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A "biological annihilation" of wildlife in recent decades means a sixth mass extinction in Earth's history is under way and is more severe than previously feared, according to research. Scientists analysed both common and rare species and found billions of regional or local populations have been lost. They blame human overpopulation and overconsumption for the crisis and warn that it threatens the survival of human civilization, with just a short window of time in which to act. The study, published in the peer-reviewed journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, eschews the normally sober tone of scientific papers and calls the massive loss of wildlife a "biological annihilation" that represents a "frightening assault on the foundations of human civilization."

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So what. When does football start again?

-average dumbass 'Murican!

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-16 04:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

It's been going on for a long time but picking up pace in the past couple decades. The oceans are really starting to suffer and when those extinctions hit home it will be too late. I am with JPW. The average American thinks nothing of it. I can't tell you how many times I have heard something like "It's just a butterfly" or some such. They are all indicators of the health of nature in that area. What is so ironic is so many of these species carry secrets that we can unlock for our own futures. It should be a priority to save species.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-07-16 04:42 PM | Reply

Mother Nature isn't amused at us, from "biological annihilation" to ecological pollution, and shows it in various ways....

www.smithsonianmag.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-16 04:46 PM | Reply

"You simply have to be insane to think that you can just continue to grow forever on a
finite planet"

-Paul Ehrlich, 2013

#4 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-07-16 04:56 PM | Reply

Were these white scientists ..

They are known for thier system of oppression.

Why these professors are warning against promoting the work of straight, white men

Academics and scholars must be mindful about using research done by only straight, white men, according to two scientists who argued that it oppresses diverse voices and bolsters the status of already privileged and established white male scholars.
www.washingtonpost.com

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-16 04:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So what. When does football start again?
-average dumbass 'Murican!

#1 | POSTED BY JPW

What's he supposed to do?

Demographically they are not the ones reproducing, it's the immigrants which is keeping our growth rate increasing.

Yet here we are ....

With border open , when are you going to care?

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-16 05:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris

What's your point, that we can ignore the destruction of the natural world if the scientists reporting on it are white?

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-16 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Immigrants Are Keeping America Young -- And The Economy Growing

fivethirtyeight.com

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

www.forbes.com

Mackris... born under a, "Stupid Spoken Here!" sign.

Not sure what her post had to do with the thread topic, but on topic, Donald Trump Jr. is a one man "biological annihilation" machine.

www.google.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-16 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#5 FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY NULLIFIDIAN

Those rwingers gotta stick together.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-16 05:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#6 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

First off, the primary author of the paper is Dr. Gerardo Ceballos, a latino, born in Mexico. He is a Senior Researcher at the Instituto de Ecología de la Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México. He's not a white dude.

Secondly, as is stated in the excerpt at the top of the board, and in The Guardian piece, and in the abstract to the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the problem is BOTH overpopulation and overconsumption.

In 2014, the Indian per capita energy consumption was 806 kWh
In 2014, The US per capita energy consumption was 12,987 kWh

For reference, the OECD average per capita consumption was 7,995 kWh

data.worldbank.org

So, even with a 2014 population over 4 times greater than the United States (1.3 billion v 320 million), it was the United States which used more energy (approximately 4 times more energy).

The notion that the developed world in general, and the United States in particular can't do better is wrong-headed in the extreme.

From the study: Much less frequently mentioned are, however, the ultimate drivers of those immediate causes of biotic destruction, namely, human overpopulation and continued population growth, and overconsumption, especially by the rich.

Read the study. It's available. It's not long. It's well researched and the peer review team is a couple of luminaries in their field (Thomas E. Lovejoy and Peter H. Raven)

www.pnas.org

#10 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-07-16 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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BS more of this anti civilization nonsense.

Kind of goes against all the species that are doing so well they have been removed from the endangered species list.

We are having no mass extension and we dont have a over population.

I know the Zero Population growth ZPG groups must have paid for this nonsense study.

#11 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-07-16 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If people can't understand this, they certainly won't accept the second phase; the coming of super-predatory animals, baterium and viruses.

#12 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-07-17 08:49 AM | Reply

If people can't understand this, they certainly won't accept the second phase; the coming of super-predatory animals, baterium and viruses.

#13 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-07-17 08:51 AM | Reply

We are having no mass extension
#11 | Posted by tmaster

Once again, a conservative morons claims to know more than thousands of experts, without any support for his moronic argument.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"With border open , when are you going to care?"

This is a call to close the border, right?

If not then please explain what it is.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 11:27 AM | Reply

Anyway, always refreshing to hear Mackris Blame America First.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 11:40 AM | Reply

Mackris isn't blaming America,

Liberals and their stupid ass immigration policies are what's being blamed..

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2017-07-17 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Liberals and their stupid ass immigration policies are what's being blamed..

#17 | Posted by boaz

Liberals and immigration are causing mass extinction?

Yeah. Liberals put the skidmarks in your underwear too I'm sure.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 11:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

"Anyway, always refreshing to hear Mackris Blame America First."

I think the first post in the thread does that pretty well.

but you ignored that one, I suppose.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-17 12:06 PM | Reply

I think the first post in the thread does that pretty well.

but you ignored that one, I suppose.

#19 | Posted by eberly

That post doesnt blame america. It mocks american apathy.

Not surprising you couldn't tell the difference.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"american apathy"

Who cares?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Eberly, do you blame American immigration policy for mass extinction too?

If not... then what exactly are you doing with your comments here?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 12:14 PM | Reply

"That post doesnt blame America"

It blames Americans.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-17 12:16 PM | Reply

It really is unclear if you humanity, with it's current huge population, can survive on the current trajectory. Many of the greatest minds in the world do not think so. A horrific, nightmarish 'culling' may be awaiting our species. The type which if we survive at all, we will survive with a grossly reduced world population.

