Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 18, 2017

Senators Jerry Moran (KS) and MIke Lee (UT) have jointly announced they will both vote against a procedural move needed to move Trumpcare to the floor for debate. This effectively kills Trumpcare 3.0. The Senators made the joint announcement so neither one would be blamed for being the vote that killed the repeal. Expect more Senators to join the bandwagon, now that the pressure is off. With Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, already coming out against advancing the healthcare bill, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., no longer has the votes he needs to have least 50 of 52 Republicans on board.

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Jerry Moran got his ass reamed when he went to western Kansas to speak to the citizenry there. They don't want their medicaid reduced at all.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-17 09:20 PM | Reply

"They don't want their medicaid reduced at all."

I saw that video. He didn't seem to want it reduced, either. By the end of the meeting, he seemed to agree with the crowd.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 09:25 PM | Reply

Nail meets coffin time yet?

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-17 09:32 PM | Reply

Watch for additional Republicans to come out against the Senate Bill, now that political cover has been given.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Got a brother who just lost his job with the state so he's going to need private insurance. Obamacare is just the ticket he needs. Now Congress should get together and fix it. It's the American thing to do, for once put aside partisanship and fix what's broken. And hey while you're at it fix Medicare Part D and allow Medicare to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices or else never say you want to bring down the cost of healthcare ever again.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-17 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

OH, and also, take Marco Rubio out in the back yard and kick the crap out of him for eliminating cost corridors which caused many insurance companies to pull out of Obamacare.....as he knew it would. He threw his own constituents under the bus for cheap political points and now, it seems, he has failed. It didn't work, he just hurt his constituents but didn't accomplish anything. The single most ambitious politician in the Senate with the least amount of concern for his own constituents, of which I am one.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-17 10:04 PM | Reply

Technically donald never said he would repeal Obamacare, he just said he would try.

So, he kept his campaign promise... he tried.

Another MAGA win!!

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-07-17 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

ObamaCare repeal is DEAD. I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-17 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura, it ain't over. The greedy rich want their tax cut, they will fight again another day. They have greed in their eyes, I don't know if they can be prevented from satisfying it.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-17 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Nail meets coffin time yet?

#3 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2017-07-17 09:32 PM | FLAG:

No way. They knee-capped Obamacare and now they have no plan to replace it. They've only just flushed us all down the toilet.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-07-17 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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They may move on to tax reform next. Maybe spend some time moving us closer to totalitarian rule. Who knows? They still have a few years.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-07-17 10:26 PM | Reply

War maybe.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-07-17 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump = failure.

#13 | Posted by cbob at 2017-07-17 10:28 PM | Reply

Laura, it ain't over. The greedy rich want their tax cut, they will fight again another day. They have greed in their eyes, I don't know if they can be prevented from satisfying it.

Posted by danni at 2017-07-17 10:18 PM | Reply

Conservatives said the same thing about Social Security and Medicare too. ObamaCare is part of the third rail in American history. Social Security and Medicare being its siblings.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-17 10:30 PM | Reply

Watch for additional Republicans to come out against the Senate Bill, now that political cover has been given.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 10:01 PM

Most astute thing you have ever said.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-17 10:30 PM | Reply

yesterday....

Americans Prefer Obamacare 2-1 Over the Republican Plan

abcnews.go.com

That's the reason some of these GOPhers are running away... their jobs are in danger. Democracy at werk.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-17 10:31 PM | Reply

@#8 ... ObamaCare repeal is DEAD. I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...

Don't start doing the backflips just yet. What looks dead (for now) is the ACA replacement.

I'm still reading about Senators who want to try just a repeal, without the replace.

After all, while fmr Pres Obama was in office, Congress voted more than 40 times to repeal ACA. But at the time, they knew the bill would not be signed into law.

Now that there is a chance of the bill being signed into law, it should be easy for a Republican Congress to repeal ACA.

So what is taking them so long? What's one more time when they've already done it so many times in the past?

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-07-17 10:50 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER
"Most astute thing you have ever said."

