with a disdainful smirk. You think you know something about 'the real world', and you don't. You just don't.

#41 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-10-06 02:14 PM | Reply

I would like to see insurance companies include a risk premium in homeowner polices for those households with guns just as they include a risk premium for households with aggressive dogs. The more guns you have in the household, the bigger the risk premium.

#42 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-10-06 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I guess you must live in a gated community with a police station just a half mile away"

how many times have you had to fight your way out of your house?

#43 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-10-06 03:46 PM | Reply

Wow, Federalist went off his meds today. Better alert your nurse, Fed.

#44 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-10-06 09:40 PM | Reply

Cali has 4-5 reps due to illegal immigrants.
#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-10-04 12:32 AM

Back up that baseless assertion with a link of fact or don't dare come back. Enough is enough. I will throw this in your face for every future post.
Trump may have brainwashed you, but I am going to throw that back at you. This is your car antenna moment.

#45 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-10-06 09:43 PM | Reply

--Back up that baseless assertion with a link of fact or don't dare come back. Enough is enough.

What are you going to do about it, tough guy? lol

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-10-06 09:44 PM | Reply

meanwhile in chicago they are stacking about the same amount of dead bodies per month as this one event in LV. GUns don't kill people do....Islam doesn't kill - people do....gangs don't kill - gang members do.

crime.chicagotribune.com

are we still looking for paddock's motive?

I like my sushi and it better be COMPED!

#47 | Posted by mutant at 2017-10-06 10:45 PM | Reply

people who own killer dawgs like pittbulls better be pro 2A

#48 | Posted by mutant at 2017-10-06 10:47 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2017-10-06 02:14 PM | FLAG: Goody for you, unfortunately not everyone is as 'secure' as you. I stopped hunting decades ago, do enjoy target shooting, but most importantly I keep loaded weapons in my residence for self defense. I live outside of town and the route to our house, in the country, comes right through an unsavory area where there have been a few shootings [drug related, according to the news. You may personally not feel the need to be able to defend yourself [as life insurance is all you want], but there are those of of who may want to live/survive a home invasion.

Addendum: My younger brother was a MD 'County Mountie' decades ago and he was the one who explained to me that he could not be there to defend/protect someone from a crime; rather all he could do is arrive after an attempt tand try to ascertain who the 'perp' was. ONLY you can defend your& yours when TSHTF!

#49 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-10-07 12:06 AM | Reply

The point is only a coward, or an insecure person with a micro-dick feels the need to own a gun. I have never had anyone threaten or even approach me or household in a threatening manner.

#41 | POSTED BY MODER8 A

Has it ever occurred to you that this is the reason you've never felt a need to own a gun?

I hate guns. They terrify me. Yet, I considered acquiring one when I worked nights for 5 years. It wasn't for me, it was for my family. My boys were very young at the time. My wife was in the house alone with them and our dog was getting up there in age. Even though we live in a very safe neighborhood I agonized over this a bit. At one point, I forced a conversation with my wife about this. We ultimately decided against gun ownership.

My point is, I think you are being very solipsistic on the issue of gun ownership.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-10-07 01:39 AM | Reply

"We ultimately decided against gun ownership."

So what's your point?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-07 02:15 AM | Reply

I think you are being very solipsistic on the issue of gun ownership.

I think your word choice is too kind. For me it is the sheer arrogance, the dripping condescension of one that arrogates unto himself the audacity to tell another how they should prepare to defend themselves.

#52 | Posted by et_al at 2017-10-07 03:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#50

Similar thing happened with us. My wife was working nights in a strip mall just the wrong side of the tracks, not horrible but a bit shady meanwhile my son got involved with a wanna be gang banger at school. We had a very long conversation about getting a gun we even picked out the one we thought was best. We never did "pull the trigger" though. I did end up getting my wife a hand held taser though.

I work with a couple guys who are multiple gun owners. One has several he keeps them in a gun safe and only uses them on weekends he has a bump stock (first time I heard about them was over a year ago from him) but he doesn't often use it because it wastes ammo, he and his wife make great money so for him it really is a toy, he grew up with guns and just enjoys shooting. He owns a nice hunk of land and built an earth berm backstop away from the house so he could shoot safely. He also happens to be a pot smoking later day hippie liberal.

Another guy only has a few guns cause he is broke. He is constantly shopping for accessories though but he can almost never afford to buy them. Whenever he gets a few spare bucks you can bet he gets a new accessory for his gun. He sleeps with a gun by his bed, pretty typical "this is my rifle this is my gun" ex-military kind of guy. He also happens to be a trump supporter.

Y'all who want to make generalizations need to come to the new south. We will both confirm and break your stereotypes at the same time.

#53 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-10-07 07:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#52 etal,

Isn't it wonderful to live in a society where you must prepare to defend yourself with guns? Who needs a stinking courtroom anyway, we all know they're too expensive.

#54 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-07 07:37 AM | Reply

#54 | Posted by bayviking
By the time you make it too the courtroom someone is dead.
I hope it is never you or your family.

#55 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-07 09:57 AM | Reply

TAO once threatened to run for Congress or perhaps just the State Legislature, I'm still waiting and hoping for that to happen. I probably don't agree on every issue with him but I know he would be a voice for the working poor, he understands what they face in everyday life, America would benefit by hearing his voice and I would support him with small contributions. He is who we need in Congress, not the reps of various lobbies, we need a people's lobby. Perhaps that is the answer to many of our problems with our government, we need a people's lobby. Deal me in.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-07 10:22 AM | Reply

"I think your word choice is too kind. For me it is the sheer arrogance, the dripping condescension of one that arrogates unto himself the audacity to tell another how they should prepare to defend themselves."

Dripping condescension? If only you had a mirror.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2017-10-07 10:24 AM | Reply

sarcasm fed, sarcasm

#58 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-07 10:53 AM | Reply

Most guns keep there value and increase in price over time, guns are like gold, silver or any other commodity that raise in value. My father taught me at a young age if you want to keep value in you money buy guns.

As much as some don't like it, guns are an investment. And fun to plink with for fun.

#59 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-10-07 10:54 AM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#60 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-10-07 11:00 AM | Reply

As much as some don't like it, guns are an investment. And fun to plink with for fun.

One or the other but not both. And "investment" gun loses almost all it's value after the first shot.

And you won't convince me that buying one of the dime-a-dozen AR clones on the shelves today is going to be a serious investment.

#61 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-10-07 11:38 AM | Reply

"the dripping condescension of one that arrogates unto himself the audacity to tell another how they should prepare to defend themselves."

What's the term for a society that can't mitigate the risk which makes us 10x more likely to be murdered by a gun at a nightclub or concert in America than anywhere else in the modern world?

How would you have me prepare to defend myself from that risk?

Did you find the advice "get small" not dripping with condescension???

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-07 01:40 PM | Reply

"By the time you make it too the courtroom someone is dead."

Because the Second Amendment makes it so easy for anyone to get a gun.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-10-07 01:50 PM | Reply

#63 | Posted by snoofy
Really ? How easy is it to get a gun legally where you live?
Because if you ban guns people will only get the guns illegally!
Like they do now in all the Sanctuary Cities.

#64 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-10-07 03:53 PM | Reply

I haven't purchased a gun since before Obama became President. When that happened, the pant pissing ----------- drove the prices of firearms and ammo up so far beyond their value that it's just not worth it.

I find it funny though.. I do know a few fanatics that will spend their entire paycheck on ammo, but they can't seem to pay their rent.

#65 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-10-07 04:05 PM | Reply

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