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Thursday, July 13, 2017

If the feminist men -- the men who proudly declare their progressive politics and their fight for quality -- aren't safe, then what man is? No man, I fear.

I have two sons. They are strong and compassionate -- the kind of boys other parents are glad to meet when their daughters bring them home for dinner. They are good boys, in the ways good boys are, but they are not safe boys. I'm starting to believe there's no such thing.

I wrote an essay in The Washington Post last year, during the height of the Brock Turner case, about my sons and rape culture. I didn't think it would be controversial when I wrote it; I was sure most parents grappled with raising sons in the midst of rape culture. The struggle I wrote about was universal, I thought, but I was wrong. My essay went semi-viral, and for the first time my sons encountered my words about them on their friends' phones, their teachers' computers, and even overheard them discussed by strangers on a crowded metro bus.

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"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

- Andrea Dworkin, Our Blood (1976)

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-13 10:10 AM | Reply

FTA:

I know I'm not supposed to cast an entire sex with a single paint brush -- not all men, I'm sure some readers are thinking and preparing to type or tweet. But if it's impossible for a white person to grow up without adopting racist ideas, simply because of the environment in which they live, how can I expect men not to subconsciously absorb at least some degree of sexism? White people aren't safe, and men aren't safe, no matter how much I'd like to assure myself that these things aren't true.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-13 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--- Andrea Dworkin, Our Blood (1976)

Ever seen a pic of her? No wonder she hated men. A heteronormative man would rather be gay than hook up with her.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-07-13 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What's really sad is 0.5% of white men commit rape, and those that do are serial offenders with a 90% recidivism rate, and that the propensity to rape runs in families, like homosexuality. That is, it's genetic.

Yet these hysterical woman turn on their own children, because unlike in the Islamic world, we Westerners live in a "rape culture".

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-13 10:25 AM | Reply

I know I'm not supposed to cast an entire sex with a single paint brush -- not all men, I'm sure some readers are thinking and preparing to type or tweet.

#2 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-13 10:14 AM | REPLY

lol. "I know it's wrong, but I'm doing it anyways."

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-13 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Some of the comments are fantastic, particularly the one about Cluster B personality disorder. The woman clearly has some trust issues - maybe borderline or histrionic personality disorder. She probably is part of the "all men are pigs and rapists" group, perhaps as a result of having been rejected a few times. I'm sure her sons are living in their own personal hell being raised by a woman who's lecturing them constantly about being sexist future rapists.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-07-13 10:31 AM | Reply

"What's really sad is 0.5% of white men commit rape, and those that do are serial offenders with a 90% recidivism rate, and that the propensity to rape runs in families, like homosexuality."

That is not true about homosexuality. It is true that those who were abused as children probably have a higher propensity towards rape and other forms of abuse as adults. That does not prove that it is genetic though.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-13 10:31 AM | Reply

#3 I'm glad you said it and not me. Like I did say: probably has been rejected a few times.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-07-13 10:33 AM | Reply

Did anyone else read this and wonder if she wrote it in part as her coming out announcement?

#9 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-07-13 10:34 AM | Reply

"What's really sad is 0.5% of white men commit rape, and those that do are serial offenders with a 90% recidivism rate, and that the propensity to rape runs in families, like homosexuality. That is, it's genetic."

1) Citation needed.

2) this has nothing to do with rape culture, even if it is true.

#10 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-13 03:12 PM | Reply

#10 That's because "rape culture" isn't real - it's a liberal fallacy designed to malign men and scare little girls into hiding in a safe space. Ergo, the only thing that has anything to do with "rape culture" is "imagination".

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-07-13 03:59 PM | Reply

This lady seems completely normal....

#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-07-13 04:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"What's really sad is 0.5% of white men commit rape"

So explain why the other 99.5% of white men can't stop a group they outnumber 199 to 1.

You can't explain it.

But rape culture explains it.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13

Thanks, I was with them up to #12, but that is an excellent point. Kinda like BLM. But still, I think the solution could be proposed in a less accusatory manner, don't you?

#14 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-07-13 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 That's because "rape culture" isn't real -
#11 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2017-07-13 03:59 PM | FLAG:

Of course it is. And you and people like you are very much a part of it. Blaming victims, slandering or automatically rejecting the claims of accusers, supporting officials who don't investigate or punish rape or who call forced impregnation a gift, defunding women's health organizations, encouraging a "boys will be boys" attitude towards the treatment of women, supporting bizarre recategorizations of rape ("legitimate rape" "forceable rape"), the list goes on and on.

#15 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-13 07:23 PM | Reply

everydayfeminism.com

time.com

Some interesting reading on the subject.

#16 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-13 07:31 PM | Reply

Heliumrat, does rape culture exist in the Muslim world?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 07:32 PM | Reply

What a dumb ------- conversation. The author is ridiculously self-absorbed...It's like she wrote this in an attempt to bathe in the much-deserved pity of others. But the fact is that men don't just rape women, they rape men as well. Just like women rape women. And women rape men.