Top 50, perhaps, but nowhere near the most.

#18 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-07-17 10:54 PM | Reply

I've asked for his forgiveness, btw, for punching John McCain in the eye.

Hey, it was before this news of other defections came out. Get over it!

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-17 11:03 PM | Reply

"Most astute thing you have ever said."

You clearly need to read more.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 11:25 PM | Reply

So, he kept his campaign promise... he tried.
Another MAGA win!!

#7 | POSTED BY REDIAL

A for effort will be Trump's legacy.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-17 11:45 PM | Reply

"I've asked for his forgiveness, btw, for punching John McCain in the eye."

Joking aside, let's keep in mind, Senator McCain's (very serious) blood clot was discovered during a routine doctor visit.

Anyone who utters "No one dies from lack of access to health care" doesn't know what they're talking about.

Routine doctor visits save lives.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 11:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

"No one with my kind of money dies from lack of access to health care" is what they mean.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Routine doctor visits save lives.

#22 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Does Ray agree?

A couple of years ago, my father-in-law was diagnosed with colon cancer that was discovered during a routinely-scheduled colonoscopy. Fortunately, it was non-malignant and a couple of horrible weeks in the hospital was all that was necessary.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 12:05 AM | Reply

"Does Ray agree?"

Ray not only disagrees, he'd also tell your dad 90% of cancers cure themselves.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 12:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@therealdonaldtrump

Republicans can't even repeal OCare. Sad! TrumpCare would cure all diseases and the avg life span would be 150 buh-lieve me! Medicare would be free and Medicaid... what's Medicaid, anyway? Spicey? Kelly?

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 12:20 AM | Reply

Now Congress should get together and fix it. It's the American thing to do, for once put aside partisanship and fix what's broken.

What's broken is that the black guy signed it into law.

They will fix that, by repealing without a replacement.

#27 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-18 07:37 AM | Reply

A couple of years ago, my father-in-law was diagnosed with colon cancer that was discovered during a routinely-scheduled colonoscopy. Fortunately, it was non-malignant and a couple of horrible weeks in the hospital was all that was necessary.

#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-18 12:05 AM | FLAG:

The Cruz amendment fixes that by allowing health insurance companies to offer insurance policies that really nothing more than the consumer paying them premiums and never getting any benefits. It would strip away essential services like colonoscopies and routine well visits. Ted Cruz is really a vile creature.

#28 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-18 07:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"really nothing more than the consumer paying them premiums and never getting any benefits."

really? no major medical coverage in that? major medical is not a "benefit"

"It would strip away essential services like colonoscopies and routine well visits"

If that's true (I'd like to see that established) then what are you concerned about? that a policy like this exists or that they are sold to folks who believe they are getting essential services when they aren't?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 09:20 AM | Reply

"They may move on to tax reform next."

I never use the right's misleading words like tax reform. It isn't reform at all, it's just another give away to the rich which will create another bubble which will pop and then we'll have another Great Recession.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-18 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If they can't repeal it or replace it, let it die on its own.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-07-18 10:25 AM | Reply

"If they can't repeal it or replace it, let it die on its own."

Rs aren't content with that. They're actively sabotaging it, left and right.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 10:33 AM | Reply

They're actively sabotaging it, left and right.

Because it isn't actually dying on its own? Maybe?

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-18 10:37 AM | Reply

I totally get that liberals and progressives were/are apprehensive about the GOP enacting its agenda given its control of congress and the WH.

Fortunately for all of you the GOP is thoroughly incompetent and is incapable of enacting much of anything regardless of how much power they wield.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 10:38 AM | Reply

"Because it isn't actually dying on its own? "

Stabilizing and thriving, actually. On pace to record profits.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 10:41 AM | Reply

That's the reason some of these GOPhers are running away... their jobs are in danger. Democracy at werk.

#16 | Posted by Corky

The republican solution is to thwart democracy, not please voters.

