Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, September 25, 2017

Joy-Ann Reid: As a dam cracked in Puerto Rico, spreading fear across an already devastated island, Donald Trump was in Alabama, calling a black former NFL player a "son-of-a-bitch." During a 90-minute rant that veered from incoherence to the raw belligerence we've come to know in the Age of Trump, the madman who is president went after sidelined NFL quarterback Collin Kaepernick without calling him by name. "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'get that son of a bitch off the field right now," Trump growled to wild cheers from the all-white crowd. "He is fired. He's fired!'" ... How will history remember Donald Trump's response to the serial natural disasters that flattened U.S. territories and hemispheric friends in the Caribbean?

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How will it record a president who with his party dismisses climate change as a hoax, whose sympathies come by tweet, and who spends the days of devastation for American territories largely populated by black and brown citizens, preening in Alabama?

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Whose Katrina was it when it was going bankrupt and couldnt pay for things like dam maintainance? PR is what happens when the can gets kicked down the road for decades.

#1 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-25 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure trump thinks Puerto Rico is Mexico, so I am not surprised he hasn't even mentioned the territory. He's too busy campaigning to succeed Jefferson Davis in 2020.

#2 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 01:15 PM | Reply

Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. But, they are generally brown U.S. citizens -- so Trump couldn't give two F's about them.

#3 | Posted by anton at 2017-09-25 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"PR is what happens when the can gets kicked down the road for decades"

just like houston... but they still got help from their government.. unlike PR.. cause Trump is a white supremacist.

#4 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-25 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure trump thinks Puerto Rico is Mexico, so I am not surprised he hasn't even mentioned the territory.

Interesting that the DR Left and these hit-pieces completely ignore the fact that President Trump, on Thursday, September 21, the day that Maria hit, made these official statements:

SAN JUAN (CBSNewYork/AP) -- President Donald Trump said Thursday that Puerto Rico was "absolutely obliterated" by Hurricane Maria and said he plans to visit the island.

Maria slammed into the U.S. territory Wednesday, crushing concrete balconies and paralyzing the island with landslides, flooding and downed trees.

"It's in very, very, very perilous shape," Trump told reporters Thursday during a meeting with the president of Ukraine. "It's very sad what happened to Puerto Rico."

The president earlier Thursday approved a disaster declaration for Puerto Rico, making federal funds available to people and cities on the island.

"Their electrical grid is totally destroyed and so many other things, so we're starting the process now," Trump said.

Trump also tweeted Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló, saying: "We are with you and the people of Puerto Rico. Stay safe.".

The president promised that he would work with Gov. Ricardo Rosselló of Puerto Rico to help them rebuild.

"Puerto Rico will start the process ... we were just talking about it," Trump said. "We are going to start it with great gusto."

Don't let those pesky little facts get in the way of your TDS.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5;

Trump make a promise. What the hell is the worth of a promise from DJT?

The man is a moron more concerned with the NFL than American citizens. Don't you lapdogs realize we are just mocking him? How self-doubting and trump-loving do you have to be to so quickly defend him amidst this obvious political optics gaffe?

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1

There are dams, bridges and a lot of other infrastructure, on the verge of failing all across America. Who has been kicking that can down the road for decades in favor of budget cuts?

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-09-25 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

How self-doubting and trump-loving do you have to be to so quickly defend him amidst this obvious political optics gaffe?

#6 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2017-09-25 01:42 PM | FLAG:

His entire campaign was built on gaffes. He still won. Talking trash about NFL players is unlikely to hurt him in any meaningful way.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-25 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6

I am not defending him Indy, just pointing out the fallacy of your statement that "I am not surprised he hasn't even mentioned the territory." Seems like you are more concerned about his retarded tweets on the NFL protests if you didn't even know what Trump said about "the territory" on the day Hurricane Maria hit.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#8

Exactly, and the TDS sufferers have no idea that he tweets these things out to interrupt the news cycle on things that are far more important, like Graham-Cassidy, the Mueller investigation and North Korea. They are like puppies circling around someone who is shaking a bag of dog treats.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 01:57 PM | Reply

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There are dams, bridges and a lot of other infrastructure, on the verge of failing all across America. Who has been kicking that can down the road for decades in favor of budget cuts?

#7 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2017-09-25 01:49 PM

Every President since Johnson left office.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 01:58 PM | Reply

Yes, Donald is screwing up Puerto Rico. What a surprise.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 01:59 PM | Reply

Who has been kicking that can down the road for decades in favor of budget cuts?

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft

And how is that promised Trump/Republican Trillion dollar infrastructure plan coming along?

Apparently undermining Americans Healthcare and Tax cuts for the wealthy are much more important.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-25 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Seems like you are more concerned about his retarded tweets on the NFL"

as if this behavior is presidential

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-25 02:01 PM | Reply

Don't let those pesky little facts get in the way of your TDS.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 01:35 PM | Reply

People on the ground there say they need help. It's been days. I remember Katrina.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaking of Trump promises: Has anyone seen a receipt for Trump's million dollar donation for hurricane relief?

#16 | Posted by anton at 2017-09-25 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Quite honestly Reid's comments were unnecessary and just political hackery.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-25 02:02 PM | Reply

Am I the only person who thinks we shouldn't be pushing nuclear war with this sort of hurricane season? Three disasters at a time only, please.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:02 PM | Reply

"Seems like you are more concerned about his retarded tweets on the NFL"
as if this behavior is presidential

#14 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-09-25 02:01 PM

Never said it was, but most of Trump's behavior isn't, so why are you surprised?

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 02:03 PM | Reply

Quite honestly Reid's comments were unnecessary and just political hackery.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-25 02:

Reid's attitude is one of resigned contempt.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:03 PM | Reply

Speaking of Trump promises: Has anyone seen a receipt for Trump's million dollar donation for hurricane relief?

#16 | POSTED BY ANTON

He's not going to provide a receipt. But don't worry, he made the donation. He's the most trustworthy person on the planet - just ask him.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Quite honestly Reid's comments were unnecessary and just political hackery.

#17 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-09-25 02:02 PM

Congratulations Danni, you once again win the Coveted Moment of Clarity Award (tm) for today, this is your third straight award!

Keep up the good work and thanks for playing!

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People on the ground there say they need help. It's been days. I remember Katrina.

#15 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-09-25 02:01 PM | REPLY

And do you remember Obama golfing during the LA floods? Didn't think so.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 02:05 PM | Reply

Reid's attitude is one of resigned contempt.

#20 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-09-25 02:03 PM

If anyone knows that attitude, it would be you.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 02:05 PM | Reply

And do you remember Obama golfing during the LA floods?

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-25 02:05 PM | Reply

I'd think your Trumpees would be ashamed to bring up golf by now.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If anyone knows that attitude, it would be you.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017

Nothing resigned about me.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:10 PM | Reply

As always, we hope there are enough competent adults left in government to adequately cover things such as hurricanes.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:10 PM | Reply

But, sure. I have contempt for Donald Trump. It's the most rational emotion in his case.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 02:11 PM | Reply

FEMA report on the actions to assist PR dated 2 days ago:
www.fema.gov
Be careful, you may not like the capable and responsible response you find there.

#29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-25 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd think your Trumpees would be ashamed to bring up golf by now.

#25 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-09-25 02:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Why? Trump doesn't golf anywhere near as much as Obama.

- Trumpfish.

#30 | Posted by 726 at 2017-09-25 02:30 PM | Reply

Does everyone realize that Puerto Rico's government, like the other territories, take care of their own governance in most ways?

PR did look to Congress for financial help as the government isn't doing well (snark). Both R's and D's didn't look at PR as a STATE of the Union. Aid provided to PR hasn't been wonderful.

This hurricane devastated the country, but the government there was already a disaster. The problems are compounded and had nothing to do with Trump. If the Congress wants to send aid, great. It is a territory of the US after all.