This is nothing more than another attempt at promoting a pointless false-narrative intended create/perpetuate victim culture.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-13 10:21 PM | Reply

"But the fact is that men don't just rape women, they rape men as well. Just like women rape women. And women rape men. "

Dang, it's almost like a rape culture!
Oh wait, it is!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-13 10:39 PM | Reply

If we're all victims, how do we segregate ourselves off as being more of a victim?

Oh, and since we're talking about it. I think we can both agree that Jody Allard wasn't really talking about Lena Dunham fingering her younger sister when she was attempting to illustrate "rape culture," right?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-13 11:06 PM | Reply

Otherwise, the headline would have been "I'm done pretending humans are safe (even my sons, daughters, and pronoun non-specific offspring).

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-13 11:07 PM | Reply

"If we're all victims, how do we segregate ourselves off as being more of a victim?"

There levels of victimization, for starters.

Your logic is skewed anyway: just because men are victimized, it doesn't mean that women aren't or that rape isn't trivialized, enabled, covered up.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 01:22 AM | Reply

This is nothing more than another attempt at promoting a pointless false-narrative intended create/perpetuate victim culture.

#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-07-13 10:21 PM | FLAG:

The same thing regressives say about any attempt to call attention to injustices to which they are willfully blind if not positively complicit.

#23 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 01:31 AM | Reply

Blaming victims, slandering or automatically rejecting the claims of accusers, supporting officials who don't investigate or punish rape, encouraging a "boys will be boys" attitude towards the treatment of women, supporting bizarre recategorizations of rape

That's not rape culture, that's the biography of the Clintons.

So explain why the other 99.5% of white men can't stop a group they outnumber 199 to 1.

Because we're not walking around with them 24/7. Why can't all the non-heroin users stop the heroin users? Why can't all the non-pedophiles stop all the pedophilia? Why can't everyone who has never shaken a baby stop people from shaking babies? Why do adolescents still find a way to smoke and drink underage? Why do Justin Beiber fans still exist? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THEM ON A LEASH, DUMBASS.

#24 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-07-14 07:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Your logic is skewed anyway: just because men are victimized, it doesn't mean that women aren't or that rape isn't trivialized, enabled, covered up."

Did I imply it was?

"The same thing regressives say about any attempt to call attention to injustices to which they are willfully blind if not positively complicit."

That's exactly what you're doing...trivializing injustices perpetrated against one group in order to enhance the perception of injustice against another. And what about those who have been accused of rape, but in reality didn't do anything. Aren't they equally victimized?

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 11:20 AM | Reply

MadB are you really telling us men aren't the leading rapists?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 12:15 PM | Reply

"Did I imply it was?"

Frankly, yes. Otherwise why bring up the things you right up?

"That's exactly what you're doing...trivializing injustices perpetrated against one group in order to enhance the perception of injustice against another."

How am I doing any such thing? Calling attention to rape culture helps the other groups as well. But is is a reality that not all groups ARE equally victimized. And you know that. The reason you bring up the other groups is to distract from or trivialize the suffering of the groups most victimized by rape culture... so that lazy or immoral people like yourself can ignore the problem altogether.

"And what about those who have been accused of rape, but in reality didn't do anything. Aren't they equally victimized?"

Nope. Not even close.

And your misogynistic true colors are showing, bringing up this non-problem.

#27 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 12:55 PM | Reply

"Because we're not walking around with them 24/7."

Don't be obtuse. The issue is you don't really want to stop them. You want them to get away with it.

#28 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 12:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"That's not rape culture, that's the biography of the Clintons."

Nice deflection. Are you now going to pretend you and yours aren't part of the problem?

#29 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 01:00 PM | Reply

"But is is a reality that not all groups ARE equally victimized. And you know that."

That's a subjective statement. Not you or anyone else can quantify the victimization of others. But your whole argument has been based on subjective criteria...so I guess I should expect it.

"The reason you bring up the other groups is to distract from or trivialize the suffering of the groups most victimized by rape culture... so that lazy or immoral people like yourself can ignore the problem altogether."

You mean like you ignoring men get raped (no big deal...they're dudes), or women getting raped by other women...or even those who have been accused of rape when they hadn't. Do you know what that does to a person?

In other words, the safe space you're trying to establish for the victims you've created is just more utter steaming --------. Well, not all --------. But most of it is.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 01:19 PM | Reply

"That's a subjective statement."

Not really. We can look at the numbers of incidents. The severity of incidents. The responses to incidents. There are plenty of ways to measure this and all of them confirm what you already know: sexual violence against women is the more prevalent, less addressed issue.

"You mean like you ignoring men get raped (no big deal...they're dudes), or women getting raped by other women...or even those who have been accused of rape when they hadn't. Do you know what that does to a person?"

