Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, August 20, 2017

Controversial quarterback Colin Kaepernick deserves a chance to continue his NFL career, his supporters said Saturday. Those backers include the NAACP and current and former members of the New York City Police Department, including famed corruption fighter Frank Serpico. Kaepernick has been struggling to find a new team since opting out of his contract after last season. His backers say NFL team owners have blackballed Kaepernick because he staged a one-man protest last season on behalf of African-Americans and other minorities -- by kneeling instead of standing for the national anthem before each week's game.

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I am really of two minds on this topic. I've been arguing with myself since Mr Kaepernick first knelt during the Anthem.

On one hand I want to be in favor of free speech.

On the other hand, the NFL is a business. It is not a sport, it is a business. Can any business allow an employee to use that business for the spreading of that employee's political opinions?

So, where does a person's free speech end and business interests begin?

I've argued with myself and have not been able to come to a resolution....

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-20 09:43 PM | Reply

The Politicization of Everything continues. No one is safe from the SJW "long march through the institutions."

Fine. Don't care much about the National Felons League anyway.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-20 10:00 PM | Reply


... Can any business allow an employee to use that business for the spreading of that employee's political opinions? ...

OK, I'm talking to myself here (still :) ) but reading #1 another thought popped into my mind.

When that google employee espoused political opinions I thought it was not an appropriate venue.

So, by extension, should I also consider the NFL to be a not-appropriate venue here. I'm leaning strongly towards "yes" at this point.

Oooohhh... this one's gonna keep me up tonight.....

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-20 10:02 PM | Reply


@#2 ... The Politicization of Everything continues. ...

Sadly. Yes.

More than you may realize or admit.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-20 10:07 PM | Reply

"The Politicization of Everything continues."

Newsflash: everything was already political. Nice to know recent activism has caused you to start noticing.

#5 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-20 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 Only to communists like yourself. The rest of us where living nice, quiet peaceful lives until the fringe groups started to act up. Now, they want to take a statue of Christopher Columbus down in Detroit!

#6 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-20 10:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#6 ... the fringe groups started to act up ...

Like the dude at google? Is he in one of your fringe groups?

Really, I'm trying to figure out how to understand all the events of late.

So I'll ask you directly, what do you think of the dude at google? Is he a fringe group who started to act up?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-20 11:04 PM | Reply

#7 I didn't read his manifesto, so I couldn't tell you. Did you read it, or did you just get your impressions from the media?

But seriously, if you are going to write a political manifesto that criticizes your employers, you are fired. I think that's an unspoken rule. Remember what happened to that Uber guy that complained about the pay?

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-20 11:20 PM | Reply

Yes, yes yes!!!

#9 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-08-20 11:21 PM | Reply

Normal people just want to relax and see a goddamn game. Totalitarians want to turn every aspect of life and culture into a political battleground.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-21 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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Normal people just want to relax and see a goddamn game. Totalitarians want to turn every aspect of life and culture into a political battleground.

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-08-21 01:39 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

No, privileged people like you don't see the politics underlying things, because they don't need to.

#11 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-21 01:57 AM | Reply

"#5 Only to communists like yourself."

How lucky you are to just be able to ignore the politics of things....

#12 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-21 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Like the dude at google?

What about him?

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2017-08-21 02:23 AM | Reply

It's got to be miserable going through life imagining that everything represents some sort of political oppression as Dirk seems to.

Your statements have helped me understand why so many leftists are miserable, angry and intolerant and have a persecution complex.

#14 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-08-21 06:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Watching a football game or other pure entertainment is about living vicariously. In the case of football, auto racing and boxing, the brutality and destructive aspects makes it more exciting and pleasurable, especially with alcohol. Its definitely better than going to war.

There can also be an artful, educational and appreciation of someone else's skills aspect to entertainment. Music, dramatic and comedic theater including films can enrich the experience of being alive without hurting anyone.

Most people would rather watch than do, yet hate to be reminded of their immoral, brutal, slothful ways. That was Kaepernick's real transgression. This process is what Chomsky calls the "Manufacture of Consent". When in Rome....