Like someone else said, They at least are citizens

#31 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-25 02:34 PM | Reply

I'm sure trump thinks Puerto Rico is Mexico,

The Trump International Golf Club in Rio Grande Puerto Rico filed for bankruptcy in 2015, so he probably does think it is in Mexico.

#32 | Posted by 726 at 2017-09-25 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FEMA report on the actions to assist PR dated 2 days ago:
www.fema.gov
Be careful, you may not like the capable and responsible response you find there.

#29 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

And thus far its been entirely insufficient.

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 03:05 PM | Reply

And thus far its been entirely insufficient. - #33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 03:05 PM
I'm betting that anything other than an instantaneous return of the island to a condition better than prior to the storm would be found entirely insufficient by you.
Perhaps lay out what could have or should have been done better?

#34 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-25 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If puerto rico were filled with gun toting rednecks, it would be a state already.

The reason it's not a state is because brown people vote dem.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

RightofCenter; for curiosities sake, what is TDS? Is this the new SJW "insult" the trumpers are throwing around?

#36 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 03:45 PM | Reply

Jones,

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And thus far its been entirely insufficient. - #33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 03:05 PM
I'm betting that anything other than an instantaneous return of the island to a condition better than prior to the storm would be found entirely insufficient by you.
Perhaps lay out what could have or should have been done better?

#34 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Regardless of my standard, the FEMA response has been completely lacking. The situation is dire and all over the news. FEMA wasn't prepared in the slightest.

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 03:53 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Ah. We just call the deranged on your side "grabbed by the pu***".

#39 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-25 03:54 PM | Reply

We just call the deranged on your side "grabbed by the pu***".

#39 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

That definitely has a better ring to it.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 03:57 PM | Reply

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ

Is that the syndrome where something is so screwed up with your brain that you can't see that trump is a dangerous sociopathic con artist?

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 04:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41

Rabid Trump supporters are cultists.

That doesn't change the fact that TDS is a real thing, just like ODS was a real thing from '08 - '16.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-25 04:06 PM | Reply

@#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-25 03:53 PM
Again, lacking how? Be specific. What could have been done better? Whether you see it or not, you are really giving off a 'it's bad because it's Trump's administration' vibe. Are you upset that Trump didn't borrow Obama's weather machine and prevent this from happening? Are you bothered that Puerto Rico is without power due to the storm? Have you done any research on the status of the island leading up to this situation? Puerto Rico was without power
last year with no hurricane.

Your expectations on what can be done to aid an island with a hurricane in the Atlantic seems unreasonable. I recommend you do a bit of research to determine what is wrong instead of just claiming, without any sort of citation, that what FEMA has done is insufficient.

Yes, things are bad in PR, it just got steam-rolled by a major hurricane. Yes, the government is doing what it can to help the island recover.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-25 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Federal Response Teams Assisting in Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands: www.fema.gov

If you take time to read this short article you will see that quite a few federal agencies are in place and assisting: FEMA, Coast Guard, U.S. Forest Service (USFS) and Bureau of Land Management personnel as well as DoD amd National Guard assets.

#44 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-09-25 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That doesn't change the fact that TDS is a real thing, just like ODS was a real thing from '08 - '16.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ

Well the word DERANGEMENT suggests that the person suffering from it is living in a fantasy.

The people who are deranged are the ones who think obama was the antichrist and trump is a swell guy.

Being upset about obama was derangement. Based mostly on the color of his skin.
Being upset about trump isn't derangement. It's patriotism.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#45

Probably one of the most blindly partisan things you have ever said.

How about BDS (which started it all), or HDS (Corky's new favorite after Nazi Coddler and false equivalency)?

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 04:34 PM | Reply

Being upset about trump isn't derangement. It's patriotism.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 04:29 PM | Reply |

Patriotism and sanity.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-25 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How about BDS (which started it all), or HDS (Corky's new favorite after Nazi Coddler and false equivalency)?

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter

Again being upset about the guy who started an unnecessary 5 trillion dollar war, created ISIS and blew up the mideast isnt DERANGEMENT. It's the normal human reaction. Derangement describes the people who try to blame the mideast on obama.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love that people assumed that the government was not on top of the disaster relief funny thing is I have not heard any complaints and we have had 3 major hurricanes so regardless how you may feel about Trump it seems his administration is doing a good job. I wonder if 2 to 3 years down the road what liberals will do when we have a strong economy and the Trump presidency is an amazing success how will they live with themselves if all they will have is calling him a racist and a liar. Hell even the media will have a hard time tearing him down. Funny thing is we had a black president who the media was so careful not to report bad news on even when it Was warranted now we have Trump who is treated like the crap in all aspects and they avoid reporting any good news even when it's warranted

#49 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2017-09-25 05:09 PM | Reply

I wonder if 2 to 3 years down the road what liberals will do when we have a strong economy and the Trump presidency is an amazing success how will they live with themselves if all they will have is calling him a racist and a liar. Hell even the media will have a hard time tearing him down. Funny thing is we had a black president who the media was so careful not to report bad news on even when it Was warranted now we have Trump who is treated like the crap in all aspects and they avoid reporting any good news even when it's warranted

#49 | Posted by WTFIGO

The damage from trump isn't going to be fully apparent in 2-3 years.

The toxins his EPA will release into our environment will be harming people for decades.

The taxes he cuts for the rich will be harming the poor for decades.

The young kids who look to the president to see how to behave will be -------- for decades.

Trump is treated like crap because he treats others like crap. Only he's the king of snowflake babies who can't stop crying about how everyone is so unfair to him.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

##'s 48 and 50

NO ONE does shrill like Squeek...

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 07:48 PM | Reply

NO ONE does shrill like Squeek...

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter

I guess you define SHRILL as: (adj.) - accuracy beyond being refuted so I'll resort to insults instead

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 08:06 PM | Reply

accuracy beyond being refuted so I'll resort to insults instead

Thanks for the "facts" Nostradamus, everything you shriek about in #50 is pure speculation.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 08:16 PM | Reply

Thanks for the "facts" Nostradamus, everything you shriek about in #50 is pure speculation.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter

You're right. It would take psychic powers to be able to predict the effects of increased coal burning and dumping coal sludge into streams. You should go drink from one of trump's new coal streams and let's see if I can predict how you feel.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 08:33 PM | Reply

54

LOL

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2017-09-25 08:41 PM | Reply

Who ever knew health care could be so difficult, right ROC?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 08:44 PM | Reply

#56

That made no sense, even for you.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 08:48 PM | Reply

It would take psychic powers to be able to predict the effects of increased coal burning and dumping coal sludge into streams. You should go drink from one of trump's new coal streams and let's see if I can predict how you feel.

Take a deep breath and calm down, "steam" coal production (which is what you are so worried about) is down, once again, this year, it has nothing to do with Trump's bombast and everything to do with the abundance of cheap natural gas. Metallurgic ("Met") coal production is up and are the jobs that Trump was promising, it is used for refining steel, burns at 95+% efficiency and it's leftover carbon is trapped and used in filter products. Also, Met coal sells for $300 per ton (three times what it sold for 3 years ago), and we are a net exporter of it to Australia and China.

Politifact: Is President Trump Correct That Coal Mines Are Opening?

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 08:58 PM | Reply

Was your deep breath not deep enough to explain met production is a fraction of thermal?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-25 09:03 PM | Reply

#59

Feel free to expound, my understanding is that it is about 15% of total production, but you are making my point for me.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-25 09:10 PM | Reply

Take a deep breath and calm down, "steam" coal production (which is what you are so worried about) is down, once again, this year, it has nothing to do with Trump's bombast and everything to do with the abundance of cheap natural gas. Metallurgic ("Met") coal production is up and are the jobs that Trump was promising, it is used for refining steel, burns at 95+% efficiency and it's leftover carbon is trapped and used in filter products. Also, Met coal sells for $300 per ton (three times what it sold for 3 years ago), and we are a net exporter of it to Australia and China.