None of which changes anything I have said. The fact that these other problems exist (to the extent they do) doesn't change the problem of sexual violence against women and the culture that encourages it. But you know that. You just want to point to other problems as a deflection, so that you have an excuse to continue to do nothing about ANY of the problems.

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 01:40 PM | Reply

Hey MadRandroid: you've managed to use the fallacy of relative privation in two different threads on the same day! So, your logic is faulty, but at least it is CONSISTENTLY faulty.

I don't suppose it is too late in your life to dive back into whatever CrackerJack box you fished your "education" out of an, I don't know, audit a critical thinking course or something? Think of the embarrassment it would save you.

#32 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 01:55 PM | Reply

The issue is you don't really want to stop them. You want them to get away with it.

#28 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-07-14 12:56 PM

Speak for yourself, that's BS and if you were honest with yourself you would realize it. But you can't because it doesn't fit your personal narrative.

Back in the late 80's another guy and I stopped an attempted rape at UCLA, I got a slash in my shoulder with the rapists knife for my intervention and still have the scar...and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Go peddle your BS somewhere that no one will call you on it.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 02:05 PM | Reply

I don't suppose it is too late in your life to dive back into whatever CrackerJack box you fished your "education" out of an, I don't know, audit a critical thinking course or something? Think of the embarrassment it would save you.

#32 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-07-14 01:55 PM

Self-retorting retort of the day.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak for yourself, that's BS and if you were honest with yourself you would realize it. But you can't because it doesn't fit your personal narrative.
Back in the late 80's another guy and I stopped an attempted rape at UCLA, I got a slash in my shoulder with the rapists knife for my intervention and still have the scar...and I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Go peddle your BS somewhere that no one will call you on it.
#33 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 02:05 PM | FLAG:

And yet look at who you vote for. Look at how you respond to the mere mention of rape culture. Do you make jokes about rape? Do you ever suggest rape victims deserve what happens to them (for their dress, their conduct)? Think about it.

#35 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 02:10 PM | Reply

This seems to be a uniquely conservative disease: the fact that you stepped up when needed doesn't change the fact that there are systemic issues that need to be addressed. It is like the person who opposes social
Safety nets but still claims to care about the poor because he gives to charity.

#36 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 02:18 PM | Reply

And yet look at who you vote for.

Hmm, I honestly don't think that Gary Johnson is pro-rape. How do you feel about Hillary's actions vis a vis the rape allegations against Bubba? You voted for her, right? (see how I asked before I assumed? Try it sometime)

Look at how you respond to the mere mention of rape culture.

I was responding to your BS generalization that men want rapists to get away with it.

Do you make jokes about rape?

Never.

Do you ever suggest rape victims deserve what happens to them (for their dress, their conduct)? Think about it.

Never.

But you obviously have some deep seated guilt about this Boyd...maybe you should add some counseling to your critical thinking course load.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 02:18 PM | Reply

This seems to be a uniquely conservative disease: the fact that you stepped up when needed doesn't change the fact that there are systemic issues that need to be addressed.

This sentence underscores the self-retorting nature of #32...my stopping a rapist has no causal link to the "systemic issues" you are trying to establish. IMO, more people need to step up instead of blaming everyone for the actions of a disturbed few.

It is like the person who opposes social Safety nets but still claims to care about the poor because he gives to charity.

Once again, a flawed comparison but that is how you roll.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 02:23 PM | Reply

"Hmm, I honestly don't think that Gary Johnson is pro-rape."

Just so long as we don't fund women's health or crisis centers, counseling at colleges and universities, and myriad other things that address the issue, right? Standing by and doing nothing only exacerbates the problem. And how about congressional candidates? Do ever vote GOP? That party's record on this issue is well known.

Do you support the violence against women act?

"Never"

Good for you. Do you call other people out when they do so?

We still have your knee jerk responses to the discussion of rape culture. Someone posts a thread and here you are like clockwork to object.

#39 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 02:27 PM | Reply

"This sentence underscores the self-retorting nature of #32...my stopping a rapist has no causal link to the "systemic issues" you are trying to establish."

Exactly. And yet you trot it out to claim a free pass on this issue for the rest of time, despite all your other conduct before and since. Like I said, typically conservative.

And in case the point needed further proof...

"IMO, more people need to step up instead of blaming everyone for the actions of a disturbed few."

Ah. So you DO deny that rape culture exists. You think people should just be more proactive about foiling rapes
as they happen (and I wonder if you'd have been so quick to intervene had you been at a party and seen someone about to sleep with a women to intoxicated to give consent). Why worry about victim blaming or the culture of disbelief of victims or "boys will be boys" permissiveness?

#40 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 02:32 PM | Reply

Too intoxicated ^

#41 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 02:33 PM | Reply

Just so long as we don't fund women's health or crisis centers, counseling at colleges and universities, and myriad other things that address the issue, right?

Don't assign positions to me that you wish I had for the purposes of proving your "point", whatever that is now.

Standing by and doing nothing only exacerbates the problem.