They're about to make it way harder for way more people to vote.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-18 10:45 AM | Reply

Fortunately for all of you the GOP is thoroughly incompetent and is incapable of enacting much of anything regardless of how much power they wield.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah if by "incompetent" you mean some of them have enough conscience left to not want to kill a bunch of poor people.

Don't worry, I'm sure their remaining ethics will be eradicated soon.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

McConnell and the GOP Senate majority are sure teaching Trump how things get done in Washington. Back to the drawing board you pompous d-bag.

#38 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2017-07-18 10:52 AM | Reply

"They're about to make it way harder for way more people to vote."

Et Al will be along shortly to tell you that is not happening. Usually JeffJ is right along with him.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-18 11:20 AM | Reply

So now the plan is to just do a straight repeal and pass a plan later?

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-18 11:25 AM | Reply

"So now the plan is to just do a straight repeal and pass a plan later?"

Well, there's a recipe for disaster.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 11:26 AM | Reply

The Senate's Plan C On Obamacare Repeal May Already Be Dead

Less than 24 hours after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) threw in the towel on his bill repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act and vowed to instead revive a 2015 bill to repeal the law without a replacement, two Republican senators said they would block that bill from coming to the floor for debate.

Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), whose states have large rural and low-income populations dependent on Medicaid, said they will vote against a motion to proceed.

"I did not come to Washington to hurt people," Capito wrote in a blistering statement. "I have serious concerns about how we continue to provide affordable care to those who have benefited from West Virginia's decision to expand Medicaid, especially in light of the growing opioid crisis."

"I cannot vote to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan," she concluded.

If one more senator joins Collins and Capito, the repeal-and-delay effort will meet the same swift fate as the last Senate Trumpcare bill: dead before it even receives a vote. As it stands, with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) at home recovering from surgery, Republicans do not have the votes to proceed.

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-18 11:31 AM | Reply

The plan of doing a straight repeal and passing a plan later is something that will appeal to the gullible, Anyone with any sophistication knows that a repeal now will almost certainly never be followed up with a replacement plan later. McConnell knows it. The right wing knows it. Fortunately, most Americans know it as well.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-18 11:32 AM | Reply

"So now the plan is to just do a straight repeal and pass a plan later?"
Well, there's a recipe for disaster.

#41 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

...and this wasn't?

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-18 11:34 AM | Reply

"...and this wasn't?"

Maybe I should've said "an even bigger disaster". It's gonna be Yuuuuuuuuuuge.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#39- Danni

I just saw a blurb that people are unregistering to vote because they don't want Trump and them to get their info. Scary if true, haven't had a chance to look further.

I actually watched Pence give his healthcare pep talk a little while ago. Startling how dead his eyes are, no matter what expression he's planted on his face.

#46 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-18 11:38 AM | Reply

Pence reminds me of an evil Muppet.





Or the grandfather on King of the Hill, who "killed fitty men"

#47 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-07-18 12:03 PM | Reply

Republicans aren't really going to repeal a Republican idea. They don't have any others.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 12:17 PM | Reply

Republicans aren't really going to repeal a Republican idea. They don't have any others.

#48 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

That won't stop them.

#49 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-18 12:19 PM | Reply

"In a series of tweets, Trump blamed the demise of a months-long effort to rewrite the Affordable Care Act on Democrats "and a few Republicans," but he suggested that the drive to overhaul the law was not completely over.

"We were let down by all of the Democrats and a few Republicans. Most Republicans were loyal, terrific & worked really hard. We will return!" he tweeted. He added in a separate tweet:

"As I have always said, let ObamaCare fail and then come together and do a great healthcare plan. Stay tuned!"

www.washingtonpost.com

What a bloodthirsty crew.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 12:26 PM | Reply

"Senate Republicans' new plan to repeal Obamacare threatens even more widespread disruptions to Americans' healthcare

Unable to advance legislation to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, Senate Republicans now are looking at an alternative that would cause even more widespread disruption to the nation's healthcare system and throw millions more Americans off the insurance rolls.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's bid to salvage the GOP's Obamacare campaign by voting on a bill that would repeal only major parts of the current law without a replacement has won the endorsement of President Trump and some conservative lawmakers.

