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Tuesday, September 12, 2017

On a Sunday panel show, a Russian politician said U.S. "intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States." Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Russian parliamentary body, the Duma, made the remarks on the panel show "Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov." ... Nikonov's statement was first noticed by Julia Davis, who operates the heavily critical Russian media monitoring site Russia Lies.

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#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-09-11 08:04 PM | Reply

Russian politician Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Duma,....

Obviously a Hillary supporter and probable key figure in the Clinton/Russia collusion scandal that no one wants to talk about!

Did they check his stools for traces of uranium? Somebody call Devin Nunes before it's too late!

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-09-11 09:11 PM | Reply

Fake news?

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-09-11 09:36 PM | Reply

@#3

That was my first thought. And I still am at least a bit skeptical.

I don't know how good your conversational Russian is, but if you follow the links you'll wind up at the youtube video of the occurrence.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-09-12 10:01 AM | Reply

They stole the US Presidency? LOL. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. I don't believe anyone, including the Russians, can be too happy about the Trump presidency thus far. And it will get worse.

On a separate note, it is humourous to think of all those rightwing anti-commie conservatives throughout the mid-west and the South being totally manipulated by Russia. Cuz that is exactly what happened.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-12 12:59 PM | Reply

#5 Manipulated by Russia? If Russia did hack the DNC (because Podesta is a dumb -ss) then they simple exposed who the DNC really is and that contributed to why Hillary lost, although based on her latest interviews there were about 100 reasons why she lost none of them because of herself. And btw this Russian was expressing how weak the US is to allow the hacking to take place, who was the POTUS then?

#6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 Manipulated by Russia? If Russia did hack the DNC (because Podesta is a dumb -ss) then they simple exposed who the DNC really is and that contributed to why Hillary lost

#6 | Posted by fishpaw

That's only part of what they did. They also wrote fake news stories about bernie bros, the pope endorsing trump, all kinds of lunacy that got circulated on right wing propaganda sites.

And we still don't know how trump JUST HAPPENED to pick a bunch of people for his team that all had strange ties to russia, and who later were caught in lies trying to hide those ties.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-12 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#5 - It looks like it's working out great for Russia.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-12 02:15 PM | Reply


@#7 ... And we still don't know how trump JUST HAPPENED to pick a bunch of people for his team that all had strange ties to russia, and who later were caught in lies trying to hide those ties. ...

This is the part that makes me scratch my head and wonder just how involved with Russians the Trump team is and has been. Why did so many misrepresent their interactions with the Russians when they filled out their security forms?

I don't know what the answer is, but I hope Mr Mueller will eventually find out.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-09-12 02:26 PM | Reply

Russia is sending the hurricanes too

#10 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-12 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Russian diplomats being expelled by the dozens.
Increased sanctions against Russia enacted by Congress and signed into law by Trump.
Every business interaction between Russian and either Trump or one of his cronies being scrutinized by a Special Prosecutor...

Yeah this is working out just great for Russia so far.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-12 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 Manipulated by Russia? If Russia did hack the DNC (because Podesta is a dumb -ss) then they simple exposed who the DNC really is and that contributed to why Hillary lost, although based on her latest interviews there were about 100 reasons why she lost none of them because of herself. And btw this Russian was expressing how weak the US is to allow the hacking to take place, who was the POTUS then?

#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2017-09-12 01:56 PM | REPLY

Even if the facts are as you claim, which I do not acknowledge, the point here is not which administration let the hacking happen. The point is that a foreign government undertook an organized campaign to subvert the U.S. electoral process, which your boy Trump has done everything in his power to deny. And it was far more than the DNC that was hacked.

#12 | Posted by cbob at 2017-09-12 03:06 PM | Reply

The gains to russia are long term and far outweigh any short term sanctions. The budget cuts to the state department, The purging of experienced staff, The acceptance of their annexation of ukrainian territory, the reduction in trust of the American election system, weakening of NATO, Elevation of Russian stature on the international stage and simultaneous reduction of trust and respect of America, and future gains due to pro-russian appointees in the Trump White House, State Department, and Commerce Departments

#13 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-12 03:08 PM | Reply

which your boy Trump has done everything in his power to deny. And it was far more than the DNC that was hacked.

#12 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2017-09-12 03:06 PM | FLAG:

He denied collusion. You guys won't admit that the hacking, by whoever, simply exposed who the DNC really is.

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-12 03:19 PM | Reply

That's only part of what they did. They also wrote fake news stories about bernie bros, the pope endorsing trump, all kinds of lunacy that got circulated on right wing propaganda sites. #7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-12 02:01 PM | FLAG:

Podesta was the one that said Bernie supporters were Bernie Bots and lived in their parents basements. Do you think that turned on the Bernie supporters to move over to Hillary especially after the DNC screwed Bernie over in the primaries?

