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Sunday, September 10, 2017

With Hurricane Irma due to make landfall in Florida early Sunday morning, Tesla has unlocked its range-limited vehicles for Florida customers, extending the range of their vehicles to facilitate an easier evacuation from the storm. As a Tesla spokesperson confirmed to Electrek, Florida owners of Model S and Model X 60 and 60D vehicles temporarily have the full mileage capability of the vehicles' 75 kWh battery packs. The estimated 210 mile range of the 60 and 60D has been unlocked to achieve approximately 30 more miles.

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Nice of Tesla to do this for FL people

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-09-09 08:49 PM | Reply

Power rerouted from Deflector shields..

#2 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-09-09 11:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Why is it necessary for Tesla to "unlocked its range-limited vehicles?" Why were they "locked" in the first place?

#3 | Posted by et_al at 2017-09-10 12:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#3| POSTED BY ET_AL

Tesla previously offered a lower range option of its Model S and Model X that was software limited on range for a lower sticker cost. Since the vehicle still had the more capable hardware, owners had the option to later pay to unlock the full range their car was capable of. -FTA

This gesture by Tesla has inadvertently revealed a somewhat ridiculous pricing strategy.

So you pay thousands of dollars for a line of code that unlocks capabilities that your Tesla had all along....
That'd be like me buying a Dodge Demon and after I sign on the dotted line, the salesman says, "Oh, you want all 8 cylinders firing? Well, in that case...."
- also FTA

#4 | Posted by memyselfini at 2017-09-10 10:01 AM | Reply

Why is it necessary for Tesla to "unlocked its range-limited vehicles?" Why were they "locked" in the first place?

#3 | Posted by et_al

Because you just read 'fake news'.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-09-10 11:49 AM | Reply

Because you just read 'fake news'.

Is there any thought process at all involved in typing a meaningless comment like that?

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-09-10 12:03 PM | Reply

Why is it necessary for Tesla to "unlocked its range-limited vehicles?" Why were they "locked" in the first place?
#3 | Posted by et_al

Read the article.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-09-10 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This gesture by Tesla has inadvertently revealed a somewhat ridiculous pricing strategy."

That kind of thing is common with software. When a customer buys your product, you ship all the code, but their license only unlocks certain features.

Saves the IT dept. from having to reinstall when the business grows into the need to use more aspects of your software. The user just types in a new license and the features become available.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-10 12:26 PM | Reply

Is there any thought process at all involved in typing a meaningless comment like that?

#6 | Posted by REDIAL

Why would they limit the range of their car? The range is a big issue with electric cars.

What is YOUR thought process on limiting the range?

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-09-10 01:08 PM | Reply

Why is it necessary for Tesla to "unlocked its range-limited vehicles?" Why were they "locked" in the first place?

#3 | POSTED BY ET_AL AT 2017-09-10 12:31 AM | FLAG:

If you drain a LiPo battery beyond a certain point you can create long term damage in each battery cell. It's called "low-volting" in the RC world and causes the batteries to swell up and get disfigured and you have to replace it.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-10 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Why would they limit the range of their car?

Read #10.

The range is a big issue with electric cars.

Not really.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-09-10 03:00 PM | Reply

Nice of Tesla to do this for FL people. Fortunately the hurricane is only liberal hoax that the democrats and their allies in the media are cramming down out throats so it doesn't really matter anyway.

#1 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Fixed.

#12 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-09-10 07:07 PM | Reply

Nice of Tesla to do this for FL people. Fortunately the hurricane is only liberal hoax that the democrats and their allies in the media are cramming down out throats so it doesn't really matter anyway.

Let's go shoot with assault rifles it like the ******* we so obviously are.

#1 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Double fixed.

#13 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-09-10 07:08 PM | Reply

Lol :).

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-09-10 07:12 PM | Reply

Silence is in rare form today, are you channeling Chiefcocomoses? Or did Trump piss in your cornflakes this morning?

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-09-10 07:15 PM | Reply

The range is a big issue with electric cars.
Not really.

#11 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-09-10 03:00 PM | FLAG:

Range anxiety and slow charging will continue to be an issue that impacts sales. A 100% charge on a Tesla supercharger station takes 75 minutes, and it's not healthy for the battery that wants to be charged at 1C.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 10:05 AM | Reply

Actually I'm wrong on that being bad for the battery. A 1C charge rate is 1 hour time irrespective of volts/amp capacity on a LiPo battery and they're charging a little slower than that.

