Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, September 25, 2017

Tom Brady said he believes President Donald Trump's comments about NFL players are "divisive" and on Monday said he supports those NFL players who are protesting during the national anthem. "Yeah, I certainly disagree with what (Trump) said. I thought it was just divisive," he told Kirk and Callahan on Boston's WEEI Monday in his most extensive comments on the subject. ... A series of high-profile athletes -- including NBA stars Stephen Curry and LeBron James -- condemned Trump's remarks throughout the weekend, and the President responded in a series of critical tweets. By Sunday, dozens of NFL players were kneeling or locking arms during the national anthem prior to games.

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Funny. Tom Brady gets it but the Conservatives on the Retort don't...

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Brady werks with lots of black people, and he's at least semi-lucid.

Trump not so much of either.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-25 12:23 PM | Reply

Of course Tom Brady 'gets it'. You can not live and work on a daily basis with people of other races and backgrounds and not 'get it'. You may reject it, but you will 'get it'.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-25 12:28 PM | Reply


Note to Pres Trump:   If you feel you have to explicitly state that your comments were not about racism, then you've lost the larger argument.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-09-25 12:29 PM | Reply

Trump is divisive.

Way to state the obvious.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 12:32 PM | Reply

Trump is divisive.
Way to state the obvious.

#5 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He was being diplomatic.

But did you miss the part where he supporters the guys protesting?

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 12:51 PM | Reply

Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva has highest-selling gear in past 24 hours - www.espn.com

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-09-25 12:52 PM | Reply

Villanueva, 29, played college football at West Point, graduating with a degree in systems engineering, according to the Philadelphia Eagles, who signed him in May 2014 before cutting him in August of that year.

During his military career, Villanueva served three tours in Afghanistan and became an Army Ranger, the team said. He is a recipient of the Bronze Star medal for overseas service and the Bronze Star medal for valor.

What has he said about controversial former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick?

"I don't know if the most effective way is to sit down during the national anthem with a country that's providing you freedom, providing you $16 million a year ... when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for less than $20,000 a year," Villanueva told ESPN in 2016. "It's his decision. Obviously he has brought up the issue in a great way. But I think if he encourages other players or other people in the stands to sit down, it's going to send the wrong message."

"I will be the first one to hold hands with Colin Kaepernick and do something about the way minorities are being treated in the United States, the injustice that is happening with police brutality, the justice system, inequalities in pay," the veteran told the outlet. "You can't do it by looking away from the people that are trying to protect our freedom and our country."

www.foxnews.com

Should he so choose, this is an opportunity for Villanueva to get a bigger discussion about minority inequality and patriotism going, since he sees both sides of the issue.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-25 01:04 PM | Reply

"I will be the first one to hold hands with Colin Kaepernick and do something about the way minorities are being treated in the United States, the injustice that is happening with police brutality, the justice system, inequalities in pay," the veteran told the outlet.

If he does that, will his gear still be as in demand? I'd like to think so, but I have my doubts.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-25 01:06 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I find that interesting because Conservatives keep claiming that politics has no place in sports. But, the Steelers decided as a team that they did not wanted to avoid making a political statement, one way or the other, so they weren't going to come out until after the anthem. But, Villanueva decided he DID want to make a statement and came out anyways. And the (probably conservative) public rewarded him for it.

The fact is that Conservatives don't want to keep politics out of sports. They want to keep OPPOSING politics out of sports. They are snowflakes. They see sports as their "safe space" where only their political views are allowed and get all in a tizzy when someone mentions politics that they don't agree with, causing them to get "triggered" in their "safe space".

#10 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-09-25 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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"I will be the first one to hold hands with Colin Kaepernick and do something about the way minorities are being treated in the United States, the injustice that is happening with police brutality, the justice system, inequalities in pay," the veteran told the outlet.
If he does that, will his gear still be as in demand? I'd like to think so, but I have my doubts.

