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The science envoy for the State Department has resigned following President Trump's response to the violent clashes at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va. Daniel Kammen announced his resignation in a letter addressed to Trump -- in which the first letter of every paragraph spelled out "Impeach." "My decision to resign is in response to your attacks on core values of the United States," Kammen said in the letter. "Your failure to condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis has domestic and international ramifications."

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Kammen said it is particularly troubling to him that Trump's response to Charlottesville is "consistent with a broader pattern of behavior that enables sexism and racism, and disregards the welfare of Americans, the global community and the planet. ...

"Examples of this destructive pattern have consequences on my duties as Science Envoy," he said.

"Your decision to abdicate the leadership opportunities and job creation benefits of the Paris Climate Accord, and to undermine energy and environmental research are not acceptable to me."

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Well done sir!

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-24 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This word should be on the tongues of everyone in the country.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-24 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

russian spy - nope.

neo nazi - nope.

southern racist - nope.

mental health issues - nope.

his hair! they have to go after his hair next!

DENY DISRUPT DEGRADE DECEIVE

#3 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-08-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-08-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Was one of afkabl2's most devoted students

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2017-08-24 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

As much as I despise Donald Trump, impeachment without a criminal charge would probably backfire and further antagonize the RWNJs into new violence, possibly even sparking a civil war.

#5 | Posted by cbob at 2017-08-24 11:20 AM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY AUNTIESOCIAL:
russian tool - yes.
neo nazi sympathizer - yes.
racist - yes.
mental health issues - put him in a padded cell.
his hair! they have to go after his hair next! - If you say so.
DODGE DUCK DIP DIVE DODGE - the 5 D's of dodgeball.

Keep pretending though, auntie!

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 11:51 AM | Reply

Oooooo, clever! Of no consequence whatsoever but I am sure it made them feel bold and empowered. It is all about the feelings after all.

#7 | Posted by MOTGK at 2017-08-24 11:52 AM | Reply

Good to see there isn't any politics mixed in with the science dept. (did I day that sarcastically enough?)

#8 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 12:06 PM | Reply

"It is all about the feelings after all.
#7 | POSTED BY MOTGK"

That's what Republicans tell me: youtu.be

#9 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 12:06 PM | Reply

As much as I despise Donald Trump, impeachment without a criminal charge would probably backfire and further antagonize the RWNJs into new violence, possibly even sparking a civil war.

#5 | Posted by cbob

Impeachment is designed to address political crimes. Abuse of power would have been a prominent concern for the Founders who were looking to get away from having a king as head of government. "High Crimes" would have been interpreted by them as abuse of office. Obstructing justice by firing the people investigating him certainly constitutes an abuse of office and thus would be impeachable. Not that I expect it to happen, given the composition of Congress, but it would be legitimate.

"high crimes and misdemeanors," a British term of art borrowed by the Framers, does not refer to penal offenses. It refers to what Hamilton called "the misconduct of public men, or in other words . . . the abuse or violation of some public trust." Such misconduct need not be an indictable wrong. It could involve dereliction of duty, lies to Congress or the public about serious matters, the failure to honor an oath (such as the oath to execute the laws faithfully), and any conduct that intentionally undermines the governing framework that safeguards our liberties and security

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com

By the way, this National Review writer was referring to justification for impeaching Obama at the time.

#10 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-08-24 12:22 PM | Reply

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#5 - I feel like crimes are not a high bar with this guy

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-24 12:55 PM | Reply

What are the core values of the United States?

Sorry, but after reading post after post on the Drudge, there seems to be a lot of variances.

#12 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-08-24 01:17 PM | Reply

"What are the core values of the United States?"

I know!

"When you're a star, you can get away with it."

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-24 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"What are the core values of the United States?"

Liberals: It takes a village.

Conservatives: Me, mine, I... and did I mention Me?

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2017-08-24 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is an old trick, one of the lawyers who trained me back in the early 80's used to do this all the time in letters to opposing counsel that he despised.

Unfortunately it doesn't work in emails with automatic resizing, you need to send a .pdf to pull it off.

#15 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-08-24 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good to see there isn't any politics mixed in with the science dept. (did I day that sarcastically enough?)

