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Monday, July 17, 2017

Senate Republicans are having a tough time agreeing on a plan to replace the Affordable Care Act. For some senators, there's at least one big red flag in the proposed bill: Out-of-pocket costs for most people in the individual marketplace would skyrocket. The bill's subsidies are less generous than Obamacare's, so even though the average premium is expected to fall beginning in 2020 under the plan, most people would have to pay more to maintain the same level of coverage. Out-of-pocket premiums for people on mid-level plans would be 74 percent higher on average, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

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In several states represented by a Republican senator, including Alaska, West Virginia and Louisiana, the average premium after tax credits for a mid-level plan would more than double.

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Hey thanks Republicans, everyone in America wants to pay more for healthcare expenses. Yay! And with the Alaskan bailout we just want them to increase enough to qualify our states to get the same bailout. High premiums Yay! High co-pays Yay!
Republican lawmakers working for you and me every day!

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-16 12:20 PM | Reply

I'm sure that increased out of pocket expenses are no big deal for any Trump supporter.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-16 12:54 PM | Reply

I am going to pass a beautiful healthcare package that will cover everyone and will cost much much less.

- Sideshow Don.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-17 08:06 AM | Reply

"even though the average premium is expected to fall beginning in 2020 under the plan"

Predicated, of course, on the concept McInsurance will be plentifully available.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 12:41 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, health care insurers are poised to record their best profits ever.

Why? 5-8% increases in costs became 20% raises in premiums, to cover for the Trump administrations' purposely throwing uncertainty into the mix.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-17 12:44 PM | Reply

At least it isn't Obamacare.

-DR Conservatives

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-17 06:37 PM | Reply

So much winning!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-17 06:39 PM | Reply

And you'll once again be able to buy fake insurance that drops you when you get sick.

And pre existing conditions will be extremely expensive.

Some trump supporters are literally going to die because of their stupidity. Too bad their stupidity affects the rest of us.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More than 1,300 counties only have one insurer in their exchanges, meaning there is no competition. But this is a problem created by the Republicans, largely confined to red states.
Where Republican governors have sought to sabotage the program, they have largely succeeded. Where Democratic governors have tried to make the ACA work, they too have largely succeeded.
In states with Republican governors, more than 40 million people live in counties with only one insurer. In states with Democratic governors, there are 10.7 million people who live in such counties.
The difference is far more dramatic if we exclude North Carolina where the Legislature is overwhelmingly Republican. Excluding North Carolina, only 2.1 million people in Democratic states live in counties without competition.

There are two main ways Republicans have sabotaged Obamacare in their states. The first by refusing to expand Medicaid. Republicans who refused to expand Medicare have a sicker customer base under Obamacare, which increases premiums.
The other issue is the extent to which states took the initiative to promote Obamacare. Democratic governors generally tried to persuade people to buy insurance, while Republican governors were more often neutral, if not openly hostile, to the program. As a result, fewer healthy people bought into the exchanges in their states, making the system less profitable for insurers. Republicans have also been less cooperative with insurance companies.
Because Republicans have been successful at keeping many of their residents from getting insurance, they think the country should trust them to overhaul the ACA. (Economist Dean Baker)

#9 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-07-17 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

premiums went through the roof with Obamacare and the deductibles have risen so high that insured cannot even ACCESS their supposed coverage.

#10 | Posted by wtbyan2 at 2017-07-18 12:08 PM | Reply

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premiums went through the roof with Obamacare and the deductibles have risen so high that insured cannot even ACCESS their supposed coverage.

#11 | Posted by wtbyan2 at 2017-07-18 12:08 PM | Reply

#10- Primarily in Republican States, who are determined to prevent any association by the voting public between improved health outcomes and the Democrats. Of course these same slime want excellent health care for themselves, at public expense, so the Republican bill exempts Congress from all their new provisions which they are attempting to lay on the public.

#12 | Posted by bayviking at 2017-07-18 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interestingl article in the LA Times today.