#9 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2017-09-25 01:06 PM |

Kaepernick's Jersey is still the #39 top seller (out of almost 1200) and he isn't even on a team.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-25 01:12 PM | Reply

I didn't realize the anthem was so politically polarizing.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#10 Totally wrong. Conservatives like sports as their "safe pace", just play the game and let me watch. Liberals like you just can't get enough attention, like a crying little schoolgirl, so you need to seek attention from venues such as the Emmy's, the oscars and now the NFL. So go ahead and try to ruin the NFL, ruining stuff is what you are good at.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 01:18 PM | Reply

I see the Prez setting a very dangerous precedence. Trump has now truly made this a 1st Amendment issue by weighing in, imho. When the government can tell you what you can and cannot protest, we are in very dangerous waters, especially when their are individuals supporting him in this violation. He should have stayed out of it and let the public decide what is acceptable.

#14 | Posted by Daniel at 2017-09-25 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14 You are right, it was stupid for him to weigh in on it.

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 01:20 PM | Reply

I didn't realize the anthem was so politically polarizing.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ

It wasn't. Until Trump made it so.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:21 PM | Reply

Trump has now truly made this a 1st Amendment issue by weighing in, imho. When the government can tell you what you can and cannot protest,

Except that wasn't the argument he was making. Other than that, I agree with you - this is definitely something he should not weigh-in on.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

JeffJ what do you do, when the anthem comes on, as you're watching sports on your couch?

Do you... get polarized?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The fact is that Conservatives don't want to keep politics out of sports. They want to keep OPPOSING politics out of sports. They are snowflakes. They see sports as their "safe space" where only their political views are allowed and get all in a tizzy when someone mentions politics that they don't agree with, causing them to get "triggered" in their "safe space"."

Totally this.

Just like rwingers are all for societal safety nets as long as others are not benefited.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-25 01:22 PM | Reply

So go ahead and try to ruin the NFL, ruining stuff is what you are good at.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw

Not as good at as you Trumpsters apparently. You ruined an entire country just to get back at "liberals".

Apparently.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I didn't realize the anthem was so politically polarizing.
#12 | Posted by JeffJ
It wasn't. Until Trump made it so.

#16 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Kaep started kneeling long before Trump weighed in.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:23 PM | Reply

JeffJ what do you do, when the anthem comes on, as you're watching sports on your couch?
Do you... get polarized?

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Where do you come up with these "questions"?

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:24 PM | Reply

You think others should stand for the anthem, but you don't.

That's why I think of these questions.

To call you out.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What makes you think I don't stand for the anthem?

My son's high school played a football game yesterday and I stood for the anthem. I even held my hand over my heart.

On a side note, the game had a flyover but it was very poorly-timed. It was supposed to occur right after the anthem, but the B-25 didn't fly over until late in the 1st quarter. It was the first high school football game that I attended that had a flyover.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:28 PM | Reply

Kaep started kneeling long before Trump weighed in.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ

One guy. Who is not even in the NFL anymore? Trump made this an issue when it had almost faded away.

Now Trump forced the entire NFL to take a side.

Nice work.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:28 PM | Reply

Donner,

I think we both agree that Trump is a buffoon and that injecting himself into this is just plain stupid.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 | POSTED BY DANIEL

Good for you, Daniel. Many conservatives are just thinking whatever Trump tells them to think.

Your stance is like the 97 year old WWII vet who knows he fought for people's right to stand or kneel as they see fit, not as the gov in the guise of Donald J. Trump says they should.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-25 01:30 PM | Reply

One guy. Who is not even in the NFL anymore? Trump made this an issue when it had almost faded away.
Now Trump forced the entire NFL to take a side.
Nice work.

#25 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Mueller must be getting close.

#28 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

not as the gov in the guise of Donald J. Trump says they should.

#27 | Posted by Corky

If Donald J. Trump ever tells me to do something it's a safe bet I better do the opposite.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:33 PM | Reply

"Trump is divisive.
Way to state the obvious.