#8 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

Yeah I guess common sense, ethics, and rational thinking are now POLITICAL. Thanks GOP and exxon.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 02:06 PM | Reply

Oooooo, clever! Of no consequence whatsoever but I am sure it made them feel bold and empowered. It is all about the feelings after all.

#7 | Posted by MOTGK

Yeah it's all about how it FEELS to get run over by a trump-inspired neo nazi in a muscle car.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 02:07 PM | Reply

#16 Interesting? The letter spelled out what again? Why did it do that? That had to do what, with science and spreading science to foreign nations? Thank DNC we had that person watching our information & data that makes me sleep better at night.

#18 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 02:22 PM | Reply

#16 Interesting? The letter spelled out what again? Why did it do that? That had to do what, with science and spreading science to foreign nations? Thank DNC we had that person watching our information & data that makes me sleep better at night.

#18 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

I'm sure you sleep better with fossil fuel lobbyists in charge of our environmental policies than actual scientists.

That says a lot more about you than it does about them.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 02:55 PM | Reply

Weak response Speaks. Is that because you can't answer the questions, without admitting I'm right with the response?

So you're assigning me what position?

What does it say about me, you peaked my interest please do tell?

Any scientist with a personal bias is a bad scientist Speaks. What makes this one better?

#20 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 03:19 PM | Reply

#20; trump and the GOP are anti-science. They made it a political situation, not the author of this resignation letter.

Nice try though.

#21 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 03:24 PM | Reply

#22 Hold the horses Dr. Jones.... What did the author spell out???? Seems politically motivated doesn't it? Try again. If that wasn't done then you may have some ground to stand on... but it was..

#22 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 03:28 PM | Reply

Any scientist with a personal bias is a bad scientist Speaks. What makes this one better?

#20 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

Define personal bias. In ANY field or just in his own field?
Do you consider it to be BIASED for a scientist to rely on scientific studies and not exxon's propaganda?

Where is the evidence that this scientist shows bias in his work?

You cannot require all government employees to have no political opinions, with a claim that it will affect their work.

It's not the fault of scientist that their field has been politicized by polluters trying to maintain their profits.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 03:47 PM | Reply

The science envoy for the State Department has resigned following President Trump's response to the violent clashes at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.

Daniel Kammen announced his resignation in a letter addressed to Trump -- in which the first letter of every paragraph spelled out "Impeach."

"My decision to resign is in response to your attacks on core values of the United States," Kammen said in the letter.

"Your failure to condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis has domestic and international ramifications."

Mr. President, I am resigning as Science Envoy. Your response to Charlottesville enables racism, sexism, & harms our country and planet. pic.twitter.com/eWzDc5Yw6t

-- Daniel M Kammen (@dan_kammen) August 23, 2017

Say what again????

#24 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 03:51 PM | Reply

--Mr. President, I am resigning as Science Envoy. Your response to Charlottesville enables racism, sexism, & harms our country and planet.

Just proves that so-called "science envoys" have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with political-correctness.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-24 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just proves that so-called "science envoys" have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with political-correctness.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

It proves no such thing.

All it proves is decent intelligent people have ethical objections to serving monsters.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 04:09 PM | Reply

His credentials say that, financially, this was easy to do - quit.

However, he could do more good doing the job than leaving it.

#27 | Posted by Petrous at 2017-08-24 04:11 PM | Reply

--It proves no such thing.

Nope. You're wrong. His statement speaks for itself.

Oops.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-24 04:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Hold the horses Dr. Jones.... What did the author spell out???? Seems politically motivated doesn't it? Try again.
#22 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN"

Pinkybrain, try reading comments before you respond to them. I will say it again for you; trump and the GOP are anti-science. They made it a political situation. His political trickery was a response to the GOP's war on science. If they hadn't politicized science to the detriment of mankind, he wouldn't have needed to make a political statement.

#29 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As much as I despise Donald Trump, impeachment without a criminal charge would probably backfire and further antagonize the RWNJs into new violence, possibly even sparking a civil war.

#5 | Posted by cbob

Impeachment is designed to address political crimes. Abuse of power would have been a prominent concern for the Founders who were looking to get away from having a king as head of government. "High Crimes" would have been interpreted by them as abuse of office. Obstructing justice by firing the people investigating him certainly constitutes an abuse of office and thus would be impeachable. Not that I expect it to happen, given the composition of Congress, but it would be legitimate.