#15 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-08-21 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--yet hate to be reminded of their immoral, brutal, slothful ways.

Didn't stop poor little victim Kaepernick from cashing in on that brutality to the tune of a 7-year, $126 million dollar contract. He stated he would stop his protest...right after he became unemployed. Yeah, a real profile in courage that one.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-21 07:30 AM | Reply

I don't care; it is all sportsball shootyhoops to me. I'll sometimes tune in to a local football game, and if the home team is losing, then I'll watch for a while; but only if there's snacks.

#17 | Posted by john47 at 2017-08-21 07:51 AM | Reply

.. so Kaepernick was cashing in on Police Brutality?...which is ironic considering how brutal football is...

football players are better people than politicians, who are the ultimate form of prostitution in the good ol' USA

#18 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-08-21 07:57 AM | Reply

The coverage of the act is more annoying than the few moments of a small number of folks standing, kneeling, sitting, or whatever is currently trendy.

#19 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-08-21 08:37 AM | Reply

If Kaepernick had JUST taken the knee during the anthem, I'd be supportive. But he's done some other, more provocative, more tasteless acts as well.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Was standing for the national anthem part of his job description? He kneeled, which is itself respectful. He didn't insult any person or group or make comments that embarrassed his employer. I have some mix feelings about it as well. Actors don't make political protests during the movies they're in, but they often make political comments when on talk shows promoting a movie, which is actually part of their job. I'm leaning toward the idea that what he did within reason, it was clearly not saying that his employers held the same views, and it didn't seem hurt the reputation of the league.

#21 | Posted by LEgregius at 2017-08-21 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#8 ... I didn't read his manifesto, so I couldn't tell you. Did you read it ...

Yes, I did read it. I even posted a link to the essay in the one of the threads here.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-21 10:15 AM | Reply

Please stand for the national anthem.

#23 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-08-21 10:19 AM | Reply

Normal people just want to relax and see a goddamn game. Totalitarians want to turn every aspect of life and culture into a political battleground.

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Well, as long as you are happy, nothing else really matters right?

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's so sad how blind the Liberals are that they don't realize this is exactly why Kaep can't land a team. If they would all shut up for a season and let it pass, he would be on a team no problem. The NFL doesn't want to hire political figures, they want to hire players. Kaep's blind supporters are just proving the point.

Put it this way, it stands to your logic that the opposite of Kaep would be able to get a team and enjoy the sport because Kaep is only being punished because he's black and has an opinion. Yet, Tebow got nixed from the NFL and I didn't see scores of black groups coming to his defense. He's the whitest dude out there with nothing but love and he can't get a job either.

#25 | Posted by humtake at 2017-08-21 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's so sad how blind the Liberals are that they don't realize this is exactly why Kaep can't land a team. If they would all shut up for a season and let it pass, he would be on a team no problem. The NFL doesn't want to hire political figures, they want to hire players. Kaep's blind supporters are just proving the point.

#25 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Amazing to me what snowflakes these Conservatives are. That's why Kaep can't land a team. Liberals don't care. But a bunch of whiny, crybaby, snowflake Conservatives can't handle the thought of a guy kneeing during the national anthem. OH the horror! Now if he were a Nazi or Klansmen, that would apparently be different...

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat

The dude at Google - I read most of that rant. It started "ok" but it went off the rails. I know where he was trying to come from but it was IMHO a train wreck of a piece from a supposedly smart individual who finds himself superior to many of his coworkers. Yes for that piece I can see him being let go.

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-08-21 11:59 AM | Reply

Bottom line Kaep's not making a team because he sucks and those who are calling for a boycott don't watch the game anyway so get over it already. Go Pats!

#28 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-21 12:01 PM | Reply

Normal people just want to relax and see a goddamn game. Totalitarians want to turn every aspect of life and culture into a political battleground.

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Poor use to Totalitarian there IMHO. Totalitarian would just make it so...