Standing by and blaming everyone else but the people who are sick and need help also exacerbates the problem.

And how about congressional candidates? Do ever vote GOP? That party's record on this issue is well known.

Yes I have, and nice overgeneralization, but once again that is how you roll.

Do you support the violence against women act?

Always have, did you support the amendment that would have allowed illegal aliens to claim temporary visas if they merely alleged that they were abuse victims?

Boyd, I have answered all of your questions, how about mine...did you vote for Hillary Clinton and how do you feel about her defense of Bubba when he was accused of rape?

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 03:07 PM | Reply

And as for your question about stopping someone from having sex with someone too intoxicated to consent, yes, I have done that as well.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 03:08 PM | Reply

"Don't assign positions to me that you wish I had for the purposes of proving your "point", whatever that is no"

That is your candidate's position.

"Yes I have, and nice overgeneralization, but once again that is how you roll."

#notallReblicans, is it? You cannot be this naive.

"Standing by and blaming everyone else but the people who are sick and need help also exacerbates the problem."

Does it? It is easy to blame the people you mention. The problem is that people ignore the broader cultural problems that allow them to victimize people. It is the people who deny the existence of rape culture that advocate putting on blinders and missing the full scope of the problem.

#44 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 03:24 PM | Reply

"Always have, did you support the amendment that would have allowed illegal aliens to claim temporary visas if they merely alleged that they were abuse victims?"

Yes.

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 03:25 PM | Reply

*crickets* on the Hillary question, why am I not surprised...

You cannot be this naive.

LMAO, you are the one assigning a "culture" to a large part of the US population and you are calling me "naive"?

Go back to your hole, Boyduhh, it suits you.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 03:29 PM | Reply

"*crickets* on the Hillary question, why am I not surprised..."

Yeah, that is how I typically respond to deflections.

"LMAO, you are the one assigning a "culture" to a large part of the US population and you are calling me "naive"?"

Correct. I have given all manner of support to the existence of rape culture. Your continued denialism just proves what I said initially: you are part of the problem.
Congrats.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 03:44 PM | Reply

And good luck with overcoming the ailments in judgement I pointed to earlier.

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 03:45 PM | Reply

You say: "And yet look at who you vote for.", which was your asinine assumption that I voted for Trump...

I respond: "How do you feel about Hillary's actions vis a vis the rape allegations against Bubba? You voted for her, right? (see how I asked before I assumed? Try it sometime)"

When I get no response I again say: "Boyd, I have answered all of your questions, how about mine...did you vote for Hillary Clinton and how do you feel about her defense of Bubba when he was accused of rape?"

Still no response, I say: "*crickets* on the Hillary question, why am I not surprised..."

You finally say: "Yeah, that is how I typically respond to deflections."

Guess what, Vizzini, my responding to your statement about who I voted for is not a deflection, since you opened the door to the question.

And as I suspected, you have no answer to my question that fits your narrative.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Guess what, Vizzini, my responding to your statement about who I voted for is not a deflection, since you opened the door to the question."

It is a complete deflection. People all over the political
Spectrum participate in rape culture. That was never in question.

The point (and what you are trying to distract from with your patented "but Clinton!!1" move) is that It is conservatives like you that deny it exists and oppose most measures to reduce it. You are the partisan of rape culture. You are its willing accomplice. Because you don't want people to talk about it or acknowledge it exists. You mumble some tale of "doing your bit to stop the bad guy" and then go right on back to the "don't blame the rest of us!" screed regressives always use to oppose any calling of attention to rape culture or women's issues or racism or a host of other social justice questions you'd rather just ignore.

#50 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 04:30 PM | Reply

www.listen-tome.com

Come clean, Righty: are you secretly everyone's favorite costumed defender of "men's rights?"

#51 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 04:33 PM | Reply

Please cite where 'rape culture' exists.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:00 PM | Reply

#50

And as I suspected, you have no answer to my question that fits your narrative.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:04 PM | Reply

Please cite where 'rape culture' exists.

#52 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:00 PM | FLAG:

What do you mean? Where as in a geographic location? If you are looking for examples and stats, you will find some in #16.

#54 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:04 PM | Reply

And as I suspected, you have no answer to my question that fits your narrative.

#53 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 05:04 PM | FLAG:

Deflection accomplished. Does some conservative fairy godmother appear and give you a gold star now?

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:06 PM | Reply

And as I suspected, you have no answer to my question that fits your narrative.

#53 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 05:04 PM | FLAG:

I note you can't respond to the rest of the post. Sad.

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:07 PM | Reply

It is a complete deflection. People all over the political Spectrum participate in rape culture. That was never in question.

So I can infer that the candidate that you willingly voted for "participates in rape culture"? Weird that you would get all lathered up about this subject then vote for someone who has been a willing participant in the very thing you decry.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:08 PM | Reply

If you are looking for examples and stats, you will find some in #16.