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-12 03:22 PM | Reply

Enough of the Podesta stupidity - that was a private email account and he was warned repeatedly about it and it's security. The guy is a dumb@$$. If you don't understand the difference between that hack and the hack of the DNC you need to really go back to the RIF program (Reading Is Fundamental for you millennials...) Podesta hardly is ever even mentioned by people I know who were average voters. The DNC hack is mentioned all the time though. Yes enough Bernie supporters moved to Trump to make a difference - I do believe that. I know some of them. Too dumb to understand the consequences of their actions even now.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-09-12 03:56 PM | Reply

#16 Perfect example of what went wrong. A Hillary supporter saying Bernie supporters are too dumb. And you can't understand why they didn't vote with you.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-12 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You guys won't admit that the hacking, by whoever, simply exposed who the DNC really is.
#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Is that all you think happened?

So little you know.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-09-12 08:08 PM | Reply

New low! It keeps getting more amusing as we go...thank you!

#19 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-09-12 08:33 PM | Reply

This is the part that makes me scratch my head and wonder just how involved with Russians the Trump team is and has been.

I'm waiting for Trump supporters to scratch their heads and wonder why they backed an obvious con.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2017-09-12 08:59 PM | Reply

then they simple exposed who the DNC really is and that contributed to why Hillary lost

You believe it's 100% correct for purely political reasons.

No objective individual would believe them so outright.

And btw this Russian was expressing how weak the US is to allow the hacking to take place, who was the POTUS then?
#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I hope you stretched before sharting that reach of political hack onto the DR.

It seems you acknowledge it when you can bash Obama but suddenly doubt it when it comes to explaining why Trump won.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2017-09-12 09:06 PM | Reply

Says the country that was completely manipulated into destroying their entire form of governance and economic infrastructure by the country they are calling weak. A big complaint about the US people make is that they "influence" the governments around the world. But now that a rumor started during our last election cycle, people think all of a sudden something is different.

It's not. The same powerful people that controlled the world before Trump was POTUS are the same people who control it now. Nothing has changed. This guy is just a leftist who doesn't like Trump and thinks he can gain favor by publicly making popular comments.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-13 12:09 PM | Reply

Trump won because Hillary lost. She was so sure she had it in the bag that she got lazy and continued to spend her time in the states she didn't need to be in. She and her handlers were idiots plain and simple.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-13 12:10 PM | Reply

Trump won because Republicans, with help from Russians, suppressed minority voters, hacked voting machines and many Berniebots didn't listen to Bernie

#24 | Posted by danni at 2017-09-13 12:24 PM | Reply

#24 You still under water from the flood or have your meds not kicked in yet? Hacked voting machines? Suppressed minority voters? Funny we haven't seen any proof of machines hacked and I have not heard of anyone who could not vote.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-13 12:39 PM | Reply

#24 You still under water from the flood or have your meds not kicked in yet? Hacked voting machines? Suppressed minority voters? Funny we haven't seen any proof of machines hacked and I have not heard of anyone who could not vote.

#25 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2017-09-13 12:39 PM |

If you haven't heard you haven't been listening. Republican controlled voting boards intentionally placed fewer voting machines in districts that tended to vote democrat. People who couldn't wait in line 8 hours were denied the right to vote

www.nytimes.com

www.theatlantic.com

thehill.com

www.independent.co.uk

#26 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-13 12:45 PM | Reply

Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff

Russians used social media to push false stories, to place divisive ads and to organize protests in the US. Their goal was to tear us apart.
6:52 AM - 13 Sep 2017

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-13 01:30 PM | Reply

"Trump won because Republicans, with help from Russians, suppressed minority voters, hacked voting machines and many Berniebots didn't listen to Bernie"

I can't understand why so many think the Russians were so joined up with Trump against Hillary when they gained so much by dealing with Obama and the Clintons. I'm not going to get into Obama's removal of missiles in Europe without anything in return from Russia, his "flexibility" with Russia after the election, the "reset" debacle and those other things, but I do wish some ignorance could be removed from these people by studying the Uranium One deal:

"Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal"

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin's latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: "Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World."

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world's largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one."

Read the whole NYT article....

www.nytimes.com

#28 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-09-13 01:37 PM | Reply

"I can't understand why so many think the Russians were so joined up with Trump against Hillary"

Read and learn:

Russia Sought A Broad Reset With Trump, Secret Document Shows

A Russian proposal obtained by BuzzFeed News reveals Moscow's ambitious plan to break with the past and launch a major rapprochement with the United States.

In the third month of Donald Trump's presidency, Vladimir Putin dispatched one of his diplomats to the State Department to deliver a bold proposition: the full normalization of relations between the United States and Russia across all major branches of government.