Politifact: Is President Trump Correct That Coal Mines Are Opening?

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter

So what? Again. Go drink from a stream that coal companies are now allowed to dump waste into if you think trump isn't hurting the environment.

Or just ask the experts:
www.independent.co.uk
news.nationalgeographic.com

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 09:27 PM | Reply

right wingers - "take a breath -------, your whining about human life and the planet's health. Now watch me yell and scream about corporations not getting enough tax breaks!"

#62 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-26 09:45 AM | Reply

Trump is treated like crap because he treats others like crap. Only he's the king of snowflake babies who can't stop crying about how everyone is so unfair to him.

#50 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-25 07:15 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Um, have you heard about your girl's book tour?????

#63 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-26 09:57 AM | Reply

@#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-25 07:15 PM
The toxins his EPA will release into our environment will be harming people for decades.
How much toxin do you think the EPA releases?

The taxes he cuts for the rich will be harming the poor for decades.
In what manner can the President unilaterally cut taxes on the rich in a manner that will harm the poor? Is it our form of government that you really have a problem with?

The young kids who look to the president to see how to behave will be -------- for decades.
That was true regardless of who won in November.

Trump is treated like crap because he treats others like crap.
Ok

#64 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64 Give it up Avigdore, Speak has some real issues.

#65 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-26 11:11 AM | Reply

This is the kind of article that I despise. It's like people go around thinking that a person can only do one thing a day or a week. If a POTUS can't make a comment about one subject and still be taking care of the rest of his obligations, he shouldn't be POTUS. But I have yet to know of any POTUS or person ever in the history of my life or in anything I've ever read where someone who is in a position of power could only do one thing at a time. I'm sure it existed at some point but I've never heard or seen it.

Trump has spun up FEMA contributions and services and has sent millions in Federal aid; one million of his own money. But because PR isn't back to exactly how it was before the hurricane, even though it's been a week, then ignorant, hateful people like this author comes out to try to make a point. I use the term "country's leader" because it's not just Trump and it's not just the leader of the USA who has had to deal with this type of thing over the history of the world. And here's a revelation for all you trying to use this as any kind of political point...NO LEADER IN THE HISTORY OF LEADERS HAS BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER A SOCIETY BACK TO NORMAL WITHIN A WEEK OR EVEN A MONTH AFTER A CATASTROPHIC NATURAL DISASTER OCCURRED.

Get over yourselves. Trump is doing what the POTUS is supposed to be doing (in this topic, at least...can't say the same for pretty much any other topic). But this kind of article ruins us and truly degenerates the media contributors who actually have valid points to make. Everyone should ban this kind of article.

#66 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-26 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump has spun up FEMA contributions and services and has sent millions in Federal aid;

#66 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2017-09-26 11:51 AM | REPLY

He has sent millions when billions are needed. He has not spun up anything for FEMA. Only congress can appropriate funds. Trump has requested huge CUTS to FEMA in his budget request.

#67 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-26 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He has sent millions when billions are needed. He has not spun up anything for FEMA.

The airports and ports have been open for 3 days, in that time "FEMA, working in coordination with federal partners, has provided more than 4 million meals, 6 million liters of water, nearly 300 infant and toddler kits, and 70,000 tarps and 15,000 rolls of roof sheeting to the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico since Hurricane Maria's landfall. An additional 7 million meals and 4 million liters of water are en route by barge to the islands, with additional federal supplies and contract support coming."

Only congress can appropriate funds.

There are disaster relief bills pending for Houston, Florida, Puerto Rico and the USVI.

Trump has requested huge CUTS to FEMA in his budget request.

That has everything to do with staffing and nothing to do with aid. Most of the first responders are not FEMA bureaucrats but US Military and National Guard units.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-26 12:46 PM | Reply

It's like people go around thinking that a person can only do one thing a day or a week.

#66 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-26 11:51 AM |

Donald needs the extra time to threaten nuclear war.

The man's a lout.

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-26 12:54 PM | Reply

He has sent millions when billions are needed. - #67 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-26 12:10 PM
Hell, why stop at billions? Wouldn't trillions really make a statement? Why not go ahead and send a solid quadrillion. There's absolutely nothing stopping us from sending everything that's needed but the desire to do so, right?

#70 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 01:03 PM | Reply

Um, have you heard about your girl's book tour?????

#63 | Posted by fishpaw

My girl? YOu're going to have a hard time finding a post of me supporting hillary, other than saying she's better than trump.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 01:04 PM | Reply

Hell, why stop at billions? Wouldn't trillions really make a statement? Why not go ahead and send a solid quadrillion. There's absolutely nothing stopping us from sending everything that's needed but the desire to do so, right?

#70 | Posted by Avigdore

That's how republicans treat the military budget, why not suffering poor people?

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 01:04 PM | Reply

That's how republicans treat the military budget, why not suffering poor people? - #72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 01:04 PM
Is it your claim that the federal budgetary process for paying for the military is the same, for republicans only, as shipping a quadrillion dollars to PR today?

#73 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 02:03 PM | Reply

Is it your claim that the federal budgetary process for paying for the military is the same, for republicans only, as shipping a quadrillion dollars to PR today?

#73 | Posted by Avigdore

It is my claim, backed by history, that republicans only pinch pennies when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to tax breaks for the rich or military spending, they make it rain.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 02:08 PM | Reply

Not arguing against #74, but I still maintain that just because we want to send more to help PR, even though the will is there, the capability is not. People whinging about 'more' 'not enough' 'lacking' are complaining based, not on reality, but on a requirement that everything the federal government does under a Republican president (most especially Trump)is bad.

#75 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 02:18 PM | Reply

People whinging about 'more' 'not enough' 'lacking' are complaining based, not on reality, but on a requirement that everything the federal government does under a Republican president (most especially Trump)is bad.

#75 | Posted by Avigdore

Or maybe they're complaining because while puerto rico has just been returned to the stone age by climate change, the climate change denying president is busy tweeting that black people should shut up about oppression or be fired.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not arguing against #74, but I still maintain that just because we want to send more to help PR, even though the will is there, the capability is not.

#75 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

And by god, Trump and the Republicans have made damn sure the capability is not there.

#77 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-26 02:29 PM | Reply

And by god, Trump and the Republicans have made damn sure the capability is not there.

Don't let these pesky little facts about what has happened in the three days since the airports were reopened get in the way of your TDS rant:

"FEMA, working in coordination with federal partners, has provided more than 4 million meals, 6 million liters of water, nearly 300 infant and toddler kits, and 70,000 tarps and 15,000 rolls of roof sheeting to the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico since Hurricane Maria's landfall. An additional 7 million meals and 4 million liters of water are en route by barge to the islands, with additional federal supplies and contract support coming."

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-26 02:48 PM | Reply

And by god, Trump and the Republicans have made damn sure the capability is not there.
Don't let these pesky little facts about what has happened in the three days since the airports were reopened get in the way of your TDS rant:
"FEMA, working in coordination with federal partners, has provided more than 4 million meals, 6 million liters of water, nearly 300 infant and toddler kits, and 70,000 tarps and 15,000 rolls of roof sheeting to the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico since Hurricane Maria's landfall. An additional 7 million meals and 4 million liters of water are en route by barge to the islands, with additional federal supplies and contract support coming."

#78 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Glad to see they are meeting 5% of the demand!

#79 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-26 03:00 PM | Reply

4 million meals! how amazing..

thats 1.3 meals per person! amazing work guys, its only been a week!

#80 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-26 03:47 PM | Reply

#80

Yeah! Let's just teleport supplies over there.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-26 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

And by god, Trump and the Republicans have made damn sure the capability is not there. - #77 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-26 02:29 PM
What, specifically, has Trump and the Republicans done to make sure the capability is not there? Something prompted you to put that out there, let's hear what it was.

#82 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 03:58 PM | Reply

thats 1.3 meals per person! amazing work guys, its only been a week!