#5"

why don't you tell other conservatives this who its not obvious to. there are several here on the retort.

#30 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 01:35 PM | Reply

"I even held my hand over my heart"

it is not an oath, stupid

#31 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-25 01:35 PM | Reply

On a side note, the game had a flyover but it was very poorly-timed. It was supposed to occur right after the anthem, but the B-25 didn't fly over until late in the 1st quarter. It was the first high school football game that I attended that had a flyover.

#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-09-25 01:28 PM | REPLY |

And you prove the point. You aren't bothered by the political display of the flyover, just the kneeling player.

You only want to keep politics you don't agree with out of the game.

Tell us how a military low level flyover of a high altitude bomber at a school football game has any purpose other than politics.

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-25 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Kaepernick's Jersey is still the #39 top seller (out of almost 1200) and he isn't even on a team."

Interesting. I did not know that.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-25 01:43 PM | Reply

Tell us how a military low level flyover of a high altitude bomber at a school football game has any purpose other than politics.

#32 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

It's cool. That is all.

Again, it's surprising to me that the anthem is actually polarizing.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 01:46 PM | Reply

When is the beer summit?

#35 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-25 01:46 PM | Reply

When is the beer summit?

#35 | Posted by Petrous

You mean the beautiful chocolate cake summit?

Dotards should not drink.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:53 PM | Reply

Again, it's surprising to me that the anthem is actually polarizing.

#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Its not. You are. The rest of us just appreciate the anthem while you have a melt down over a dude kneeling because it's upsets your delicate sensibilities.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Tell us how a military low level flyover of a high altitude bomber at a school football game has any purpose other than politics.

#32 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

CHEMTRAILS!

Sorry. I had to...

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 01:58 PM | Reply

Not as good at as you Trumpsters apparently. You ruined an entire country just to get back at "liberals".
Apparently.

#20 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2017-09-25 01:23 PM | FLAG:

You should try on a pair of big boy pants or move to another country that you think is not "ruined." Crybaby.

#39 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Tell us how a military low level flyover of a high altitude bomber at a school football game has any purpose other than politics.
#32 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

It's cool. That is all.
#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You're staggeringly, painfully, ignorant of the world around you, JeffJ.

Cringeworthy, even.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 02:20 PM | Reply

I've never regarded flovers as a political act.

But then, I never thought the anthem, or standing for it, was a polarizing act.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 02:22 PM | Reply

Tell us how a military low level flyover of a high altitude bomber at a school football game has any purpose other than politics.
#32 | POSTED BY HATTER5183
It's cool. That is all.
#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
You're staggeringly, painfully, ignorant of the world around you, JeffJ.
Cringeworthy, even.

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-09-25 02:20 PM | REPLY

You are simply mad. You think that sporting events have fly overs to get people to vote republican? They are a show of strength for our country or they used to be plus what Jeff said, they are cool, especially for little kids. If you are at a sporting event and there is a flyover you know that event is a pretty big deal.

#42 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 02:43 PM | Reply

This isn't a protest against the anthem or the flag.

Its a protest against police brutality, murder and state sanctioned inequity. Only conservatives are making it about the anthem so they can again feel superior to others and distract from the primary issue of the protest.

A silent taking of the knee is a patriotic peaceful protest.

#43 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In 2012 a B-2 flew over the Michigan/Air Force game. THAT was cool.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 02:48 PM | Reply

Only conservatives are making it about the anthem so....

Um, the kneeling is taking place during the anthem.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 02:49 PM | Reply

"Um, the kneeling is taking place during the anthem."

So is the nacho buying, all throughout the stadium. But that doesn't bother you. Why not?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 02:51 PM | Reply

So is the nacho buying, all throughout the stadium. But that doesn't bother you. Why not?

#46 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

First off, fans are not players. They paid money to be there. Secondly, if a player hustled into the locker room to take a much-needed dump during the anthem, that wouldn't bother me either.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 02:55 PM | Reply

"First off, fans are not players. They paid money to be there."