But it was quickly losing support Tuesday morning among key Republican senators, including Maine Sen. Susan Collins and West Virginia Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, both of whom said they would not back such an approach.

An independent analysis of the "repeal-and-delay" approach by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office earlier this year concluded it would lead to 32 million more uninsured Americans over the next decade.

At the same time, repealing major planks of Obamacare without a replacement would cause insurance premiums to spike by 20% to 25% next year for Americans who rely on insurance marketplaces, budget analysts concluded.

And premiums would double by 2026, according to the report.

www.latimes.com

Well, that seems fair if the GOP is seen by their Base to be doing something, anything, right?

Problem is that OCare is more popular with Americans 2-1 over Tdon'Care.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 12:30 PM | Reply

That won't stop them.

#49 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-07-18 12:19 PM | FLAG:

It already has.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 12:46 PM | Reply

The way Trumpublicans see it is that they just lost nearly a billion dollars in tax cuts for Andrea, er, I mean their wealthy donor base, not the poor proxy voters..... and they will need to make that up in the absurdly regressive Magic Growth Deficit Expanding Tax Bill they will now try to pass.

Here's a description of the kind of economy we really need, from another thread post, an economy like we had after the last world war:

"Government programs of bonds and education, labor unions, full employment in war devastated countries, fair progressive taxation, a growing middle class rather than the shrinking one that has occurred since top rates were lowered...."

www.drudge.com

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 12:58 PM | Reply

"So now the plan is to just do a straight repeal and pass a plan later?"
Well, there's a recipe for disaster.
#41 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Three GOP senators have already come out against straight repeal. That's dead too. Yurtle the Turtle is the most ineffective senate majority leader ever.

"Less than 24 hours after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) threw in the towel on his bill repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act and vowed to instead revive a 2015 bill to repeal the law without a replacement, three Republican senators said they would block that bill from coming to the floor for debate.

Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), whose states all have large rural and low-income populations dependent on Medicaid, said they will vote against a motion to proceed.

"I did not come to Washington to hurt people," Capito wrote in a blistering statement. "I have serious concerns about how we continue to provide affordable care to those who have benefited from West Virginia's decision to expand Medicaid, especially in light of the growing opioid crisis.""

talkingpointsmemo.com

#54 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-18 12:59 PM | Reply

HARDY HAR!

The "conservative" mutts have caught the car they were chasing and now its threatening to run them over!
Teehee.

And look at all the rhetorical gymnastics the usual's are doing now!
It couldn't happen to a more "principled" bunch of hypocrites!
Will todays fake "republican" ever learn? Unlikely!

delicious

#55 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-07-18 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You happy now, Republicans? You nominated an incompetent ---- with a cable-news fixation and a dead rat where his heart should be and you used him to try to exact revenge on "0bummer," without actually having a reasonable plan to improve healthcare or access thereto. Now look. Your big tax cut disguised as healthcare is going nowhere, and now your last-ditch "just repeal the damn thing" tactic looks doomed as well.

Look in the mirror. Take a deep breath. Think about what you're supposed to be doing in Washington, about what the purpose of healthcare reform should be. Hint: It's not about preventing people from getting it.

#56 | Posted by cbob at 2017-07-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans aren't really going to repeal a Republican idea. They don't have any others.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Republican ideas become unacceptable to republicans when they're enacted by a black guy.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-18 01:41 PM | Reply

‘Plan C' on Obamacare, Repeal Now and Replace Later, Has Collapsed

www.nytimes.com

Turn out the lights, the party's over.....

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 01:59 PM | Reply

Republican ideas become unacceptable to republicans when they're enacted by a black guy.

#57 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2017-07-18 01:41 PM | REPLY

It was unacceptable to Republicans before Obama was losing the DNC popular vote to Hillary.