#80 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-26 03:47 PM
Let's hear it klifferd, what would you have done differently? Share with us your logistical know-how to improve the situation.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My girl? YOu're going to have a hard time finding a post of me supporting hillary, other than saying she's better than trump.

#71 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-26 01:04 PM | FLAG:

It would be hard to find a post, any post from you where you aren't whining about something! You must just be a complete pleasure to be around.

#84 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-26 04:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let's hear it klifferd, what would you have done differently? Share with us your logistical know-how to improve the situation.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore

I would not be tweeting all weekend and whining about the NFL while Americans in Puerto Rico were slowly starving and dying of thirst and lack of medicine and electrical power that is for sure.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-26 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's the Atlantic oceans fault

And they are dark skinned. Who else has dark skin?
OBAMA

Think about that

Sincerely

Jeffocenter

#86 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-26 04:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"What would you have done differently"

Benghazi!

#87 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-26 04:19 PM | Reply

I would not be tweeting all weekend and whining about the NFL while Americans in Puerto Rico were slowly starving and dying of thirst and lack of medicine and electrical power that is for sure. - #85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-26 04:17 PM
So you'd have tried 'nothing' and then been all out of ideas?
It's probably for the best that our government can multi-task better than you, I suppose.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I would not be tweeting all weekend and whining about the NFL while Americans in Puerto Rico were slowly starving and dying of thirst and lack of medicine and electrical power that is for sure."

At the very least he could have tweeted to the players that taking a knee only detract from the real problems our fellow Americans face in Peru or Panama or Paraguay or whatever brown country is affected. Portugal? Dang I can't remember the name... Poland?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-26 04:34 PM | Reply

Glad to see they are meeting 5% of the demand!

4 million meals! how amazing..

thats 1.3 meals per person! its only been a week!

Actually, if you can count, it has only been 3 days since the airports were open, and only during daylight hours.

I know that you weren't told that Math would be on this quiz, but 4.4M meals, at 2.lbs a meal and 6M litres of water, at 2.2lbs per liter, comes to over 10,000 tons of supplies that have been airlifted to Puerto Rico during 36 daylight hours. If you add the rest of the supplies my guess would be it's between 2,000 to 5,000 tons, which is amazing from a logistics standpoint.

"What would you have done differently"

#87 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2017-09-26 04:19 PM

Given your father a vasectomy when he turned 18.

#90 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-26 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And by god, Trump and the Republicans have made damn sure the capability is not there"

Really? ... and just how did they do that?

" Glad to see they are meeting 5% of the demand!"

Supply vs Demand - sometimes the demand/needs outstrip the supply and services available, especially since there are other locations being taken care simultaneously.

#91 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-09-26 04:40 PM | Reply

It would be hard to find a post, any post from you where you aren't whining about something! You must just be a complete pleasure to be around.

#84 | Posted by fishpaw

I am when I'm not dealing with morons who risk destroying humanity with their gullible support of a sociopathic con man.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-26 05:23 PM | Reply

It's probably for the best that our government can multi-task better than you, I suppose.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore

yeah we can all tell how well The Donald "multi-tasks".

Multi-tasking for Trump is taking a dump AND Tweeting at the same time.

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-26 05:39 PM | Reply

Well now we know, PR lies in a big ocean therefore we can't get trucks to them..There is a big ocean alright, it's between trump's ears. I guess he didn't realize there is such a thing as prepositioning emergency supplies before a hurricane strikes such as on a ship in a safe port. It worked well for Houston and Florida but when it came to Puerto Rico he assumed it wasn't part of the US.

#94 | Posted by Badcat at 2017-09-26 07:14 PM | Reply

"...he assumed it wasn't part of the US."

Right, and neither did 10,000 other federal employees.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2017-09-26 07:23 PM | Reply

#83 | Posted by Avigdore
He would take a knee.

#96 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-09-26 07:49 PM | Reply

Too bad PR voted not to be a State.

#97 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-09-26 07:51 PM | Reply

"Reid: Puerto Rico is Trump's Katrina"

Bush moved like lightning in comparison.

#98 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-26 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah bad move for all of us. We wouldn't have this moron in the WH if they did.

#99 | Posted by Badcat at 2017-09-26 07:55 PM | Reply

#99 | Posted by Badcat
That one electoral vote?

#100 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-09-26 07:56 PM | Reply

Right, and neither did 10,000 other federal employees.

#95 | Posted by eberly

You really don't think Trump actually listens to any Federal Employees do you? Especially the "Deep State" ones that were here during the Obama administration.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-26 08:03 PM | Reply

101

I'll bet his involvement in any conversation regarding aid for Puerto Rico was extremely limited at best

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2017-09-26 08:46 PM | Reply

I'll laugh if Trump manages to contract cholera while he's there.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-26 09:34 PM | Reply

Feel free to expound, my understanding is that it is about 15% of total production, but you are making my point for me.
#60 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Was your point that coal is a dying industry, and it needs to die, especially using coal for fuel, whereas other industrial applications are necessary?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-26 09:40 PM | Reply

In 1948 our military airlifted 12000 tons a day for 323 days straight to supply Berlin, a city with a population half that of Puerto Rico. We have better technology and bigger planes. Puerto Rico needs 24000 tons a day TO SURVIVE. In 1948 they flew in over 200,000 flights in 323 days

#105 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-26 09:41 PM | Reply

#105 yes because the Russian east block wanted them to starve,cold war .

Now Puerto Ricans, how many votes do they have in the electoral college. Kinda brown, speak that language.

#106 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-09-26 09:52 PM | Reply

@#105 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-26 09:41 PM
Wikipedia says your numbers are ----. Any chance you can cite where you're getting them from?
The Western Allies, composed of 7 countries, flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food.

#107 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-26 09:59 PM | Reply

It didn't HAVE to be a "Katrina" moment, but our most-incompetent-president-ever made it that way, consciously. And STILL he ignores our territorial citizens, even as I type this.
#WorstPresidentEver (and it's only been eight months)

#108 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-09-26 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It would be hard to find a post, any post from you where you aren't whining about something! You must just be a complete pleasure to be around.
#84 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-26 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag: SELF-REFLECTION AND IRONY ARE BEYOND IT

#109 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-09-26 10:15 PM | Reply

In 1948 our military airlifted 12000 tons a day for 323 days straight to supply Berlin,

They didn't immediately start, on Day 1 of the Berlin airlift, with 8,000+ tons of supplies. They were also flying only 350 miles. According to reports on the Berlin airlift, initially the USAF and RAF were flying in only about 1,000 tons a day, once the USAF got an additional 54 C-54 Skymasters they were able to hit the initial goal of 3,400 tons a day.

Ultimately they were landing and taking off one plane a minute in Berlin and hit that 8000+ number, but it took months to get to that point.

#110 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-26 10:23 PM | Reply

For you Spanish Speakers who are looking for news from the ground in PR:www.elnuevodia.com

Here's some excerpts translated (not by me):
" Thousands of humanitarian wagons and merchandise for supermarkets began arriving in Puerto Rico last week.
Cargo shipments sent by FEMA through the Crowley shipping barges have not stopped, hurrying to their distribution destinations, said Jose Ayala, vice president of Crowley in Puerto Rico. "

"The people should not be alarmed that products of basic necessity are not coming. The products are. The question is how they get from the terminal to the gondolas, how they arrive. That is the part of the logistics is the one that has not started to work as it should"

"However, the concern executives of the company is that the vast majority of merchandise for trades, such as supermarkets, is waiting at the dock."
"Our terminal is full of containers. Since Saturday we've already dropped 1,200, "said Jose Nazario, Crowley's terminal operations manager on the Island"

"At least the FEMA cargo has flowed smoothly. After completing the shipments to the shelters, since yesterday they are sending cargoes to distribution centers. Yesterday they sent Mayagüez, Canóvanas, Arecibo, Bayamón and Ceiba."

