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Wednesday, September 13, 2017

[H]ow has the number of deaths -- in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina as of Monday night -- remained in single digits? The answer is the modern science of hurricane monitoring and preparation, which has saved countless lives as forecasting, satellite monitoring and government planning have dramatically improved in recent decades. ... "The number of people killed in hurricanes halves about every 25 years, in spite of the fact that coastal populations have been increasing, because of what we're doing with forecasting," said Hugh Willoughby, a professor of meteorology at Florida International University in Miami.

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"Science bad!"
-GOP Mantra

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-13 03:49 PM | Reply

"Looting good"
-DNC Mantra

#2 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-09-13 04:53 PM | Reply

I don't listen to the weather. It's all a leftist plot, and that radar thing is phony. I went sailing last weekend...
-Rush "I can't hear you for the meds" Limbaugh

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2017-09-13 05:00 PM | Reply

"Mantra? What is a mantra? -- -- Some kind of Shakira Law? Get out of my country, -------!"
-- trump's base.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-13 05:07 PM | Reply

What? The government saves lives? I thought the government was the problem and needed to be drowned in a bathtub.

Anyway...

Thank you NOAA and the National Weather Service for your fine efforts in saving thousands of American lives.

Maybe you will get to hire the workers you need for your understaffed offices and maybe you will even get a real COLA this year (unlikely...as the 1% need a tax cut)

The cost of living adjustment (COLA) for Social Security recipients and federal retirees has averaged about 1% since 2012. This includes Social Security and federal retirees not receiving any increase in 2016.

www.fedsmith.com

www.govexec.com

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-13 05:36 PM | Reply

oops... RE: #5 pasted wrong sentence. that one was referring to retirees...

this one refers to the federal employee COLA

The 2017 COLA increase was 0.3%. This was the smallest increase on record with the exception of the several years without any COLA increase. The COLA increase was 1.7% in 2015, 1.5% in 2014 and 1.7% in 2013. There were no COLA increases in 2016, 2011 or 2010.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-09-13 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Looting good"
-DNC Mantra

#2 | Posted by bogey1355

As usual, the only way for repubs to make it seem like dems are just as bad is they are is to lie.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-13 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it wasn't for that ingrown hair on my fat arse, well, let's just say I'd have been something more than a hopelessly clueless schmuck. Hell, I coulda been a contendah.
~ Rush "Is My Private Jet Good To Go" Limbaugh

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-09-13 06:28 PM | Reply

I've learned by experience to take the worst hurricane and snowstorm forecast and divide by two.
It works pretty good.

#9 | Posted by Ray at 2017-09-13 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

US forecast models have been pretty terrible during Hurricane Irma

NOAA's best weather model seems to be getting worse with hurricanes, not better.

arstechnica.com

Cheapskate GOP House?

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2017-09-13 07:37 PM | Reply

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US forecast models have been pretty terrible during Hurricane Irma

Actually they were pretty good.

img.washingtonpost.com

But there's always room for improvement, something this administration will take no part in.

#11 | Posted by JOE at 2017-09-13 07:47 PM | Reply

I was glad to see so many of my fellow Floridians taking the storm seriously, boarding up their homes and/or evacuating, then later helping one another in the recovery.

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-09-13 08:03 PM | Reply

I'm not sure how many people are regular DR posters, but this thread proves what I have thought, that there are only about 4 or 5 that aren't complete F**K-Tards.

#13 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-09-13 09:08 PM | Reply

National Weather service's are clear example of big government. There's not a Floridian alive that doesn't owe them a debt of gratitude right.

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2017-09-13 09:17 PM | Reply

"Looting good"
-DNC Mantra

#2 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

There is a fantastic article about you on here. It's all about how GOP Voters live in a fact free world.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-14 12:04 AM | Reply

As usual, the only way for repubs to make it seem like dems are just as bad is they are is to lie.

#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

NW.

They're so used to being miserable sacks of ---- they assume everyone else must be as well.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2017-09-14 01:17 AM | Reply

that there are only about 4 or 5 that aren't complete F**K-Tards.

#13 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

I'm glad my efforts haven't fallen on deaf ears :)

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-09-14 01:18 AM | Reply

Ray,
Please, I would love to know what your engineering degree is in and what school bestowed it on you.

#18 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-09-14 08:24 PM | Reply

"You don't need an engineering degree to see that AGW is --------."

Why would the greenhouse effect not intensify as the concentration of greenhouse gas intensifies???

I call --------.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 09:02 PM | Reply

"Human CO2 is trivial relative to all the other factors."

So let's say one-third of CO2 is anthropogenic.

How can 2/3 of CO2 be implicated in the greenhouse effect but 1/3 is not?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 09:18 PM | Reply

"Again because earth is open to the cold of outer space."

No it's not, or the surface temperature would drop to near absolute zero at night, like it does on the moon and on Mercury at night.

That doesn't happen on Venus, or Earth, though.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 09:21 PM | Reply

It's 400, not 40, and what you're saying is beside the point.