So you hold players to a different standard than just about anyone else.

Glad we cleared that up!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 02:58 PM | Reply

"Um, the kneeling is taking place during the anthem."

I bet you think Rosa Parks was protesting busses and not inequality too.

#49 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 02:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

JeffJ is it possible for a protest during the national anthem to not be seen, by you, as an attack on America, and if so, what would such a protest look like?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 03:00 PM | Reply

Remember MLK Jr. took a knee... and there were conservatives then also saying he was protesting the anthem and the flag and not inequality.

#51 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 03:00 PM | Reply

Not as good at as you Trumpsters apparently. You ruined an entire country just to get back at "liberals". - #20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 01:23 PM
In what way has the entire country been ruined?

#52 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-25 03:04 PM | Reply

I don't know if the country has been "ruined". But we certainly are more divided, especially about racial issues than we were last year at this time. In my lifetime, white supremacism and neo-Nazism has never been this widely and openly accepted by a sub-set of the American electorate.

#53 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-25 03:11 PM | Reply

agreed, not ruined yet.. but definitely embarrasing.

#54 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 03:17 PM | Reply

It's really about the venue as much as anything. People don't gravitate to football games due to individual players' personal politics. This weekend I thought the Steelers had the smartest approach.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 03:19 PM | Reply

"But we certainly are more divided, especially about racial issues than we were last year at this time."

I think the divisions are much more obvious. But the divisions were always there.

Just much happier for most people to believe they're standing on firm ground, not ever-shifting sands.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 03:25 PM | Reply

"People don't gravitate to football games due to individual players' personal politics."

But the reverse?

"We've got Belichick and Brady." -- Donald J. Trump.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 03:27 PM | Reply

"People don't gravitate to football games due to individual players' personal politics."
But the reverse?
"We've got Belichick and Brady." -- Donald J. Trump.

#57 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't think people are bothered by athletes talking about social/political issues off the field.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't think people are bothered by athletes talking about social/political issues off the field."

You dun gone and figgered out why they picked the right venue to protest!

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 03:39 PM | Reply

You should try on a pair of big boy pants or move to another country that you think is not "ruined." Crybaby.

#39 | Posted by fishpaw

You should change the channel if your FantasyLand Sport Ball got ruined by folks exercising their constitutional rights. crybaby...

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 04:40 PM | Reply

agreed, not ruined yet.. but definitely embarrasing.

#54 | Posted by klifferd

And then neither is the football "ruined".

Give it a few more years tho for both.

If we survive the nuclear detonation.

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 04:46 PM | Reply

"The fact is that Conservatives don't want to keep politics out of sports. They want to keep OPPOSING politics out of sports."

Standing for the national anthem shouldn't be political. The original kneeling players made a respectful statement that is arguably not political. Conservatives should have just kept their mouths shut. Now that it's become a huge deal, a lot of people doing it are simply sticking up their proverbial middle finger at Trump. Ironically, Trump made it precisely what Conservatives were worried about happening: people disrespecting the National Anthem.

#62 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-09-25 05:01 PM | Reply

"Only conservatives are making it about the anthem so....
Um, the kneeling is taking place during the anthem.

#45 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-09-25 02:49 PM | REPLY"

If I may chip in as a foreigner, any national anthem is just a piece of music and any national flag is just a bit of cloth. They only become something more when people give them a deeper importance, by making them representative of those things for which the country stands. Your Declaration of Independence famously states " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Surely in saluting the anthem and flag, you are affirming your support not for the notes nor the cloth, but for the ideas expressed in your founding documents which underpin what America should be. Yet in my opinion, you would have to be willfully blinkered to believe that your society lives up to those inspirational words. BLM started as a movement to protest police killings that could not reasonably be justified, yet went unpunished. Kaepernick's taking a knee could easily be viewed as patriotic in the sense that he seeks to bring society and the ideal of society closer together through peaceful protest.