#111 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 06:52 AM | Reply

NPR version:www.npr.org
Much-needed supplies are either in Puerto Rico or on the way, officials say, but the island's governor acknowledges that they can't deliver fuel and other material quickly enough

#112 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 08:04 AM | Reply

Enough time has gone by and enough is known to state confidently that Donald is screwing Puerto Rico up.

Donald will start deleting tweets concerning the territory presently.

#113 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 08:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

it seems the Jones act is finally getting some attention, people pushing for deregulation of it.

if you are wondering what the act does, it prevents foreign flagged ships from docking and unloading in PR. want to send aid from Mexico? okay, ship it to a US port, put it on A US flagged merchant first, then it can go.

#114 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-27 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Much-needed supplies are either in Puerto Rico or on the way, officials say, but the island's governor acknowledges that they can't deliver fuel and other material quickly enough"

So, I wonder why an aircraft carrier with dozens of helicopters isn't already there carrying the needed supplies to the people. I heard the governor of Puerto Rico yesterday asking truck drivers to return to work but they are busy dealing with the disaster on personal level so why isn't the National Guard flying in truck drivers to take their places until they return to work? So far, Trump is failing to deal with this crisis and we are facing a huge humanitarian disaster which will result in a huge exodus from Puerto Rico to mainland U.S. and ICE won't be able to deport these folks because they are American citizens.

#115 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 09:19 AM | Reply

"Much-needed supplies are either in Puerto Rico or on the way, officials say, but the island's governor acknowledges that they can't deliver fuel and other material quickly enough"

I believe it was the Mayor of SAn Juan who was on NPR yesterday, she was pleading for the U.S. military to take over the rescue operation. Organize it, get the logistics figured out, bring in whatever equipment they need just like we'd do in a war zone.

#116 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 09:22 AM | Reply

@#115 | Posted by Danni at 2017-09-27 09:19 AM
Those carriers you're speaking of, that aren't assisting with other disaster relief areas, are based in Norfolk VA. Go grab a map, draw a line between Nofolk and PR. Then Google 'Maria'
We'll wait.

#117 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 09:29 AM | Reply

Also @#115 | Posted by Danni at 2017-09-27 09:19 AM
Here you go, Danni.
The USS Kearsage amphibious assault ship and Navy helicopters are on site performing rescue operations since September 22!. Why are you under the mistaken belief that the military wasn't there helping out? Lack of research or just listening to the wrong sources?

#118 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The USNS Comfort is on the way. It's a hospital ship with 1000 beds. It's crewed by only 18 mariners, so they have to round up about 1000 medical staff to operate the hospital it contains. That takes about a week.

#119 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-27 10:03 AM | Reply

"Go grab a map, draw a line between Nofolk and PR. Then Google 'Maria'
We'll wait."

Yeah, all of them are in port waiting for Maria to pass. Ridiculous. Pretending that Trump couldn't have found carriers available that could already be on the scene in Puerto Rico is nonsense. He needed Hillary Clinton to get him to send a hospital ship down there. This is a cluster f**k and Donald needs to take responsibility or at least be recognized by all as the incompetent fool that he is.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Why are you under the mistaken belief that the military wasn't there helping out? Lack of research or just listening to the wrong sources?"

In your previous post you said they couldn't get there. Hilarious.

#121 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 10:17 AM | Reply

Problems with getting assistance to PR. It is over 500 miles from the main land. Ships are not as fast as trucks. Jets will never be able to haul as much as as a ship. The phone and electric grid on the island are down. And worst of all, Puerto Rico is run by the Democrat party, just like New Orleans.

#122 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-09-27 10:21 AM | Reply

"And worst of all, Puerto Rico is run by the Democrat party, just like New Orleans."

Partisan hackery much? That was simply stupid.

#123 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 10:25 AM | Reply

Were Bobby Jindal and George Bush Democrats stupid? They sure as hell dropped the ball after Katrina. What a dope.

#124 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-27 10:26 AM | Reply

The Reagan is in the Pacific. Nimitz is the Persian Gulf. GHWB is in the Med. Roosevelt is in the Pacific. Vinson is docked in San Diego doing post-deployment maintenance. Stennis, Truman, Ike, & Washington are all in port, down for maintenance. Ford doesn't deploy until 2021. Kennedy & Enterprise aren't even built yet. Lincoln is way out in the North Atlantic/Arctic undergoing sea trials and not ready for deployment.

Where are we supposed to get more fleet carriers? Got one in your backyard?

What about LHD's you say? They're either in the South China Sea or the Middle East. Only the Kearsage is able to be deployed, and it's already there running rescue ops.

#125 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-27 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In your previous post you said they couldn't get there. Hilarious. - #121 | Posted by Danni at 2017-09-27 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Liar
I said the ships in Norfolk can't get there. Why do you lie? Hilarious.
"Those carriers you're speaking of, that aren't assisting with other disaster relief areas, are based in Norfolk VA"
USS Kearsarge Supports Relief Mission in Virgin Islands

#126 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 10:34 AM | Reply

#124 | Posted by danni, did you forget who the mayor was at the time? Additionally, don't show your ignorance so quickly- Mary Landau was the governor at the time, a Democrat so inept that Jindal a Republican was elected in an overwhelmingly Democratic state. The failure of relief in NO was within the state, Bush actually mobilized the largest relief effort in the history of this country, the incompetence was in preparation, and execution afterwards. That BTW is the responsibility of the state government. Additionally NO is basically an island, the River is on three sides and the lake is on the other. There was only one road left standing afterwards.

#127 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-09-27 10:41 AM | Reply

"Were Bobby Jindal and George Bush Democrats stupid? They sure as hell dropped the ball after Katrina"

Danni, your stupid is showing. Blanco was the governor AND YES, the state f'd up because they failed to develop and disaster plans. Blanco failed to allow Feds to take the lead and that was the biggest mistake of them all regarding Katrina. After the response was federalized, the biggest military evacuation ever on US soil happened.

#128 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-09-27 11:08 AM | Reply

Looks like the LSD Oak Hill has been on station for awhile too. The last available LHD, the Wasp, had to steam south to dodge the hurricane but has been sailing back to PR to commence operations.

#129 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-27 11:46 AM | Reply

As I said previously, those in a party that someone else isn't in is considered stupid because they couldn't make the impossible happen and recover an entire state from a catastrophic event in a few hours. So, they use the catastrophe as a political tool. Liberals did it during Katrina and they are already doing it now. I'm 100% positive Cons would do it too but it's been so long since they've had something like this happen during one of their terms.

#130 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-27 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Let's hear it klifferd, what would you have done differently?"

Lift the Jones act.
suck my pride in and ask other friendly neighboring countries to help.
Send more than a FEMA running on autopilot.
Use the office of the Presidency to speak up about Puerto Rico to motivate the people of the country to volunteer and donate.

Clearly you are even dumber than Trump the White supremacist dotard.

#131 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 12:04 PM | Reply

"Ships are not as fast as trucks."

stop. its been over a week.
the lack of mobilization is directly due failures in a republican lead government.

#132 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, they use the catastrophe as a political tool."

who cares what you think... Trump was slow to mobilize and wouldn't be doing anything if he wasn't being pressured from everyone with a conscience. Many conservatives don't have this.

#133 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This failure has proven, once again, that Trump telling everyone that he could shoot someone in time square and still be loved by the republican base was correct. This is a total fail by the president.

And his dotarded supporters should be ashamed, but they won't be because they put revenge against a fantasy liberal over human lives.

#134 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Enough time has gone by and enough is known to state confidently that Donald is screwing Puerto Rico up.

Next up----The body count, including the starved, and who Donald chooses to blame it on.

#135 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 12:44 PM | Reply

The word is that the chain of command in Puerto Rico is muddled and people aren't able to act because they can't get orders.

THIS IS DONALD'S RESPONSIBILITY.

