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Monday, August 07, 2017

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean ripped what he called the "whiny" portion of the Democratic Party on Saturday in response to criticism of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) by a number of progressives. "There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party -- the party that doesn't really wanna win, they just wanna be pure, and if they go down swinging purely, then that's fine," Dean, who ran for president in 2004, told MSNBC's Joy Reid on AM Joy.

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Is the "whiny portion of the Democratic party" the Bernie Bros or the Corky Coalition? I can't tell from the posts here.

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-07 06:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

It sure as hell isn't you Cookfish, we wouldn't tolerate you in the Democratic Party, our standards are much higher than than. We don't even want you vote every,

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-07 07:53 AM | Reply

Also, the folks Howard Dean is talking about know exactly who they are and what he is saying about them. Pretty much exactly the same things me, Corky and others have been saying for a long time and guess what, we're not going stop. We either create a united party or lose. Hey, y'all helped elect Trump, if that doesn't teach then nothing will.
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#3 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-07 07:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

the Bernie Bros or the Corky Coalition?

My apologies for leaving out the Danni Downers.

#4 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-07 08:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We either create a united party or lose.

So, you're saying Republicans will stay in power for quite some time to come?

#5 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-07 08:24 AM | Reply

The irony of watching purity test posters talk about unity. It's so painful.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-08-07 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IMHO Howard Dean was the best Chaiman of the Democratic Party that we've had in decades.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-08-07 09:06 AM | Reply

Howard Dean said what I've been thinking for a while now. Losers taking the high ground is so pathetic.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-07 09:38 AM | Reply

Cook is just having fun.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-07 09:43 AM | Reply

--n response to criticism of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) by a number of progressives.

Who is going to whine when opponents of Harris in the Democratic primaries start asking about her "association" with Willie Brown? Dean will scream.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-08-07 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#2- the tolerant left rears its ugly head.

We know Danni,

We know...

#11 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-08-07 10:28 AM | Reply

Who is going to whine...

You.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-08-07 10:31 AM | Reply

asking about her "association" with

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-08-07 09:56 AM | FLAG:

Make up your mind. One post is about how we should only vote for the best from the criminal Russians who hacked our election and the criminal man they put into power. The next post is about how some unknown association is enough to blackball a Democrat.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-08-07 11:23 AM | Reply

Dean sold out years ago, so no real surprise here on his outlook. As long as the Democratic Party is more interested in their large campaign contributors rather than the electorate, they'll keep being marginalized. The Clintons and the DLC need to get lost.

#14 | Posted by morris at 2017-08-07 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Soon after he entered office Donald Trump abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Soon after he entered office Barack Obama abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Soon after he entered office Bill Clinton abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Astute readers may detect a pattern here.

What I think Dean is trying to say is that its too much to ask a politician to keep their campaign promises, like saving US manufacturing jobs by halting offshoring, or holding criminal Bankers accountable, or stopping or even reducing military spending and invasion of other countries. Fogetaboutit.

#15 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-08-07 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is the "whiny portion of the Democratic party" the Bernie Bros or the Corky Coalition? I can't tell from the posts here.

#1 | POSTED BY COOKFISH AT 2017-08-07 06:43 AM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 2 | NEWSWORTHY 1

It sure as hell isn't you Cookfish, we wouldn't tolerate you in the Democratic Party, our standards are much higher than than. We don't even want you vote every,

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-08-07 07:53 AM | FLAG:

#2 just answered #1

#16 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-07 12:28 PM | Reply

Hey, y'all helped elect Trump, if that doesn't teach then nothing will.
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#3 | Posted by danni

LOL if you come down off your purity pony for long enough you might see the irony in this gem.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-08-07 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2- the tolerant left rears its ugly head.
We know Danni,
We know...

#11 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

Sorry we don't tolerate your racism, sexism, etc. Go cry to someone who cares.

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-08-07 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Could be worse. A whiny faction on the left is better than the entire right wing whining for 9 years straight.

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-07 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

See there it is again. Projection at it best.