"high crimes and misdemeanors," a British term of art borrowed by the Framers, does not refer to penal offenses. It refers to what Hamilton called "the misconduct of public men, or in other words . . . the abuse or violation of some public trust." Such misconduct need not be an indictable wrong. It could involve dereliction of duty, lies to Congress or the public about serious matters, the failure to honor an oath (such as the oath to execute the laws faithfully), and any conduct that intentionally undermines the governing framework that safeguards our liberties and security

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com
By the way, this National Review writer was referring to justification for impeaching Obama at the time.

#10 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2017-08-24 12:22 PM | FLAG:

Oh, I know. Legally you are correct. I'm just saying don't expect such a process, if it takes place, to be tolerated by the Trumpist unintelligentsia. They already refuse to believe facts right in front of their own eyes. The higher standard required by criminal charges might (might!) carry a little more weight.

#30 | Posted by cbob at 2017-08-24 04:31 PM | Reply

#30 Or he could have simply resigned without making it about political theatre... That would have made a bigger statement then what he did.

Did you read this: Mr. President, I am resigning as Science Envoy. Your response to Charlottesville enables racism, sexism, & harms our country and planet.

What does that have to do with his job? I'll answer that real quick for ya not a damn thing.

#31 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 04:36 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY CBOB

It won't matter. True Trump supporters are tied to his hip come hell or high water. It's borderline religious fanaticism at this point. Some people simply cannot admit that they were wrong. Unfortunately, the rest of America may very well have to pay for that significant psychological construct.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-24 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 was response to #29

#33 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 04:37 PM | Reply

What does that have to do with his job?
#31 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

I'll retort your real quick answer with this: His boss is a liar and, on the surface, ethically corrupt. That has EVERYTHING to do with his job since Trump is the man's boss.

Sometimes working for a POS simply isn't worth the money or title. Making that determination is the first responsibility I consider when first entering a new job; getting to know work environment, coworkers, supervisor, and top boss is definitely part of your job. If you determine said environment is not conducive regarding your ability to complete your job effectively, should you swallow it and suffer the potential subsequent consequences (low morale, anxiety, loss of productivity, etc.) or do you remain honest with yourself and your employer via resignation?

That is clearly part of ANY job.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-24 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He should've blinked 'help me' in morse code.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-08-24 04:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#34 When you do resign based on that RSTYBEACH11 to you send an email to every business contact or take an ad out in the local paper to announce to the world why? or do you just resign and move on because your boss was a liar and, on the surface, ethically corrupt.

Do tell...

#36 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 04:54 PM | Reply

--What does that have to do with his job? I'll answer that real quick for ya not a damn thing.

Not a damn thing. It just shows how politicized science has become. It's sad, because you can't believe anything they say. Just another grant-grubbing special-interest group.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-24 05:10 PM | Reply

Nope. You're wrong. His statement speaks for itself.

Oops.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian

His statement says that all of the work he's done in his job has had nothing to do with science?

That's what you claimed.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 05:41 PM | Reply

Not a damn thing. It just shows how politicized science has become. It's sad, because you can't believe anything they say. Just another grant-grubbing special-interest group.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian

Yeah science was politicized by the polluters who were scared of being less rich, so they bough themselves a political party, some media outlets, now they get suckers to spew their lies for free.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#30 Or he could have simply resigned without making it about political theatre... That would have made a bigger statement then what he did.

#31 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

A bigger statement is the one people hear about. If he didn't write what he did no one would have ever known he existed.

Now they do and they see an example of ethics in action.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's what ethics looks like to you? Sad. In my book that's lack there of. I wouldn't hire him to pick up your trash.

But I'm sure that'll help him get his new job as a climate scientists right? You want to place a wager that his next job?

I still don't care who he is, because as far as I'm concerned he's now a no name hack that got his 15 mins of fame is is done..

#41 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 05:53 PM | Reply

What's a "science envoy" anyway? A fake scientist? Political activist masquerading as a scientist?

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-24 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's what ethics looks like to you? Sad. In my book that's lack there of. I wouldn't hire him to pick up your trash.

But I'm sure that'll help him get his new job as a climate scientists right? You want to place a wager that his next job?