#136 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 12:47 PM | Reply

Enough time has gone by and enough is known to state confidently that Donald is screwing Puerto Rico up.

So far, Trump is failing to deal with this crisis and we are facing a huge humanitarian disaster which will result in a huge exodus from Puerto Rico to mainland U.S. and ICE won't be able to deport these folks because they are American citizens.

stop, its been over a week
the lack of mobilization is directly due failures in a republican lead government.

Trump was slow to mobilize and wouldn't be doing anything if he wasn't being pressured from everyone with a conscience.

This is a total fail by the president.

The retarded partisan hackery and lack of reading comprension of the DR Left once again raises its ugly head.

FEmA response update as of 9/27/2017 9:00 EDT:

11 million meals, 10 million liters of water, nearly 1300 infant and toddler kits, and 70,000 tarps and 15,000 rolls of roof sheeting to the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico since Hurricane Maria's landfall.

An additional 14 million meals and 19 million liters of water are en route by barge to the islands, with additional federal supplies and contract support coming.

The ports of San Juan, Fajardo, Culebra, Guayanilla, Salinas, Tallaboa, and Vieques are now open for daylight operations in Puerto Rico. The ports of Crown Bay, East Gregerie Channel, West Gregerie Channel, and Redhook Bay on St. Thomas, the ports of Krause Lagoon, Limetree Bay, and Frederiksted on St. Croix, and the port of Cruz Bay on St. John are open with restrictions.

8 FEMA Urban and 16 U.S. Military Search & Rescue task forces are stationed and conducting operations in the Caribbean. FEMA US&R and military task forces have saved or assisted 2585 individuals and two pets, while searching over 11.400 structures as of September 27.

All of this was airlifted in the last 4 days since the airports were reopened, ships are now starting to arrive from their 1400 mile journeys from ports in Alabama and Georgia (nothing is coming out of FL for obvious reasons) and the US Army Corps of Engineers now has over 2,000 troops opening roads, repairing power grids and re-establisning communications.

#137 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-27 12:55 PM | Reply

The word is that the chain of command in Puerto Rico is muddled and people aren't able to act because they can't get orders.

Link?

#138 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-27 12:56 PM | Reply

The word is that the chain of command in Puerto Rico is muddled and people aren't able to act because they can't get orders.

This is the official word as of 8:00 PM, CST, last night.

People will be dead because of this.

#139 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 12:57 PM | Reply

#138 | Posted by Rightocenter

Mayor of San Juan, Show, who looked exhausted and angry, MSNBC, Rachel Maddow Show.

#140 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 12:59 PM | Reply

Mayor of San Juan, who looked exhausted and angry, MSNBC, Rachel Maddow Show.

#141 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 01:00 PM | Reply

"11 million meals"

So 11 meals in 7 days per million people. Puerto Rico has AT LEAST 1.5 million people that are starving and need food. The state has 3.5 million people.

The problem is this is too big for FEMA to handle and dotards are too stubborn to get their heads out of their partisan butts.

Trump has failed.

#142 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 01:13 PM | Reply

The word is that the chain of command in Puerto Rico is muddled and people aren't able to act because they can't get orders.

Link?

#138 | Posted by Rightocenter

Educate yourself. The Mayor of San Juan is pissed.

Once again Trump had to be forced to do the right thing.

www.youtube.com

#143 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 01:14 PM | Reply

@#131 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 12:04 PM
Lift the Jones act. Kinda' getting tired of refuting this point. DHS has the ability to
waive the Jones Act in National Defense situations and as this isn't a national defense situation, they claim not to have the ability. You like a nation to follow its laws, right? Even if the Jones Act WERE waived, it would not help the situation currently. Much-needed supplies are either in Puerto Rico or on the way, officials say, but the island's governor acknowledges that they can't deliver fuel and other material quickly enough. Please explain why having boats sitting outside the harbor unable to offload will assist PR.

Send more than a FEMA running on autopilot.
You mean like FEMA, US DOD, US DOE, US National Guard, US Coast Guard, Marines, 3 state national guards."

Use the office of the Presidency to speak up about Puerto Rico
7.5 hours after the hurricane struck, he was already speaking with the press about the damage to PR.

I respect your right to spread your opinion, but you would do well to take a breath and review reality. Trump is a bad president. No one is arguing that. There is no objective evidence that the handling of this hurricane could have been handled better on the federal level. There is a TON of evidence that it could have been handled better locally, but I'm not seeing a lot of talk about that.

#144 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:25 PM | Reply

People will be dead because of this. - #139 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 12:57 PM
Yes. People will die when they are unprepared for a hurricane. There may be loss of life caused by the after-effects of Maria. That's what happens in disasters. Fortunately, the US is working to mitigate the suffering and loss of life that may happen. It's a shame that people feel the need to politicize this tragedy.

#145 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:29 PM | Reply

There is no objective evidence that the handling of this hurricane could have been handled better on the federal level.

That is just not true noatter how much you wish it. Trump did not send the Navy and the hospital ship until AFTER Hillary tweeted about it Sept 24th. Even then it took two more days. And it will be many more days before they reach the island.

As the devastation from Hurricane Maria became more apparent Sunday, former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton implored President Trump and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to help the people of Puerto Rico. Send the Navy, she tweeted, especially the hospital ship USNS Comfort.

Hillary Clinton

@HillaryClinton

President Trump, Sec. Mattis, and DOD should send the Navy, including the USNS Comfort, to Puerto Rico now. These are American citizens. ... 9:04 AM - Sep 24, 2017

In addition...

Clinton's tweet lacked important context: The Navy already had two amphibious ships off the coast, the USS Kearsarge and the USS Oak Hill, so the few thousand Marines and sailors aboard could launch relief operations. But her call to action took off, with a petition on the website Change.org garnering more than 100,000 signatures in three days and critics expressing frustration with the hashtag #SendtheComfort.

Since then, the call for the Comfort has come to symbolize something larger: A call for the Pentagon to send more.

More food. More water. More generators. More aircraft.

More everything.

www.washingtonpost.com

#146 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 01:32 PM | Reply

"Even if the Jones Act WERE waived, it would not help the situation currently"

yes, they waited too long.

"you mean like"

On the ground or in transit to Puerto Rico -- FEMA, US DOD, US DOE, US National Guard, US Coast Guard, Marines, 3 state national guards.
3:51 PM - Sep 24, 2017

4 days too late to mobilize.

"7.5 hours after the hurricane struck, he was already speaking with the press about the damage to PR."

he distracted from this message so hard with the NFL crap that its just pathetic. that is what the public was focusing on all week in the continental usa.

"but you would do well to take a breath and review reality"

respectfully... please follow your own advice.

#147 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 01:34 PM | Reply

"that is what the public was focusing on all week in the continental usa."

and yes.. the public is dumb .. we know this.

#148 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 01:35 PM | Reply

Trump was slow to mobilize and wouldn't be doing anything if he wasn't being pressured from everyone with a conscience. - #133 | Posted by klifferd at 17-09-27 12:07 PM
Hmm...who to believe. Klifferd, who's been wrong or ignorant for most of the posts on this matter, or the governor of Puerto Rico...
Let's see what he has to say:
"(Gov. Ricardo) Rossello and other officials praised the federal government for planning its response in detail before the storm hit, a contrast with what Puerto Rico has long seen as the neglect of 3.4 million Americans living in a territory without a vote in Congress or the electoral college.

"This is the first time we get this type of federal coordination," said Resident Commission Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's non-voting representative in Washington."
Man, that's a tough call.

#149 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:36 PM | Reply

#147 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 01:34 PM
Not only do I review reality, I helpfully link it so you can too.

#150 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:37 PM | Reply

"Even if the Jones Act WERE waived, it would not help the situation currently"
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yes, they waited too long.
- Klifferd

You do realize that waiving the Jones Act is a constitutional violation, right?

Now, if the Trump administration did waive it, I doubt anyone would complain about an abuse of power, but that is ultimately what it would be.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:38 PM | Reply

"You do realize that waiving the Jones Act is a constitutional violation, right?"