#59 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 02:02 PM | Reply

"It was unacceptable to Republicans"

No it wasn't; historically, the core of Obamacare WAS a Republican idea. It was simply going to be sold on the notion of --wait for it-- personal responsibility.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 02:15 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2017-07-18 02:15 PM | REPLY

It became unacceptable the moment Hillary pitched it, which was well before Obama battled the Clintons, contrary to Speak trying to link it to racism.

#61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 02:19 PM | Reply

"It became unacceptable the moment Hillary pitched it"

Ain't that the truth.

Back during Hillarycare, I was my city's rep for the stage actors. At a national meeting in NY, two of our representatives had just returned from a meeting in DC with Ira Magaziner (Hillary's point man) and had three-sentence summary:

"We learned two very important things during our meeting. First, single payer is absolutely, positively, the best way to go. Second, there is no way in hell that will ever happen."

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 02:27 PM | Reply

"contrary to Speak trying to link it to racism."

Well, maybe he's thinking about how, at one point, 32% of Rs approved of The Affordable Care Act, while only 16% approved of Obamacare.

I say "at one point", because I believe today both numbers are higher, and closer together.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 02:30 PM | Reply

Trump is SERIOUSLY disappointed!

check our Bobble-Head Pence, lol

news.google.com

"Just let ObamaCare fail and we won't be blamed, I guarantee it!"

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 02:39 PM | Reply

Turn out the lights, the party's over.....

#58 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2017-07-18 01:59 PM

I wish that was the case, but having seen Ryan's new budget I think that the GOP is going to let this die, my guess is that they are going to try to squeeze the ACA from a funding standpoint and then resurrect this POS in the guise of "hey, we already defunded Medicare, we now need to fix the mess we created, you have no other choice."

#65 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-07-18 03:07 PM | Reply

Well, maybe he's thinking about how, at one point, 32% of Rs approved of The Affordable Care Act, while only 16% approved of Obamacare.
I say "at one point", because I believe today both numbers are higher, and closer together.

#63 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2017-07-18 02:30 PM | FLAG:

Poll it as ACA vs HillaryCare and let me know how it works out for you.

#66 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#65

I think both the repeal and the replace is over for this year, and Ryan's Budget is DOA in the Sen even with a rwing majority.

If they don' win something soon, though, Trump may support a new Speaker. Bannon would love that, anyway.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-18 03:21 PM | Reply

The root problem of the healthcare system is that there is profit attached to the treatment and care of human life. Make all hospitals not-for-profit with all routine checkups and treatments paid for via taxpayers. As medical tech advances the base services would increase but set boundaries for end of life care. Allow people to purchase insurance ONLY for additional EOL care and experemental services. Fund R&D through a not-for-profit research center, grants for cancer research, leukemia treatments, etc., and cut out the "waste, fraud, and abuse", that is...insurance companies. Basic medical services, just like police and and fire protection, should become a part of an advanced societies basic provisions.

#68 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-07-18 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And while we are at it, keep as cutting edge as possible with equipment, treatment etc.. Give our old equipment to developing nations or sell it to other advanced countries. Create a tiered system where select hospitals, central to the state's population hubs, receive all the latest tech and as it's proven and implementation plans can be created, roll out to the burbs and rural communities based on cost of equipment production, not R&D recuperation plus profits. Make medical spending a percentage of GDP collected via taxes which would replace a part of FICA. Let philanthropic billionaires donate their millions to research facilities.

Nobody is saying it is going to be tax neutral. But we already pay billions a year to the medical sector and insurance companies infrastructure. And don't give me the 4% profit margin bull-kkaki, there are more than a few billion on those balance sheets that if orchestrated as a non-profit and state/fed monitored program would suddenly appear on the ledger.

#69 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-07-18 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My biggest fear is seeing the leeches attached to the MID latching onto the medical system. You'd have to state that all companies supplying services to the state/fed run system be non-profits as well. And then there is the issue of the federal government being in control, you'd want some decentralization, just like we do our power grid. Consolidation of power corrupts...just look at Congress. You'd have to maybe setup a fourth branch of government who can tell the central government to talk a long walk off a short pier and who's only responsibility is to keep EOL, experemential, and basic services boundaries clearly defined. No Congress voting on adding and subtracting services. Do it. And do it now.

