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Monday, August 07, 2017

IN a screed that rocketed around Silicon Valley this weekend, a software engineer at Google blasted the company's efforts to increase the number of minorities and women in its ranks and leadership positions. Critics say his sentiments reflect a tech company culture that's unwelcoming or even hostile to women and minorities. Another fear: The engineer's words reflect the unspoken thoughts of many others in an industry dominated by white men.

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The essay was posted on an internal Google forum by a male software engineer and titled "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber."

The essay argues that Google should stop its campaigns to increase gender and racial diversity and focus instead on "ideological diversity." It says the reason women don't make up half of the company's technological and leadership positions is because of "genetic differences" in their preferences and abilities.

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So wemin are dumb???

How do you explain that every woman I know (starting with momma) can recall any conversation from the last 100 years, word for word, and throw it back into your face?

I would say that's bloody brilliant. I can't do that.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-08-07 07:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#1 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

feeling the need to do that proves one of his points (neuroticism).

#2 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-08-07 08:23 AM | Reply

Ignoring your diagnosis for a bit... it really is brilliant if you think about it. There is a fair amount of photographic/perfect-recall memory processing going on.

I reckon it would come in handy for coding if properly applied.

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2017-08-07 09:46 AM | Reply

#3 - I started in engineering back when finding a female in engineering was rarer than finding a person with an above 100 IQ in the Trump voting public.

About 15 years ago, my boss took a thing that i had started (and was going well) and give it to a female that they needed to retain as a token. And he wanted me to 'help' her. So, even aside from her repeated requests to give advice (i.e. make the decisions for her and let her take the credit), I made her send me all decisions and requests for actions in writing. Even then, I only gave her a list of possible answers.

She failed miserably because she was not competent to the task. However, I have known a few women who were competent engineers, but not very many, and certainly not when it comes to real engineers, as opposed to paper engineers.

We are in the 'fake it till you make it' stage. The gov't knows that if you push 1000 females into engineering, you will end up with 100 more competent female engineers than you had if you hadn't socially engineered it. I still don't know why it is important to do so. I still believe in merit.

I wonder when they will attack the problem of not having enough whites, asians and mid-easterners in the NBA and NFL?

#4 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-08-07 10:12 AM | Reply


Reading the essay, it appears that the problem of the person who wrote it, is that he brought his political biases into the workplace. He has been looking at the workplace that Google created from a political point of view, not a business point of view.

As such, it appears that his political opinions and prejudices are tainting his opinion of the workplace. He comes across as the type of person who cannot seem to talk about anything but politics, regardless of the setting.

That's what I got out of it with my first reading. I decided that it looked too superficial to gain anything further from rereading it.

Essay is available here:
gizmodo.com

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-07 10:21 AM | Reply


@#3 ... I started in engineering back when finding a female in engineering was rare...

Engineering colleges were mostly male-only until the early- mid-1970's when they started going coed.

In my career, I have worked for, with, and have managed, excellent female Engineers in the fields of electronics hardware engineering to software engineering.

From what I've seen, the lack of women in Engineering is due more to the abundance of people like the person who wrote the essay than any innate ability, or lack thereof, of women in the field

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-07 10:30 AM | Reply

I had the pleasure of working with a remarkable woman who could answer any network question off the top of her head. I learned more from her in the 2 years we were on the same team than any book or class ever taught me.

#7 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-07 10:59 AM | Reply

Female engineers are better, they brought in cookies.

#8 | Posted by patron at 2017-08-07 11:11 AM | Reply

give it to a female that they needed to retain as a token.

And the DR Left once again shows it's true colors.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-07 11:15 AM | Reply

The post-modern virus has become such an epidemic that even pointing out the obvious, i.e., men and women are different, is called a "microagression" and "misogynist."

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-07 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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--He comes across as the type of person who cannot seem to talk about anything but politics, regardless of the setting.

Sounds like many of the ideologues of the retort. You could have a thread on bbq and some lunatic will start shouting "trump!".

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-07 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1


@#11 ... Sounds like many of the ideologues of the retort. You could have a thread on bbq and some lunatic will start shouting "trump!". ...

Last summer, how many BBQs did you attend and the conversation turned to Hillary?

The problem is pervasive throughout our society nowadays. It is not restricted to the left or the right.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-07 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#1 The Forer Effect

#13 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2017-08-07 12:22 PM | Reply

--He comes across as the type of person who cannot seem to talk about anything but politics, regardless of the setting.
Sounds like many of the ideologues of the retort. You could have a thread on bbq and some lunatic will start shouting "trump!".