#29 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-08-21 12:01 PM | Reply

#25 | Posted by humtake

I think you are wrong. There is more to this than his political protests on field. A lot of owners welcome some of the distractions - it brings attention to their teams. From what I have read the issue goes deeper than those simple protests and discussions though. As in he himself is a distraction to / in conflict with his teammates and at the level of the elites in the NFL he isn't a great - that is why he isn't getting picked up. There have been examples of greats like Terrell Owens who despite the issues have been picked up by teams (and eventually dropped) because they were actually greats.

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-08-21 12:10 PM | Reply

Yes for that piece I can see him being let go. #27 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Yeah, and who TF writes a ten page internal memo? He knew he was going to die on that hill when he hit "send."

#31 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-08-21 12:13 PM | Reply

Bottom line Kaep's not making a team because he sucks and those who are calling for a boycott don't watch the game anyway so get over it already. Go Pats!

#28 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Crap... We actually agree on something.

I'll say this though, what if the LA Chargers took him? They are getting NO buzz in LA after they moved there. And LA is insanely liberal. That might be a good publicity stunt for LA to take him as a backup, give him a clipboard and post him on the sidelines.

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 12:22 PM | Reply

I'll say this though, what if the LA Chargers took him? They are getting NO buzz in LA after they moved there. And LA is insanely liberal. That might be a good publicity stunt for LA to take him as a backup, give him a clipboard and post him on the sidelines.

Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 12:22 PM | Reply

Chargers are Nevada bound.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-21 12:24 PM | Reply

Chargers are Nevada bound.

#33 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Oh?

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 02:19 PM | Reply

Chargers are Nevada bound.

#33 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Oh?

Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 02:19 PM | Reply

No that was RAMS I'm a ditzy.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-21 02:22 PM | Reply

Chargers are Nevada bound.
#33 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR
Oh?
Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 02:19 PM | Reply
No that was RAMS I'm a ditzy.
#35 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I was going to say...they JUST moved to LA.

And of course LA doesn't care in the slightest.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-21 02:39 PM | Reply

he would be on a team no problem.

#25 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

If you've got the D to try to win with 180 yards per game passing, Kaep's your guy. But then again, just about anybody is.

#37 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-08-21 03:48 PM | Reply

Wait, haven't they realized that if their NFL boycott is successful, he will never get a job

Oh, the irony.......

#38 | Posted by hoser at 2017-08-21 04:25 PM | Reply

Bottom line Kaep's not making a team because he sucks and those who are calling for a boycott don't watch the game anyway so get over it already. Go Pats!

#28 | Posted by fishpaw

Kaep's not on any teams because fox news told dumb america that he hates america and the military, and their dumbass viewers bought it and threw a tantrum like the precious patriotic snowflakes that they are.

The owners are afraid of pissing off the conservative snowflakes who can't be exposed to anyone questioning anything about america. Football attracts a lot of these morons because the same people who get off on violence are the ones who watch fox news.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-21 05:38 PM | Reply

Kaep's not on any teams because fox news...

Do you really venture out each day with that brain attached to your ears?

#40 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-21 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do you really venture out each day with that brain attached to your ears?

#40 | Posted by cookfish

Personal insults are for people who can't argue a point.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-21 05:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's got to be miserable going through life imagining that everything represents some sort of political oppression as Dirk seems to.

#14 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT AT 2017-08-21 06:20 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 3

It must be nice to be so privileged as to be able to go through life not noticing how political things are. What do you care if a mascot is racist? You don't face racism yourself and you happen to own all sorts of merchandise featuring said mascot. What do you care if a game starts with a pledge to a state that still falls well short of the racial and gender and religious equality to which it claims to aspire? None of those issues effect you and you just want to watch the game. Why do gays and transsexuals have to bother you with their public demands for special treatment (read: the kind you receive every day) when you just want to go about their business pretending they don't exist? How inconsiderate of them!

#42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-21 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well, as long as you are happy, nothing else really matters right?

#24 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-08-21 11:44 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

The regressive mindset in a nutshell.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-21 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Personal insults are for people who can't argue a point.

#41 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Noted.

#44 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-08-21 07:54 PM | Reply


Personal insults are for people who can't argue a point.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I'll remember that the next time you insult me..