It appears Medi-Cal participants are having access issues due to low reimbursement rates and it's been exasperated by the ACA's Medi-Caid expansion.

Where did we hear about this before?

Now Medi-Cal is being sued due to these lower rates and the plaintiffs are demanding higher reimbursement rates for better access which will drive up costs for all.

HHHmmmmm, sounds familiar?

And of course #5 is nothing more than a talking point as all funding is guaranteed till 2020.

Premiums are raising because ACA guaranteed premium and coinsurance subsidy payments in the Exchange so the increases are passed on to taxpayers, not the insured, unless you own a Private Plan, then You get to pay higher premiums. Its money sitting on the table.

#13 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 04:37 PM | Reply

"Now Medi-Cal is being sued due to these lower rates and the plaintiffs are..."

Plaintiffs are claiming racial discrimination since there are more Hispanics on MediCal than in the overall CA population.

You think MediCal is a racist program too?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 04:43 PM | Reply

No, money is green. They want more green.

Racism is what liberals taught them to use as an argument. Medi-Cal is an income based program, why didn't they say "Poor People?" That encompassed all poor people, not just latin immigrants.

It will raise cost for everyone. This is what ACA brought. The destruction of the individual insurance marketplace. Its a poison pill.

#15 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 04:52 PM | Reply

"Racism is what liberals taught them to use as an argument"

Oh. What did conservatives teach them to fight for, was it money?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 04:57 PM | Reply

Do you think this argument is based on income or race?

There is your answer.

#17 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 05:00 PM | Reply

"The destruction of the individual insurance marketplace"

Sure, Obama destroyed it by legislating it into existence.

Remind me, was it up to the states to create the market? How many GOP states did so?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 05:02 PM | Reply

"Do you think this argument is based on income or race?"

It's based on lower than average reimbursement rates that disproportionately affect Hispanics.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 05:05 PM | Reply

"I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

"people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything."

"We're going to take care of them. We're going to take care of them. We have to take care of them. Now, that's not single payer. That's not anything. That's just human decency."

"You will end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that will take place immediately after we go in. Immediately! Fast! Quick!"

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

"I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid"

"We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance."

"I am going to take care of everybody ... Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now." More recently, Trump has promised that repeal will end with "a beautiful picture."

That "beautiful picture" turned out to be the Republicans riding off into the sunset with their tails between their legs.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-18 05:10 PM | Reply

No, it was up to the Feds with states given the option.

Obama did not create the individual marketplace.

ACA is Medicaid expansion that uses ratepayers dollars to hide the increases. That's why the mandate was considered a tax even though ratepayers were on the hook to a Private company and not the IRS. The IRS should not be collecting premiums for private insurance companies.

#21 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 05:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy- I knew you would respond like that.

It's only about income. It's an income based program, not race based. It appears you like to race bait like all democrats.

1 in 3 Californians are now enrolled in Medi-Cal which means funds need to be spread-out to accommodate growth. How is race a part of that picture. There are only so much money you can throw at this issue.

#22 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 05:21 PM | Reply

Income isn't the issue.

It's lower than average reimbursement rates that disproportionately affect Hispanics.

Income is only tangentially related as MediCal has income based eligibility.

You've yet to say if you think the lawsuit raises a legitimate grievance. Still thinking it over? Why'd you even bring it up???

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 05:24 PM | Reply

"It appears you like to race bait like all democrats"

Um, I'm not the one who filed the lawsuit.

Just the one who explained it to your fool aas. That was race baiting? LOL.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 05:28 PM | Reply

"Sure, Obama destroyed it by legislating it into existence."

I don't know that it's "destroyed" but it certainly has it's challenges. Carriers that used to offer individual policies don't know.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 05:38 PM | Reply

Snoofy, it affects 100% of those
Enrolled in Medi-Cal regardless of race and unless you qualify income-wise it does not affect you at all.