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I noticed the Right hates discussing certain topics: Trump, the Iraq war, Facts in general, numbers, reality.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-07 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"pointing out the obvious, i.e., men and women are different, is called a "microagression" and "misogynist."

Nulli,

Your failure to include "misandryst" in the same league as misogynist is a microaggression against men.

Thanks for playing.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-07 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Noticing men and women are different is puberty

Claiming women are inferior is mysogyny

#16 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-07 03:52 PM | Reply

Ive been an engineer for 30 years. I have worked with many men and women and many of different ethnicities. I have reviewed with work of even more engineers from other firms. I have experienced bad and good engineers. There was no correlation between talent and gender/race/ethnicity/marital status/parental status or sexual orientation for that matter.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-08-07 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#11 They just need a professional cuddle.

#18 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-07 05:33 PM | Reply


Just saw this...

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
www.bloomberg.com

...Alphabet Inc.'s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company's diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for "perpetuating gender stereotypes." A Google representative didn't immediately return a request for comment.

Google's Chief Executive Officer Sundar Pichai sent a note to employees on Monday that said portions of the employee's memo "violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace." But he didn't say if the company was taking action against the employee.....


 

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-08-07 09:57 PM | Reply

One of the prerequisites for being successful in tech is that you're willing to spend a lot of time and friends' money building a BS product that you hope some other moron will think is worth a billion dollars. It's not just women who struggle in the software industry. It's men with a halfway functioning BS detector.

A company that has no revenues has a negative value. A company with no profits and a dim future also has a negative value. Women and most men kinda know it. What the GOOG exec said is a compliment, actually.

No, Quora is NOT worth a billion dollars. Tesla is NOT worth more than Ford Motor or GM. Can't blame a woman for seeing the obvious and choosing to work in real estate instead.

#20 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-08-07 11:01 PM | Reply

Sarah Palin
Carly Fiorina
Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Ann Coulter
Every blonde on Fox News

There's a ton of dumb chicks in the world. Maybe this guy has a point.

#21 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2017-08-08 06:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Claiming there is no difference between men and women is killing society.

#22 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-08-08 07:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The post-modern virus has become such an epidemic that even pointing out the obvious, i.e., men and women are different, is called a "microagression" and "misogynist."

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Well in this case it is misogynist. He is completely off base with his argument. He demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of biology, gender as well as engineering. The attributes that he falsely labels as "feminine" are then many of the attributes that make for a good engineer. He also fails to recognize the flaw in his argument where he blames the "feminine" role on women tending to have those attributes but then states that feminism has made the "feminine" role less rigid and allows women to be more than what expectations for their gender dictate that they be. Despite his protest to the contrary, his entire argument reveals his ingrained prejudice against women.

#23 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-08-08 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond

"The author of the Google essay on issues related to diversity gets nearly all of the science and its implications exactly right. Its main points are that: 1. Neither the left nor the right gets diversity completely right; 2. The social science evidence on implicit and explicit bias has been wildly oversold and is far weaker than most people seem to realize; 3. Google has, perhaps unintentionally, created an authoritarian atmosphere that has stifled discussion of these issues by stigmatizing anyone who disagrees as a bigot and instituted authoritarian policies of reverse discrimination; 4. The policies and atmosphere systematically ignore biological, cognitive, educational, and social science research on the nature and sources of individual and group differences. I cannot speak to the atmosphere at Google, but: 1. Give that the author gets everything else right, I am pretty confident he is right about that too; 2. It is a painfully familiar atmosphere, one that is a lot like academia."

quillette.com

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-08 01:24 PM | Reply

The post-modern virus has become such an epidemic that even pointing out the obvious, i.e., men and women are different, is called a "microagression" and "misogynist."
#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That's not post modernism. That's crazy political correctness. It works the same way with the Right claiming their free speech rights are being taken when they are called racists when they act like racists.

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-08 02:02 PM | Reply

"The attributes that he falsely labels as "feminine" are then many of the attributes that make for a good engineer"

Nulli believes there are feminine and masculine traits, but he won't say what they are.

That's how you can tell it's ---------.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 02:32 PM | Reply

And... he's fired. Today.

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 06:15 PM | Reply

#27 Don't confuse Snoofy.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 06:16 PM | Reply

He went to the NLRB as he presented his manifesto. Google is going to be in for a very bad time.

#30 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2017-08-08 06:46 PM | Reply

So.
Is going to the NLRB a masculine or feminine thing to do?
Or are we not talking about that any more?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-08-08 09:17 PM | Reply

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