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2017-08-21 09:12 PM | Reply

There's some other fellow who was always bending a knee who is no longer working. Tebow.

You got all offseason to support your cause.

#46 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-08-21 09:34 PM | Reply

Get em doggg!!!

#47 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-08-21 10:29 PM | Reply

The NFL did not have players on the field for the national anthem until the war machine started paying the NFL our tax dollars for jingoistic forced displays of national pride.

Bomber flyovers, giant flags, etc are all done to gin up support for our never ending MIC needs to blow up people around the world in the name of dumbocracy.

#48 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-22 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

religious equality to which it claims to aspire?

To the right, the only religion that matters is Christianity.

#49 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-22 11:03 AM | Reply

Kaep's not on any teams because fox news told dumb america that he hates america and the military, and their dumbass viewers bought it and threw a tantrum like the precious patriotic snowflakes that they are.
The owners are afraid of pissing off the conservative snowflakes who can't be exposed to anyone questioning anything about america. Football attracts a lot of these morons because the same people who get off on violence are the ones who watch fox news.

#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-08-21 05:38 PM | FLAG:

I think throwing picks and not getting first downs during clutch time had more to do with it than Fox news but you keep on believing what you want to believe.

#50 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 11:06 AM | Reply

It can't be for any other reason than what a Democrat says. How DARE you try to bring logic to argument, fish.

#51 | Posted by humtake at 2017-08-22 11:47 AM | Reply

I think throwing picks and not getting first downs during clutch time had more to do with it than Fox news but you keep on believing what you want to believe.

#50 | Posted by fishpaw

There are about 30 starting and backup QBs worse than him who are currently on teams.

I saw it with my own eyes- my GF's stupid trump supporter parents boycotting the NFL last year because fox told them kaep hated america.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 01:26 PM | Reply

There are about 30 starting and backup QBs worse than him who are currently on teams.#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-08-22 01:26 PM | FLAG:

Look it up it will show that once again you are an idiot. He was in the bottom five in 2016 and getting worse as the season went along. The only way a team can win with him is if they have a stellar defense that prevents the other team from scoring and a great offense line so he doesn't have to scramble. He has a lousy work ethic according to his team mates and coaches. It is obvious that you already boycott the NFL because you don't have a clue about the game.

#53 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 02:11 PM | Reply

Look it up it will show that once again you are an idiot. He was in the bottom five in 2016 and getting worse as the season went along. The only way a team can win with him is if they have a stellar defense that prevents the other team from scoring and a great offense line so he doesn't have to scramble. He has a lousy work ethic according to his team mates and coaches. It is obvious that you already boycott the NFL because you don't have a clue about the game.

#53 | Posted by fishpaw

I probably watch a lot more NFL than you do.

Under a good coach, Kaep stole the starting job from a guy who's STILL starting for Kansas City, and then took his team to the superbowl.

After harbaugh left, the whole team exploded, which had nothing to do with kaep, but definitely affected his stats.

But if you think Kellen Moore or Ryan Griffin deserves a backup spot more than Kaep does, you're insane.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 02:17 PM | Reply

But if you think Kellen Moore or Ryan Griffin deserves a backup spot more than Kaep does, you're insane.

#54 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's likely true.

#55 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-22 02:18 PM | Reply

Kaep is unemployed because football's audience is more conservative than most sports, and a lot of fox watching football fans think black men should shut up and know their place - beneath the white man, and accept their beatings by the cops which they probably deserve.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Kellen Moore

Who is currently losing his second team snaps to Central Mich rookie Cooper Rush... it was noted that Rush could have 26 consecutive incompletions in the next two games, and still have a better QB rating than Moore, lol.

Problem is other teams have noticed and Rush making it to the practice squad without being picked up is unlikely, so the 'Boys will have to decide whether to keep him or Moore as they don't like to keep 3 QBs.

Rush can force the issue in the next couple of games.

And Kap is far better than either of them.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-22 02:48 PM | Reply

Kaep is unemployed because football's audience is more conservative than most sports, and a lot of fox watching football fans think black men should shut up and know their place - beneath the white man, and accept their beatings by the cops which they probably deserve.