#20 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-08-07 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party -- the party that doesn't really wanna win, they just wanna be pure, and if they go down swinging purely, then that's fine,"

Dean is just stating the obvious... and the same thing that Bernie and Noam and Michael and Liz warned some Bernie supporters about, so it's not a left and leftier thing, really, it's a pragmatist vs ideologue thing.

#19

The entire rwing have become ideologues.... well, they've mostly unknowingly supported ideologues who fear-mongered them with the dread of people who aren't just like them.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-07 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#15 He ran on draining the swamp, making Washington actually work and get something done. He didn't realize how very difficult it would be. As Ted Cruz said, he was blown away when he got to the senate to see that the number one thing senators(both sides of the aisle) concentrated on was getting re-elected which was campaigning for funding. He said it was what they did 99% of the time. So if a President comes along and tries to put an end to it do you think they are going to help him?

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2017-08-07 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- He didn't realize how very difficult it would be.

Almost as tough as tying his shoes, right? The list of things Trump doesn't realize is infinite.

And #15's false equivalencies between Trump and Obama and Clinton are way too much of a stretch.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-07 03:30 PM | Reply

"so it's not a left and leftier thing, really, it's a pragmatist vs ideologue thing."

Ah yes, the righteous purity of the "pragmatist". The join us or lose chant from the milquetoast middle crowd. How about you join the left and win? Not ideologically middle ground enough for you?

#24 | Posted by dibblda at 2017-08-07 10:10 PM | Reply

If only we were more centrist, we would win! We elected the most centrist candidate possible and we lost. The solution? An even more centrist candidate!

#25 | Posted by dibblda at 2017-08-07 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Irony is these losers once loved Howard.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2017-08-07 10:26 PM | Reply

I love threads like these. No dog in the race at all. All I need is a bucket of popcorn and a comfortable chair.

#27 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-08-07 11:05 PM | Reply

-join the left and win?

You mean like Bernie did by a landslide 4 million votes?

#25

You missed the point by a mile.... it's not a left and leftier thing, really, it's a pragmatist vs ideologue thing.

Centrist is just as unimportant. There is a time to be ideological and a time to hold your water and be pragmatic.

As Bernie demonstrated most admirably.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-07 11:38 PM | Reply

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#29 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-08-08 12:51 AM | Reply

That's right Howard, we should just bend over for the bankers, open-borders globalists, and neocon think tanks. Because that's the only way to defeat the evil Republicans!

#30 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 01:05 AM | Reply

And there was nothing more to be said.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-08-08 02:14 AM | Reply

Only the left has a sufficient grip on reality to put the country back on track. Everyone else is a bunch of thieves, lying their @$$'$ off.

#32 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-08-08 08:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#32

I would agree with that... which does nothing to get someone of the left elected. Obama ran left but had to govern in the middle to get anything at all done.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Howard Dean Slams Purist 'Whiny' Left

Keep ignoring the "whiners" Howard, keep getting the same results.

The biggest rallies of 2106 were for the candidate the whiners loved. Then the DNC said "too bad, take your corporate puppet and love her."

Howard must love losing. At least as much as he loves those fat corporate bribes.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama ran left but had to govern in the middle to get anything at all done.

#33 | Posted by Corky

You mean he lied to everyone.

No one forced him to take away single payer except his donors.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 12:02 PM | Reply

- The biggest rallies of 2106

Their candidate lost in a 4 million vote landslide.

Today we have Trump saying don't look at the "fake polls", look at his bigly rallies.

"There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party -- the party that doesn't really wanna win, they just wanna be pure, and if they go down swinging purely, then that's fine,"

sounds just like you

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 12:05 PM | Reply

-No one forced him to take away single payer except his donors.

Complete and udder BS. You said the same thing the other day and I'll repeat what I said... there were never enough votes in the Sen to get single payer with GOP and a few Blue Dogs against it.

Ask Bernie.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Well, the problem with that is it leaves behind the people who really need their help," he continued. "If we're gonna have a single-payer or Medicare for all or whatever, we're gonna have healthcare that covers every American, as every other industrialized country has, then we all have to pull together."

"And people who sit out or crank on some candidate because they did this or that that wasn't to their purity test are basically turning their back on the very people they pretend to represent," Dean said.

"So I don't have a lot of patience with this wing of the progressive party."