#70 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-07-18 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Experimental.

#71 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-07-18 05:01 PM | Reply

I, for one, am happy for all of you that get to keep your obamacare. Best of wishes.

#72 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-07-18 07:12 PM | Reply

"I, for one, am happy for all of you that get to keep your obamacare."

And who is your provider? The government?

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 07:19 PM | Reply

45 counties will have no ACA provider by 2018 and 45% of counties will have exactly one available provider by 2018. Republicans should have learned from the "first we'll pass it then we'll read it" experiment the Dems foisted on the country. ACA is certainly on an unhealthy trajectory. www.nytimes.com

#74 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2017-07-18 09:39 PM | Reply

ACA is certainly on an unhealthy trajectory. www.nytimes.com

#74 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

Yes, it is. But some on the left will ferociously defend it, no matter what, because the black guy signed it into law.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 09:42 PM | Reply

75

and accuse anybody not left of Corky of being a racist for daring to question any provision of ACA.

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, it is. But some on the left will ferociously defend it, no matter what, because the black guy signed it into law.

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 09:42 PM | Reply

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the reason the Right abhors it. Because a black guy is the one who got their idea passed after 40 plus years of trying.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-18 09:48 PM | Reply

Yes, it is. But some on the left will ferociously defend it, no matter what, because the black guy signed it into law.
Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 09:42 PM | Reply
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the reason the Right abhors it. Because a black guy is the one who got their idea passed after 40 plus years of trying.

#77 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

So, which is worse?

Reflexively supporting it because black guy, or reflexively opposing it because black guy?

Maybe it's possible that both support and opposition are principled and have nothing to do with black guy. I know, I know, crazy talk.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 09:52 PM | Reply

"Reflexively supporting it because black guy, or reflexively opposing it because black guy? "

Well, 32% of Rs supported The Affordable Care Act, while 16% of Rs supported Obamacare.

You Make The Call.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, which is worse?

Without a doubt it's supporting the plan that takes health care away from people.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-18 09:58 PM | Reply

79

I've been saying my whole life.....it's all in the packaging.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 09:59 PM | Reply

#79

Like Sitz said, replace "Obamacare" with "Hillarycare" and chart the non-existent difference. Also, our government has a knack for giving bills wonderful-sounding names - how could an ignorant person oppose the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act"?

More than 50% of polled Democrats believe Russia actually hacked our election. Think about that. Ignorance and stupid partisanship abounds on both sides of the political aisle.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 10:01 PM | Reply

"More than 50% of polled Democrats believe Russia actually hacked our election"

most of the partisan democrats here actually wish Russia actually hacked our election just so they can run Trump out of here.

I'm just as opposed to Trump as any of them......but I'm serious.....they do wish that.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 10:06 PM | Reply

"I'm just as opposed to Trump as any of them"

Then which reason would you prefer?

Russia? Money laundering? General incompetence?

Pathological Lying?

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 10:10 PM | Reply

More than 50% of polled Democrats believe Russia actually hacked our election. Think about that. Ignorance and stupid partisanship abounds on both sides of the political aisle.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ

theintercept.com

the question you should be asking is why information like this has to be leaked instead of shared with the American people? We have no idea what specifically Russia did and I believe we are entitled to know all of it.

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-18 10:12 PM | Reply

84

reason?

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 10:12 PM | Reply

"reason?"

Did you mean Treason?

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 10:14 PM | Reply

Like Sitz said, replace "Obamacare" with "Hillarycare" and chart the non-existent difference. Also, our government has a knack for giving bills wonderful-sounding names - how could an ignorant person oppose the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act"?

In that case, instead of the AHCA, the GOP should have called it the MAGA-HCA.

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-18 10:18 PM | Reply

"More than 50% of polled Democrats believe Russia actually hacked our election."

They did hack our election as in hacked into state voter databases.

"We have no idea what specifically Russia did and I believe we are entitled to know all of it."