Going to need a hell of a lot of watts/amps to get that down to 10 minutes, and a major revolution in battery technology.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 10:57 AM | Reply

#17,

You are correct Sitzkrieg.

I'll wait to buy one when it gets down to two mins recharge and stations almost on every corner.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-11 12:43 PM | Reply

You can't even fill up your.... overcompensating truck in two minutes.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-09-11 12:45 PM | Reply

Right now, Electric cars are better than gas cars for city use and worse for long distance highway use.

It's that simple.

If you need to take a lot of long road trips and are impatient, don't buy a fully electric car. A volt would do fine for you though because it has a gas engine too.

If you've never driven an electric car and think they drive like a prius, go test drive one. They're awesome.

Most of the new ones are quiet, smooth, and fast.

But if you need a loud engine to drown out the insecurities you have about your undersized --------, electric cars probably aren't for you.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the US gas pumps are limited to 10 gallons per minute iirc. You're looking at under 4 minutes to fill a 20 gallon tank on average.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 01:23 PM | Reply

Right now, Electric cars are better than gas cars for city use and worse for long distance highway use.

#20 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 01:09 PM | FLAG:

Given that this is a disaster related thread, we also have to recognize that battery cars are a liability in a disaster. You're pinned to routes with chargers if you evacuate. If you don't and have no power, you aren't going anywhere. You can't just fill it up from a jug. Hybrids are vastly superior in this regard.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 01:25 PM | Reply

Hybrids are vastly superior in this regard.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Actually the best solution is a plug in hybrid, like the volt or BMW i3 with gas range extender.

If you can't find electricity, you burn gas. If you can't find gas, you use electricity.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plug-in Prius. It's a very good car with a solid track record and decades of development. The Volt is slated to be replaced by a plug-in Hybrid in 3 years or so. Never driven an i3 but heard good things.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 01:29 PM | Reply

Plug-in Prius. It's a very good car with a solid track record and decades of development. The Volt is slated to be replaced by a plug-in Hybrid in 3 years or so. Never driven an i3 but heard good things.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Most people who have driven both the plug in prius and volt prefer the volt.

A BMW dealer lent me an i3 for a 3 day test drive and I loved it. The official 0-60 time is like 7.2 seconds, but it feels much faster off the line because the torque is instant. You can get a used i3 with under 20k miles for less than $18k now too. One of the best used car deals you can find.

Used Gen1 volts are a steal too, going for $9-14k, and they have great reliability records.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 01:47 PM | Reply

Most people who have driven both the plug in prius and volt prefer the volt.

#25 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 01:47 PM | FLAG:

If you limit it to 1 specific model of the Prius, the Volt edged it in sales slightly in 2014. If you include all the versions of the Prius, it's no contest, the Prius sells and the Volt is being replaced with something different.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 02:41 PM | Reply

The official 0-60 time is like 7.2 seconds

#25 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 01:47 PM | FLAG:

Good lord that's slow for something with electric torque.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 02:42 PM | Reply

If you limit it to 1 specific model of the Prius, the Volt edged it in sales slightly in 2014. If you include all the versions of the Prius, it's no contest, the Prius sells and the Volt is being replaced with something different.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I'm talking owner reviews not sales numbers.

People who drive a prius and a volt mostly prefer the volt.

But many people don't consider the volt because of the conservative propaganda war against it.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:04 PM | Reply

Good lord that's slow for something with electric torque.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Drive one. It doesnt feel slow at all. 0-30mph it actually blows away most cars you can buy. And thats the part of the curve you use the most often.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:05 PM | Reply

What fast vehicles have you driven? Anything that can't get to 60 in under 5 seconds feels slow to me.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 03:06 PM | Reply

What fast vehicles have you driven? Anything that can't get to 60 in under 5 seconds feels slow to me.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Then you're likely a threat to most other motorists.

The only place to make regular safe use of sub 7 second 0-60 capabilities is the track.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:13 PM | Reply

The only place to make regular safe use of sub 7 second 0-60 capabilities is the track.

