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Tuesday, September 12, 2017

Jonathan Chait: Political scientist Lee Drutman argues in a Vox essay that American politics is descending into what he calls "doom-loop partisanship." Drutman notes that Americans have been "retreating into our separate tribal epistemologies, each with their own increasingly incompatible set of facts and first premises," each heavily racialized, in which "[t]here's no possibility for rational debate or middle-ground compromise. Just two sorted teams, with no overlap, no cross-cutting identities, and with everyone's personal sense of status constantly on the line." Drutman attributes this to winner-take-all elections, the expanding power of the presidency, and the growing influence of money in politics. I think, despite all the very real design flaws in American politics, the problems he describe stem mainly from the pathologies of the Republican Party.

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It is certainly true that the psychological relationship between the parties has a certain symmetry. Both fear each other will cheat to win and use their power to stack the voting deck. "If Republicans win in close elections, Democrats say it's only because they cheated by making it harder for Democratic constituencies to vote; if Democrats win in close elections, Republicans say it's only because they voted illegally." But while it is not true that Democrats have allowed illegal voting in nontrivial levels, it is extremely true that Republicans have deliberately made voting inconvenient for Democratic-leaning constituencies. The psychology is parallel, but the underlying facts are not.

Likewise, there is a superficial similarity to the terror with which partisans now greet governments controlled by the opposing party. Obama's presidency made Republicans terrified of rampant socialism and vengeful minority rule. (Rush Limbaugh in 2009 instructed his audience, "In Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering 'Yeah, right on, right on, right on.' Of course everybody said the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he's white.") Trump's presidency has inspired a similar terror among liberals terrified that Trump would take their insurance and deport immigrants.

Liberal fears have had a much closer relationship to reality.

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Typical we = good, they = bad crap.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017

Let the GOP make Donald's tax returns available. The shoe may not fit so well after that.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-11 11:32 AM | Reply

Keeping Donald's tax returns secret at this point is an assault on the nation.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-11 11:35 AM | Reply

#1 requests for political correctness will be denied Mr Softy.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-11 01:01 PM | Reply

#3 do you feel the same about releasing all Obama's college records?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-11 03:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

do you feel the same about releasing all Obama's college records?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-

Will they help prove he's a money-launderer?

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-11 03:09 PM | Reply

#6 No. They might have shown that he enrolled in college as a foreign exchange student, though. In both cases, we the public will continue to not get what we wanted because there are no statutes that mandate it. You're just pissing into the wind and complaining about getting wet.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-09-11 03:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

do you feel the same about releasing all Obama's college records?
#5 | POSTED BY MUSTANG
They might have shown that he enrolled in college as a foreign exchange student,
#7 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Look! We still have a birther!!

Never give up Musty. You'll sink Obama's presidency yet!

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-09-11 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

#7

I want to know how badly Donald is a crook as well as if he is a traitor.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-11 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"obama"

Ha ha ha!

The solution to every GOP problem except when it's "ClintonPelosi/reid"

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-11 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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This article is hyper-partisan drivel at its finest, I am sure Corky will be citing to it incessantly now that you have found it.

#11 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-11 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This article is hyper-partisan drivel at its finest

#11 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017

I want to know how badly Donald is a crook as well as if he is a traitor.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2017-09-11 04:56 PM | Reply

#12

I do too, but this article was way too over the top.

#13 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-09-11 06:18 PM | Reply

"The Only Problem in American Politics Is the GOP"

The only problem in this headline is the word "only".

#14 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-11 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree with the first sentence. It's true. We are devolving into two tribes and the only solution will be civil war and a separation of the two. This is the future of the United States. We are no longer united and neither side cares about the issues of the other side.

When was the last time a Leftist pushed for a Republican issue?
When was the last time a Tea Partier pushed for a liberal issue?

That is the dividing line..

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-12 07:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#15
Why aren't you out shooting looters?

#16 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-09-12 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

When was the last time a Leftist pushed for a Republican issue?
When was the last time a Tea Partier pushed for a liberal issue?

That is the dividing line..

#15 | Posted by boaz

A lot of the "leftist" positions used to be bi-partisan. Then the Republicans fell of the right-hand edge of the planet. The Republican party has been taken over by the John Birchers (who Barry Goldwater, Bill Buckley, et al., detested). The Democrats purged themselves of the "Dixiecrats" when LBJ signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts. The Republican party welcomed them. Now there is still a "solid south" but it is Republicans these days, not Democrats. What has happened, ironically, is that the Confederates have taken over the "Party Of Lincoln". This is the "save your Confederate money, boys, the south shall rise again" crowd. What issues do they have that a "liberal" could possibly push for?

#17 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-09-12 03:33 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That's a very sterilized way of describing it.

#18 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-09-12 04:01 PM | Reply

The larger problems are both parties are entirely dependent on big money, big oil, big banks, big pharma, big insurance...
Both parties have locked all competition out by making the price of entry impossible...
There is no legitimate reason for making trivial political discussion a commercial enterprise...
With most Republicans what you see is what you get.. why Americans are dumb enough to vote against their best interests is uniquely stupid...
With most Democrats and Trump what you hear and what you get have nothing to do with each other.

#19 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-09-12 07:57 PM | Reply

I think the last time I meant anything to be an American it was when we went to the Moon.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-12 07:58 PM | Reply

"When was the last time a Leftist pushed for a Republican issue?"

Barack Obama governed as a Republican. We paid for that with Donald Trump.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-12 09:10 PM | Reply

This article is proof positive that the problem with American politics are the people who think everyone else is the problem. Both parties are needed because their opinions help us maintain balance, it's the compromising and debating that are the issue. And since both sides think the other side is a "problem", there is no room for compromise.

