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Friday, September 15, 2017

Sabrina Tavernise: Supporters of Confederate memorials airbrush slavery out of the Civil War. It reminds me of the Russians who view Stalin fondly. Selective memory, it seems, is a global phenomenon. Think of Turkey and its blank spot where the Armenian genocide should be. Or Japan with its squeamishness about its aggression and mass murder in China. It starts as a basic human impulse to take the sting out of defeat or to avoid admitting some atrocity. But it's also a way to help cope with a difficult present. And like a growth on a tree ring, it can keep the past off-kilter until some future generation is brave enough to right it.

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"In most countries you are more likely to get evasion and nationalistic versions of history than tough grappling with the darker parts of your past, and the U.S. is no exception," said Gary Bass, a professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton.

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Much like that new book "What Happened?"

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-09-15 09:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Sounds like Hillary.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-15 09:47 AM | Reply

Sounds like the usual "I didn't actually read - let alone think about - what the author said."

Hey, boys n gurlz, knowledge is power and you've blown the fuse.

Lol.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-09-15 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

lmao.... HDS bringing TrumpFish and Laura together again.... on a thread that has nothing to do with her, no less.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 10:36 AM | Reply

..on a thread that has nothing to do with her, no less.

The title did include the word "losers". Surprise it took you till comment #4 to join in.

#5 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-09-15 10:38 AM | Reply

#5

No surprise you had a HDS Deflection in #1.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 10:40 AM | Reply

Texas School Board iw doing it as we post.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obligatory:
www.youtube.com

Family Guy nails it.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-15 10:58 AM | Reply

Down South they talk about 'The Great Unpleasantness' or 'The War of Northern Aggression', trying to blot out the truth of the Civil War. Here's an idea: keep all the statues of Confederate soldiers and politicians, and at each location add a statue in remembrance of prisoners at Andersonville. Should be a proud sight for those Stars and Bars jugheads--General Lee, Jeff Davis, et alia, and some emaciated Union soldier. History and heritage!

#9 | Posted by catdog at 2017-09-15 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Texas wants to take out some of our founding fathers in their history books and put in Rush Limbaugh. That tells you everything you need to know about Texas government. When rural communities can outvote the urban majority you get misguided government, statewide and nationwide.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Here's an idea: keep all the statues of Confederate soldiers and politicians, and at each location add a statue in remembrance of prisoners at Andersonville."

How about a statue of a slave with punishment collars or being whipped?

#11 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 11:08 AM | Reply

#9

As kids in Texas we learn't that Lee thought Grant was a drunken blacksmith and just gave him his sword to polish.

Not to be totally unpolitically correct by bringing it up, but one of the main differences between the writing of the OT and other ancient writings is that the main characters are all described as tremendously flawed people even though it was their own doing the writing. In most history, the leaders are airbrushed as the article author mentions.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 11:13 AM | Reply

Speaking of losers....

Thomas Jefferson statue at U-Va. shrouded in black

Students and other University of Virginia community members shrouded a statue of Thomas Jefferson in black Tuesday night during a rally criticizing the university's response to recent white nationalist demonstrations that unfolded on and near the campus.

About 100 people gathered for the protest Tuesday night, according to the Daily Progress. They covered the statue of the university's founder, and signs reading "racist" and "rapist" were placed on it.

www.washingtonpost.com

Many people predicted the slippery slope from confederate monuments to the Founding Fathers. We were ridiculed, but we were right.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 11:15 AM | Reply

Yeah, see, because covering one statue one night is just like tearing down a statue.

Yet another false equivalency.

Much like small groups of nobody antifas are just like burgeoning Nazi Marcher movement.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 11:22 AM | Reply

Ok. To be fair, when I read the title of the thread, but before I read the description or the article itself, I too thought it was about HRC. She just had a book published in which she makes claims many people disagree with. And she just was the loser in the national election. So when we read, When History's Losers Write the Story, pardon us for initially thinking the thread is about HRC.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-15 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

On topic, in the era of fake news and alternate facts, history is just putty to be shaped to suit one's ends. It is reprehensible and one of those abstract crimes against humanity for which we do pay an intangible price.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-15 11:44 AM | Reply

- I too thought it was about HRC.

HDS knows no political boundaries.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 11:48 AM | Reply

#15

I thought the same thing TBH.

#18 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-15 11:50 AM | Reply

'As kids in Texas we learn't that Lee thought Grant was a drunken blacksmith and just gave him his sword to polish."

As kids in 7th grade in Mississippi we were taught that the slaves liked being slaves. That the Civil War ended an idyllic era.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 12:07 PM | Reply

The title did include the word "losers".
#5 | POSTED BY COOKFISH

Then your error - mistaking it as a personal invitation - is understandable.

#20 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-09-15 12:16 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Thomas Jefferson was a moron. Sorry. His contributions to the Declaration of Independence were cute but not actual political theory or on how we'd run a government. James Madison on the other hand was a damn genius.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-15 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Thomas Jefferson was a moron.

