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Wednesday, August 09, 2017

Mark Bowden, The Atlantic: In the more than four decades since Richard Nixon held office, the U.S. has tried to control North Korea by issuing threats, conducting military exercises, ratcheting up diplomatic sanctions, leaning on China, and most recently, it seems likely, committing cybersabotage. For his part, [President] Trump has also tweeted that North Korea is "looking for trouble" and that he intends to "solve the problem." His administration has leaked plans for a "decapitation strike" that would target Kim, which seems like the very last thing a country ought to announce in advance. None of which, we should all pray, will amount to much. Ignorant of the long history of the problem, Trump at least brings fresh eyes to it. But he is going to collide with the same harsh truth that has stymied all his recent predecessors: There are no good options for dealing with North Korea.

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For years North Korea has had extensive batteries of conventional artillery -- an estimated 8,000 big guns -- just north of the demilitarized zone (DMZ), which is less than 40 miles from Seoul, South Korea's capital, a metropolitan area of more than 25 million people. One high-ranking U.S. military officer who commanded forces in the Korean theater, now retired, told me he'd heard estimates that if a grid were laid across Seoul dividing it into three-square-foot blocks, these guns could, within hours, "pepper every single one." This ability to rain ruin on the city is a potent existential threat to South Korea's largest population center, its government, and its economic anchor. Adding nuclear ICBMs to this arsenal would put many more cities in the same position as Seoul. Nuclear-tipped ICBMs, according to Lewis, are the final piece of a defensive strategy "to keep Trump from doing anything regrettable after Kim Jong Un obliterates Seoul and Tokyo."

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What?! You must be mad.

We can bomb his nuclear infrastructure, and there's nothing he can do about it. Take out his ability to build nukes. He's a canny survivor, right? He won't dare attack South Korea in retaliation, because he would lose a real war with Korea, and die. Do you think he wants to end up where Zed is going? I think not. It'll just be like what Reagan did to Qaddafi, which shut him up for years and then made him change his ways until Obama and the War Goddess Bank Puppet took him out.

The last thing I want to see on Earth is Kim with nuclear missiles. Acceptance, my ---.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-09 06:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Send Dennis Rodman over there to talk to him. "The left"

#2 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-08-09 07:03 AM | Reply

#2 Poisoned basketball that makes him lose weight until dies like in "Thinner". I'm sure the CIA could cook something up. It could work....

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-09 07:10 AM | Reply

Maybe a Dennis Rodman blow up doll!

#4 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-08-09 08:03 AM | Reply

"Some analysts speculated that Mr. Rodman may even be carrying a message from President Trump, who had previously praised his efforts to engage North Korea."

Federalist

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-09 10:04 AM | Reply

If the PDRK did not have nuclear weapons, they would matter about as much as Cuba.

#6 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-09 03:23 PM | Reply

Why respond? Like an elephant responding to a flea.

Our comfort is our capabilities.

Relax.

#7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-08-09 09:10 PM | Reply

Let Kim prove that he can control the missile upon reentry and delivery a pay load. He won't risk assured destruction without confidence that he can hit a target. Until then, Trump looks like a thin skinned school boy knee jerking to Kim's "threats."

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-09 09:14 PM | Reply

Let Kim prove that he can control the missile upon reentry and delivery a pay load.

Why the heck would they do that? They have shown no capability to do anything remotely like it so far.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-08-09 09:22 PM | Reply

#9 Unless you believe what the CIA tells us in the WaPo. In that case, it's less than 18 months away. Maybe six months away. But then, the MIC loves them some war....