Yeah, he's talking about you. Had Clinton been elected we would be one step closer to universal health care rather than one vote short of killing the ACA which was a step in the right direction.

But since it wasn't the whole loaf, the whiny would rather have a broken glass muffin as Colbert said.

Dean is just stating the obvious... and the same thing that Bernie and Noam and Michael and Liz warned some Bernie supporters about, so it's not a left and leftier thing, really, it's a pragmatist vs ideologue thing.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 12:11 PM | Reply

No one forced him to take away single payer except his donors.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 12:02 PM

"Single payer" was DOA in Congress at the time. The ACA was never meant to be anything but a stepping stone in that direction. It was, after all, a GOP plan to begin with, which made it slightly palatable.

#39 | Posted by morris at 2017-08-08 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"There has always been a section of the left, which I call the whiny party -- the party that doesn't really wanna win, they just wanna be pure, and if they go down swinging purely, then that's fine,"

sounds just like you

#36 | Posted by Corky

I'm sure it does, to anyone stupid enough to not see the "whiners" have been right, and the corporate sellout democrat "realists" have been losing elections nationwide for years.

Give the people a real choice and they'll make the better choice. Force them to choose between corporate repubs and corproate dems, and they choose corporate repubs. At least they wear their plutocracy on their sleeve instead of pretending to represent the little guy while doing the bidding of insurance companies and bankers.

But I'm sure your strategy will work great in 2018. Just because it lost in 2016, 2014, 2012, 2010, 2004, and 2000 doesn't mean you should try something new yet does it?
Keep ramming your stupid head into that wall.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We don't want purity we will accept anyone who wants to make America a better place for EVERYONE. It just so happens that America is full of greedy selfish ------ whose policies don't deserve polite discussion.

#41 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-08-08 01:52 PM | Reply

#40

You shouldn't talk about Bernie that way. Just because he voted for Clinton and advised you to do the same.

- and corproate dems,

Those angry white swing state working class voters who voted for Trump viewed Hillary not as a corporate Dem but as a multi-culture coddling liberal.

You just can't see past your own perspective. Which is why your candidates can't win a party nomination, much less a general election.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 04:10 PM | Reply

The next post is about how some unknown association is enough to blackball a Democrat.

Most people in SF know that Kamala Harris had an affair with her mentor that many suspected broke up his marriage...but guess what, they didn't care.

I think in this day and age most Democratic voters in the US won't care either.

#43 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-08-08 04:27 PM | Reply

The word down here in LA is that her new husband had the same issue, not sure if it's true or not but I am sure that her opponents opposition research (the legitimate kind) will find all the secrets that she has.

That being said, it probably won't matter one bit, if she plays her cards right Kamala will be a frontrunner in 2020.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-08 04:59 PM | Reply

She certainly put on weight.

www.youtube.com

#45 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-08 05:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You shouldn't talk about Bernie that way. Just because he voted for Clinton and advised you to do the same.
You just can't see past your own perspective. Which is why your candidates can't win a party nomination, much less a general election.
#42 | Posted by Corky

YOu know you're candidate is weak when the best thing you can say about them is they're better than donald trump.

And spare us your analysis of electoral competitiveness. We know your record on that: Being WRONG and picking LOSERS.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That was more an obfuscation than a retort, but whatever.

Bernie was less pure lefty than you, we get it.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 06:18 PM | Reply

Bernie was less pure lefty than you, we get it.

#47 | Posted by Corky

No you don't get it. If you got it, you'd admit that picking corporate puppets is a losing strategy for democrats. That stupid strategy resulted in the most tragic election loss in our nation's history and you STILL don't get it.

The only thing that could make the 2016 election any worse is if dems refuse to learn or change from it. If the rest of the party is anything like you, the dem party has a dark future ahead.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 06:38 PM | Reply

Even a dog knows that if it eats out of the trash and gets beaten once, it shouldnt eat out of the trash again.

Learn from the dog.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 06:39 PM | Reply

#49

You keep going on about your beating in the Dem primary.... you shoulda listened to Bernie afterwards.

But I guess a statistical fluke in the EC is a real "beating" according to you.