But yeah, continue to believe in this nonsense and write articles about it. That way you help ensure that guys like Donald get voted in every cycle.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-13 12:05 PM | Reply

This article is proof positive that the problem with American politics are the people who think everyone else is the problem. Both parties are needed because their opinions help us maintain balance, it's the compromising and debating that are the issue. And since both sides think the other side is a "problem", there is no room for compromise.
But yeah, continue to believe in this nonsense and write articles about it. That way you help ensure that guys like Donald get voted in every cycle.

#22 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You are a perfect reflection of the article's main point. Republicans live in a fact free zone. While Democrats have sometimes exaggerated fears and concerns, they are pinned on real world issues. For Republicans, it isn't. Birtherism, fear of Muslim religion permeating law, mass numbers of illegal voters, etc. None of it is in any way connected to reality.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-13 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Typical we = good, they = bad crap.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ

Disprove it.

Dems have their faults, but their policies try to help the middle class and poor. They express empathy for people born into tough circumstances. They

Dems have proven to be better for the deficit, budget, and economy, despite repubs marketing themselves as better.

Dems care about the future of the planet, while repubs are the only people on earth still saying climate change is a scam.

Repub policies are always the same and totally predictable - do anything for the rich, anything for the military, anything for corporations, and screw everyone else. They now defend torture, white supremacy, colluding with our enemies, and environmental destruction.

Not only do they not help dems fix problems, they work to prevent problems from being fixed. Their thesis is that government is bad and can't solve problems, and they work hard at every opportunity to prove their thesis by sabotaging government efforts. How successful would any corporation be if half the people in the boardroom were trying to prove that corporations are evil? That's what republicans do to the government.

The only area repubs are better than dems is with the PC-police crap, but thats pretty low on our list of concerns right now.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-13 02:02 PM | Reply

Trump beat both parties.

Where's the problem?

#25 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-09-13 02:16 PM | Reply

Trump beat both parties.
Where's the problem?

#25 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Nope. He's Republican. And no one is walking away from that fact.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-09-13 02:38 PM | Reply

The Problem in American Politics is the GOP

And the problem with the GOP is conservative media, which has created an entirely fictional alternate reality where republicans live - where obama was the worst president ever who created the 2007 economic crash before he took office, where iraq was going fine til obama ruined it, where tax cuts for the rich help everyone, where letting companies trash the environment will help everyone, where trump isn't a con man, where global warming is a hoax, where the black panthers are preventing white people from voting, where millions of mexicans are voting illegally, where bengazi was the biggest scandal ever but russiagate is a nothingburger... i could go on for DAYS.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-13 09:04 PM | Reply

"You are a perfect reflection of the article's main point. Republicans live in a fact free zone."

You would be right if I were a Republican. People like you live in a fact-filled world as long as those facts support your cause or party. Both sides try to bring down the other by any means necessary. All it takes is reading the media on any given day to see stories against the Republicans that are obviously spin and stories that are obvious concerns, and on any given day you will see stories against Democrats that are obviously spin and stories that are obvious concerns.

Just because you refuse to accept that both sides act the same way because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it any less true. Thus...you are a perfect representation of the whole "we = good and they = bad" rhetoric. It's a shame that people actually exist who think their side can do no wrong and all other sides are only wrong. Which brings us back to my original point...you are why Trump got elected.

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-14 12:12 PM | Reply

Come on Speak, you are much smarter than that. I've been through 6 Presidents now since I left childhood and EVERY one of them was called the worst President ever by the opposing party. What you are saying is easily researched to show that both sides claim the world is going to end if xxx gets in office and while in office. Basically all you just said is that Reps protect Reps, so are you inferring that Dems don't protect Dems using the same tactics? Come on man...

#29 | Posted by humtake at 2017-09-14 12:20 PM | Reply

The worst president so far was GWB. He lied us into a war which killed hundreds of thousands of people. He lied us into the war because he and his advisors believed it was politically expedient. GWB belongs in prison as a war criminal in imho.

Trump is just a lying, clumsy turd by comparison.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-09-14 12:24 PM | Reply

Come on Speak, you are much smarter than that. I've been through 6 Presidents now since I left childhood and EVERY one of them was called the worst President ever by the opposing party. What you are saying is easily researched to show that both sides claim the world is going to end if xxx gets in office and while in office. Basically all you just said is that Reps protect Reps, so are you inferring that Dems don't protect Dems using the same tactics? Come on man...

#29 | Posted by humtake

You're smarter than to make such flimsy false equivalencies.

The difference being that repubs live in fiction and dems live in facts.

Repubs think obama is the worst ever, when obama presided over a massive economic recovery, didn't start any wars, didn't have any massive terror attacks, was dignified and respected.
Their "worst president ever" is based on NOTHING except his skin color.

Dems have a LOT more evidence for their claims of dubya or drumph being the worst ever and you know it.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-14 01:11 PM | Reply

Just because you refuse to accept that both sides act the same way because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it any less true. Thus...you are a perfect representation of the whole "we = good and they = bad" rhetoric. It's a shame that people actually exist who think their side can do no wrong and all other sides are only wrong. Which brings us back to my original point...you are why Trump got elected.

#28 | Posted by humtake

And you're a perfect representation of the false equivalency narrative that repubs desperately cling to these days.

They live in a world of FAKE threats by liberals, whereas liberals are angry about REAL threats and actions by repubs.

Find a single post where I've said dems can do no wrong. I challenge you.

All you'll find is me saying dems aren't great but repubs are terrible and you have to support the lesser evil.

Dems are CLEARLY the lesser evil, to anyone who lives in the real world.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-14 01:13 PM | Reply

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