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

My car is sub 7 second 0-60 and it's not unsafe to max out.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 03:22 PM | Reply

Cool video showing gutted, stock Tesla going up against suped up mod cars. Tesla beats most and keeps up with others. Fun juxtaposition considering electric vs. gas powered.

www.youtube.com

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-09-11 03:29 PM | Reply

Then you're likely a threat to most other motorists.
The only place to make regular safe use of sub 7 second 0-60 capabilities is the track.

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 03:13 PM | FLAG:

Dodge the question completely, relocate the goal posts to another county lol. So, what fast cars have you driven? It's okay to say none. Most people will never drive a car that's even "quick", let alone one that's actually fast.

There are many sub 7 second cars that are not made for the track. A WRX will do 0 to 60 in 5.1. The slightly more track oriented, but very at home on streets, WRX STi is a 4.5 second car. They feel fast off the line, but the AWD and traction control give you incredible grip. Very fun cars. Hell even Kia makes a 4 door, daily driver sedan, that gets to 60 in under 7 seconds.

and when to use it? Drive in Houston and you will understand.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 03:29 PM | Reply

My car is sub 7 second 0-60 and it's not unsafe to max out.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ

So is mine but how often do you do it?

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:30 PM | Reply

So is mine but how often do you do it?
#35 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
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I get on it all of the time. It's fun.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 03:31 PM | Reply

Dodge the question completely, relocate the goal posts to another county lol. So, what fast cars have you driven? It's okay to say none. Most people will never drive a car that's even "quick", let alone one that's actually fast.

There are many sub 7 second cars that are not made for the track. A WRX will do 0 to 60 in 5.1. The slightly more track oriented, but very at home on streets, WRX STi is a 4.5 second car. They feel fast off the line, but the AWD and traction control give you incredible grip. Very fun cars. Hell even Kia makes a 4 door, daily driver sedan, that gets to 60 in under 7 seconds.

and when to use it? Drive in Houston and you will understand.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg

My old RX7 would do 0-60 in 5.1 but who cares?

If you're not on the track 7 seconds is plenty for cutting through traffic, merging, passing, whatever you need to do, especially with electric torque. And it's a lot more fun and effortless too.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:33 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, the list of fast cars I've driven is very short.

I did 10 laps in a 600 HP Pontiac Grand Prix at the Disney World track.

Outside of that, the fastest car I've driven is my cousin's '17 Mustang GT. 435 horsepower.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 03:34 PM | Reply

My current infiniti 0-60 is about 6 seconds but I've rare use it. It's so loud and hard on the engine it sounds like it's going to blow up.

When i had the electric i3 for the weekend I did a lot more fast driving because it was so much more effortless and smooth.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 03:35 PM | Reply

#33

I'd like to see how a Tesla does with 1/4 charge left on the batteries.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 03:36 PM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I'm really digging the 2017 WRX. It's a lot more sleek than previous models, but from what my neighbor tells me, just as powerful and fun to drive. I'll be looking at the 2017 or maybe 2018 WRX a few years down the road if I'm unable to get a my hands on a baseline Tesla. I really enjoy the idea of an 8 year, 100,000 mile warranty on a quality (?) car like that. Funny though, it was always the 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty that I shied away from in college. I just couldn't wrap my brain around buying a $7,000 brand new car because it such an awesome warranty. I warned my buddy about this, he ignored me, bought a brand new Hyundai Accent for $7,000 and the POS broke down on the drive home from the lot. The dealership had it and my buddy towed back to the lot where he got to choose another one. So he did and by god did he ever utilize that warranty, probably once every couple/few months. I drive a Honda and utilized my warranty once so far.

At the time, I thought there was something to be said about a car company covering its poor performance and reliability with a FANTASTIC warranty. My buddy proved me right (he got rid of the Accent after 2 years of being laughed at). But now, I'm taking on his exact mentality of the time regarding the new Teslas.

Anyone have good reasoning to believe reliability and performance should be an expected issue? Justifying such a solid warranty? I haven't yet, but I know it may be too early to tell.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-09-11 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My Focus ST doesn't sound strained at the red-line.

My '04 545i sounds great at full throttle.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-09-11 03:39 PM | Reply

I'd like to see how a Tesla does with 1/4 charge left on the batteries.
#40 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Draws down fuel cell more than the mod cars did on their gas tanks, I'd imagine.