It is an income based issue. Who is going to pay and it's not those complaining

It is not a grievance for the court to decide. It is a political and financial grievance and they need to take it up with people who set the reimbursement rates, which currently are the Democrats. I'm sure MALDEF knows this to be true.

That's why they are playing the race card, to have people like you assume white racism is the cause.

Take it up with the Democrats. They are in charge, they set the rates.

#26 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 05:39 PM | Reply

"Carriers that used to offer individual policies don't know."

Carriers have always had the freedom to chase winners and shun losers. Obamacare didn't change that.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:18 PM | Reply

How do they shun losers with guarateed issue?

#28 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:21 PM | Reply

"That's why they are playing the race card, to have people like you assume white racism is the cause."

Where did I say (white?) racism is the cause?

Poverty correlates well with not being white.
Poverty correlates well with being on MediCal.
Causation doesn't enter into it.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:21 PM | Reply

You stated this affects Latinos. I tried to correct you and say it affects the poor, then you doubled down on Latino.

Go reread your posts?

Are you now saying Caucasians don't suffer from poverty Also?

That alone is racist.

#30 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:27 PM | Reply

"How do they shun losers with guarateed issue?"

By leaving the market entirely.

Did you sleep through Aetna selectively leaving markets, falsely blaming Obamacare, then citing their own lies to justify a merger with Humana? I guess you did.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:30 PM | Reply

"Are you now saying Caucasians don't suffer from poverty Also?
That alone is racist."

I said that?

Yoy just jump right through that race hoop every time, dontcha? Attaboy!

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:35 PM | Reply

So now you are calling entire States losers because Aetna won't sell their overpriced product there? They do have high reimbursement rates though.

You sure you want to continue this nonsense?

#33 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:36 PM | Reply

#29- "Poverty correlates well with not being white."

Your right,

I have no idea where that came from?

Watch me jump through that hoop...

#34 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:40 PM | Reply

"So now you are calling entire States losers because Aetna won't sell their overpriced product there?"

Yes, from the Aetna bean counter perspective, the individual market is a losing proposition. A market comprised of more losers that winners.

Even Trump said there are some people who would never get a market based solution. Do you disagree with Trump, lol!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:42 PM | Reply

#34 Are you denying the correlation between race and poverty, or calling me racist for noticing it, or both?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:44 PM | Reply

"You stated this affects Latinos"

I stated that the lawsuit states that this affects Latinos.

You brought up the lawsuit but apparently didn't know that...

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:49 PM | Reply

So you agree markets are self correcting since you side with Aetna?

I don't, it was a shallow threat to force their merger and it backfired.

Care to comment on why State Democrats are making poor Latinos suffer with access to care so much they want to sue for more tax dollars?

Maybe we need a Latino Tax?

#38 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:53 PM | Reply

#36- I would say legal status, education, and english skills are precedent over race.

But you know,

I'm Latino so what do I know...

#39 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 06:56 PM | Reply

"#36- I would say legal status, education, and english skills are precedent over race."

You mean they are stronger predictors, and are more highly correlated?

It's difficult to discuss this with you since you don't know the lingo.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 06:59 PM | Reply

"Obamacare didn't change that."

Obamacare had no impact on individual markets?

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-18 07:03 PM | Reply

"So you agree markets are self correcting since you side with Aetna?"

No idea what you're asking. Not sure what it even means for a market to be self correcting. Especially a health insurance market.

Also I don't side with Aetna. What they did is malfeasance and fraud.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-18 07:04 PM | Reply

#40- your making a fool out of yourself Professor.

#43 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 07:07 PM | Reply

Still no comment on the Democrats Snoofy?

Why do the treat our Latin servants so poorly?

Their Progresive for (non-religious spirit) sake...

#44 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 07:13 PM | Reply

"your making a fool out of yourself"

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-18 07:18 PM | Reply

Hi Trustee - see how wrong you were yesterday?

#46 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-18 07:26 PM | Reply

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