#54 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I stopped reading when I got to this bogus and discredited statistic:

Is 1 in 5 American women surviving rape or attempted rape

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:09 PM | Reply

So I can infer that the candidate that you willingly voted for "participates in rape culture"? Weird that you would get all lathered up about this subject then vote for someone who has been a willing participant in the very thing you decry.

#57 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 05:08 PM | FLAG:

And there is the deflection again, restated to be more explicit. Strange you see fit to comment at all, given you don't believe in rape culture.

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:10 PM | Reply

Dirk reminds me more of Ashton than Boyd.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:11 PM | Reply

I stopped reading when I got to this bogus and discredited statistic:
Is 1 in 5 American women surviving rape or attempted rape
#58 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:09 PM | FLAG:

Your Confessedly refusing to read my links is not my problem.

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:12 PM | Reply

Strange you see fit to comment at all, given you don't believe in rape culture.

#59 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Why is that strange? If you are pushing the notion of rape culture and he doesn't see it as you do it only makes sense for him to post - that is how discourse works.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:12 PM | Reply

Ashton?

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-14 05:12 PM | Reply

Think about the Ashton Stamp.

It's the way in which Dirk issues rejoinders.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:13 PM | Reply

I note you can't respond to the rest of the post. Sad.

LOL, you want me to respond to an attack on my personal experiences, assign positions to me and call me names?

This isn't Kindergarten Boyduhh.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:14 PM | Reply

The Ashton Stamp was a series of Ashton rejoinders strung together. It was created by A_Citizen to be used when someone you are debating is being ridiculous, making a circular argument, strawman arguments, etc.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:15 PM | Reply

Your Confessedly refusing to read my links is not my problem.

#61 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

When they are premised on a false statistic, they are a waste of time.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:16 PM | Reply

"LOL, you want me to respond to an attack on my personal experiences, assign positions to me and call me names?"

Quit whining. You are the one using your personal experiences (unverifiable anecdotes) to justify yourself. And I am not assigning any positions you haven't already admitted to yourself.

Or do you need to clarify something? Perhaps you believe in rape culture after all? Perhaps you support measures to limit it?

#68 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:17 PM | Reply

And there is the deflection again, restated to be more explicit.

Strange that you refuse to answer the question, other than the fact that it exposes your hypocrisy.

Make no mistake Jeff, this is Boyduhh in all his ridiculously circular strawman "glory."

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:19 PM | Reply

When they are premised on a false statistic, they are a waste of time.

#67 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:16 PM | FLAG:

You haven't provided an alternative one. And as usual, your logic is flawed. The statistic is one detail, a mere preface to a list of really quite good examples of rape culture. We could argue over how much rape happens and how good our stats on it can ever be, but those examples are still worthwhile.

#70 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:20 PM | Reply

Dirk,

This is why I dismissed your link:

www.thedailybeast.com

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:20 PM | Reply

DirkStruan, are you a rapist? Because you seem to think to think that all men want to rape women. You're projecting.

I don't want to rape anybody.

Your thoughts about "rape culture" are completely alien to me.

#72 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 05:21 PM | Reply

"Strange that you refuse to answer the question, other than the fact that it exposes your hypocrisy."

Strange that you persist in a deflection with which I refuse to engage.

And again, you do nothing to address the beholder argument. Because you are incapable.

#73 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:21 PM | Reply

", are you a rapist? Because you seem to think to think that all men want to rape women. You're projecting."

Well, someone is: I never suggested anything of the sort. Nor is that what rape culture means.

#74 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:22 PM | Reply

Please cite where 'rape culture' exists.
#52 | Posted by JeffJ at

Representative Steven King's office?

thinkprogress.org

In an interview with Iowa's KMEG-TV, King denied ever hearing about anyone getting pregnant from statutory rape or ------, saying: "Well I just haven't heard of that being a circumstance that's been brought to me in any personal way, and I'd be open to discussion about that subject matter."

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 05:23 PM | Reply

This is why I dismissed your link:
www.thedailybeast.com

#71 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:20 PM | FLAG:

Not good enough.

#76 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:23 PM | Reply

And as usual, your logic is flawed. The statistic is one detail,

It's one detail that underlies the entire notion of 'rape culture'. In order to have a 'rape culture' it has to be prevalent and '1 in 5' fits the bill. When forcible rape (penetration, sodomy, etc) is 6.1 in 1000 (which is 6.1 too many) all of a sudden the prevalence is gone.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:24 PM | Reply

Not good enough.

#76 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Did you read it?

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:25 PM | Reply

You know what I could just as easily say regarding the sources you are using to support your argument?

"Not good enough."

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:25 PM | Reply

--Please cite where 'rape culture' exists.

That's easy; the countries where rapists go free and their victims are stoned to death. But hey, the post-modern cultural relativists say all cultures are equal, so who are we judge?

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-07-14 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It's one detail that underlies the entire notion of 'rape culture'. In order to have a 'rape culture' it has to be prevalent and '1 in 5' fits the bill."