Trump's words, on the other hand, were unnecessary, aggressive, uncouth and illustrative of a man who does not truly embody the spirit of the founding fathers. They were designed in my view solely to appeal to the most base, unthinking patriotic sentiment, not to make people think about what the country is and what it should be. The protests now have morphed into anti-Trump statements, which is unfortunate because Kaepernick's original message has been lost, but in the current climate, totally inevitable.

#63 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-09-25 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

Beautifully stated Foreigner. You understand the promise of America better than many (if not most) of its citizens.

And that truly is sad.

#64 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-09-25 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Foreginer,

I completely agree with your criticism of Trump.

I think you are being a bit generous to Kaepernick, but I understand your point.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 07:47 PM | Reply

"I think you are being a bit generous to Kaepernick"

I think you are not being generous enough.

Kaepernick is a very brave American who sacrificed his own career for a cause that was greater than himself.

Now look what became of that one man's actions.

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

#65

How would you suggest Kaepernick protest?

Walk peacfully? www.google.com

Sit peacefully? en.wikipedia.org

Or lead by example? www.google.com

There will never (in your mind) be an "appropriate" venue for Kaepernick or anyone to protest. What would you have him do?

#67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This NFL support for the kneelers is all theater. They hired PR experts who recommended the best way to keep ratings up, seats filled, and jerseys selling. If they are so supportive, why hasn't at least one of the 32 teams offered Kaepernick a job?!

#68 | Posted by babyhuey at 2017-09-26 08:14 AM | Reply

There will never (in your mind) be an "appropriate" venue for Kaepernick or anyone to protest. What would you have him do? - #67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 07:56 PM

Therein lies part of the beauty of our system. I would have him do exactly what he did. I would have him face the consequences of his decisions precisely as he has. I would have each person take a stand, a knee, or an absence as they chose...each to face the repercussions for their own actions. I would have those displeased with what they see as disrespecting their nation make voice their opinions so that the businesses which rely on them for income react as the market forces dictate. I would have the President free to express his own opinion, the opinion of many of those who elected him to office.

#69 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 08:32 AM | Reply

The sponsors are being asked the wrong questions.

As suspected, they are all coming out supporting their right to protest.

Well, duh.

Now, tread to the next question - do you the issue that is protested.

The sponsors are treading carefully. Some have said they don't have a stance, but support the protest. Others agree there are issues and confirm the right to protest.

However, corporate America is scared this could blow up. How will Americans who buy their products view their stance?

As stated, they are free to protest. They are also free to experience the consequences.

#70 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-26 09:17 AM | Reply

There will never (in your mind) be an "appropriate" venue for Kaepernick or anyone to protest. What would you have him do?

#67 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

The only appropriate venue for them is one in which they are not present.

#71 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-09-26 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would have the President free to express his own opinion, the opinion of many of those who elected him to office.

#69 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

That is what I disagree with. People have every right to boycott the game. The owners have the right to fire them. The NFL has the right to sanction them. Though, if the owners or NFL were to do that, they would face their possibility of boycotts and protests themselves.

But, the constitution protects free speech. Not between people. It protects you from the GOVERNMENT limiting your speech (the constitution is a contract between you and your government, not between you and your fellow man). So, while Trump has every right to express his opinion (he could say that he thought Kaepernick was "wrong" or "disrespectful"), he DOES NOT have the right to call for him to be fired (a call to action). Trump represents the government. And the government SHOULD NOT be telling a private business that they should fire an employee because of political speech. Because that is a government PUNISHING SOMEONE for their speech. Which is forbidden in the constitution.

#72 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-09-26 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Way to go out on a limb there, Tawmmy.

Not even close to the best way to describe Trump's speech, IMO. Trump made those comments in order to play up to people who already held strong opinions about this. His comments were only divisive in the sense that given his position, he shouldn't be encouraging Americans to go at each other over superficial disagreements. But he's not really good of convincing anyone of anything. He's good at pandering for applause.