Funny how you didn't make an issue of that when it was waived by Trump in the past.

It just goes to show how deeply committed you are to the Constitution!

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-27 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny how you didn't make an issue of that when it was waived by Trump in the past.

It just goes to show how deeply committed you are to the Constitution!

#152 | Posted by snoofy

It just goes to show how deeply committed JeffJ is to polishing Trump's turds.

#153 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 01:49 PM | Reply

You do realize that waiving the Jones Act is a constitutional violation, right?

Now, if the Trump administration did waive it, I doubt anyone would complain about an abuse of power, but that is ultimately what it would be.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:38 PM | Reply

No it wouldn't be a constitutional violation. I donm't know where you got that idea from Jeff.

en.wikipedia.org

Requests for waivers of the Act and its provisions are reviewed by the Department of Homeland Security on a case-by-case basis, and can only be granted based on interest of national defense. Historically, waivers have only been granted in cases of national emergencies or upon the request of the Secretary of Defense.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff temporarily waived the coastwise laws for foreign vessels carrying oil and natural gas from September 1 to 19, 2005.[31][32]

In order to conduct an emergency shipment of gasoline from Dutch Harbor, Alaska, to Nome in January 2012, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano granted a waiver to the Russian ice class marine tanker Renda.[33]

The Secretary of Homeland Security issued a temporary conditional waiver of the Jones Act for the shipment of petroleum products, blending stocks and additives from Gulf Coast Petroleum Administration for Defense District (PADD 3) to the New England and Central Atlantic Petroleum Administration for Defense Districts (PADDs 1 a and 1 b, respectively) for 12 days from November 2 to 13, 2012, following widespread fuel shortages caused by Hurricane Sandy.[34]

In September 2017, calls for United States Department of Homeland Security to suspend the act were raised after Puerto Rico incurred heavy damage from Hurricane Maria.[35]

#154 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-27 01:50 PM | Reply

Trump did not send the Navy and the hospital ship until AFTER Hillary tweeted about it Sept 24th.
Navy ship's were deploying personnel on PR to give aid on Sunday.
Do you really think that the Navy was awaiting Clinton's tweet, or the hurricane off the coast between Norfolk and PR that prevented the Comfort's deployment? I've worked on the Comfort. I'm sitting on the Ike. I'm telling you that I trust our Admirals and those responsible in the pentagon to get the aid where it can get to more than I trust Sec. Clinton's politically charged tweets.
Hell, your own quote puts the lie to your post. From Your Post: Clinton's tweet lacked important context: The Navy already had two amphibious ships off the coast, the USS Kearsarge and the USS Oak Hill, so the few thousand Marines and sailors aboard could launch relief operations. Why would you lie and say Trump didn't send the Navy?

#155 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#147 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 01:34 PM
4 days too late to mobilize. 4 days to be ON THE GROUND. Did you want them to sit in the Hurricane and need to be the rescued, not the rescuers? Or do you have some method of instantly opening airports and ports that you didn't share? The Navy and Marines were there on Sunday.

he distracted from this message so hard with the NFL crap that its just pathetic. That would be the press

#156 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 01:58 PM | Reply

"You do realize that waiving the Jones Act is a constitutional violation, right?"
-----
Funny how you didn't make an issue of that when it was waived by Trump in the past.
It just goes to show how deeply committed you are to the Constitution!

#152 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I wasn't aware that it had been waived in the past. When did that happen?

#154 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

If the law itself doesn't have a temporary waiver provision (I'd never even heard of this law before this week) then it is technically a constitutional violation to waive it. Now, one could argue that looking the other way is a form of prosecutorial discretion, and it's certainly an argument worth considering. Also, that it was done before doesn't mean that it wasn't unconstitutional. If nobody brought suit for lack of enforcement then it's a violation that goes unchallenged and unpunished.

#157 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:58 PM | Reply

For the record: I don't think that constitutional restraint is what is holding Trump back from granting a waiver. Let's get real here.

Trump is no Grover Cleveland.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:59 PM | Reply

LMAO, Madcow? You people reside on the same circle of hell as anyone who relied on O'Reilly for their news source. Of course Madcow gets the angriest person that she can find, it fits her viewing demographic's preconceived notions and allows the Mayor to blame someone else for the problems they are facing.

As mentioned up-thread, once the supplies are brought to the area, the majority of the distribution lies at the Territory and local level, in the first days of an airlift the military and FEMA are not going to waste space on trucks or fuel, those have to come by ship. So far, at the territory level the Democratic Governor

Why don't you turn off Madcow and watch PBS, this is what the Governor of Puerto Rico had to say last night about the Federal effort so far:

"JOHN YANG: Governor, are you getting all the aid you need or getting it fast enough from the states?

GOV. RICARDO ROSSELLO: First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.

The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration. So, my call is to congressmen and congresswomen to take action quickly and conclusively with an aid package for Puerto Rico."

#159 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-27 02:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Why would you lie and say Trump didn't send the Navy?

#155 | Posted by Avigdore

I did not lie. I gave you the link so you could see for yourself that Trump did not respond as he could have. Yes there were two ships off the coast. That is not sending the "Navy" or the hospital ship. That is two small amphibious ships with a few thousand marines and sailors. We already had 10,000 boots on the ground (federal employees) but that is not what they needed. They needed aircraft and especially helicopters to transport supplies inland. And they needed it days ago.

But do keep trying to polish Trump's turds. You are pretty good at it.

#160 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But do keep trying to polish Trump's turds. You are pretty good at it.

#160 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Surely you realize that debunking falsehoods has nothing to do with Trump's (or anybody else's) turds, right?

#161 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

he distracted from this message so hard with the NFL crap that its just pathetic. That would be the press

#156 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2017-09-27 01:58 PM

I disagree, Trump's petulance on the NFL issue was entirely his own doing, if he hadn;t fanned the flames it would have died a quick newscycle death.

#162 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-27 02:04 PM | Reply

Hey Hey... Who cares those are Mexicans... I am more important job to protect the National Anthem offenders.... Increases by Base and Media Coverage than those Puerto Mexican people!!!!

#163 | Posted by material07310 at 2017-09-27 02:05 PM | Reply

If the law itself doesn't have a temporary waiver provision (I'd never even heard of this law before this week) then it is technically a constitutional violation to waive it. Now, one could argue that looking the other way is a form of prosecutorial discretion, and it's certainly an argument worth considering. Also, that it was done before doesn't mean that it wasn't unconstitutional. If nobody brought suit for lack of enforcement then it's a violation that goes unchallenged and unpunished.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:58 PM | Reply

No actually it isn't if done in an emergency basis.

#164 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-27 02:07 PM | Reply

especially helicopters to transport supplies inland.

LOL, how do they get there Einstein? You are a marine, you should know that a CH 53 has about a 650 mile range and a CH 54 has a 230 mile range...Puerto Rico is over 1000 miles from Florida.

#165 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-27 02:08 PM | Reply

Donner,

From your own link:

But the Navy's presence was scrutinized. Thomas LaCrosse, the Pentagon's director of defense support to civil authorities, said Monday that U.S. officials discussed sending the Comfort to Puerto Rico last weekend, but ultimately decided not to because ports were not ready to handle a ship that large after the storm.

You don't have to politicize everything.

#166 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For the record: I don't think that constitutional restraint is what is holding Trump back from granting a waiver. Let's get real here.

Trump is no Grover Cleveland.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's Grover Cleveland have to do with it???

#167 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-27 02:08 PM | Reply

@#163 | Posted by material07310 at 2017-09-27 02:05 PM
Let's see what NPR reported Trump actually saying:
Of the people in Puerto Rico, Trump said they "are important to all of us."

#168 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 02:09 PM | Reply

No actually it isn't if done in an emergency basis.

#164 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

What is the legal explanation?