This doesn't follow. You obviously don't understand what rape culture is.

Read the links.

#81 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:27 PM | Reply

"You know what I could just as easily say regarding the sources you are using to support your argument?"

You could say that. You'd be wrong, however.

#82 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply

That's easy; the countries where rapists go free and their victims are stoned to death. But hey, the post-modern cultural relativists say all cultures are equal, so who are we judge?

#80 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-07-14 05:26 PM | FLAG:

Nulli strikes another decisive blow against the relativists in his head.

#83 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply

In South Africa, the rape capitol of the world, the average woman is raped twice a year, according to the UN. The western world is very different, Dirk.

#84 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply

In South Africa, the rape capitol of the world, the average woman is raped twice a year, according to the UN. The western world is very different, Dirk.

#84 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 05:29 PM | FLAG:

Any other trivial contributions you'd care to make? Honestly, it is like "it is worse elsewhere" is the hip new phrase on these forums.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:33 PM | Reply

"You know what I could just as easily say regarding the sources you are using to support your argument?"
You could say that. You'd be wrong, however.

#82 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I'd be no more wrong than #76.

"It's one detail that underlies the entire notion of 'rape culture'. In order to have a 'rape culture' it has to be prevalent and '1 in 5' fits the bill."
------
This doesn't follow. You obviously don't understand what rape culture is.

I know that in order to have a 'rape culture', rape has to be prevalent. It's not, therefore no rape culture.

6.1 of 1000 college-age women who are in college vs 7.1 of 1000 college-age women who are not in college. That is according to the link that I provided. So, if you are citing the college campus as a place of rape culture, like our last President did, you'd be flat-wrong. Grabbing a girl's butt without consent is wrong, but it's not rape no matter how much you want it to be.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:38 PM | Reply

You would have to go to Japan to find less rape. The Western world isn't part of your "rape culture" fever dream, Dirk. Grow up, or see a psychiatrist. You rape conspiracy people trip me out. See the story I posted from Right-Wing Watch about Trump cracking down pedophiles. You sound like that guy.

#87 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 05:39 PM | Reply

"I know that in order to have a 'rape culture', rape has to be prevalent. It's not, therefore no rape culture."

Again, this doesn't follow. You can repeat it all you'd like. It just shows your ignorance: You don't even halve a working definition of rape culture if you think all it means is "lots of rapes happen." Correct your ignorance, come back, and then we can talk.

#88 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:42 PM | Reply

6.1 of 1000 college-age women who are in college vs 7.1 of 1000 college-age women who are not in college. That is according to the link that I provided. So, if you are citing the college campus as a place of rape culture, like our last President did, you'd be flat-wrong. Grabbing a girl's butt without consent is wrong, but it's not rape no matter how much you want it to be.
#86 | Posted by JeffJ

well since college is only 4 or 5 years of a woman's life and

www.washingtonpost.com

An estimated 19.3 percent of women have been raped at one point in their lives. That's according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which Friday released results from a 2011 survey.

seems consistent

jefe you are conflating college rates with the 1 in 5 statistic.

Additionally, nearly 2 percent of men have been raped; nearly 44 percent of women and 23 percent of men have experienced some other form of sexual violence; and 15 percent of women and nearly 6 percent have men have been stalked.

so nearly 2 of 3 women have been either raped or subjected to sexual violence (assuming the 44 percent excludes the 19.3 percent)

#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You would have to go to Japan to find less rape. The Western world isn't part of your "rape culture" fever dream, Dirk."

Based on what? You are just spouting trivialities. You haven't come close to addressing whether rape culture exists in the West or not.

#90 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:44 PM | Reply

"Grabbing a girl's butt without consent is wrong, but it's not rape no matter how much you want it to be."

You are quibbling, like obfuscators of rape culture always do. Any minute now you will be talking about "legitimate" vs "illegitimate" rapes. Play with definitions all you like. Perhaps you would prefer "sexual assault" culture? The broader point stands regardless.

#91 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:47 PM | Reply

And let's not forget that sexual assaults are widely regarded as being under reported anyway, perhaps dramatically so.

#92 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:48 PM | Reply

and to further smash your argument about colleges not being a place of rape culture, approximately 1 in 3 rapes that women endure are during their college years. sooooooooo

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 05:49 PM | Reply

And I am not assigning any positions you haven't already admitted to yourself.

Assigned positions:

look at who you vote for
Do you make jokes about rape
Do you ever suggest rape victims deserve what happens to them (for their dress, their conduct)
you trot it out to claim a free pass on this issue for the rest of time, despite all your other conduct before and since
You think people should just be more proactive about foiling rapes
Why worry about victim blaming or the culture of disbelief of victims or "boys will be boys" permissiveness
conservatives like you that deny it exists and oppose most measures to reduce it.
You are the partisan of rape culture.
You are its willing accomplice.
Because you don't want people to talk about it or acknowledge it exists.
You mumble some tale of "doing your bit to stop the bad guy" and then go right on back to the "don't blame the rest of us!" screed regressives always use to oppose any calling of attention to rape culture or women's issues or racism or a host of other social justice questions you'd rather just ignore.