Technology can only save us up to a certain point. And, if the planet is dying, our weapons will not save us at all. So stock up on all the guns and ammo you want. If the animals the forest all die, and food will not grow from the ground, your guns will help you not at all.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-17 12:17 PM | Reply

"Eberly, do you blame American immigration policy for mass extinction too?"

no. I blame you for selective outrage.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-17 12:18 PM | Reply

--t really is unclear if you humanity, with it's current huge population, can survive on the current trajectory.

Just don't advocate zero population growth, unless you want to be called a racist by the usual suspects.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-07-17 12:31 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY TMASTER

See post #1.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-17 12:41 PM | Reply

That post doesnt blame america. It mocks american apathy.
Not surprising you couldn't tell the difference.

#20 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It also mocks the marginally better than brain dead mentality of the largest consumer of resources on the planet.

Americans are greedy, self-absorbed gluttons with zero concern for the ramifications of such a lifestyle, so long as it's cheap and doesn't force them to think or even close their mouths while they breathe.

A symptom of that is turning this into an anti-immigration thread. It's a twofer for Mackris, he gets to pass the buck on his gluttonous ways while getting a shot in on his favorite whipping boy.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-17 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It blames Americans.

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Do you feel like you need a safe space?

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-17 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I blame you for selective outrage."

And yet you don't blame Mackris for perpetually selecting to be outraged over immigration.

So, this is about you... and me.

What's eating you, Ebs?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 12:50 PM | Reply

What's he supposed to do?
Demographically they are not the ones reproducing,

They are the ones largely consuming, both energy and material goods.

This is a two part problem as stated in the article. You did read the article, didn't you?

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-17 12:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Just don't advocate zero population growth, unless you want to be called a racist by the usual suspects."

I advocate zero population growth by spreading the wealth around, because as household wealth goes up, birth rate goes down.

As has been mentioned, American population relies on immigration for growth.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Do you feel like you need a safe space?"

LOL....I don't have a problem with what you posted. I only slapped Snoofy for ignoring it for what it is and for what you agree it is.

"And yet you don't blame Mackris for perpetually selecting to be outraged over immigration."

No, I cried about neither of their posts. You cried about one.

you were chastised for selective outrage. get over it, snowflake.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-17 01:04 PM | Reply

Zatoichi was correct.

#34 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-07-17 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I only slapped Snoofy for ignoring it for what it is"

Huh?

It's anti immigration for the sake of being anti immigration.

What part did I ignore?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 01:20 PM | Reply

more junk science from these environmentalist. They are the fruit cakes from the ZPG movement they want America to stop all progress and bring civilization to a stop and run it backward so the important can rule over us.

This save movement has made many predictions in the past all proven untrue.

These nuts are not even counting species on the endangered species list they are claiming animals that are not even on the list. iTS ALL CRAP.

#36 | Posted by tmaster at 2017-07-17 02:42 PM | Reply

These nuts are not even counting species on the endangered species list they are claiming animals that are not even on the list. iTS ALL CRAP.

#36 | Posted by tmaster

Yeah a fox news watching moronic trump supporter definitely knows more about species extinction than thousands of trained experts.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

----------Demographically they are not the ones reproducing, it's the immigrants which is keeping our growth rate increasing.
----------Yet here we are ....
----------With border open , when are you going to care?
----------
----------#6 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2017-07-16 05:07 PM

Blame the immigrants for global warming.... That is a new one, even here on Drudge Retort...

#38 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-07-17 05:32 PM | Reply

Fake news. The animals are just on vacation!

-DR Conservatives

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-18 12:20 PM | Reply

"You simply have to be insane to think that you can just continue to grow forever on a
finite planet"
-Paul Ehrlich, 2013

#4 | POSTED BY WORLDASIFINDIT AT 2017-07-16 04:56 PM | FLAG:

More fun with Ehrlich:

"By 1985 enough millions will have died to reduce the earth's population to some acceptable level, like 1.5 billion people."

"In ten years [i.e., 1980] all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish."

"I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

then realizing he can't predict things, and if he did, he'd be rich:

"So, regarding the time frame, I'm only too willing to admit that my crystal ball, like everybody else's, is cracked. If I could predict precisely, I would have started predicting the stock market and would now be living with a bunch of young women on Bora Bora, having bought it."

but...

"Actually, the problem in the world is that there are too many rich people."

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-18 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Totally true. Scientists make mistakes. The nice thing about science is, though, that the collective scientific community moves forward. Theories are proved or disproved, and in either case, theories are continually reevaluated for merit.

In the earlier iterations of the Theory of Relativity, Einstein (who was operating under the false understanding that the universe was of a static size) created a fixed number (the Cosmological Constant) in order to get the math to work. With input from the scientific community, the constant was removed, and the theory continue to evolve and move forward (and continues to inform).

When we jettison all science because there's been a mistake, we end up believing that the world is 6,000 years old and that climate change is a hoax perpetrated and promulgated by the Chinese.

This study was well researched. It used data collected in the field by an experienced, multi-national team, and it was reviewed by experts before being published in a respected academic journal. It wasn't a blithe comment on voter fraud via twitter.

If the study is wrong, it's wrong. Being right or wrong won't be a matter of opinion, it will be a matter of fact.

On these fronts: acknowledging and learning from past mistakes, moving forward collectively, and using rigorous methods of data collection to prove or disprove hypotheses, I'll take science over politics and/or religion any day.

#41 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-07-18 06:09 PM | Reply

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