The earth doesn't dump all its heat to space at night. You clearly weren't designing engines with that mechanical engineering degree if this is your level of understanding of thermodynamics.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Certainly our atmosphere has an insulating effect."

Thus, not all heat, including heat pursuant to the greenhouse effect, is NOT lost to space every night.

We're done here.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 09:51 PM | Reply

If you want to reduce carbon output, there's a clean, efficient, transparent, environmentally sound and economically sound solution. Tax carbon at the source. Tax oil by the barrel, coal by the ton, jet fuel by the pint, gasoline by the gallon, home heating oil, etc.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-14 09:51 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I hope you're being facetious.

#30 | Posted by Ray at 2017-09-14 09:57 PM | Reply

_-I hope you're being facetious.

Not at all. That's the most efficient way to do it, if you think it's necessary.

Of course, there are 2 big political problems with that.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-14 09:59 PM | Reply

I've learned by experience to take the worst hurricane and snowstorm forecast and divide by two.

I just lived through two hurricanes hitting my town in one year. The forecasts were spot on and saved lives.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2017-09-14 09:59 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY RCADE

The forecasts would have us believe Irma would travel up the middle of Florida with Category 5 winds. I took that to mean Category 3. I was closer.

Then there were the videos of wooden houses flattened by the winds. I understand homes in Florida are built with concrete.

#33 | Posted by Ray at 2017-09-14 10:08 PM | Reply

Of course, there are 2 big political problems with that.
#31 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It should sell. They need the money. They always need the money.

#34 | Posted by Ray at 2017-09-14 10:10 PM | Reply

--It should sell. They need the money. They always need the money.

No, it won't sell politically. Wealthy climate activists wouldn't be able to rationalize their humongous carbon footprints. And, they would have to pay with jet fuel prices doubled or tripled or more. They would raise hell, and they are democrat donors.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-09-14 10:17 PM | Reply

Wealthy climate activists wouldn't be able to rationalize their humongous carbon footprints. And, they would have to pay with jet fuel prices doubled or tripled or more.

Good point.

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2017-09-14 10:25 PM | Reply

"If you want to reduce carbon output, there's a clean, efficient, transparent, environmentally sound and economically sound solution. Tax carbon at the source"

Building a market around carbon credits does essentially all of what you said, plus it adds the dynamics of a market to reward those who use less carbon in the first place.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-14 11:09 PM | Reply

The forecast was for Irma to drop to category 3 soon after landfall. There is no forecast or forecaster that will ever say a hurricane can maintain its strength over land. It isn't SCIENTIFICALLY possible

#38 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-15 10:35 AM | Reply

The long range forecasts predicted THE MOST LIKELY path would take Irma up the east coast. They never said IT WILL GO UP THE EAST COAST. that was just the center of the probability cone. what they did say is that it will be within this cone.

Irma never went outside the cone.

www.nhc.noaa.gov

#39 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-15 11:06 AM | Reply

fivethirtyeight.com

#40 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-15 11:07 AM | Reply

The forecasts would have us believe Irma would travel up the middle of Florida with Category 5 winds.

Stop making ---- up. When the forecast path went up the middle of Florida, forecasters said that would weaken it quickly. It was never predicted to move up the state as a cat 5.

I had family all over the state. We were hunkered down and following news reports constantly. I was watching their forecasts a hell of a lot closer than you were.

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2017-09-15 11:26 AM | Reply

I can't speak for anyone else but the forecasts frightened us enough to make our building into a fortress. Then we sat outside on the lee side of the building drinking and having a good time throughout the storm secure in the knowledge that our building was thoroughly secured.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 11:31 AM | Reply

"The forecasts would have us believe Irma would travel up the middle of Florida with Category 5 winds."

That was one possible path but the other two, that it would travel up the east coast or that it would travel up the west coast were also discussed. No one knew exactly where it would go but we all did know that it had the potential to come ashore as a Cat 4 or even a Cat 5. Most people acted with that as their guide.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-15 11:33 AM | Reply

The models, by no means exact since there was no direct hit on Miami, were actually quiet good. The Northern turn may have been delayed a bit but these errors are to be expected. I evacuated from a very solid waterfront apartment due to two reasons: we have kids and a devastating message from a contact in a hard hit Caribbean location who told us to get the hell out. In our community, only 5% stayed.

#44 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2017-09-15 01:40 PM | Reply

The models, by no means exact since there was no direct hit on Miami, were actually quiet good. The Northern turn may have been delayed a bit but these errors are to be expected. I evacuated from a very solid waterfront apartment due to two reasons: we have kids and a devastating message from a contact in a hard hit Caribbean location who told us to get the hell out. In our community, only 5% stayed.

#44 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS AT 2017-09-15 01:40 PM | REPLY |

The models did not predict a direct hit on Miami. They predicted a direct hit somewhere between 180 miles west of miami and 140 miles east of miami

#45 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-15 02:30 PM | Reply

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