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-09 09:28 PM | Reply

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#9

Exactly. Which is why this hyperbole about Kim nuking the West coast or Hawaii is totally bunk at this point. And this is coming from a guy posting from one of the main targets, Fighter Town USA.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-09 09:33 PM | Reply

e can bomb his nuclear infrastructure, and there's nothing he can do about it.
#1 | Posted by HeliumRat

Spoken like a fool without any loved ones in south korea.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 09:56 PM | Reply

I have a hard time seeing why a nation ruled by a spoiled egomaniac brat with nuclear weapons has any right to tell another nation ruled by a spoiled egomaniac brat that they're not allowed to have nuclear weapons too.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 09:58 PM | Reply

#13

I was having trouble deciphering who was who in your post.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-09 10:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Kim Jung Un will listen to one leader and one leader only. The President of China. I have a hard time even bothering to read the posts of those who don't consider Kim Jung Un China's problem, they enabled the family dictatorship, they created N. Korea, they prevented the U.S. and S. Korea from achieving victory, they own Kim Jung Un and are responsible for anything he does. WE need to make that crystal clear to them. Economic sanctions against China should be enacted if they won't act to rein in this lunatic.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-09 10:13 PM | Reply

#15

Congratulations Danni, you have won today's Moment of Clarity Award (tm) for this post!

Great job, and keep up the good work!

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-09 10:16 PM | Reply

Thank you ROC. I never expected to be appreciated by you.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-09 10:21 PM | Reply

He's given you the coveted "Moment of Clarity" award before, Danni. Granted, it was a few years ago, but this isn't the first time.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-08-09 10:22 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by danni Learn a little, the president of the PRC has no power. The Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party does. The People's Republic of China does not even have an Army or police force. The Communist Party does.

#19 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-10 01:08 AM | Reply

"#15 | Posted by danni Learn a little, the president of the PRC has no power. The Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party does. The People's Republic of China does not even have an Army or police force. The Communist Party does."

I understand all of that but still pressure could be brought economically to cause China to reconsider their willingness to rein in their spoiled child who would not be in power today had not the Chinese entered into the Korean War and supported the dictatorship in N. Korea for the last 60 years. They own this mess, they need to deal with it.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-10 08:55 AM | Reply

"The best way to deal with this crisis is to strike at its heart and invade Venezuela!" - George W Bush.

#21 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-08-10 09:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Lets invade Grenada again!

#22 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-10 10:47 AM | Reply

What?! You must be mad.
We can bomb his nuclear infrastructure, and there's nothing he can do about it. Take out his ability to build nukes. He's a canny survivor, right? He won't dare attack South Korea in retaliation, because he would lose a real war with Korea, and die. Do you think he wants to end up where Zed is going? I think not. It'll just be like what Reagan did to Qaddafi, which shut him up for years and then made him change his ways until Obama and the War Goddess Bank Puppet took him out.
The last thing I want to see on Earth is Kim with nuclear missiles. Acceptance, my ---.

#1 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Honestly, how dumb are you? We can't know precisely where his nukes and missiles are. He can launch before we get there. And you have to HOPE he doesn't launch. He surely would IF he thought this were a precursor to invasion.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-10 11:12 AM | Reply

his daddy on his death bed told him to do this ----. China is secretly laughing... oh America problem... so big!

---- the whole lot of them.

#24 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2017-08-10 11:52 AM | Reply

If the PDRK did not have nuclear weapons, they would matter about as much as Cuba.

#6 | Posted by docnjo

And how did they get them? Ask bj willie.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-08-10 02:05 PM | Reply

#25 | Posted by Sniper They recovered a missile from the sea the PDRK tested a year or so ago. Turns out many of the parts were made in the PRC.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-10 03:03 PM | Reply

I say, like John Wayne, we let them throw the first punch --- after they nuke Calif we should then respond in kind~

#27 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-08-10 11:16 PM | Reply

...after they nuke Calif we should then respond in kind"

Absolutely. But that's not the discussion, is it?

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-08-10 11:25 PM | Reply

We can't know precisely where his nukes and missiles are.

US Intel Communities very likely know much more about such topics than what is accessible to the public. I'd wager that there are quite a lot of precise observations informing those who need to know such things.