Time to Panic!

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 06:42 PM | Reply

- the most tragic election loss in our nation's history

Lotsa Drama, Queenie.

-picking corporate puppets

Those angry white swing state working class voters who voted for Trump viewed Hillary not as a corporate Dem but as a multi-culture coddling liberal.

You just can't see past your own perspective. Which is why your candidates can't win a party nomination, much less a general election.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-08 06:44 PM | Reply

Those angry white swing state working class voters who voted for Trump viewed Hillary not as a corporate Dem but as a multi-culture coddling liberal.

#51 | Posted by Corky

Again, until you learn why you lost, you'll keep losing.

Many people HELD THEIR NOSE to vote for trump. And many of them would have much preferred to vote for bernie. You tossed them aside by offering them a corrupt puppet. And you'll do it again, because apparently youre either that stubborn or just that stupid.

What's worse, admitting you suck at reading the electorate (which you already proved), or giving trump 4 more years?

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-08 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

*passes the popcorn to WhiteDevil*

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-08 07:08 PM | Reply

"It just so happens that America is full of greedy selfish ------ whose policies don't deserve polite discussion."

I agree. Bernie and his Bros should be dismissed outright.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-08-09 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-And many of them would have much preferred to vote for bernie.

They had their chance in the primary and didn't do it. So much for that theory.

It does, however, sound like you are finally admitting that you and your ilk helped elect Trump despite Bernie's warning to you.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 10:43 AM | Reply

They had their chance in the primary and didn't do it. So much for that theory.

It does, however, sound like you are finally admitting that you and your ilk helped elect Trump despite Bernie's warning to you.

#55 | Posted by Corky

No they didn't, because they were republicans are independents.

My ilk? My ilk are the VOTE FOR THE LESSER EVIL ilk. Your ilk are the VOTE FOR THE LESSER EVIL BUT ONLY IN THE GENERAL. IN THE PRIMARY VOTE FOR A CORPORATE PUPPET ilk.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 01:14 PM | Reply

Wow, I LIKE this thread! The ol' stalwarts Corker and Speaks shooting arrows at each other.. Obviously, Speaks isn't aware of the love, adoration, and TOTAL loyalty of Corker for the Hilabeast that has endured for years. I especially like the part where Corker blames Speaks for her loss instead of the Russians...LOLOL

#57 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-08-09 01:31 PM | Reply

Wow, I LIKE this thread! The ol' stalwarts Corker and Speaks shooting arrows at each other.. Obviously, Speaks isn't aware of the love, adoration, and TOTAL loyalty of Corker for the Hilabeast that has endured for years. I especially like the part where Corker blames Speaks for her loss instead of the Russians...LOLOL

#57 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Keep in it mind next time you feel like calling either of us partisan loyalists.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Keep in it mind next time you feel like calling either of us partisan loyalists."

Yeah, Speaks, there MAY be some hope for your salvation...but Corky...NO WAY!

#59 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2017-08-09 01:52 PM | Reply

- VOTE FOR THE LESSER EVIL

Requires a competitive candidate, not someone who loses in a landslide, even with undemocratic Caucuses.

Besides which, the First Law of LEV is practically a portrait of you.

1) Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites.

Then there is this...

6) However, the left should also recognize that, should Trump win based on its failure to support Clinton, it will repeatedly face the accusation (based in fact), that it lacks concern for those sure to be most victimized by a Trump administration.

chomsky.info

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 04:06 PM | Reply

- VOTE FOR THE LESSER EVIL

Requires a competitive candidate

#60 | Posted by Corky

"Competitive" as defined by you and the billionaires who control the DNC, right?

Competitive= willing to sell out and take corporate bribes.

I define "competitive" as the candidate who has the most passionate supporters and who does best in the swing states that matter. That was bernie.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-That was bernie.

Who had the integrity to tell you to put away your ego and vote for Clinton the way he did after he lost.

But, nooooooo.... your way or the Trump way.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 04:29 PM | Reply

But, nooooooo.... your way or the Trump way.

#62 | Posted by Corky

I vote for the lesser evil dum dum. Always.

You only do it if the lesser evil is billionare-approved.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 04:29 PM | Reply

--Always.