A more accurate description of Trump's behavior is "completely hypocritical if not outright insane". This is a guy who has bashed POWs. He has also inexplicably claimed that he has made sacrifices on behalf of his country comparable with those made by military personnel in direct response to comments made by the father of a fallen soldier. He could not be more dismissive and disrespectful of our military and the sacrifices they've made. He can't even bring himself to admit that as a lifelong spoiled rich guy, he has not come close to making the kind of sacrifice a soldier who dies in battle has made. For him of all people to be playing the "disrespecting the military" angle is beyond absurd.

There's also the incongruity between him saying that some torch carrying nazis are good people but players who kneel for the anthem are "sons of bitches". If you can't admit the implications of that to yourself, you're a sucker.

Brady's comments were borderline cowardly. He should have said nothing.

#73 | Posted by Sully at 2017-09-26 11:46 AM | Reply

"Trump is divisive. Way to state the obvious."

is he divisive like you so regularly said OBAMA was?

#74 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-26 01:05 PM | Reply

There will never (in your mind) be an "appropriate" venue for Kaepernick or anyone to protest. What would you have him do?

#67 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2017-09-25 07:56 PM |

They want him to stand in his mother's basement and yell at the tv where none of the snowflakes can be offended by his freedom

#75 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-26 03:23 PM | Reply

#73

Good to see you posting again Sully. Well said.

#63

Brilliantly written. I completely agree. Though there's been some good posts since #63. The thread could have ended there.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-09-26 03:51 PM | Reply

"This is long but worth a read.

From Reddit user /u/PutinsMissingShirt:

Did you know this?
Aug 14, 2016- Colin Kaepernick sits for the national anthem.....and no one noticed.

Aug 20th, 2016- Colin again sits, and again, no one noticed.

Aug 26th, 2016- Colin sits and this time he is met with a level of vitriol unseen against an athlete. Even the future President of the United States took shots at him while on the campaign trail. Colin went on to explain his protest had NOTHING to with the military, but he felt it hard to stand for a flag that didn't treat people of color fairly.

Then on on Aug 30th, 2016 Nate Boyer, a former Army Green Beret turned NFL long snapper, penned an open letter to Colin in the Army Times. In it he expressed how Colin's sitting affected him.

Then a strange thing happened. Colin was able to do what most Americans to date have not...

He listened.

In his letter Mr. Boyer writes:
"I'm not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It's your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I'd be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I've never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you've gone through is as ignorant as someone who's never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it's like to go to war. Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying and why you're doing it." Mr. Boyer goes on to write "There are already plenty people fighting fire with fire, and it's just not helping anyone or anything. So I'm just going to keep listening, with an open mind. I look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. I'll be standing right there next to you."

Empathy and understanding was shown by Mr. Boyer.........and Mr. Kaepernick reciprocated. Colin invited Nate to San Diego where the two had a 90 minute discussion and Nate proposed Colin kneel instead of sit.
But why kneel? In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING.

The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.

Empathy, not zealotry under the guise of patriotism, is the only way meaningful discussion can be had. Mr. Kaepernick listened to all of you that say he disrespects the military and extended an olive branch to find a peace.

When will America listen to him?"

-Copied from a friend's post

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-09-26 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Good post, CS. Hopefully folks reading who have a problem with the kneeling can rethink their position.

#78 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 09:54 PM | Reply

Using the presentation of colors and the anthem as a protest stage is as divisive as you can get. Trump didn't make the issue divisive, he chose a side like everyone else has and spewed his opinion about it. The divisive part was already done by Colin and still continues to be done without anyone thinking about who they are hurting or offending.

If any of them actually really did care about not being divisive but wanting to spread a message, how about when the first kickoff occurs they all let the ball fall and everyone who wants to protest runs to the 50 yard line and throws their fists up? What about choosing a specific time during a game that is significant, like find out what time a minority was shot, let's say 7:30, and every time the game clock hits 7:30 each quarter, those who want to protest just stop playing for that minute. Hell, how about at halftime all the black players punch the white players as reparations. The point is, there are a lot of other options for protesting that would have the same effect.

