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Friday, September 15, 2017

We are in a place few would have expected a decade ago. One set of newly bold extremists includes self-conscious national socialists as well as other overlapping forces driven by white identity politics. Though covered with a façade of egalitarianism, an alternative extreme has much more in common with the tactics and even philosophical framework of fascism than even it understands. Both groups of extremists seem determined to provoke the other into more and more serious confrontations. A feckless president has contributed to polarization by giving comfort to the alt-right -- as his equally feckless predecessor did by endorsing BLM -- and seems at a loss when confronted with the consequences. And an increasingly concerned and leaderless center witnesses what looks to some like the unraveling of their country, and are uncertain what to do about it.

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"Antifa stands for "anti-fascist." In their own minds, at least, the idea of their association with fascism must seem ridiculous. Many Antifa activists have openly declared themselves to be communists or anarchists.

However, one can construct a composite of today's radical Left and test it against our checklist of historical fascism. What one finds is that, on balance, today's radicals have much more in common with fascism than most analysts have recognized.

Violence: Like fascist violence, Antifa's violence is undergirded both by a calculated goal of undermining order and by raw hate.

Racial collectivism: The dominant ideological strain [..] revolves around collectivist racial identity politics in which individuality is submerged beneath broad racial categories. Accidents of birth are central to this understanding of the human condition, while common humanity or individual worth are denied or downplayed. "White privilege" is the monocausal explanation for everything wrong in the world, and race is often the determinant of how a person is judged.

Obedience to leadership: Is individual thought set aside by the radicals in favor of groupthink systematically dispensed and enforced by the movement? There is not yet a single leader figure at the national level (which is true also of the white nationalists), but participants are nevertheless instructed from above on the identities and qualities of a "fascist" or "racist," ever-broadening categories that now include all Trump supporters, capitalists, mainstream but controversial conservatives, police officers, and others. Dissent from the party line is seen as treason and brings swift retribution on social media, a terrifying prospect for the young.

Statism: The radicals are clear opponents of limited government and free markets, preferring instead state control and direction of society, economy, and education (as long as the "right" people are in charge of the state). Antifa has declared capitalists an enemy, and BLM has endorsed an economic program of massive taxation, redistribution, reparations, and government control.

Ideology as religion: Have the radicals turned their ideology into a secular religion, with its own rituals, dogmatic beliefs, and punishment for heretics?

Denigration of reason: In his article in New York Magazine, Sullivan also noted that activists "shut down the [Murray] event because intersectionality rejects the entire idea of free debate, science, or truth independent of white male power." Instead, their ideology explicitly extols emotive themes and a priori assumptions.

#1 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-15 07:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

The only people that worry and obsess about anti-fascists, are the fascists ant-fascists expose.

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-15 10:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

They are anti-liberal democracy.

From a new, pro-antifa book:

"They have no allegiance to liberal democracy": an expert on antifa explains the group

www.vox.com

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 10:23 AM | Reply

This garbage is courtesy of Bill Bennett, Reagan's Sec of Education rwing "think tank" now run by none other than Tom Cotton and Laura Ingraham.

Here's their own page comparing themselves to the Founding Fathers, rofl!

www.claremont.org

The Claremont Institute, based in Claremont, California, is a conservative non-profit institution that has a track record supporting militarist foreign policy advocacy agendas.

rightweb.irc-online.org

Antifa in this country are not now, nor have they ever been, nor will they ever be, anywhere close to being the threat that Fascist Nazi KKK members have been, are, and will be.

The equivalency proffered is still false, no matter what rwinger says they are the same.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"They are anti-liberal democracy"

then obviously they have counter-protested "liberals" in the past.

where is the link to that?

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-15 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 Thanks for providing the "show" part of "show and tell", Francis.

"participants are nevertheless instructed from above on the identities and qualities of a "fascist" or "racist," ever-broadening categories that now include all Trump supporters, capitalists, mainstream but controversial conservatives, police officers, and others"

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-15 10:35 AM | Reply

--where is the link to that?

Reading comprehension problem? Are you high on Mr. Mycologist's mushrooms?

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 10:36 AM | Reply

--Nazifidian, Coddling Nazis and Hating on Nobody Anarchists since... 2016, rofl!

Abusive, violation of Retort moderation policy.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9 |

Non-responsive whining.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 10:43 AM | Reply

I can find a list of snowflake grievances of Antifa on the daily caller, not one seems to be a group of "liberals" or people pushing democracy.
They are all white nationalist and fascists groups whining the "victim" song.

I was simply asking for a link documenting Antifa attacking a group of "liberals" and or people just gathering in support of democracy. I can't find one

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-15 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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yo, mukstang.

nobody is calling me a racist or fascist

you seem to always be the victim of mean people unfairly judging your behavior.