#56 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-08-22 02:28 PM | FLAG:

He does not have a passion for the game period. Making this a racist issue is just par for the course with you and you do it because as usual you are clueless.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 02:56 PM | Reply

He does not have a passion for the game period. Making this a racist issue is just par for the course with you and you do it because as usual you are clueless.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw

And jay cutler does?

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 03:03 PM | Reply

He does not have a passion for the game period. Making this a racist issue is just par for the course with you and you do it because as usual you are clueless.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw

You must have spent a lot of time with kaep in order to diagnose his "passion for the game". Unless you're just borrowing excuses from your other racist football buddies.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 03:14 PM | Reply

Kaep is a below-average QB.

Having said that, he is better than the starters on at least a couple of teams.

He's just not good enough to warrant all of the baggage he brings. There was a reason why Terrell Owens was constantly being traded. In his case, the talent was there for teams to deal with his drama.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now more and more players are refusing to stand and salute the flag of a nation with a racist government and law enforcement system. Glad to see white players joining in.

The NFL brought this on themselves by playing the patriotism game in the first place.
All the military worship, jet fighter flyovers, flag folding ceremonies, it's all marketing and they were PAID by the military to do it, in order to help recruit the next generation of mercenaries to fight in their oil wars.

You don't have to stand and salute before plays or movies, or before you start your work day whereever you work.

The association between sports and patriotism is completely artificial and manufactured, it's just hard to see how absurd something is when you've grown up with it your whole life. Conservatives see something they've always known starting to change and they hate it, without having the brains to look at why it's changing or why it existed in the first place.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 03:27 PM | Reply

Now more and more players are refusing to stand and salute the flag of a nation with a racist government and law enforcement system

Good for them. And as they inject their personal politics into the event itself they are going to turn off more and more fans.

If they turn off enough fans they are going to lose money on a personal basis. Just ask NHL players from the late '90's.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ou must have spent a lot of time with kaep in order to diagnose his "passion for the game". Unless you're just borrowing excuses from your other racist football buddies.

#60 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-08-22 03:14 PM | FLAG:

Came from his team mates and coaches, which I guess in your closed feeble minds makes them racists as well.

#64 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 03:37 PM | Reply

Good for them. And as they inject their personal politics into the event itself they are going to turn off more and more fans.

If they turn off enough fans they are going to lose money on a personal basis. Just ask NHL players from the late '90's.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ

Good. And the NFL will deserve it for wrapping themselves in the flag in the first place.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 03:40 PM | Reply

Came from his team mates and coaches, which I guess in your closed feeble minds makes them racists as well.

#64 | Posted by fishpaw

Same thing was said about jay cutler. Hmm what's different about cutler and kaep? I just can't put my finger on it...

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 03:40 PM | Reply

Good. And the NFL will deserve it for wrapping themselves in the flag in the first place.

#65 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

More likely is that the NFL will institute a rule prohibiting this behavior.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 03:44 PM | Reply

Same thing was said about jay cutler. Hmm what's different about cutler and kaep? I just can't put my finger on it...

#66 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I can put my finger on it. His level of talent isn't where it needs to be to justify all of the negative attention he brings to his team.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 03:45 PM | Reply

The really good QBs, the Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers types play for the money but more importantly play because they love the game and it shows. I love watching those players, no drama, that's why I love NHL, no drama queens on the ice and they play with passion. You can be a drama queen off the field or off the ice but when you are on it do as Bill Belichick says "do your job'" That's why you get paid very well, and fans aren't watching to see your political statements they are watching to see your talent. If I want to listen to a sappy drama queen I'll go to the retort and hunt down Speakdumbly.

#69 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 03:47 PM | Reply

Same thing was said about jay cutler. Hmm what's different about cutler and kaep? I just can't put my finger on it...

#66 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-08-22 03:40 PM | FLAG:

Miami picked him up to ride the bench but his accuracy and release are worth giving him a shot on the bench. Unfortunately for Miami he will most likely start but I would still pick him up as a stating QB over Kaep. His stats prove he is better. But I'm sure that is a racist thought as well.