There are many other ways to protest that don't occur during a time that is EXTREMELY divisive and offends half the country. By doing it during the anthem, you are being very offensive to a lot of people, which is a big no-no in this country these days. A guy who has a name that matches a Civil War general offended people just by sitting in a chair, and you have the balls to actually think what Colin has done is ok? You have to be incredibly ignorant to think that offending someone's national pride isn't one of the worst possible ways to offend them if they are very prideful. All the players have done at this point is use an offensive means of protesting. The protest is awesome, the means of protest is pathetic and truly offends the millions who hold national pride as an important value. It isn't for others which is absolutely ok but protesting by offending is a low that nobody should ever strive for.

#79 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-27 12:03 PM | Reply

#79; The only thing that is divisive is the fact that there is a large faction of horrible egoists in this country that wish to mock all that the flag and anthem stand for in order to distract from the protesting of police brutality and racism.

#80 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-27 12:28 PM | Reply

"There are many other ways to protest that don't occur during a time that is EXTREMELY divisive and offends half the country."

Because they want to be offended. The same people chose not be offended when Trump insulted American POWs or tried to compare his unnamed "sacrifices" to that of someone who sacrificed his life fighting for this country.

Your entire argument collapses under even passing scrutiny. There may be a few people who are genuinely offended. But most of this "half of the country" is full of ----. They are choosing to be offended. Bad community theater level theatrics and nothing more.

#81 | Posted by Sully at 2017-09-27 01:07 PM | Reply

#81 - As Bobby Lee Swagger would say "I'm still enough of a sucker, you press that patriot button, I'll sit up in my chair and say, "Which way you want me to go, boss?" I mean, I ain't real proud of it,
but I ain't ashamed, either."

A lot of Americans have that button. They'll act before they think and it's only after they think will they change. All of the reflexive opinions about disrespect are just that, reflex. It's not racist or as you say just theatrics. It's programming. Challenge their thoughts and ideas they may see your point of view. Take a random poll and you'll get their reflexive opinion.

#82 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-27 01:23 PM | Reply

"It's not racist or as you say just theatrics. It's programming."

It's racist programming.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-27 01:27 PM | Reply

#83 - --------. Prove it.

#84 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-27 01:30 PM | Reply

I find it ironic that white people seem to think they should get to define the "appropriate" way for black people to protest their treatment by white people. That's not anything new, by the way, it's been that way since Reconstruction. A majority of whites thought the lunch counter sit-ins in Greensboro were inappropriate; Rosa Parks was arrested for sitting in the front of the bus. MLK was jailed. Numerous other black leaders were assassinated or lynched for protesting the treatment of blacks. Today, the Black Lives Matter [,Too] movement is demonized as acting "inappropriately" or "provocatively".

When the Americans decided they were tired of how they were being treated by the British, how did they decide to protest? Was it "appropriate"? Was it "peaceful"? Were they "sensitive" to the Brit's sensibilities? Do you think they gave a ---- about that?

#85 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-09-27 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So libs listen to community organizers and football quarterbacks!

#86 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-09-27 09:38 PM | Reply

#84 are we still talking about #77?

If it's just a reflex, then whoever tickles it, it's their agenda which must be examined for intent, not yours.

Like, if you were really mad when Roseanne Barr did that crotch-grab after butchering the National Anthem, and you boycotted the MLB for a season or something, okay. You clearly take this very seriously.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-27 09:48 PM | Reply

I find it ironic that white people seem to think they should get to define the "appropriate" way for black people to protest their treatment by white people - #85 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-09-27 09:36 PM
I completely expected to find that you would ignore the black people who have a problem with how the black people are protesting. I find it ironic that you were trying to call out bigotry while engaged in it.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 10:11 PM | Reply

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