All positions I haven't taken but you wish I had so you could prove your "point."

Vintage Boyduhh.

#94 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:49 PM | Reply

#89 I disagree with that statement, I've never met a woman who was violently raped outside of the fundamentalist church I grew up in. And life was very different there. A very different culture.

#95 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 05:50 PM | Reply

Words and definitions matter. 'Rape' has a very specific meaning. 'Sexual assault' has a much broader meaning but conjures up images that are inconsistent with dancing with a chick, reading the situation wrong and planting a kiss on her that she didn't want.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:51 PM | Reply

How many women do you know who have been raped, Dirk?

#97 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 05:52 PM | Reply

How many women do you know who have been raped, Dirk?

#97 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 05:52 PM | FLAG:

Several. Several more sexual assault survivors of various sorts. And I don't know a single woman who hasn't at least been harassed.

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:56 PM | Reply

I'm heading out for the evening. I may grab my wife's....er....sexually assault my wife as I open the car door for her.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 05:56 PM | Reply

hen go right on back to the "don't blame the rest of us!" screed regressives always use to oppose any calling of attention to rape culture or women's issues or racism or a host of other social justice questions you'd rather just ignore.

I just figured out that this isn't solely about "rape culture" but is also about all the other transgressions, macro and micro, that make up Boyd's SJW ethos.

#100 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Any minute now you will be talking about "legitimate" vs "illegitimate" rapes.

Like Whoopi Goldberg when she defended progressive icon Roman Polanski?

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-07-14 05:58 PM | Reply

Words and definitions matter. 'Rape' has a very specific meaning. 'Sexual assault' has a much broader meaning but conjures up images that are inconsistent with dancing with a chick, reading the situation wrong and planting a kiss on her that she didn't want.

#96 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:51 PM | FLAG:

Hey look everyone: Jeff is quibbling over definitions AND trivializing sexual assault all in one post! What a great example of rape culture in action. Remember guys, sexual assault is just something you can trip and fall into... like being in a fender bender.

#102 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:58 PM | Reply

Like Whoopi Goldberg when she defended progressive icon Roman Polanski?

#101 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-07-14 05:58 PM | FLAG:

Yes.

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 05:59 PM | Reply

I just figured out that this isn't solely about "rape culture" but is also about all the other transgressions, macro and micro, that make up Boyd's SJW ethos.

#100 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 05:58 PM | FLAG:

A bit slow on the uptake, huh? Yes, injustices do tend to connect.

#105 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:00 PM | Reply

I remember when I got drunk in college and woke up with this chick on top of me.

I wish Dirk had been there to save me and crucify that horrible woman for what she did to me.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm heading out for the evening. I may grab my wife's....er....sexually assault my wife as I open the car door for her.

#99 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:56 PM | FLAG:

Jokes about sexual assault: another instance of rape culture in action.

#107 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:01 PM | Reply

#99

Careful Jeff, you just "proved" the SJW's "point" by making a clear rape joke...unless of course you think your wife's outfit tonight showed that she "deserved" it.

#108 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:01 PM | Reply

I remember when I got drunk in college and woke up with this chick on top of me.
I wish Dirk had been there to save me and crucify that horrible woman for what she did to me.

#106 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-07-14 06:00 PM | FLAG:

Viewing consent as optional: yet another example of rape culture.

It is like you people are going out of your way to prove me right (and yourselves morally bankrupt).

#109 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:03 PM | Reply

I think you have too broad a definition of "culture". Western culture is Victorian. Compare that to black culture, with eight times our rape rate, or Muslim or fundamentalist culture.

#110 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:03 PM | Reply

Careful Jeff, you just "proved" the SJW's "point" by making a clear rape joke...unless of course you think your wife's outfit tonight showed that she "deserved" it.

#108 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:01 PM | FLAG:

Another rape joke. Looks like you were lying in that earlier post.

#111 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:04 PM | Reply

I wish Dirk had been there to save me and crucify that horrible woman for what she did to me.

He actually would have lectured you on how you were a "partisan of the rape culture" by being able to maintain an -------- when you were unconscious, which is clearly a sign to the SJWs of the world of all that is wrong with men.

#112 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:04 PM | Reply

I think you have too broad a definition of "culture". Western culture is Victorian. Compare that to black culture, with eight times our rape rate, or Muslim or fundamentalist culture.

#110 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:03 PM | FLAG:

....what?

#113 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:04 PM | Reply

#111

Actually, that was not a rape joke...I was making fun of you.

#114 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:05 PM | Reply

He actually would have lectured you on how you were a "partisan of the rape culture" by being able to maintain an -------- when you were unconscious, which is clearly a sign to the SJWs of the world of all that is wrong with men.