#169 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:09 PM | Reply

What's Grover Cleveland have to do with it???

#167 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

When he was president congress sent him a federal relief package for a drought-ravaged state (I believe it was Texas).

Cleveland vetoed it because he felt the bill was unconstitutional.

He had a 2-point litmus test for signing bills into law:

*Is it constitutional?

*Is it wise?

#170 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:12 PM | Reply

Surely you realize that debunking falsehoods has nothing to do with Trump's (or anybody else's) turds, right?

#161 | Posted by JeffJ

You debunked no falsehoods.

Get your head out of your butt and listen to the mayor of San Juan, Carmen Cruz.

The Mayor is on the ground in the water and has first hand knowledge of what is happening. She is out with her people trying to save her people while the Governor makes nice speeches that don't offend anyone.

#171 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 02:12 PM | Reply

When he was president congress sent him a federal relief package for a drought-ravaged state (I believe it was Texas).

Cleveland vetoed it because he felt the bill was unconstitutional.

He had a 2-point litmus test for signing bills into law:

*Is it constitutional?

*Is it wise?

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:12 PM | Reply

Because it only applied to 16,000 farmers and not the whole state.

#172 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-27 02:13 PM | Reply

You don't have to politicize everything.

#166 | Posted by JeffJ

I didn't make it political.

I am listening to the Americans there on the ground.

#173 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 02:13 PM | Reply

Get your head out of your butt and listen to the mayor of San Juan, Carmen Cruz.

The entire island consists of San Juan? Is she traversing the entire island, or are her efforts focused in San Juan?

Are her expectations physically realistic? Case in point: Expecting the USS Comfort to be deployed when the ports aren't equipped to take her, as was stated in your link.

#174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#160 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 02:01 PM
Are these NOT your words, donnerboy?
That is just not true noatter how much you wish it. Trump did not send the Navy and the hospital ship until AFTER Hillary tweeted about it Sept 24th. Even then it took two more days. And it will be many more days before they reach the island.

Claiming that Trump did not send the Navy isn't a true statement. They were already there, boots on the ground, when she tweeted as indicated in the part you copy/pasted.

Also, That is two small amphibious ships with a few thousand marines and sailors.
How many amphibs do you think we have sitting around available for deployment?

#175 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 02:17 PM | Reply

Because it only applied to 16,000 farmers and not the whole state.

#172 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

OK. My point was he vetoed it because he felt it was unconstitutional. I said that Trump is no Cleveland because I highly doubt the Constitution is guiding any of Trump's decisions.

#176 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:19 PM | Reply

I didn't make it political.
I am listening to the Americans there on the ground.

#173 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Sure you did. Anytime someone brings counter-factual information to your assertions and assessments they are accused of polishing Trump's turds.

#177 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:21 PM | Reply

The Mayor is on the ground in the water and has first hand knowledge of what is happening. She is out with her people trying to save her people while the Governor makes nice speeches that don't offend anyone. - #171 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-27 02:12 PM
aka The person saying things I want to hear is right, the person saying things I don't want to hear is lying.

#178 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 02:23 PM | Reply

"You don't have to politicize everything"

What else can he do?

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2017-09-27 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

aka The person saying things I want to hear is right, the person saying things I don't want to hear is lying.

#178 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Exactly. Is the mayor of San Juan in communication with the ones in charge of this operation? Is she fully aware of the logistical hurdles that may be preventing aid to come quickly and sufficiently enough to her satisfaction? Is she even making a rational assessment?

I ask these questions because she is undoubtedly under a great deal of stress and emotional pain. It may (or may not be) be clouding her judgement. Also, she may not have all of the facts.

#180 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 02:28 PM | Reply

"Are her expectations physically realistic? Case in point: Expecting the USS Comfort to be deployed when the ports aren't equipped to take her, as was stated in your link."

C'mon, Jeff...if it ain't anti-conservative, anti-Trump and anti-U.S. they ain't gonna recognize it at all.

#181 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-09-27 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Of course Madcow gets the angriest person that she can find, it fits her viewing demographic's preconceived notions and allows the Mayor to blame someone else for the problems they are facing"

You're one of the people encouraging Donald to let people die. It's tiresome to refute the sort of bloody-mindedness you embody here. The Mayor was begging for help for hospitals for Christ's sake.

If things are going fine in Puerto Rico we'll have a small body-count, won't we? Sad that it takes the dead to make the winning argument with some people.

Anyone starves, or dies of thirst, or dies of cholera, that's on Donald. And maybe on you.

#182 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 04:33 PM | Reply

Zed,

How is ROC encouraging Trump to let people die?

#183 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 04:36 PM | Reply

#183 | Posted by JeffJ at

Donald Trump doesn't have the sort of mind or personality that deals with the needs of other people very well, or at all. Plus, the man is lazy.

Anyone who dismisses the seriousness of Puerto Rico because they don't like MSNBC is a Trumper, and an enabler. The outcome is that people get hurt. Donald Trump LIKES to hurt people, to feed his fantasies of power. There's more than one example.

#184 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 04:42 PM | Reply

Anyone who dismisses the seriousness of Puerto Rico because they don't like MSNBC is a Trumper, and an enabler.

Except he didn't dismiss the seriousness of Puerto Rico. He dismissed the seriousness of Rachel Maddow.

Dismissing the seriousness of Maddow doesn't make on a Trumper or an enabler. That's just ridiculous.

#185 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 04:45 PM | Reply

"He dismissed the seriousness of Rachel Maddow"

He dismissed the seriousness of the Mayor of San Juan. The woman just wants some diesel fuel.

#186 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 04:50 PM | Reply

-Dismissing the seriousness of Maddow doesn't make on a Trumper or an enabler. That's just ridiculous.

Dismissing that hysterical harridan is a sign of intelligence and emotional balance.

#187 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-27 04:50 PM | Reply

hysterical harridan

#187 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017

I guess you would know.

Two dead in San Juan intensive care because of lack of fuel for generators. These deaths are on Donald.

#188 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

harridan - a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman.

hmmm projection much. hahah. kept

#189 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-09-27 08:01 PM | Reply

Anyone who dismisses the seriousness of Puerto Rico because they don't like MSNBC is a Trumper, and an enabler. The outcome is that people get hurt. - #184 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-27 04:42 PM
Do you have any citation of someone dismissing the seriousness of PR for any reason, MSNBC or not? People here aren't dismissing PR, they're trying to explain that what can be done is being done. People calling for MORE, MORE, MORE while being unable to express how MORE can get there, what good it would do with the island being unable to distribute MORE, or where the MORE would come from are deranged. I ask you to look through the -numerous- times that I have refuted the baseless demands and critiques of people who are just convinced that Trump is handling this all wrong and point out where you think things (that I haven't already dis-proven) could have been accomplished better. We know people are going to be hurt. That is a reality in a disaster. People have died, and may continue to do so. It is not due to a lack of effort on the part of your government to prevent that (unless you live on PR - your government DID let you down if you live there).

#190 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 08:32 PM | Reply

Two dead in San Juan intensive care because of lack of fuel for generators. These deaths are on Donald.

#188 | POSTED BY ZED

FF for that.

#191 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-27 08:49 PM | Reply

if you are wondering what the (Jones) act does, it prevents foreign flagged ships from docking and unloading in PR. want to send aid from Mexico? okay, ship it to a US port, put it on A US flagged merchant first, then it can go. - #114 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-27 08:37 AM

This is not a true statement.
The Jones act (Merchant Marine Act of 1920) only requires "that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents."

Funny enough, PR was getting much of their fuel from Venezuela

In 2011, The Government Accountability Office (GAO) said, two-thirds of the ships serving Puerto Rico were foreign ships. 55 different foreign carriers provided imported cargo to Puerto Rico in a single month as cited as an example by GAO.

#192 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 11:09 PM | Reply

Nice busted link on my part...
The Jones act

#193 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-09-27 11:42 PM | Reply

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