So you voted for Clinton in the general.

When the candidate is about to lose by a landslide, he's not a competitive choice. Especially when one of the reasons he isn't competitive is that he uses fuzzy math and magic growth for his economic policies, which only makes them like the GOP economic policies.

But I do understand why you never comment on how your entire shtick is contrary to the First Rule of LEV, and how you don't want to talk about Rule #6, either.

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 04:41 PM | Reply

So you voted for Clinton in the general.

When the candidate is about to lose by a landslide, he's not a competitive choice. Especially when one of the reasons he isn't competitive is that he uses fuzzy math and magic growth for his economic policies, which only makes them like the GOP economic policies.

#64 | Posted by Corky

So are you just PRETENDING to not know that the states where bernie lost don't matter for dems, or are you really that politically ignorant?

The american people don't care about fuzzy math. They elected a man who can't do 2+2 who promised to make it rain gold. They care about having a passionate warrior fighting for them against the elites. You suck at picking candidates the american people like so you should stop trying to do something you've proven you suck at.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 05:53 PM | Reply

PRETENDING that wins in undemocratic Caucuses didn't offset wins in red states... on the way to a 4 million vote landslide loss.

- The american people

That voted for Trump would never ever in million years have voted for that "Commie Bernie", which is what he would have become during a campaign.

You suck loudly at discerning that rwing populists are not lwing populists.

Almost as loudly as you do at answering the comments in 64.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 06:02 PM | Reply

#66;

"The american people That voted for Trump would never ever in million years have voted for that 'Commie Bernie' "

Sorry Corky, but considering all the "non-racists" that voted for trump claim to have voted for him do to economic concerns and trump essentially lifted Bernie's economic platform to capitalize on the populism, I'd say that statement is false.

#67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-09 06:09 PM | Reply

That voted for Trump would never ever in million years have voted for that "Commie Bernie", which is what he would have become during a campaign.

You suck loudly at discerning that rwing populists are not lwing populists.

Almost as loudly as you do at answering the comments in 64.

#66 | Posted by Corky

This is why you suck at your predictions and recommendations - because you can't get through your thick head that there is a large angry anti establishment voter group who are desperate for CHANGE. Dems didn't offer it, so they turned to the party that did.

That's why you think no trump voters would have voted for bernie. In reality, many of trump's voters HATE trump, and only voted for him because they hated hillary MORE. Bernie would have gotten almost all of hillary's votes, PLUS some trump votes, PLUS all the Jill Stein votes, PLUS a bunch of people who didnt vote at all, and he'd be president now if your ILK hadn't been obsessed with "being realistic."

But please, after being proved disastrously wrong in 2016, let us all listen to you about the electorate and future elections. While we're at it, let's hop in a car driven by Ray Charles.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

- claim to have voted for him do to economic concerns

Clinton won the middle class and people who said they voted on economics going away.

"But among the 52 percent of voters who said economics was the most important issue in the election, Clinton beat Trump by double digits. In the vast majority of swing states, voters said they preferred Clinton on the economy.

If the 2016 election had come down to economics exclusively, the working class -- which, by any reasonable definition, includes the black, Hispanic, and Asian working classes, too -- would have elected Hillary Clinton president."

www.theatlantic.com

It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

MAY 9, 2017

www.theatlantic.com

Trump's economics were standard Republican fare as policy, and rwing populists are on the opposite pole from lwing populists; lwing populists are not fearmongered by societal change as rwing populists are, for example.

But the Dem primary is ancient history. What mattered in the gen election was voting for either Clinton or Trump.

Of which Chomsky said:

"However, the left should also recognize that, should Trump win based on its failure to support Clinton, it will repeatedly face the accusation (based in fact), that it lacks concern for those sure to be most victimized by a Trump administration."

I liked Sanders, since about '72, actually, and was disappointed that he was running against the current with some policies that I agree with but which were not well thought out or well presented and which would never have won over the multi-culturally disturbed rwing populists.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 06:32 PM | Reply

- Dems didn't offer it, so they turned to the party that did.

You mean the party that lied about offering it... lied to people they had already fearmongered about Dem policies helping the multi-cultural demographics, which is what won them the election... see the links above.