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-09-11 03:41 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 03:33 PM | REPLY

you set the metric that a 7 sec to 60 time feels fast. I disagreed, wondering what you are comparing it to. now you keep relocating the goal posts to track use and daily driving habits.

sorry, been in fast cars. 7 to 60 feels slow. 4.5 feels quick. 3.1 is kinda scary.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 04:02 PM | Reply

I wish there was something like a hybrid version of the tesla model X available in the market :/

#45 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-09-11 04:03 PM | Reply

you set the metric that a 7 sec to 60 time feels fast. I disagreed, wondering what you are comparing it to. now you keep relocating the goal posts to track use and daily driving habits.

sorry, been in fast cars. 7 to 60 feels slow. 4.5 feels quick. 3.1 is kinda scary.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg

7 sec 0-60 feels faster in an electric car than in a gas car because you get all the torque instantly.

That's why the i3's 0-30 time (the part of the acceleration curve you use the most often) beats much more powerful gas cars.

insideevs.com

"Apart from the wonderful theatre of the M3 V8, which howls gloriously, you can see that the i3 stays ahead initially because its wall of immediately available torque, delivered with no gear changes and crossed with low kerb weight, makes it a true super-car baiter in the 0-40mph stakes.

The M3, initially bogged down by its higher weight and inertia, settles into its stride and eventually takes the i3, but only in the 50-60mph segment. "

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 04:07 PM | Reply

I still prefer the 1968 Chevelle I had for pure sensation of driving power. I wish I had not parted with it. That 174 B&M Blower had the prettiest whine.

#47 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-09-11 05:11 PM | Reply

7 sec 0-60 feels faster in an electric car than in a gas car because you get all the torque instantly.

#46 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 04:07 PM | REPLY

Not one AWD example used. Try one and get back to me. Launch a WRX and launch an i3 and then tell me what you think feels faster.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 05:17 PM | Reply

Now the Tesla P90 is AWD. That one feels fast, and is very quick off the line. It even has a very impressive 0-100-0 time considering that it's almost 1500 pounds heavier than everything else in that class. The weight kills it on the track though. It can't even finish 1 lap on Nurburgring at full power.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 05:28 PM | Reply

Not one AWD example used. Try one and get back to me. Launch a WRX and launch an i3 and then tell me what you think feels faster.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It's about the torque curve. AWD doesn't create torque at lower RPM than RWD or FWD does, it just keeps you from spinning your tires.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 06:10 PM | Reply

Okay now I'm certain you've never owned a car that has launch control.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 07:32 PM | Reply

I like the sub 4 sec power from my M760i, the biggest and fastest car BMW makes until the new M5 is out, which is as fast i think.

#52 | Posted by blake914 at 2017-09-11 07:38 PM | Reply

The new M8 is really quick. their trickle down f1 hybrid tech is paying dividends.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-11 08:07 PM | Reply

Okay now I'm certain you've never owned a car that has launch control.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Nope. But that's kind of the point. With an EV you don't need launch control. You just hit the pedal and you're gone. No revving up, reaching RPM, making noise and letting go.

How often do you use launch control on your way home from work?

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-11 08:38 PM | Reply

How often do you use launch control on your way home from work?

More than you would think. I mash the pedal on my hybrid any time I have room to do it... it's fun.

High G's in a car are like big clips in autoloader rifles... don't need them, but good for ----- & giggles.

#55 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-09-11 09:25 PM | Reply

How often do you use launch control on your way home from work?

#54 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-11 08:38 PM | FLAG:

How often do you smash the pedal off of every light to get that 0 to 30 you think is fast? Rarely, and only when you're at the front of the line. How long do you think your battery is actually going to last driving as inefficiently as you possibly can?

Long story short, since this is all highly subjective, and we're discussing a $48,300 grocery getting hatchback, if you want me to believe that car 0 to 30 feels fast we're going to need telemetry with the G at launch I can compare to cars I know feel fast.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 09:20 AM | Reply

Outside of that, the fastest car I've driven is my cousin's '17 Mustang GT. 435 horsepower.

I've owned about 5 Mustang GT's. This '17 I bought scares me. I used to punch the other GT's regularly. Maybe it's because I'm older and not as crazy as I was in my 20's and 30's. I went up to Michigan and had this Mustang ordered. They delivered it to me in a covered truck. I took delivery at Parkway Ford here in Winston during Mustang week. The car had 1 mile on it and I put it directly on the dyno they had there so people could test their mustangs. With the mods I got from Ford Motorsports, it dyno'ed out at 450 at the rear wheels and the governor kicked in at 150 MPH. It's got the track pack modification and it's very fast. The Pirelli Pzero tires burned up real quick. I just recently put BF Goodrich's on.

