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Saturday, July 15, 2017

David Brooks: I don't think moral obliviousness is built in a day. It takes generations to hammer ethical considerations out of a person's mind and to replace them entirely with the ruthless logic of winning and losing; to take the normal human yearning to be good and replace it with a single-minded desire for material conquest; to take the normal human instinct for kindness and replace it with a law-of-the-jungle mentality. It took a few generations of the House of Trump, in other words, to produce Donald Jr. ... That to me is the central takeaway of this week's revelations. It's not that the Russia scandal may bring down the administration. It's that over the past few generations the Trump family has built an enveloping culture that is beyond good and evil.

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Successful business people, like successful politicians, are very ambitious, but they generally have some complementary moral code that checks their greed and channels their drive. The House of Trump has sprayed an insecticide on any possible complementary code, and so they are continually trampling basic decency. Their scandals may not build to anything impeachable, but the scandals will never end.

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Don Jr. is just a typical Republican politician. They can't single him out and pretend that the party that wants to take healthcare away from 22 million people so that the 1% can get a huge tax cut is any better than he or his father is. Brooks writes as if this hasn't been the historical history of their party since Nixon, I suspect he thinks that if they just throw this one guy overboard it will somehow make the rest of them look like they still have consciences. Don't worry, they don't.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-15 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump were a vacuum cleaner, he'd be bagless.

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-15 10:57 AM | Reply

Now... now morals matter?

Wonder what the post modernist have to say about this....

Western society needing to move beyond their primitiveness of ancient traditional thought and practices. That truth is relative and truth is up to each individual to determine for himself.

So what if they are oblivious to your morals, why are your morals any better than the Trump families?

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-15 11:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"why are your morals any better than the Trump families?"

Are you serious, or just trolling?

Anyone who pays their bills, honors contracts, and tells the truth has better morals than the Trump family. Not a high bar, really.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-15 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#3

You'd have to embrace nasty and lazy to say such a thing.

Donald Trump is taking you all the way down.

Maybe you were already there with him.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-15 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3

Yeah, seriously. Those straw postmodernists are just the worst, am I right? Especially with them living rent-free in your head and all...

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-15 03:22 PM | Reply

#1 - I'm with Danni in this one. The only Rethug President in recent memory without a scandal that sent close operatives to jail was Daddy Bush, but Neil Bush should have been sporting an orange jumpsuit over the S&L scandal.

Nixon of course had Watergate and should have been held accountable for the deal that kept us in Viet Nam past the end of the Johnson administration. Reagan had Iran Contra. Shrub had the lies that got us into Iraq and the Plame debacle that sent Scooter Libbey to prison and should have brought down Cheney.

On the other side of the ledger? Clinton got a BJ. After 16 years of trying to destroy Bill and HRC, the best the GOP could do was consensual oral sex. Nothing from the Carter and Obama administrations. So really it does appear that Republicans as a party are far more likely to use criminal means to get what they want. They have no qualms about playing dirty to get and hold power.

It used to be funny how the GOP would waive their flags and claim their "patriotism" gave them some sort of moral superiority over the rest of us who don't wear our patriotism on our sleeves. Drumpf has solved that little issue. He has proven that the GOP will put up with an administration that obviously colluded with a hostile foreign government to steal this election. Rather that impeachment, these spineless traitors want a massive tax cut for their rich masters so badly, they will overlook obvious crimes against this country. In the future, anytime a Rethug calls my patriotism into question, I'll just point to Drumpf and tell them to STFU.

#7 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-07-15 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You can see Trump supporters a mile away.
They have the permanent stupid look on their faces, and have the yellow snake and or stars and bars Traitor flags flying off the backs of their POS pickup trucks.

#8 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-07-15 07:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Now... now morals matter?

Wonder what the post modernist have to say about this....

Western society needing to move beyond their primitiveness of ancient traditional thought and practices. That truth is relative and truth is up to each individual to determine for himself.

So what if they are oblivious to your morals, why are your morals any better than the Trump families?

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Because I don't make decisions that will harm people and the world in huge ways.

Is this really what the trump defenders have finally been reduced to? Saying that truth is relative? Basically saying nothing is wrong with trump if you choose to engage in self delusion.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-16 02:19 AM | Reply

The Russians and / or the other leakers (wiki and others) and hackers sought to undermine democracy in the USA and ... Mission Accomplished! Every Congressperson knows the ACA needs changes to become viable and not even centrist Democrats are willing to look at the proposed "fix" to offer amendments. The Democratic Party is crippled with chasing scandals towards likely nothing and not participating in governance. Some of their supporters would like to see the government grind to nothing and protest, sometimes violently, with no message other than resist and obstruct; others actually might want to move on to getting things done, though they get their voices drowned out. The fourth "branch" - the press - is consumed with clicks and gotchas that they offer no helpful insight or research on how we can work together now. People started talking about the 2018 midterms before Trump was inaugurated as if they could simply wait it out for a Trump implosion with, I guess, relief to every day folk coming in 2020 or by the ascension of the even more conservative Pence.

