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Wednesday, August 23, 2017

A growing number of key congressional Republicans are considering a controversial maneuver that would allow for about $450 billion of tax cuts without offsets, according to four congressional aides familiar with the discussions. Under the proposal, the GOP would not account for things like expiring tax breaks when gauging the budgetary impact of tax legislation -- giving tax writers more room for cuts. Senate budget and tax panels are discussing the move to a "current policy" baseline -- instead of the standard "current law" baseline -- said the people who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. The chief House tax writer, Kevin Brady, also signaled openness to the approach last month, saying it would lead to deeper tax cuts.

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The switch would risk a backlash from Democrats and deficit hawks. "This decision would represent a huge break in precedent, would weaken budget discipline to allow Congress to add over half a trillion dollars to the debt," the nonpartisan Committee For a Responsible Federal Budget said in a letter earlier this month.

The governments in the US collect about $4.1 trillion in a year income and payroll taxes. Income tax is where governments collect the most tax: in federal, state, and local income tax they will collect about $2.4 trillion in 2017.

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-22 03:46 PM | Reply

Deficit hawks were scared away by these crickets.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-22 04:33 PM | Reply


I was surprised that the "fiscally-responsible" GOP would intentionally try to pass a budget that, apparently willingly and knowingly, denies reality.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-22 05:01 PM | Reply

I wasn't.

#4 | Posted by squinch at 2017-08-22 07:02 PM | Reply

If cutting taxes failed to boost economies in Kansas and Oklahoma. It will definitely work when applied nationally!!

~Brain Dead Republicans.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-08-22 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#5 ... If cutting taxes failed to boost economies in Kansas ...

The Kansas "experiment" was an interesting one.

From what I saw, there were significant tax cuts, mainly for the wealthy. The "trickle down" effect failed to work (again!?!) and the economy of Kansas started to have a less than optimum experience.

When the taxes were raised once again to try to right the ship, the taxes of the middle class were raised by a much higher rate than the taxes of the wealthy.

At that time I wrote on this august site that this was the plan from the beginning, i.e., massive tax cuts that focus on the wealthy. Then, when the folly becomes apparent, taxes are increased, but the increases hit the middle class more than the wealthy.

The whole folly was planned to increase the taxes on the middle class and decrease the taxes on the wealthy.

It played out in Kansas, and now it seems to be playing out at a national level.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-22 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When the taxes were raised once again to try to right the ship, the taxes of the middle class were raised by a much higher rate than the taxes of the wealthy.

That is always the plan.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-23 07:24 AM | Reply

The rich scheme to shift tax burdens onto the working class, so it is, so it always has been, so it always will be.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-23 10:55 AM | Reply

I see we are back to Deficits don't matter.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-23 11:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The rich scheme to shift tax burdens onto the working class, so it is, so it always has been, so it always will be.

It's called broadening the tax base.

#10 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-08-23 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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The rich scheme to shift tax burdens onto the working class, so it is, so it always has been, so it always will be.
It's called broadening the tax base.

#10 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS AT 2017-08-23 11:47 AM

No, It isn't. Broadening the tax base means raising the number of taxpayers so everyone pays less. This is merely shifting the burden from one group of existing taxpayers to another. It is Robin hood in reverse. Making Joe Six pack cough up some of his rent money so the rich can upgrade their gold toilets to platinum.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-23 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No, It isn't. Broadening the tax base means raising the number of taxpayers so everyone pays less. This is merely shifting the burden from one group of existing taxpayers to another. It is Robin hood in reverse. Making Joe Six pack cough up some of his rent money so the rich can upgrade their gold toilets to platinum.

#11 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2017-08-23 12:57 PM | FLAG:

Don't forget the #Hermes scarves!

#12 | Posted by cbob at 2017-08-23 01:02 PM | Reply

It's called broadening the tax base.

#10 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS

Of course it is. They can't very well call it "screwing over the middle class". They have to put it into flowery terms that are too complex for their simple-minded base to understand.

#13 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-08-23 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My entire life the GOP has been irresponsible fiscally, so how the heck have they been able to brand themselves as the fiscally responsible party for so long?

#14 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-23 02:30 PM | Reply

My entire life the GOP has been irresponsible fiscally, so how the heck have they been able to brand themselves as the fiscally responsible party for so long?

#14 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Democrats suck at messaging.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-23 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Tax cuts for the One-Percenters, for which the rest of us will be expected to pay.
That you, GOPiggies and Trumpfists.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-08-23 02:50 PM | Reply

Jesus where are all the self anointed deficit hawks from the Obama years?

Snoops?

Jeffy?

Babbles?

Stang?

Trumpfish?

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-23 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Democrats suck at messaging.
#15 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

Few truer words have ever been typed into the DR.

#18 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-23 03:01 PM | Reply

Democrats suck at messaging.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant

Sadly, "progressives" are not as good as "conservatives" at conscious deception. I've never known a salesman (I've worked with quite a few) who was a great closer who was also "liberal" or "progressive". They're great at persuasion, but they are usually also quite cynical, not necessarily believing what they say. Whatever it takes to make the sale. "Progressives" tend to be more sincere, to their disadvantage. It's hard to offer a sincere solution to anything on a bumper sticker. Our problems in this country today are complex and don't actually lend themselves to simplistic solutions.

#19 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2017-08-23 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This amount is a huge portion of taxes taken in and I understand there are more cuts in addition to these.

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-23 03:52 PM | Reply

Republican plan for governing:

1) cut taxes
2) increase spending
3) Suddenly temporarily become deficit hawks
4) Use deficit as excuse to raise taxes and cut services for everyone else
5) repeat until only OTHER people are paying taxes and only they get government services

#21 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-23 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow who knew Liberals could be so fiscally responsible?

"A growing number of key congressional Republicans are considering a controversial maneuver that would allow for about $450 billion of tax cuts without offsets,"

As apposed to the DNC way of adding $450 billion in spending without funding.

Defund the Fed.

#22 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-08-23 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, It isn't. Broadening the tax base means raising the number of taxpayers so everyone pays less.
If people are paying taxes that haven't paid taxes before, everyone is NOT paying less.

But nowadays the phrase "broadening the tax base" is often used in conjunction with calls for more people to pay federal income taxes, with nearly half the population accused of paying no taxes at all.

www.accountingtoday.com

Of course it is. They can't very well call it "screwing over the middle class". They have to put it into flowery terms that are too complex for their simple-minded base to understand.

Politicians in general and republicans in particular are very good at masking their intent with obfuscating language. Republicans have relied on Frank Luntz led focus groups to tailor their message(s) to great effect.

#23 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-08-24 06:01 AM | Reply

Well, those of you who didn't care that Obama was increasing the burden by large amounts, then you can't be mad at Trump for doing it, too. In fact, if you are at all surprised by this then that really says something about you.

#24 | Posted by humtake at 2017-08-24 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Do you even know what the deficit is? Obama decreased it by 2/3rds -- not "increased the burden by large amounts" You're living in the GOP fantasyland.

#25 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-24 12:25 PM | Reply

Well, those of you who didn't care that Obama was increasing the burden by large amounts, then you can't be mad at Trump for doing it, too. In fact, if you are at all surprised by this then that really says something about you.

#24 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2017-08-24 12:06 PM

Please provide a concrete example of even one person not in the top 20% of wage earners who is paying a higher tax rate than the day President Obama was elected.

#26 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-24 02:11 PM | Reply

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