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Thursday, September 21, 2017

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump's most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved "great pressure" on him. The document requests provide the most details to date about the breadth of Mueller's investigation, and show that several aspects of his inquiry are focused squarely on Trump's behavior in the White House.

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In recent weeks, Mueller's office sent a document to the White House that detailed 13 areas in which investigators are seeking information.

Since then, administration lawyers have been scouring White House emails and asking officials whether they have other documents or notes that may pertain to Mueller's requests.

One of the requests is about a meeting Trump had in May with Russian officials in the Oval Office the day after James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, was fired.

That day, Trump met with the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, and the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, Sergey I. Kislyak, along with other Russian officials.

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Mmmm! Nothing-Burger with Russian dressing. My favorite.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-20 08:11 PM | Reply

"Of the 13 subjects in Mr. Mueller's document request, four are related to Mr. Flynn. "
And three are related to Comey's firing. Well, you can't say Mueller isn't being thorough.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-20 11:06 PM | Reply

This is the approach I think will be the most successful. Impeaching Trump for obstruction of justice. If Mueller can make a case Trump fired Comey because of his investigation into Flynn it shouldn't matter whether there is collusion with Russia or not. I think an obstruction of justice charge would evidence would bring enough R's to the impeachment table to start the ball rolling.

#3 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 10:55 AM | Reply

Best case scenario for prosecution: Go after Trump for obstruction, first, and get him impeached. Then go after Team Trump for collusion if it exists, because he won't be able to pardon anyone, including himself, at that point.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

his is the approach I think will be the most successful. Impeaching Trump for obstruction of justice. If Mueller can make a case Trump fired Comey because of his investigation into Flynn it shouldn't matter whether there is collusion with Russia or not. I think an obstruction of justice charge would evidence would bring enough R's to the impeachment table to start the ball rolling.

#3 | Posted by gavaster

Repubs in congress have been trying to help trump stop and bury the investigation. You think he's going to be impeached by his fellow criminals?

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-21 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only a matter of time before Trump fires Mueller.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-21 11:13 AM | Reply

#5 - Nixon was. But they had the goods on him. If the investigators have evidence they can submit in court Trump will be forced to resign by his own party or be impeached. They are fighting it now, yes. Just as the Dems would if it was a Dem President under investigation. Once the proof is brought forward, they'll cave.

#7 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:14 AM | Reply

Once the proof is brought forward, they'll cave.

#7 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:14 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I'm not at all sure Trump will cave. No advantage.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-21 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-21 11:20 AM | Reply

#8 ZED - Trump? Never. Republicans? Absolutely. It'll be in their own self-interest. They will jump ship, claim they fought him all along, say he was an outsider, he was never a party member, yada, yada, yada... They will run away from him.

#10 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:21 AM | Reply

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In 1945, Tojo was being sought by American authorities but refused to leave his home. A physically large NCO was sent in to get him, and hauled him away over his shoulder.

We may at length witness something similar.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-21 11:21 AM | Reply

#11-ZED A new client of mine I met with yesterday could do this with Trump. My co-worker stopped him at the door and said "I didn't know we hired Andre the giant".

Someone needs to meme that NCO with Trump over his shoulder. ha!

#12 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:30 AM | Reply

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | Posted by fishpaw

What illegal wiretapping is that? All there is as I recall is some twit's twitter rant they exist. I am sure you read about the FISA warrants on Manafort by now. So there were those wiretaps and those are the only ones I am aware of.

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-09-21 11:32 AM | Reply

"They will jump ship, claim they fought him all along, say he was an outsider, he was never a party member, yada, yada, yada... They will run away from him."

You're probably right but I want to see Mike Pence try that line of bull.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-21 11:36 AM | Reply

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Comically desperate much, Fish?

This is like the Bank robber complaining to his lawyer that the security cameras spied on him.

Such a funny little fellow.

#15 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-09-21 11:38 AM | Reply

"Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | Posted by fishpaw"

"Justice Department: No evidence Trump Tower was wiretapped"

www.cnn.com

Try to keep up Fish, makes you look dumb when you fall so far behind the class. But then, you're probably used to that.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-21 11:39 AM | Reply

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

You mean the wire tapping which didn't happen? No. He also isn't investigating Bigfoot.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-21 11:40 AM | Reply

#16-17

www.washingtonpost.com

Manafort was being wiretapped and he had an apartment at Trump Tower. Conversations with Trump may have been swept up in the tap of Manafort. But, as the article says, it doesn't appear Trump was actually targeted or that Obama ordered it, which was the original assertion.