- Bernie would have gotten almost all of hillary's votes

No, he would have done poorly among Moderates, including a lot of black voters in swing states, worse than Hillary did.

- he'd be president now if

If he had been able to not lose a primary by a landslide, according to your far left perspective, which is not the American voter's more conservative perspective.

Perhaps you'd like to educate us on which pres candidate ever became Pres the same year that they lost their own party primary in a landslide??

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 06:37 PM | Reply

I liked Sanders, since about '72, actually, and was disappointed that he was running against the current with some policies that I agree with but which were not well thought out or well presented and which would never have won over the multi-culturally disturbed rwing populists.

#69 | Posted by Corky

He didn't have to win them over. He has a staunch record of populism and he's a white male. It's the liberals who couldnt get themselves to vote for a white man, too obsessed with electing "The first _____ president!" to think about winning the swing voters.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But the Dem primary is ancient history.
#69 | Posted by Corky

It sure is. Now what's that saying about refusing to learn from history?

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#72;

I thought failing to learn from history was a bonafide qualification for the DNC?

#73 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-09 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Please see #1 - I still can't tell who's the whiniest.

#74 | Posted by cookfish at 2017-08-09 07:24 PM | Reply

Cookfish,

It doesn't matter. See my post #19.

#75 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-08-09 07:44 PM | Reply

Please see #1 - I still can't tell who's the whiniest.

#74 | Posted by cookfish

The answer is always old white conservative males.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 07:55 PM | Reply

Is anyone else not surprised that Corky brought his favorite Atlantic article to this thread?

Give it a rest Corky, no one other than you is buying that BS.

#77 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-08-09 08:32 PM | Reply

#77

It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump
A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.
MAY 9, 2017

Make an argument... if you can. It'll be a first.

- who's the whiniest.

As Howard Dean pointed out, it's the leftier than thou purists who refused to listen to Bernie after the primary. Or Chomsky or Warren or Micheal Moore.

Because they are too self-important to compromise.

#71 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Perhaps you'd like to educate us on which pres candidate ever became Pres the same year that they lost their own party primary in a landslide??

(crickets)

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 09:34 PM | Reply

Or Chomsky or Warren or Micheal Moore.

Two out of three of those also told us that Chavez and Maduro were doing great things in Venezuela => YUGE Grain of Salt on their "advice."

#79 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-09 09:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Perhaps you'd like to educate us on which pres candidate ever became Pres the same year that they lost their own party primary in a landslide??

(crickets)

#78 | Posted by Corky

Perhaps you'd like to remind us who you picked to run against trump and what the results were?

Again, all you do is prove you don't understand the american electorate. If you want to get rid of trump, shut the hell up and go think about what you've done, instead of doing your best to do it again.

Listen to the people who warned you last time instead of lecturing them about how even when you were obviously wrong, you're somehow still right.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-08-09 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...which pres candidate ever became Pres the same year that they lost their own another party's primary in a landslide??"

Quick repair...

#81 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-08-09 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have to hand it to Corky, even though he is the only one still rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic he is absolutely positive that the ship isn't sinking...into the Atlantic.

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-08-09 10:02 PM | Reply

#79

Truly a Master of the totally irrelevant comment.

- what the results were?

A statistical fluke in the EC and a 3 million vote win in the popular vote. Some purists panic over flukes, however, I'll give you that.

And answering a question with a question is no answer at all. Try again. When has what you propose would so obviously happen ever happened before??

- Listen to the people who warned you last time

Had you purity pony riders taken your own advice and listened to your candidate, Trump might not be in office now.

- another party'

He ran as a Dem and even committed to stay one. That didn't last.

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 10:20 PM | Reply

#82

Caricature, no argument? Must be RoC.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 10:21 PM | Reply

What seems to be flying over your head at supersonic speeds, Speaks, other than the question you can't answer, is that Trump voters didn't want that multi-cultural demographic coddling liberal (in their view, if not yours) Clinton's policies, even if those policies also benefited them.... meaning they certainly would not have been interested in Bernie's even moreso policies.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2017-08-09 10:32 PM | Reply

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