I still don't care who he is, because as far as I'm concerned he's now a no name hack that got his 15 mins of fame is is done..

#41 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain

If he really want to make money he can just go work for the polluters and say climate change is a hoax.

You're just pissed that someone dared publicly disrespect the most immoral disgraceful president we've ever had, because you love the fact that we have an immoral disgraceful president.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 06:01 PM | Reply

What's a "science envoy" anyway? A fake scientist? Political activist masquerading as a scientist?

#42 | Posted by nullifidian

I bet there are a lot of jobs you haven't heard of in kindergarten.

Just because someone isn't a fireman or coal miner doesn't mean they have a fake job.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-24 06:03 PM | Reply

"That's what ethics looks like to you? Sad. In my book that's lack there of.
#41 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN "

Pinky that surprises no one. It is well established on this site that you are morally bankrupt.

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 06:05 PM | Reply

#43 Interesting so me where in all my posting history that is a fact. I'll wait...

#45 Care to back that up, Dr Jones?

It's always nice when you two start to lose an argument and go that route.

#46 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 06:27 PM | Reply

*show

#47 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 06:28 PM | Reply

What's a "science envoy" anyway? A fake scientist? Political activist masquerading as a scientist?

#42 | Posted by nullifidian

Suffering from the Fox News lazy brain syndrome?

It is a Scientist or Engineer masquerading as a Scientist or Engineer.

wow... that was tough Nulli. Took all of 0.56 seconds to figure that out.

lmgtfy.com

2009-2017.state.gov

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-08-24 06:51 PM | Reply

#46:

Pinky, here you go:

Jason

Seniority: 358

Party: None

Ideology: Conservative


Source:
www.drudge.com

There it is in boldface, proof of your moral bankruptcy.

#49 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 07:00 PM | Reply

Lmao..... ok if that's all it takes Dr. Jones, then I'll add you to the list on mentality challenged fair?

Sorry I took you serious for a second...my bad. That was good though. Lol.

#50 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some people you keep employed and monitored because you don't want them angry and with time on their hands.

Ever hear of the hacker Joybubbles?

Imagine if he had wanted to hurt someone.

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2017-08-24 07:27 PM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Couldn't help myself. I don't think conservatives are all immoral, I just think they are unable to see how their policies are immoral or have immoral consequences.

#52 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 09:23 PM | Reply

"Just proves that so-called "science envoys" have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with political-correctness."

Of course an envoy is a political position.

"Envoy" is not a job title that conjures to mind a scientist, working in a lab.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-24 10:39 PM | Reply

en·voy
ˈenˌvoi,ˈänˌvoi/Submit
noun
1.
a messenger or representative, especially one on a diplomatic mission.
synonyms: ambassador, emissary, diplomat, consul, attaché, chargé d'affaires, plenipotentiary;

So a science messenger isn't a scientist?

dip·lo·mat
ˈdipləˌmat/Submit
noun
an official representing a country abroad.

The definition of his job was to be our scientific messenger to countries abroad. That is not a political position.

#54 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 11:16 PM | Reply

I just think they are unable to see how their policies are immoral or have immoral consequences.

#52 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

What you dont understand is I'd rather have the freedom to make those choices and have that as a consequence then to have a socialist society were the choice is no longer mine. Equity for all is not always a good thing,

So we'll agree to disagree I guess.

#55 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-24 11:24 PM | Reply

"The definition of his job was to be our scientific messenger to countries abroad. That is not a political position."

Get real. Obviously that's a political position.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-25 12:21 PM | Reply

No that's a skill set to talk to people about science and teach them.....

Not a position to rant and rave about your boss, or his own personal ideology, don't fool yourself. I shouldn't know this guys politics and it's sad that I do.

Trumps position on many things is wrong but that does not make what this tool did right

IMHO Also sheds light on how affected scientist currently are right now, to their political ideology and not the data. Bias

#57 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-25 12:53 PM | Reply

"Equity for all is not always a good thing"

Not sure what that even means.
Not sure it's worth pursuing, since you don't know that a government envoy performs a political function.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-25 09:46 PM | Reply

Didn't know there was such a thing as a "science envoy".

I'm glad these useless people working in useless jobs are self-identifying as such.

#59 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-08-25 10:41 PM | Reply

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