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Thursday, July 13, 2017

Rising seas will inundate coastal cities like Miami, searing heat will increase human mortality, and acidic oceans will become inhospitable to fish and coral, leaving behind little but rubbery masses of jellyfish.

These consequences of human activity could be the thing that prevents our civilization from advancing much further. In a particularly extreme scenario, it could even wind up wiping us from the face of the Earth.

That may sound unlikely, but it's the answer some scientists are giving to a perplexing question: Why haven't we encountered intelligent alien life?

We live in a galaxy with between 100 billion and 400 billion stars, each potentially surrounded by planets. Until recently we thought there were around 200 billion such galaxies in our observable universe, each containing hundreds of billions of stars and trillions of planets. New NASA research indicates there are probably at least 10 times as many as we thought.

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Even if habitable planets are rare and if life is exceedingly unlikely to arise, those mind boggling numbers suggest there should still be other intelligent life somewhere in the universe. If just 0.1% of potentially habitable planets in our own galaxy harbored life, there would still be a million planets with life on them.

So, as Nobel-prize winning physicist Enrico Fermi famously asked of our alien neighbors, "Where are they?"

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I think it is impossible that in a universe this vast, in conjunction with the Physical Laws (such as the Speed of Light)we will ever make contact with aliens. Our existence as a species is a blink of an eye over the billions and billions of years of existence. And so too, presumably, are the existences of other species. What are the odds of overlap? And that we overlap in any type of near proximity such that it wouldn't take thousands and thousands of years to travel the distance between worlds?

I've decided, if it turns out there are aliens who we contact, then really none of what we think of as "real" is actually real, and we probably are all just 1s and 0s in a vast computer program. Or maybe a program within a program (... within a program within a program within a program, etc.) And in due course we may create our own "universes" within our own programs.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-13 07:00 PM | Reply

Physical contact? Maybe not. Contact via future technology? I believe it will happen. Our understanding of the physical universe is so limited, there's numerous undiscovered aspects of the universe that could lead to contact. And no, I'm not talking about traveling at the speed of light.

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-13 07:06 PM | Reply

Though, truth be told, I did indeed once see a UFO. I have no explanation for it.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-13 07:06 PM | Reply

Why would we expect to have found or been found by aliens?

#4 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-07-13 09:45 PM | Reply

Though, truth be told, I did indeed once see a UFO. I have no explanation for it.

If you were under extreme stress at the time, it could be due to endogenous DMT.

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

#5 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-13 09:53 PM | Reply

The dinosaurs lasted millions of years and never made contact with aliens as far as we know. Maybe they scared off the aliens for us.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-13 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Why would we expect to have found or been found by aliens?"

"Earth Calling E.T.: New Project Begins Beaming Your Messages Into Deep Space"

www.space.com

"List of interstellar radio messages"

en.wikipedia.org

Because people have liked playing with fire for thousands of years.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-13 10:13 PM | Reply

"If you were under extreme stress at the time, it could be due to endogenous DMT."

Well of course he was under stress.
He was witnessing a freaking UFO!!!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 10:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Why would we expect to have found or been found by aliens?"

Because we're so tasty?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 10:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Because people have liked playing with fire for thousands of years.
#7 | POSTED BY DANNI

It's not playing with fire. More like playing with a rock that, for whatever truly scientific yet unknowable reason, turned into a cup of water for you to drink. The vast distances between habitable worlds spells altruistic intent by those who can travel far enough to visit. And that's tied to risk involving physical contact. Simple communication carries less risk than anything Earthly.

IOW, any civilization capable of traveling such distances have zero need to conquer, yet much interest to explore if they have similar intrigue as most mammalian creatures do. More to the point, probes are far more probable than actual aliens as we typically envision. Physics are the same universally, hence, even intentions can be predicted within such parameters.

Loooooooooooove this topic, BTW.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-13 10:42 PM | Reply

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"IOW, any civilization capable of traveling such distances have zero need to conquer,"

Trophy hunters seem to have an innate need to conquer things that nets them no real gain.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 10:48 PM | Reply

It is also entirely true that the human population is in need of culling, since it's managed to outwit or extinct the bulk of its natural predators.

Much like hunters who take deer are not really harming the species we call deer, because we have also removed just about all of the deer's natural predators.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 10:50 PM | Reply

Hagbard had a pretty awesome UFO story that he shared with the DR, once upon a time..

#13 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-13 10:58 PM | Reply

I loved Predator and Predator 2.

But you did bring up an interesting idea even beyond those movies. What happens when the Predator storyline turns into similar hunter story here in the Americas.

Last remnants of humans are protected by ambiguous intergalactic laws protecting endangered species. Yet intergalactic poachers still remain.

Fun!!!!

Even more so, the philosophical question remains: are trophies worth anything to the inconceivably intelligent?