I blame your mom, to many "it's not you" comforts

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-09-15 10:50 AM | Reply

Nazifidian, Coddling Nazis and Hating on Nobody Anarchists since... 2016, rofl!
~ Corky

Destroying the DR sense of community one post at a time.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-09-15 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#13

Destroying $20,000 in kid's school lunches one tax break at a time.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 11:06 AM | Reply

If the original AntiFA had their way 6 million Jews would not have been killed by the Nazis.
The would have been killed by the Communist instead.
And as German Communist they would have been fine with it.

#15 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2017-09-15 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15

No evidence of the last two sentences at all, plenty of evidence for the first sentence.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"However, one can construct a composite of today's radical cheese collector and test it against our checklist of historical fascism. What one finds is that, on balance, today's radical cheese collectors have much more in common with fascism than most analysts have recognized.

Violence: Like fascist violence, Radical cheese collecting violence is undergirded both by a calculated goal of undermining order and by raw curds."

#1 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

You can place "violence" after any group and compare it to "violence" of another group. The commonality is inherit to violence, not fascism or anti-fascism or cheese collectors.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-15 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 | Posted by Corky

So being against all thought that doesn't agree with yours is a founding father ideal? Who knew?

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-09-15 01:56 PM | Reply

You can place "violence" after any group and compare it to "violence" of another group. The commonality is inherit to violence, not fascism or anti-fascism or cheese collectors.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones

Who has been rioting and breaking things ever since Trump got elected?

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-09-15 01:59 PM | Reply

White liberals calling Jews who didn't vote for Trump Nazis because they're conservative is hilarious.

#20 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2017-09-15 02:24 PM | Reply

So this has continually been happening? I know of a handful of "incidents".

Then again - what were those peaceful white supremacists doing? Murdering? And there not even "Antifa" there.

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-09-15 04:26 PM | Reply

Antifa is against anyone who dares to have a different opinion and they will use violence to achieve their goals.

Real liberals would despise them.

#22 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-09-15 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#22

Coddlefidian has become the rwing poster NW flagger extraordinaire.

Real liberals don't need to use the nobody antifa as an excuse for coddling Nazis, because they don't coddle Nazis.

Antifa in this country are not now, nor have they ever been, nor will they ever be, anywhere close to being the threat that Fascist Nazi KKK members have been, are, and will be.

The equivalency proffered is still false, no matter what rwinger says they are the same.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-15 09:08 PM | Reply

--coddling Nazis!

*drink*

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-15 09:12 PM | Reply

#24

He said it twice in a sentence, is that a double?

#25 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-15 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The equivalency proffered is still false, no matter what rwinger says they are the same.
#23 | POSTED BY CORKY

No, its true .... no matter what Corky says .....

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-09-16 03:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26

Because you say so?

If you had an argument, you could have made it.... but obviously you don't.

Much like the two posers, er, posters before you.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-16 10:40 AM | Reply

Antifa is just the latest iteration of the Black Bloc. Utter degenerates, whose only redeeming quality (when compared to their peers in the white supremacist movement) is that they seem content with destroying property and hurting people, as opposed to destroying property and killing people. Of course their ideological ancestors, the anarchists of the 1920s, were the Al Quaeda of their day...so it's not outside the realm of possibility that they'll kill again if society doesn't bend to accepting the supremacy of their ideology.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-09-16 07:11 PM | Reply

"If the original AntiFA had their way 6 million Jews would not have been killed by the Nazis. The would have been killed by the Communist instead. And as German Communist they would have been fine with it."

One side of my family is comprised of Latvian Jews. The had the misfortune of being born into the class that the Soviets considered to be Bourgeoisie. So once the Red Army liberated the camps, they lined up those Jews who didn't fit the mold and shot them. Really no different than the Nazis...but the fact that Soviet Socialism represented progressivism in action means that Soviet Socialists will never bear the stigma their National Socialist cousins do.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-09-16 07:17 PM | Reply

"Antifa in this country are not now, nor have they ever been, nor will they ever be, anywhere close to being the threat that Fascist Nazi KKK members have been, are, and will be."

If we're being fair, Neo Nazi's only dislike a very specific target group. Antifa dislikes anyone who isn't Antifa. Which is pretty much all of us.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-09-16 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

- Neo Nazi's only dislike a very specific target group.

You mean anyone who isn't white...although they do make an exception for Jews.

And only a Nazi Coddler would make false equivalencies between them and the nobody antifa.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-16 08:14 PM | Reply

"Nazi Coddler" - corky @ Madbomber

Madbomber you just scored another point.

You're now ahead in the betting pool. ;-)

#32 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-09-16 08:55 PM | Reply

Wow, a totally unbiased rwing referee. We are SO lucky!

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-16 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They're Nazi hunters.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-17 12:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ha! what pitiful garbage cries spew from the white victim of himself. --stopped after two sentences.

#35 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-09-17 12:54 AM | Reply

"They're Nazi hunters"

But not exclusively. They really consider anyone they disagree with as fair game.

They'd hunt you too if decided to hold a position they disagreed with.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-09-17 11:03 AM | Reply

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