Do you get it guys? The people who voted for Trump will give him an even greater majority in 2018 if you offer no solutions and reasoned debate and only offer resistance and gridlock. If destroying a political party was the goal, we're about there. The far left will likely splinter off a third party that will take 20-25% of the vote almost entirely from the Democratic Party and Republicans will sweep up most races with 45%+ pluralities or slim majorities.

So yeah, the democracy has been shaken up; many are just too myopic, stupid or compromised to see it.

#10 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2017-07-16 09:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#10

I think the Democrats have an obligation to offer a useful, intelligent program always.

Ungerrymandering districts should be part of that.

I can't see myself urging anyone to work with a man who steals from them, or who I suspect is capable of murder.

That's real Putin territory there

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-16 09:41 AM | Reply

When I first read "moral vacuum" in Recent Posts, it hit my brain as "motel vacuum". Which also fits.

#12 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-16 10:21 AM | Reply

#10 - brain dead comment. ALL Dems agreed at the time of passage that the ACA was not perfect, but a good starting point. It needed a public option and more cost containment among other things. Dems tried over the next few years to fix problems, BUT WERE OBSTRUCTED BY THE GOP, WHO ALSO SCREWED WITH IT BY INSERTING POISON PILLS INTO OTHER BILLS.

Dems have NOT been invited to work with the GOP on this wealth care abortion currently up for passage. As a matter of fact, McChinless was going to try to pass it with zero hearings, Dem amendments or a CBO score before McCain's timely surgery, if you believe in God, then he appears to work in mysterious ways.

There are all kinds of Dems who would sit down with their GOP colleagues if they were HONEST in an attempt to hammer out improvents to the ACA, but the GOP doesn't want that. They want to kill the ACA to destroy a piece of President Obama's legacy, and so they can shred Medicaid to give a budget busting MASSIVE tax cut to their rich masters.

#13 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2017-07-16 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"People started talking about the 2018 midterms before Trump was inaugurated as if they could simply wait it out for a Trump implosion with, I guess, relief to every day folk coming in 2020 or by the ascension of the even more conservative Pence. "

This idiot thinks we don't remember the Caucus House Conspiracy on Feb. 20, 2009 where the leading Republicans plotted to deny Barrack Obama any success on anything.
And all that crap about Republican victories? Without gerrymandering, voter suppression, computer hacking, Russian interference into American elections? No Republican majority would even exist. Trump would not even be President. Republicans can win election one way and one way only...by cheating.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-16 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Andrea, seriously. Your morals vs my morals? Is nothing objective truth anymore?

I don't buy it. It's one thing to have vigorous political debate, but my disgust toward Trump goes far beyond politics.

It is our duty as Americans to create a consensus on ethics, to codify legality, in order to sustain civil society. Justification of the behavior exhibited daily by Trump and his clan makes this consensus impossible.

#15 | Posted by cbob at 2017-07-16 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Andrea, seriously. Your morals vs my morals? Is nothing objective truth anymore?

I don't buy it.
#15 | Posted by cbob

It's all they have left. They can no longer say it's just a crazy liberal media conspiracy. So their new tactic is saying colluding with our rivals isn't bad, or just there's no such thing as truth or facts.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-16 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#16

It's a devolution. After all this time, the American Right has decided patriotism is for chumps. You couldn't sell this as a screenplay. People would reject the premise as too fantastic.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-16 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wasn't it Dick Cheney who said "Bill Clinton proved morals don't matter?"

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-16 09:59 PM | Reply

"Successful business people, like successful politicians, are very ambitious, but they generally have some complementary moral code that checks their greed and channels their drive."

--oops, no they don't.

#19 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-07-17 03:19 AM | Reply

"Successful business people, like successful politicians, are very ambitious, but they generally have some complementary moral code that checks their greed and channels their drive."

--oops, no they don't.

#19 | Posted by ichiro

Actually successful business people test positive on SOCIOPATH test at a rate of 4%. In the normal population its 1%.

So successful business people are over 4 times more likely to be a sociopath, which means you'd have to be stupid to elect one.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-17 11:08 AM | Reply

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