The proposal, spelled out in a detailed document obtained by BuzzFeed News, called for the wholesale restoration of diplomatic, military, and intelligence channels severed between the two countries after Russia's military interventions in Ukraine and Syria.

The broad scope of the Kremlin's reset plan came with an ambitious launch date: immediately.

www.buzzfeed.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-09-13 01:44 PM | Reply

If you haven't heard you haven't been listening. Republican controlled voting boards intentionally placed fewer voting machines in districts that tended to vote democrat. People who couldn't wait in line 8 hours were denied the right to vote
www.nytimes.com
www.theatlantic.com
thehill.com
www.independent.co.uk
#26 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-09-13 12:45 PM | REPLY

Ok, so an article from 2012, another about long lines but not one quote or instance from anyone who said they couldn't vote and two stories about hacking of VOTER DATA not actually changing votes in the machines like you would like us to believe. Nice try though. Btw, if someone can't vote these days they are too stupid to have their vote counted anyway, there is absentee voting btw.

#30 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-13 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Russia Sought A Broad Reset With Trump, Secret Document Shows"

Secret document...hmmmmm. Anybody have a copy?

#31 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-09-13 02:31 PM | Reply

When you intentionally create long wait times by understaffing and putting less machines in place by design, SOME people will see the line and get discouraged and go home. Others will still be in line when the polls close. None of those people will be counted.

Your contention is that if democrats want to vote they should be prepared to stand in line with no water or restroom for 8 hours and that its ok that we make them do that but allow the republican voters to walk in, vote and walk out.

Not all people get time off to vote. If you have to vote on your lunch hour or after work and there is an 8 hour line you are SOL.

Are you ok with even 1 voter not being allowed to vote because of political manuevers like intentionally understaffing polling places where the other party usually votes?

Voting day should be a national holiday and how many machines and staff are in a polling place should be based on population, not set by a partisan committee.

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-13 02:36 PM | Reply

Funny how when a Democrat wins this has never been an issue but when a Republican does all of a sudden it was all out cheating. You are simply looking for excuses just like Hillary or a kindergarden child who lost in dodge ball. Why not request an absentee ballot? It gets mailed to you so you don't have to blame not being able to vote because you can't afford a stamp and you can drop it off at the town hall anytime you want. Problem solved, very easy and don't cost nuthin.

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-09-13 02:55 PM | Reply

People who couldn't wait in line 8 hours were denied the right to vote[.]

The latest data, 2014, shows the 9 worst states for average wait times ranged from 6.6 to 8.75 minutes. www.pewtrusts.org

#34 | Posted by et_al at 2017-09-13 03:18 PM | Reply

And what was the maximum wait time?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-13 03:21 PM | Reply

suppressed minority voters, hacked voting machine?

yet, Obama won two terms.

Bush stole the election, too.

Why is it the Republicans didn't steal the elections from Obama?

Hillary lost. She beat Bernie, but there was a lot of cheating going on in the DNC to make sure Bernie lost.
Trump beat every single Republican.

Just go to you tube and check the videos comments about Trump and how, one year before, didn't have a chance.
Watch the videos of the election night hosts of the alphabet soup channels of how Trump can't win without a miracle.

Well, Trump won, Hillary lost.

Guess all you want - all the predictions, both DNC and RNC, were wrong.

#36 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-13 03:36 PM | Reply

Funny how when a Democrat wins this has never been an issue but when a Republican does all of a sudden it was all out cheating.

Funny because Democrats never win by intentionally preventing republicans from voting

When they win there is nothing similar to complain about.

Kind of like how when the Packers won the super bowl nobody complained about deflated footballs.

Because there weren't any.

#37 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-13 03:55 PM | Reply

#34

Were you able to examine the actual data? Once I found the data files they were not in a file format that I could read.

The summary page with the nicely colored interactive graph are clearly for the average across the states as you note yourself. But there doesn't appear to be a place to drill down for any more meaningful data beyond the state average. There does not appear to be available details on the maximum wait time in precincts and actual polling places that performed the worst. If you click on the individual state it takes you to a page again containing only state averages and not precinct or polling location performance.

It doesn't even appear to offer information about how the average was weighted? Is this a per voter average or a per polling place average? I live in the sticks. I didn't wait at all when I arrived at the polling place. If the average is based on polling place or precinct then the experience at my polling place grossly distorts the state average vs. the volume of voters at an urban polling place. When you click on the link labeled "methodology" you get dick all.

Seems kind of like a resource designed intentionally to obscure the details necessary to understand the problem beyond all but a surface level. The targeting partisan leaning precincts for long wait times is not a phenomenon that can be understood in any meaningful way from this particular resource ... from what I could see. Did you see anything more detailed that addressed that particular question?

#38 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-09-14 10:00 AM | Reply

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