Yes.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-18 10:21 PM | Reply

"Like Sitz said, replace "Obamacare" with "Hillarycare" and chart the non-existent difference. "

"HillaryCare" didn't have an alternative name to poll.

I guess no one has any idea why twice as many Rs approved of the ACA, vs Obamacare.

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 10:38 PM | Reply

45 counties will have no ACA provider by 2018 and 45% of counties will have exactly one available provider by 2018. Republicans should have learned from the "first we'll pass it then we'll read it" experiment the Dems foisted on the country. ACA is certainly on an unhealthy trajectory. www.nytimes.com
#74 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2017-07-18 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag

On the Last Word, Steve Brill said the question that should be asked is: How many were there before Obamacare? I myself don't know, but he said the answer is zero.

If that's the case, then repealing Obamacare and going back to the way things were won't help those people. Fixing Obamacare will.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-18 11:26 PM | Reply

I guess no one has any idea why twice as many Rs approved of the ACA, vs Obamacare.

#90 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You act as if this is racial.

Let's see....'Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act' vs. 'Obamacare'.

How do you think 'Medicare Part D' would have polled among Democrats vs. "Bushcare'?

Again, like Sitz said (and it's a point I have made in the past), Hillarycare polled horribly among Republicans. Was that racial too?

#92 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 11:39 PM | Reply

How do you think 'Medicare Part D' would have polled among Democrats vs. "Bushcare'?

It was Democrats that saved Medicare Part D for Dubya so that eviscerates THAT talking point

Again, like Sitz said (and it's a point I have made in the past), Hillarycare polled horribly among Republicans. Was that racial too?

Non Sequitter Race wasn't involved then

Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-18 11:39 PM | Reply

#93 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-18 11:46 PM | Reply

"like Sitz said (and it's a point I have made in the past), Hillarycare polled horribly among Republicans. Was that racial too?"

Why dance around the salient fact? H'Care had no second name to poll.

O'Care also had the ACA, meaning when they took the Black Dem out, approval doubled among Rs.

You're right...some of it might just have been the letter after the name. Some though--you'll have to admit--was racial.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 11:49 PM | Reply

Again, like Sitz said (and it's a point I have made in the past), Hillarycare polled horribly among Republicans. Was that racial too?

No, misogynist. ;) ClintonCare would have fared much better.

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-18 11:53 PM | Reply

"You act as if this is racial."

Let's act as if it's not racial.
Since you're so sure it's not a racial thing, you must know what it is. So what is it?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 11:54 PM | Reply

Let's see...

"Affordable Care Act"

Ooh, I'm for that!

vs.

"Obamacare"

Argh, I'm against that!

What changed?

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-19 12:00 AM | Reply

"You're right...some of it might just have been the letter after the name. Some though--you'll have to admit--was racial."

I think a lot of it has to do with the D after the name when it comes to Obamacare. I say that because I remember seeing a Republican at a town hall, whose life had been saved by Obamacare, say just that. He said he had been totally against Obamacare, until he needed it. When he was asked why he had opposed the ACA, he said because he had believed: Republican=good, and Democrat=bad. Simple as that.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-19 12:01 AM | Reply

"I think a lot of it has to do with the D after the name when it comes to Obamacare."

But twice as many approved when it was called the ACA. What letter was after that one?

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-19 12:03 AM | Reply

"But twice as many approved when it was called the ACA. What letter was after that one?"

I don't know. I also remember a Trump voter in KY who told her clinic worker she was so glad she had insurance under KY's version of the ACA and not Obamacare. The clinic worker gently pointed out to her that she did have Obamacare because they were one in the same. To which the woman replied, "Well, let's not tell anyone." It seemed like she was ashamed to have Obamacare. Could be racial. I don't know.

#100 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-19 12:11 AM | Reply

Mitch McConnell Hospitalized with Low White-Vote Count

"If Mitch McConnell's white-vote count falls below fifty and stays there for an extended period of time, he cannot survive," his doctor said.

#101 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2017-07-19 11:06 AM | Reply

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