I love it when "progressives" out themselves as the fake liberals they really are.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Thomas Jefferson was a moron.
I love it when "progressives" out themselves as the fake liberals they really are.

#22 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Why does it make me a fake liberal to say Thomas Jefferson was a moron for thinking we were all just going to be a bunch of yeoman farmers?

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-15 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thomas Jefferson was a moron. Sorry. His contributions to the Declaration of Independence were cute but not actual political theory or on how we'd run a government.

Wow, words fail me...he wrote the damn thing in 17 days while knowing that if they failed, he would be executed.

A couple of other little things he did:

Wrote The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1777);
Wrote A Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge, which is credited with creating free public education (1779);
Served as the first U.S. Secretary of State (1790–1793);
Made the Louisiana Purchase, effectively doubling the size of the United States (1803);
Launched the Lewis and Clark Expedition (1804);
Founded the Library of Congress by selling his personal library (6700 volumes) to the US Government (1815);
Founded the University of Virginia (1819);
Revolutionized Farming and greatly advanced Sustainable Architecture (1770-1820);

And last, but not least,

Introduced Mac and Cheese to the US (1810).

#24 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-15 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

#21

I seriously hope that Corky's NW on this post was for the James Madison comment, otherwise you are both retarded.

#25 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-15 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I tend to think of statues to Confederate leaders kind of like participation trophies that go to kids on the losing little league team.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-15 02:40 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
"Thomas Jefferson was a moron."

Come, now. "Moron" is a ridiculously strong word to use here.

"His contributions to the Declaration of Independence were cute but not actual political theory or on how we'd run a government."

"Actual political theory" or how to run a government were nowhere near the point of the DoI.

"James Madison on the other hand was a damn genius."

True. However, it should be said the he was a genius that was a product of his era. He also acted as a balancing influence on Jefferson, but Madison was the protege in that relationship, not the mentor.

#27 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-15 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why isn't it in history books that blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks in Africa? Why isn't the fact that the largest source for slaves was from black African chiefs who had conquered other blacks?

#28 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-16 03:09 PM | Reply

Why isn't it in history books that blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks in Africa? Why isn't the fact that the largest source for slaves was from black African chiefs who had conquered other blacks?

Posted by boaz at 2017-09-16 03:09 PM | Reply

Why does that absolve whites for owning blacks???

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-09-16 03:11 PM | Reply

Why does that absolve whites for owning blacks???

Does it not indict blacks?

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-16 03:16 PM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY BOAZ
"Why isn't it in history books..."

Boaz, if you're going to whine about history books, it would help if you actually read them.

#31 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-16 03:20 PM | Reply

Easy to insult people than to refute what they said, isn't it Thetom? Make the messenger look bad, right?

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-16 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As children, we are always presented with a whitewashed history of ourselves. It is an essential part of reproducing cannon fodder. But as you look back on the history of man its important to keep in mind the evolution of morality. For about 15,000 years death or slavery awaited everyone that lost a war. The Old Testament is an extraordinary vicious and vile document. But today those practices are considered unacceptable, on a superficial level.

Columbus is a famous hero because he discovered America for exploitation by European Kings. Columbus was motivated by greed which caused him to treat Native Americans sadistically. This occurred during a time when people were routinely burned alive, ripped apart on the rack, and far worse tortures, all because they said something a King or Catholic Church didn't like. The history of the USA is largely the history of genocide of Native Americans. Time and time again the motive is greed. There is a Deep State in our country, accountable to no one, which continues to operate with medieval values. Control of oil is behind much of our immoral illegal behavior, which includes murder, torture and unwarranted invasion of other countries to this day. we learned this dirty business form the British whose global rule was civilized compared to the medieval Catholic Church.

There is light and dark in all of us, not just Russians and North Koreans. It is unfair to compare Thomas Jefferson to those who lost the Civil war. The Confederacy lost the Civil War and it is reasonable for those who were freed from slavery as a consequence of that outcome are offended when their neighbors flaunt symbols of that Confederacy in their face, as if the Confederacy and all it stands for lives on. But it is one thing for a private citizen to project those values and quite another for a local or State Government to flaunt these obnoxious juvenile symbols. Its even worse when our President does it.

#33 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-09-16 06:36 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ
"Easy to insult people than to refute what they said, isn't it Thetom? Make the messenger look bad, right?"

When you act like you've made strong argument, but it's based on a baseless premise, you leave yourself open.
If you feel the need to treat it as an insult, go for it. But the messenger knowingly brings a false message.

Strange, though. You of all people should understand the problems that come with poor weaponry and poor defenses.

#34 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-17 01:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why isn't it in history books that blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks in Africa? Why isn't the fact that the largest source for slaves was from black African chiefs who had conquered other blacks?"

I guess I'm confused as to what would be the value of that.

How would the teaching of American history be better if they emphasized those facts?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-17 02:03 AM | Reply

"it was okay to buy black people, because blacks were the ones selling them."

Is that the lesson, Boaz?

If not then please take me to school.

Thanks.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-17 02:19 AM | Reply

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