#70 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-22 03:56 PM | Reply

More likely is that the NFL will institute a rule prohibiting this behavior.

#67 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 03:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Let freedom ring, eh Jeffy?

#71 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:02 PM | Reply

Employers have rules of conduct, Dirk.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 05:34 PM | Reply

Employers have rules of conduct, Dirk.

#72 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 05:34 PM | FLAG:

So they do. But there are limits on them. And I wonder at the implications of forcing your employees even to be present for a religiously inflected nationalist loyalty oath or bellicose hymn. You don't care, of course.

#73 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:37 PM | Reply

Dirk,

That was a combination of really bad equivalence with a straw man thrown in.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 05:45 PM | Reply

Dirk,
That was a combination of really bad equivalence with a straw man thrown in.

#74 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 05:45 PM | FLAG:

Equivalence to what? That is literally what the NFL does!

And where is the strawman? My saying you don't care? You obviously don't or you would have spoken up...

#75 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:49 PM | Reply

Freedom is apparently just for Nazis and not NFL employees, eh Jeff?

#76 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The NFL doesn't require players to participate in religious ceremonies. At least not that I'm aware of.

The straw man was you saying I don't care - if the NFL required players to participate in a religious ceremony.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 05:53 PM | Reply

Freedom is for everybody. If an NFL player wants to participate in a protest on his free time, I'm all for it.

Again, really bad equivalence.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 05:55 PM | Reply

"The NFL doesn't require players to participate in religious ceremonies. At least not that I'm aware of."

I believe the phrase I used was "a religiously inflected loyalty oath," which is exactly what the American Pledge of Allegiance is. So where is your vaunted concern for the First Amendment now, pray?

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Freedom is for everybody. If an NFL player wants to participate in a protest on his free time, I'm all for it."

So people don't have rights while at work? They get to protest when and how you say they can? That's mighty white of you, slick. Mighty white, indeed.

#80 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 05:56 PM | Reply

If a cashier at a grocery store makes inappropriate comments to customers or fellow employees said cashier could be fired.

You're being ridiculous. Please quit playing "gotcha". It's tiresome.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:00 PM | Reply

I see what you mean: the issue was the hymn, not the pledge. Still problematic, surely, and for similar reasons.

#82 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:01 PM | Reply

#79

The national anthem isn't the pledge of allegiance.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:02 PM | Reply

"If a cashier at a grocery store makes inappropriate comments to customers or fellow employees said cashier could be fired.
You're being ridiculous. Please quit playing "gotcha". It's tiresome."

So engaging in a protest of something he shouldn't have to be present for or support in any way is the equivalent of that sort of misbehavior, in your view? Really?

#84 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:03 PM | Reply

If they were forced to sing along or hold their hands over their hearts during it I would agree with you on this.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:04 PM | Reply

The national anthem isn't the pledge of allegiance.

#83 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 06:02 PM | FLAG:

Same problem. Replace forced presence for something political with forced presence for something religious.

#86 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:04 PM | Reply

#84

Nobody stopped him from kneeling.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:05 PM | Reply

If they were forced to sing along or hold their hands over their hearts during it I would agree with you on this.

#85 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 06:04 PM | FLAG:

Nice, arbitrary line you've drawn there. How about we have your employer require your attendance at a hymn to social justice before every workday... you get to stand and be silent while cameras film your respectful presence. You'd be fine with this, of course. Not inappropriate of your employer at all, as far as you're concerned, right?

#88 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:06 PM | Reply

Nobody stopped him from kneeling.

#87 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 06:05 PM | FLAG:

As is proper. They still shouldn't require his presence. Hell, they probably shouldn't do the hymn at all...

#89 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:07 PM | Reply

He wasn't fired or disciplined for what he did. SF released him and no other team has picked him up. He hasn't been wronged.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:07 PM | Reply

#88

If I was being paid $8 million per year, I'd stand during a hymn for social justice.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:09 PM | Reply

He wasn't fired or disciplined for what he did. SF released him and no other team has picked him up. He hasn't been wronged.