#18 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:49 AM | Reply

#18 - It also wasn't illegal. They had FISA warrants.

#19 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:50 AM | Reply

#16 - Pence has largely escaped scrutiny in the pursuit of the Russian interference, just based on what I view as the public perception. He may, as G. Ford did, succeed the President if Trump is removed from office. Your next in line though would be Paul Ryan, and actually. I don't think there's anyone in the order of succession you'd be happy with as President. lol Take Pence and watch him become a lame duck and be defeated in the next cycle.

#20 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 11:56 AM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Vice President Mike Pence.
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.
Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin.
Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

It would never go down further than Ryan before new VPs are assigned but these are all horrible. Although Mnuchin produced a few decent movies. Hatch at least probably wouldn't get us killed.

#21 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-21 12:03 PM | Reply

#16-17
www.washingtonpost.com
Manafort was being wiretapped and he had an apartment at Trump Tower. Conversations with Trump may have been swept up in the tap of Manafort. But, as the article says, it doesn't appear Trump was actually targeted or that Obama ordered it, which was the original assertion.

#18 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Yes. Manafort was wiretapped. Trump Tower, specifically Trump, was not. Even the DOJ came out and said Trump Tower wasn't itself being wiretapped.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-21 12:06 PM | Reply

#21 - Like I said, take Pence if Trump's removed. He'll be completely useless. If you remove Trump and Pence and let it go to Paul Ryan he'll think he has a mandate to DO something and it will get crazy.

#23 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 12:08 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Manafort was being tapped. Manafort has/had an apartment in Trump Tower. It's likely to assume his apartment in Trump Tower was being tapped. No, Trump Tower and everyone in the Tower were likely not being tapped. But as a general statement it's acceptable to say Trump Tower was tapped. To get more specific, Manafort's apartment in Trump Tower was tapped. Supposedly.

#24 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 12:11 PM | Reply

"If you remove Trump and Pence and let it go to Paul Ryan he'll think he has a mandate to DO something and it will get crazy."

Hate to say it but impeaching Trump would be the worst thing we could do. The replacements get successively worse.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-21 12:12 PM | Reply

Hate to say it but impeaching Trump would be the worst thing we could do. The replacements get successively worse.

#25 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-09-21 12:12 PM

Congratulations Danni, you get the coveted Moment of Clarity Award (tm) for today!

Keep up the good work and thanks for playing!

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-09-21 12:15 PM | Reply

#25 - You're insane. Trump is a constant embarrassment to this country. Say what you will about his policy but Pence or even Paul Ryan would at least be able to maintain the dignity of the office of the Presidency. Neither of which are constantly blatantly lying on twitter, making sexist comments about women, on tape admitting to sexual assault, or almost daily in the news as an embarrassment to the world. Impeaching Trump would only be the first step in cleaning up this mess of a country.

#27 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 12:21 PM | Reply

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?

#9 | Posted by fishpaw

Link?

It's not illegal to wiretap foreign agents.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-21 01:01 PM | Reply

Hate to say it but impeaching Trump would be the worst thing we could do. The replacements get successively worse.

#25 | Posted by danni

Somehow I think mike pence would be less likely to start a nuclear war.

And there's the whole message that it sends to our kids and the world - that america removed the buffoon from office. Right now a whole generation is growing up and seeing that being a cruel, ignorant, egomaniacle sociopath is the way to the top. Trump is creating a ton of future mini-trumps simply by being tolerated and allowed in the white house.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-21 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is he investigating the illegal wiretapping of Trump Tower prior to the election that CNN exposed?
#9 | Posted by fishpaw
#16-17
www.washingtonpost.com
Manafort was being wiretapped and he had an apartment at Trump Tower. Conversations with Trump may have been swept up in the tap of Manafort. But, as the article says, it doesn't appear Trump was actually targeted or that Obama ordered it, which was the original assertion.

#18 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Here's the rub: There is no evidence that Manafort was wiretapped WHILE working for the Trump campaign presently or while he was at Trump Tower.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-21 02:45 PM | Reply

Actually, there is. Took some digging though.