#29 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-08-11 12:25 AM | Reply

In 1999 I was stationed in Korea at a Korean air base called K16 south of Seoul. Across the road from us was an underground complex called Tango Site. Basicly it was the intelligence center the Korean armed forces. There was a bunch of American civilians that hooked up with several satellites for ground reconnaissance. I delivered auxiliary generators to them and pulled some when they were due for service. The complex is huge, sort of like NORAD. But 20 years ago they had a high def television about 10 foot tall and 20 foot across where they would examine what the satellite feed was showing. Day, night, good weather or bad they could see the entire DMZ plus more than 100 KM into the PDRK. Little Kim could not fart with out us knowing about it. If Un launched a weapon, we will know about it. If they do, China has stated they would remain neutral in any conflict that arises from the PDRK's first strike. If the US or Korea strike first, they said they would honer their alliance with the PDRK. I believe that Little Kim just got his leach pulled. The truth is South Korea does not want the north, think of the expense West Germany had rebuilding the DDR. The PDRK is in much worse shape and the same size as South Korea. The DDR was half the size of West Germany.

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-11 03:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

N. Korea will certainly be the best test of our abilities to shoot down nuclear missiles. I think Kim Jung Un is not bluffing, I think he will fire his missiles, though I'm not sure he will aim at Guam. I think that we are fools if we accept his stated target and probably should expect his targets to be several other places. And, I hate to say it but big population centers in S. Korea and Japan are likely, we need to be prepared for that. Hopefully, we can shoot down those missiles but if they are targeted on population centers like that we also need to be ready to totally destroy his regime once and for all. Kim Jung Un is betting the house on this, I don't know what the outcome will be except that Kim Jung Un is going to lose.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-11 04:03 AM | Reply

Are we planning on taking care of the 25 million North Koreans, or are we just going to let the terrorists have it like we regularly do?

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-11 08:59 AM | Reply

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner Let's not take care of them. There are 35 million South Koreans that speak the same language and look like them. Hell they are even related to them. The people of North Korea are not our problem.

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-11 11:39 AM | Reply

So just like Iraq we will break it and then leave. And you believe that they will embrace western democracy?

Either we occupy NK FOREVER or we lose the right to act surprised when someone equally bad or worse than lil' kim takes control.

#34 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-11 04:24 PM | Reply

#33. Wonderful. Thank you for your answer.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-11 06:04 PM | Reply

#33. Someone should tell the South Korean what our plan is.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-11 06:05 PM | Reply

So in y'all's response I guess y'all believe that the USA is the only nation that can do that? Road Apples and Cow pies. As I remember when the wall came down in Germany the DDR was not a problem to occupy and take control by by the BRD. It happened so fast that in early '93 I accidentally drove into what had been East Germany and got directions to Fulda Kasern from an Soviet officer at their barracks gate. His English was better than mine, and he definitely knew the area.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-12 06:37 PM | Reply

#27 yep John Wayne played a Green Beret in a movie.

I'd prefer to take my advice from DODNJO in #30

#38 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-08-12 07:13 PM | Reply

DOCNJO.

#39 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-08-12 07:14 PM | Reply

#38 | Posted by bruceaz, I was in the 595th Maintenance Company at K16, Responsible for all non divisional units in the USAROK. I picked up every generator not belonging to the 2nd ID, including those in Tango Site. I was stationed in Germany from April 89 to January 94 in the 512th Maintenance, 51st Maintenance Bn, Meinhiem BRD, (Kafertow). Want to see my DD214? The only reason I went to Fulda was because my wife and her buddy had broken down there. They went to the Cristal factory located in that vil along with some US Cav unit. The East German border was less than 5 km from the turn off to that little burg. There wasn't much of a sign for that exit.

#40 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-12 07:32 PM | Reply

The Soviet officers English was better than mine.

I'll say I didn't understand a thing you just said.

Just kidding, the adventures are what you remember the best ;-)

#41 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-08-12 07:44 PM | Reply

Truth is after the gulf war and the wall coming down, the draw down in Germany was going on big time. It was not unusual to go to kaserns that were empty except for a few guys to pull security until the gear got loaded up and the Germans took control of the property. The Soviets had a bigger job, they has 1.2 million troops in the DDR the day the wall came down. They left a mess.

#42 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-08-12 08:01 PM | Reply

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