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-13 11:00 PM | Reply

So, we beam out radio waves that lure far more advanced civilizations to come here, I know it is only a fear, but it is possible. We should not be contacting any civilization until we develop the ability to view that civilization before they view us. It's sort of crazy to just beam out radio waves saying "Hi, we're a low end technology race living on a fantastic planet with temperatures varying between 120 and -50 degrees. Our species depends on oxygen which our planet has an ecological method of renewing. We need water to survive and our planet has abundant resources of water both frozen and liquid.
Beam that out to billions of planets and don't expect a species that is looking for exactly what we have, stupid.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-13 11:19 PM | Reply

Beam that out to billions of planets and don't expect a species that is looking for exactly what we have, stupid.

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

There's also potentially billions of lifeless planets that also have water and other resources to be pillaged. You suggesting entities capable of intergalactic travel have the same frame if mind as loggers in the Amazon?

If anything, IMO, you just described a far more plausible reason as to why aliens have not visited: We've made our presence known long enough for resource poachers to avoid us. The one reason to avoid a resource rich planet is if it possesses a delicate, sentient civilization that can hardly grasp the concept of self preservation as a species, let alone deal with the EXISTENCE of another beyond their own little rock they call Earth. You're not stupid because of this suggestion, but you are clueless because you didn't even recognize you offered a suggestion in the first place!!! Hahahahaha!!!

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-14 12:07 AM | Reply

"Last remnants of humans are protected by ambiguous intergalactic laws protecting endangered species. Yet intergalactic poachers still remain."

We have that already, it's called CrossCheck.

"are trophies worth anything to the inconceivably intelligent?"

The valuation is not a function of intelligence, but some other quality. Like pride, or to win a mate.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 12:17 AM | Reply

Or some grown men still like to cuddle with stuffed animals.

#18 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 12:19 AM | Reply

So why are there Men In Black, Project Bluebook etc...

#19 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-07-14 12:26 AM | Reply

I'm pretty convinced that the Earth is under observation by at least one technologically advanced alien civilization. And I don't buy into that "they are just here to observe us", crap. Yeah, non-interference. Right.

The alien intent is hostile. Otherwise, they would land at the UN building or on the White House lawn and announce themselves. My guess is that the Earth makes them salivate. Life is probably common in the galaxy, but is mostly archea or prokaryotic. Eukarotic, multi-cellular life is probably the rare exception. The Earth is therefore a priceless jewel.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 03:55 AM | Reply

"The alien intent is hostile. Otherwise, they would land at the UN building or on the White House lawn and announce themselves"

Because they see us like we see, oh something like we see mountain gorilla's.

it would not be Joe Shmoe alien that would be here it would be their version of a scientist observing us.

#21 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2017-07-14 07:06 AM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY DANNI
"Because people have liked playing with fire for thousands of years."

I think that's a valid concern, but I'd caution against attaching too much weight to it.

#16 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11
"You suggesting entities capable of intergalactic travel have the same frame if mind as loggers in the Amazon?"

I'd also caution against equating capability of intergalactic travel with a non-aggressive nature.

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The issue for me is, while there are very likely many examples of life "out there", there is no reason to expect them to have contacted or visited us.
A mere two centuries ago, we had ZERO means to contact or detect alien life.
And we are a LONG way from interstellar travel.

There is the distinct possibility that we are the most advanced race in the universe. Somebody has to be.
If we're only two centuries more technologically advanced than the second-most advanced race in the universe, there'd be neither contact nor detection.

#22 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-07-14 10:49 AM | Reply

I'm a long time believer in the Fermi paradox. I believe the "great filter" is intelligence. That intelligence must be coupled with the physical ability to manipulate our environment.

Dolphins, whales and elephants can be described as intelligent using some measurements, but they can't manipulate their environment. They can't make fire or develop agriculture.

#23 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-07-14 11:32 AM | Reply

If instead of only being technologic for about 300 years an alien civilization has been technologic for 3,000,000 years, maybe they view us as we would view termites on the far side of the world. Would we really bother going to all the trouble to travel that distance just to greet the termites?

Having said that, even if there technology is 3,000,000 years old, there just is no way to travel faster than the speed of light. It is an inviolable law of our Newtonian universe. Meaning, no matter how advanced they are it would still take many thousands of years to come here just for a visit. I just don't believe it.

The only type of hypothetical faster than light travel I could imagine would involve some way of leaving our universe altogether and then popping back in at a different location. But of course that is just science fiction nonsense being imagined by a person (me) who has no comprehension of actual deep physics. Again, I just don't believe it.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-14 11:38 AM | Reply

They have monitored our self destruction and have rightly decided to avoid us at all costs.

#25 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-14 11:50 AM | Reply

There is such a deep human desire/need to believe in ET or in a God who actively watches over us that no matter how much logical evidence exists pointing to the fact they do not exist, we still will persist in believing in them and coming up with "evidence" to prove their existence. I believe there is literally nothing that can be said/done/demonstrated/proven that will convince a fairly high percentage of our population that neither ET nor an 'interactive' God exist. In must be part of our DNA. We seem to NEED to believe.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-14 01:04 PM | Reply

technology is 3,000,000 years old

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* assuming they even have the ability to develop technology

#27 | Posted by Pirate at 2017-07-14 02:14 PM | Reply

neither of those propositions are true.

#28 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-07-15 11:23 AM | Reply

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