#90 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 06:07 PM | FLAG:

But you are fine with the NFL changing the rules so that he could have been, right? That IS what I was responding to: your comment that they will just make a rule banning his sort of behavior.

#92 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:09 PM | Reply

If I was being paid $8 million per year, I'd stand during a hymn for social justice.

#91 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 06:09 PM | FLAG:

So his pay obviates his rights to a safe and respectful work environment huh? I suppose female executives shouldn't complain about, say, harassment either?

#93 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If I was being paid $8 million per year, I'd stand during a hymn for social justice."

Good to know.
What's ten bucks get me?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-22 06:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#92

If his actions are causing a loss of revenue, I absolutely agree with a rule change.

Equating a hypothetical requirement to stand during a song with enduring harassment is bad equivalence.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 06:18 PM | Reply

"If his actions are causing a loss of revenue, I absolutely agree with a rule change."

So his right to a safe and respectful work environment depends on how guaranteeing such impacts the profits of his employer? Really?

"Equating a hypothetical requirement to stand during a song with enduring harassment is bad equivalence."

Why, exactly?

#96 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:20 PM | Reply

Kaperneck is a spoiled brat with about as much talent as your average college wannabe quarterback. the consensus from what Ive seen and read is that he got lucky with a good year right out of the box before he showed what he really was. And that alone would be enough to at least take a chance on him as a back up were it not for the facts that 1) he turned down the offer of a back up position because it was beneath him and 2) as an employee, he's not going to increase your fan base, but will definitely increase your liability.

#97 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-08-22 06:30 PM | Reply

"as an employee, he's not going to increase your fan base, but will definitely increase your liability."

That sounds a lot like discrimination.

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 06:40 PM | Reply

"as an employee, he's not going to increase your fan base, but will definitely increase your liability."
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That sounds a lot like discrimination.

#98 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

It's not discrimination, it's business.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 07:17 PM | Reply

It's not discrimination, it's business.
#99 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-08-22 07:17 PM | FLAG:

Ah, business. Like not hiring women is business (who wants to pay for maternity leave?). Like not hiring minorities is business (don't want to risk a discrimination suit!). Got it.

#100 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 07:21 PM | Reply

he hasn't performed as well as his competitors. his ship has sailed. he is going to be 30 in a couple of months and was benched because of performance. his peak was 2012-2014.

#101 | Posted by Maverick at 2017-08-22 08:17 PM | Reply

2) as an employee, he's not going to increase your fan base, but will definitely increase your liability.

#97 | Posted by bogey1355

That's the fault of the NFL fans who are foxwatching morons, not his fault for taking a principled stand.

Conservatives HATE the questioning of authority, especially by a black man, so conservative media went all in on crucifying a black guy who dared step out of line. They view the NFL the way Leo Decaprio's character views the fighting slaves in Django Unchained. A bunch of poor black chumps killing each other for the amusement of their white OWNERS. They can't tolerate one of their slaves demonstrating any principles or ethics or intelligence.

Kaep was attacked relentlessly for months over daring to say our justice system is screwed up for black people, which it undeniably is. They twisted it to say he hates the troops, he hates america, etc. Those same fox news talking points are STILL parroted by foxwatching bigots today, who sit on their couches farting and swilling beer during the national anthem.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak, he was protesting on a bunch of lies. His stance is based on the police going around shooting innocent black people and that is not what happened and the overall stats do not back him up at all. He took a stance and his actions have cost him, wearing socks with officers as pigs, going to Miami with a pro Fidel shirt and so on. He walked away from a contract and his stupidity cost him. He has also overpriced himself for what his skill level in the NFL is for a 2 or 3 QB. No one is obligated to signing him and he does't have a constitutional right to be on a team. If no one wants him, that is their choice.

#103 | Posted by phinphan at 2017-08-22 09:01 PM | Reply

"His stance is based on the police going around shooting innocent black people"

what country do you live in?

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2017-08-22 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He said "police are getting away with murder". That is the country I live in. What do you think his problem is?

#105 | Posted by phinphan at 2017-08-22 09:13 PM | Reply

He said "police are getting away with murder". That is the country I live in. What do you think his problem is?

