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Monday, August 07, 2017

President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration is already having a positive impact on American workers through increased wages in the construction industry.

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In a new report by Fox News, Texas construction companies admitted that Trump's increased enforcement of immigration was forcing them to pay higher wages to U.S. construction workers.

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this is so f'd.

so the total costs have gone up, subcontractors fees up... everything costs MORE because they chased the workers away?

plus, you mean these developers weren't paying good wages to begin with? and so now they are?

no no wait... and of course the developers pass it all along anyway.

real estate is so ---- corrupt.

THEY SHOULD BEEN PAYING THOSE WAGES ANYWAY.

which do they hate more, having to pay, or mexicans? looks like mexicans.

yeah sure, all of sudden they're all patriotic. HA!

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-07 08:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I don't care what the arguments are, if wages go up more people can afford a home in the first place.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-07 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Texas construction companies admitted to breaking the law? And their punishment is to increase wages for their workers?!

Some crackdown.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-07 08:43 PM | Reply

#1 | Posted by ichiro
Maybe half of those college students who went to college and now have huge debts should of went into construction. No instead they borrowed money to pay fat wages to college professors. And now they think they can skip on their debt. There is a huge shortage of plumbers, electricians and skilled laborers. Ones that speak and write English. A good plumber makes as much as an engineer. And they will have work as long as grocery stores are open.

#4 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-08-07 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Warning Produce prices are about to go through the roof.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-07 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr
Robots will take care of that.

#6 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-08-07 09:33 PM | Reply

Damn, who would have ever thought that would happen?

#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-08-07 09:35 PM | Reply

#5 Wages are 18% of the price a farmer charges the packager. The real cost is in distribution and point of sale. A head of California lettuce will go up by about a nickle.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-07 09:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5 Wages are 18% of the price a farmer charges the packager. The real cost is in distribution and point of sale. A head of California lettuce will go up by about a nickle.

Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-07 09:38 PM | Reply

www.washingtonpost.com

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-07 09:50 PM | Reply

#9 Sorry, I refuse to read the Washington Post.

Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-07 10:09 PM | Reply

That's your problem not mine.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-07 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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In order to address the message and not attack the messenger, one must know the contents of said message.

Without the message, the messanger is irrelevant. So what's the message?

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-08-07 10:33 PM | Reply

The message is, without a slave class wages increase.

Seems simple.

Why do Democrats love slaves?

#15 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-08-07 10:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Like a higher minimum wage this is a good thing, is it not?

#20 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-08-08 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Undocumented workers account for 67 percent of people harvesting fruit, according to the Agriculture Department. They make up 61 percent of all employees on vegetable farms, and as many as half of all workers picking crops." www.washingtonpost.com

Heliumrat refuses to believe the USDA, because they were quoted by the Washingon Post.|

This is your brain on Trump.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 01:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some of the farmworkers who make it possible for U.S. consumers to have berries for breakfast are paid about $6 a day. Those farmworkers include children toiling for 12 hours a day at 85 percent the amount of money that adults get paid. Many farmworkers do not get lunch and rest breaks and are subjected to terrible housing conditions.

thinkprogress.org

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 01:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The day laborer industry will benefit. No doubt.

Funny thing is that America is made up of more than day laborers.

We can force companies to hire legal workers without closing off the country.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-08 01:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then support closing the border. We can hire American workers for decent wages like they do in Canada, Australia, and Europe. It has very little impact on the price of fruit and vegetables.

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 01:55 AM | Reply

I did day labor when I was teen, before I joined the Army. I would happily have done those jobs for a decent wage. And I did construction work, too.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 01:58 AM | Reply

"Then support closing the border."

I don't support closing the border because about a million people and a billion dollars in trade crosses the border daily.
Why do you think we can get by just fine when both those numbers go to zero?
Also, what sort of freedom do you think you have when you can't even leave your own country?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 01:59 AM | Reply

Then support closing the border. We can hire American workers for decent wages like they do in Canada, Australia, and Europe. It has very little impact on the price of fruit and vegetables.

Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 01:55 AM | Reply

Your ignorance of the subject matter is quite telling

www.theatlantic.com

Georgia's Harsh Immigration Law Costs Millions in Unharvested Crops

After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia...

Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars' worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they've done to Georgia's largest industry....

The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-08 01:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 Snoofy, I'm talking about ending illegal immigration. Ending $6 a day child labor. We should not be using Mexico as as a source of child slaves.

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 02:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#31 They can hire day laborers for a decent wage. It has very little impact on the price of food. I don't owe 230 child slave owners in Georgia a damn thing.

#33 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 02:10 AM | Reply

thehill.com

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, "about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico." The USDA has also warned that, "any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry." From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: "The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage."

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-08-08 02:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 I... don't... care. Americans should be doing those jobs for decent wages, not Mexican child slaves for $6 a day! It works in every other western country. And if the government need to increase farm subsidies to keep prices low, we can reduce tax breaks to the rich to pay for it.

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 02:18 AM | Reply

#4
obviously those jobs don't pay.

#36 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-08 02:42 AM | Reply

"#30 Snoofy, I'm talking about ending illegal immigration."

You're talking about closing the border.

Those are two entirely different things.

Until you can acknowledge that closing the border means things like no more tourists coming to America, no more exports leaving America, I don't really see how this conversation can progress.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:00 AM | Reply

Helium. I'm with you on being against illegal things. Not so much on making laws against things that are making jobs and fueling the economy.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-08 03:02 AM | Reply

"Ending $6 a day child labor. We should not be using Mexico as as a source of child slaves."

The actual slaves we get from Mexico are sex slaves, and they don't get paid anything. [...]

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:03 AM | Reply

#37 No I'm not. I'm talking about ending illegal immigration, and ending globalization. How is that bad?

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:04 AM | Reply

"#34 I... don't... care. Americans should be doing those jobs for decent wages, not Mexican child slaves for $6 a day!"

The problem is you're staring from The Way You Wish Things Were, not The Way It Really Is.

When you're able to discuss the way things really are, you'll have something to day.

Until then, don't you have some farmers to call the immigration cops on?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:05 AM | Reply

"I'm talking about ending illegal immigration"

Mabye in your semi-conscious state you think you are, but what you actually said was "Then support closing the border."

Are you still saying that?
How will I get a Bic lighter when the border is closed and I can't import one from France?
How will I get Jaegermeister? How will I get the good Ninja stars, you know the real ones from Japan?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:07 AM | Reply

#41 We ended the Gilded Age, and look what happened to America! It can be done! We can defeat the globalists.

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:07 AM | Reply

We ended the Gilded Age by closing the border, did we?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:09 AM | Reply

#43 Hmmm. You know I only want a 20% tariff on the slave nations. France has yet to devolve into slavery. The nations where unions are legal we aren't going to tariff.

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#45 We ended it by breaking up the large monopolies, enacting child labor laws, and supporting unions. I know you have an odd sense of humor, so stop pretending you don't understand me.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:12 AM | Reply

And back then, we had protective tariffs for our industries so our workers didn't have to compete with the slave nations.

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:14 AM | Reply

What does any of that have to do with

"Then support closing the border."
???

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:15 AM | Reply

Stop obfuscating. You know I meant "close the border to illegal aliens". Anyway, I got to cash it in. I have to be at work by 10:00 tomorrow.

#50 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 03:18 AM | Reply

"You know I meant "close the border to illegal aliens"

It already is.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You also know that, so what exactly are you trying to say?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 03:19 AM | Reply

progressives for slave labor lol

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-08-08 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We can force companies to hire legal workers without closing off the country.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner

Okay. How do you force companies to do anything? And if there are illegals willing to work for far less, how do you prevent companies from hiring them instead?

#54 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-08-08 07:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Why do Democrats love slaves?

Because they will become democrat voters, as soon as the Dems are back in power. What the dems mean by "path to citizenship" is a path to a permanent democrat majority.

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-08 07:54 AM | Reply

" A good plumber makes as much as an engineer."

No, they do not.

And an engineer doesn't have to have to worry about crawling around in a 3ft crawlspace (and other things of that nature)when he's 60yrs old.

I know...I'm a plumber.

#56 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-08-08 07:57 AM | Reply

Okay. How do you force companies to do anything? And if there are illegals willing to work for far less, how do you prevent companies from hiring them instead?
#54 | POSTED BY WHITEDEVIL AT 2017-08-08 07:40 AM | FLAG:

Is already illegal. The businesses need to be held accountable for committing the crime.