Manafort has had an apartment at Trump tower since about '06 and was under investigation from '14 - '16 and then again from '16 - '17, just after the election. He was on Trump's team from March '16 until August '16. CNN reported the first wire tap lasted until May of '16. No rub. Trump Tower was almost definitely bugged and while Manafort was working for Trump from March '16 until May '16. It is mysterious how the tap was dropped right before he became the campaign chair for Trump though. Wouldn't doubt at all if that was politically motivated...even though it's reported the tap was dropped for lack of evidence. They'd kept it open for 2 years!

#31 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 03:22 PM | Reply

"Like I said, take Pence if Trump's removed. He'll be completely useless. If you remove Trump and Pence and let it go to Paul Ryan he'll think he has a mandate to DO something and it will get crazy."

Remember that Ryan is on tape talking to McCarthy and other Republicans about keeping the fact that Trump and Rohrabacher work for the Russians "in the family." So, if it comes down to him, we'll see how that goes. Newspapers have reported on the tape, but no one has released it yet.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 03:38 PM | Reply

"Wouldn't doubt at all if that was politically motivated"

More likely motivated by Manafort's association with Dmitry Firtash, who himself was wiretapped back in 2014:

Lawyer says extradition of oligarch tied to Trump campaign chief imminent

www.chicagotribune.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 03:41 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Read it for yourself...

www.washingtonpost.com

This what you want to run with? They were joking about the claim the Russians hacked the DNC and the opp research on Trump then gave it to someone. McCarthy made a crack about Trump and Rohrabacher being paid by the Russians. Reportedly, "swear to God" and laughs hysterically. Ryan's "in the family" crack had more to do with not letting what would be their seditious talk and distrust of Trump leak. "In the family" iow, a private conversation with jokes about the President. I don't see that gaining ANY traction whatsoever other than seriously twisting words in an attempted smear campaign which would be easily refuted.

#34 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 04:00 PM | Reply

#33 - This could be one of the most high profile racketeering/money laundering/mafia/anti-Russian cases in history. I can't wait to see the movies Hollywood pulls out of this --------. There are some awesome narratives in this.

#35 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 04:05 PM | Reply

#43 When McCarthy and Ryan were first asked about the conversation, they denied it happened. When they were confronted with the fact that there was a tape, they said it was a joke. If you know anything about Rohrabacher, you know it wasn't a joke. Play the tape of us all to hear, and let listeners decided.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 04:09 PM | Reply

Reportedly, "swear to God" and laughs hysterically.

In the original report on the story, it was said that others laughed nervously in response to McCarthy's statement, not that McCarthy laughed hysterically while he was making it. Like I said: play the tape and let listeners decided.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 04:13 PM | Reply

#36-37

Conversations held in confidence should always be denied. I expect that from anyone I have a private conversation with. Either way you don't have anything close to a substantial reason to remove PR from the presidential line of succession.

Do you think they would have said this in front of Trump? I suspect their fear/hatred of Trump is more a reason for denial and "keeping it in the family" than any actual coverup of Russian collusion.

#38 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 04:27 PM | Reply

"Either way you don't have anything close to a substantial reason to remove PR from the presidential line of succession."

Perhaps Mueller does. Time will tell.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 04:41 PM | Reply

#39 - Wild speculation duly noted. Pardon me if I don't hold my breath.

#40 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-09-21 04:46 PM | Reply

U.S. Monitored Manafort After He Left Trump Campaign

The surveillance came as part of a counterintelligence probe into Russian interference with presidential election

U.S. authorities placed Paul Manafort under surveillance after he was ousted as Donald Trump's campaign manager in the summer of 2016, according to U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

The surveillance, which was part of a counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference with the presidential election, didn't involve listening to Mr. Manafort's phone communications in real-time, the officials said.

But armed with a warrant, investigators still could have conducted clandestine surveillance of Mr. Manafort, possibly by obtaining copies of his emails and other electronically stored communications, or by having agents follow him or conduct physical searches of his property.

www.wsj.com

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-21 09:11 PM | Reply

"In 1945, Tojo was being sought by American authorities but refused to leave his home. A physically large NCO was sent in to get him, and hauled him away over his shoulder.

We may at length witness something similar.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-21 11:21 AM"

Likely due to the fact that Tojo had attempted suicide by shooting himself in the chest, but the bullet missed his heart.

I doubt we'll see something similar as Tojo was considerably smaller than President Trump.

#42 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2017-09-22 06:00 AM | Reply

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