#105 | Posted by phinphan

That is EXACTLY what is happening.

And it's been happening for hundreds of years. Only now with cameras everywhere are people starting to see that black people have been telling the truth about how cops treat them.

A cop being "scared" is legal justification for executing an unarmed suspect, unloading entire clips into them, and getting away scott free.

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 09:18 PM | Reply

Really? Name the black people that the police officers murdered. Evidence in all those cases prove him wrong and you wrong. The media jumps on things right away and blows things out of proportion and then move on when the facts come out.

Being scared, I hope you are not talking about Michael hands up don't shoot lie Brown. List the people that were murdered.

#107 | Posted by phinphan at 2017-08-22 09:23 PM | Reply

When first ladies speak out they are NOT off-limits to criticism IMO. By the same token, criticisms of them should be limited to what they personally say and do. Guilt by association is a bit unfair IMO.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 09:42 PM | Reply

Really? Name the black people that the police officers murdered. Evidence in all those cases prove him wrong and you wrong. The media jumps on things right away and blows things out of proportion and then move on when the facts come out.

Being scared, I hope you are not talking about Michael hands up don't shoot lie Brown. List the people that were murdered.

#107 | Posted by phinphan

Holy crap we've found someone dumb enough to think the cops aren't killing black people.

killedbypolice.net

mappingpoliceviolence.org

en.wikipedia.org

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 09:43 PM | Reply

When first ladies speak out they are NOT off-limits to criticism IMO. By the same token, criticisms of them should be limited to what they personally say and do. Guilt by association is a bit unfair IMO.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ

wrong thread.

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 09:44 PM | Reply

wrong thread.

#110 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Oops.

Sorry.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-22 09:45 PM | Reply

Speak, you lie like the media. I said murder. That is the word, not kill. Big difference. A police officer killed Michael Brown, not murdered. Hopefully, you know the difference. Kaep said they are murdering them.

#112 | Posted by phinphan at 2017-08-22 09:47 PM | Reply

Speak, you lie like the media. I said murder. That is the word, not kill. Big difference. A police officer killed Michael Brown, not murdered. Hopefully, you know the difference. Kaep said they are murdering them.

#112 | Posted by phinphan a

Yeah and for cops the difference between "kill" and "murder" is "he looked like he had a gun! I was weally scawed!"

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-22 09:49 PM | Reply

#112

Whenever a post begins with a phrase like "you lie like the media!", you know whatever comes next is going to be a veritable cornucopia of crackpottery.

#114 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-22 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whenever a post begins with a phrase like "you lie like the media!", you know whatever comes next is going to be a veritable cornucopia of crackpottery.

#114 | Posted by DirkStruan

That's because a con man has tricked them into thinking the media is their enemy so that they won't believe it when they hear reports of what he's doing. Same as every authoritarian tyrant in modern history.

This is really the fault of our public schools for producing a population so ignorant and gullible that trump could even be elected in the first place.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-23 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--This is really the fault of our public schools for producing a population so ignorant and gullible

Public schools run by teachers unions? Good point.

#116 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-23 01:43 PM | Reply

Public schools run by teachers unions? Good point.

#116 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-08-23 01:43 PM | FLAG:

Teachers unions run schools? Not administrators? Not school boards?

#117 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-08-23 01:56 PM | Reply

Public schools run by teachers unions? Good point.

#116 | Posted by nullifidian

Public schools which have to try and attract good teachers with 40k a year salaries.

Smart people don't sign up for a career where they'll live in poverty. You get what you pay for.

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-23 02:05 PM | Reply

"police officer killed Michael Brown, not murdered."

Kindly notice the name of the URL,
killedbypolice.net

You must be one of those smart guys who says OJ didn't "murder" Nicole.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-23 04:14 PM | Reply

"This is really the fault of our public schools for producing a population so ignorant and gullible that trump could even be elected in the first place.
#115 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

American public education became a race to the bottom with No Child Left Behind. You take the HS exit exam as a sophomore, which alone shows how low the standard has become.

#120 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-23 04:37 PM | Reply

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