#57 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-08 08:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Undocumented workers account for 67 percent of people harvesting fruit, according to the Agriculture Department.

#23 | Posted by snoofy

90 some million people out of work and we have to import labor? WTF is wrong with that picture?

#58 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-08-08 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You know I meant "close the border to illegal aliens"

It already is.

#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-08-08 03:19 AM

And when did that happen? I will grant you that it has been significantly curtailed, but according to the DHS there were over 200,000 successful illegal entries into the US in 2015. That is far better than the 1.9M in 2005 but still a huge number.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-08 02:31 PM | Reply

"And when did that happen?"

Have you ever entered the United States?
Describe the process.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 02:35 PM | Reply

Have you ever entered the United States?
Describe the process.

#60 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2017-08-08 02:35 PM

Not by running across the Arizona Desert, through tunnels in Calexico, in a Trailer in New Mexico or in a raft on the Rio Grande. Stop trolling Snoofy, to argue that the border is closed to illegal immigration is retarded.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-08 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The message is, without a slave class wages increase.
Seems simple.
Why do Democrats love slaves?

#15 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2017-08-07 10:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You seem to think that all business owners that hire employees are democrats. I can assure you that is not true.

I know at least four personally that are hard line GOP and yes, they have been caught using undocumented workers and yes they have paid fines. But that is the game they play to keep profits high. Well now I heard from one of them and they are bitching about not being able to find quality workers for minimum wage. He was aghast that the answer is to offer more than minimum wage or he could work a roof in AZ in August.

#62 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-08 02:48 PM | Reply

90 some million people out of work and we have to import labor? WTF is wrong with that picture?

#58 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2017-08-08 10:15 AM | FLAG:

Well most don't want a job that pays nothing with no benefits that only lasts a few weeks. Maybe you should have a go at it.

www.independent.co.uk

#63 | Posted by 726 at 2017-08-08 02:55 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, to argue that the border is closed to illegal immigration is retarded."

Explain how you close the border to illegal immigration while not affecting the transit of anything else.

For example we could inspect every truck that comes across. However, doing so would affect, well, every truck, most of which aren't carrying illegal immigrants.

So, that will greatly reduce volume of legitimate trucked goods entering the USA.

Tell me how to close the border to illegals without closing it, or at least greatly narrowing it, for everything else.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 07:55 PM | Reply

#44
We can defeat the globalists.
..............................corporatists.

ftfy

#65 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-08 08:52 PM | Reply

#58
we've, some of us, have been telling you, for like, ever.
please stop going in circles.

LIVING WAGES

#66 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-08 08:58 PM | Reply

...and stop blaming THAT on immigrants.

#67 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-08 09:00 PM | Reply

The message is, without a slave class wages increase.
Seems simple.
Why do Democrats love slaves?
#15 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2017-08-07 10:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

and all those corporations vote dem, do they?

#68 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-08 09:03 PM | Reply

Stop obfuscating.

#50 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-08-08 03:18 AM | FLAG:

Stop channeling Shawn.

#69 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2017-08-08 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How bout one of you Know-Nothings take a crack at #64.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 09:14 PM | Reply

#62- I'm talking about sanctuary cities and states were they protect the slave class over citizens.

Democratic voting Hillary states. They want a depressed wage workforce.

Modern Day Slavery.

I say Emancipate them!

#71 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-08-08 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fight For $15!

#72 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-08-09 02:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fight for $15!

#73 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-09 02:52 AM | Reply

Explain how you close the border to illegal immigration while not affecting the transit of anything else.

For example we could inspect every truck that comes across. However, doing so would affect, well, every truck, most of which aren't carrying illegal immigrants.

So, that will greatly reduce volume of legitimate trucked goods entering the USA.

Tell me how to close the border to illegals without closing it, or at least greatly narrowing it, for everything else.

#64 | Posted by snoofy

Why shouldn't trucks be inspected coming into the US?
Should luggage be x-rayed for passengers coming in?

#74 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-08-09 10:49 PM | Reply

"Why shouldn't trucks be inspected coming into the US?"

I addresses that in the text you quoted, stupid eugenicist.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-09 10:51 PM | Reply

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