Best fun you can have with your clothes on.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2017-09-12 09:53 AM | Reply

Best fun you can have with your clothes on.

#57 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2017-09-12 09:53 AM | FLAG:

Nope. It's acro flights in open cockpit aircraft.

#58 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How often do you smash the pedal off of every light to get that 0 to 30 you think is fast? Rarely, and only when you're at the front of the line. How long do you think your battery is actually going to last driving as inefficiently as you possibly can?

Long story short, since this is all highly subjective, and we're discussing a $48,300 grocery getting hatchback, if you want me to believe that car 0 to 30 feels fast we're going to need telemetry with the G at launch I can compare to cars I know feel fast.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Actually, you can buy one used with under 20k miles for less than $18k.

Go test drive one. Mash the accelerator. It'll change your tune.

Once you let go of your preconceptions that power = VROOOOM!, you'll see the future is much faster and much quieter.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-12 01:18 PM | Reply

I queried the used listings. You can get in a 2014 with extended range for a little over $16k, which is the top of the line model for its year. Unfortunately that means it has an above average depreciation rate, and you don't get the new car bumper to bumper warranty even when it's certified. In a hot climate you're looking at around 8% battery degredation on a 3 year old i3. You'll want to replace it in about 4 years (average length of us car ownership currently) for about $1800 + labor to get back to stock performance. 19 used are for sale in Houston, I'll go give one a spin because why the hell not? Sounds fun. I have minimal expectations though from a 3000 pound car with only 168hp though, a linear power curve isn't going to make that leap up and go like hell.

I don't have a preconception about noise level. It's the G load at launch. I'm actually a huge fan of electric motors. All but 1 of my model aircraft are electric, and only because once you hit 8 cell lipos/esc/motor combos it's no longer cost efficient vs liquid fuel. The gas planes tend to get double the flight time and a near instant turnaround. The old guys (rc flying is generally an old man hobby) make fun of the electric planes, but they also have to tune stuff, replace bearings, and clean nasty oil slicks off their toys at the end of the day. I just pack up and go home with no hassle. Electric ftw... right up to about 30cc...

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 02:55 PM | Reply

Unfortunately that means it has an above average depreciation rate, and you don't get the new car bumper to bumper warranty even when it's certified. In a hot climate you're looking at around 8% battery degredation on a 3 year old i3.
#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg

You're describing the Nissan Leaf battery, which is not liquid cooled.
The i3's battery is thermally managed and are holding up much better.

Yeah the depreciation is bad, that's why you can get such a great car for so cheap. If you buy used, the worst part of the depreciation has already been eaten by someone else.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-12 04:47 PM | Reply

I'd love to hear your feedback after you go for a drive.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-12 04:48 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I drive an 09 WRX. My second Subaru. First one (NA) made it to 239k miles. The maintenance isn't bad as long as you are diligent about checking/changing the oil. 0-60 in 4.1 (factory rating) thanks to a different 2nd and 3rd gear ratios compared to the newer generation. And of course you can modify them fairly inexpensively.

If you like to drive, it is a great choice.

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-09-12 05:14 PM | Reply

You're describing the Nissan Leaf battery, which is not liquid cooled.
The i3's battery is thermally managed and are holding up much better.

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-09-12 04:47 PM | REPLY

Actually I'm describing real world tests results on the i3. The early Leaf fared much worse. 30% degradation within a few years.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 05:46 PM | Reply

Nissan did take care of that under warranty though, iirc.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 06:02 PM | Reply

Actually I'm describing real world tests results on the i3.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Here's a very detailed test which showed degradation of 4% after 3 years:

www.bmwblog.com

And the degradation isn't a straight line. I think I read starts rather quickly, then slows down for most of the life of the battery, then speeds up near the end of its life.

Tesla and GM's volt batteries are holding up much better. GM does it by only letting you use the middle portion of the battery.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-09-12 06:15 PM | Reply

read that one before.

you have to manage rc batteries by timer and averaging how many mah put back in. you want to land at 80% usage and charge over a 50 min period to maximize the cell life. and cool with a 120mm cpu fan.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-09-12 06:44 PM | Reply

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