#112 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:04 PM | FLAG:

Physiological response is not indicative of or a replacement for consent. See what I mean about your being part of the problem? Educate yourself.

#115 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:06 PM | Reply

Actually, that was not a rape joke...I was making fun of you.

#114 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:05 PM | FLAG:

...for calling someone out for making a rape joke. So you are, at the least, an enabler of rape jokes. And off the moral high ground you tumble.

#116 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:07 PM | Reply

Jeff and Righty seem to think the rules of consent change when one marries... because, you know, wives are property and all that.

#117 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:10 PM | Reply

....what?

#113 | Posted by DirkStruan

I'm pointing out that western culture is far less ----- than other cultures. Get the point? You're tilting at windmills attacking western culture, Comrade.

#118 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...for calling someone out for making a rape joke. So you are, at the least, an enabler of rape jokes. And off the moral high ground you tumble.

#116 | Posted by DirkStruan

Oh, the microaggression!

#119 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:13 PM | Reply

I'm pointing out that western culture is far less ----- than other cultures. Get the point? You're tilting at windmills attacking western culture, Comrade.

#118 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:11 PM | FLAG:

Fallacy of relative privation. Again.

And, again, it is about how many rapes occur, you barely literate dolt.

#120 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:16 PM | Reply

Oh, the microaggression!

#119 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:13 PM | FLAG:

Don't believe in those either, huh? What a shock.

#121 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:17 PM | Reply

#120: it is NOT about how many rapes
Occur (at least not just about that).

#122 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:17 PM | Reply

"I'm pointing out that western culture is far less ----- than other cultures."

What's the rape rate in Victorian England got to do with present day America, though?

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 06:22 PM | Reply

Okay. Dolt? That tears it, you communist moron.

Only 0.5% of white men in the western commit rape. How does this make us a "rape culture"? Maybe the culture you grew up in is is -----, but speak for yourself. I still think you are projecting.

#124 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:24 PM | Reply

Only 0.5% of white men in the western commit rape. How does this make us a "rape culture"? Maybe the culture you grew up in is is -----, but speak for yourself. I still think you are projecting.
#124 | Posted by HeliumRat at

1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime

nearly 1 in 2 are sexually assaulted

you do the math.

#125 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 06:25 PM | Reply

for calling someone out for making a rape joke.

No, for assigning positions to people without any basis in doing so.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:29 PM | Reply

The FBI says the rate of forcible rapes in 2011 was estimated at 52.7 per 100,000 female inhabitants.

How can you get 1 in 5 forcibly raped out of that?

ucr.fbi.gov

It sounds like feminist ------- to me.

#127 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:29 PM | Reply

Yeah, those women would have to live to be 1,000 to get 1 in 5. Do the odds.

#128 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:31 PM | Reply

Only 0.5% of white men in the western commit rape. How does this make us a "rape culture"? Maybe the culture you grew up in is is -----, but speak for yourself. I still think you are projecting.

#124 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:24 PM | FLAG:

You have yet to cite that claim. Nor does it have anything to do with how many rapes occur, let alone the broader question of rape culture (of which you have obviously no working understanding). To spell it out for you, yet again, you simple creature: rape culture is about more than how many rapes happen. It is about how they are dealt with by society. Rape culture is the triviloazatuo. Of rape, the failure to punish it or to teach people to recognize it or to try to prevent or to facilitate dealings with its consequences. It is the culture of denial and victim blaming, of letting young athletes rape and get off with a slap on the wrist so as to not jeopardize their careers, it is a dysfunctional understanding of consent that gets celebrated in dorm culture and in pop songs, it is the culture of turning rapes and sexual assaults into jokes or trivialities.

#129 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:32 PM | Reply

Yeah, your statistic is ---------.

#130 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:33 PM | Reply

No, for assigning positions to people without any basis in doing so.

#126 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:29 PM | FLAG:

What position did I assign? He made a rape joke: it is right there in black and white. No ascriptuon of motive necessary. Nor is one necessary to point out your own act of DEFENDING a rape joke.

#131 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:33 PM | Reply

Yeah, your statistic is ---------.

#130 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:33 PM | FLAG:

Based on what? Some FBI stat that you googled just now that only includes forcible rape, and reported forcible rape at that? Do better.

#132 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:35 PM | Reply

The FBI says the rate of forcible rapes in 2011 was estimated at 52.7 per 100,000 female inhabitants.

Simple math tells me that is .000527% of the female population reported a forcible rape in 2011. Let's say a majority of rapes (101% more) are never reported. That's still .001056% of the entire female population of the United States. Hardly the numbers of a "rape culture."

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:37 PM | Reply

#129 Where in western culture is rape trivialized? Where? In popular music? Really? I haven't heard that. Jocks and dorm culture? I suppose you have a single example.

#134 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:37 PM | Reply

The FBI says the rate of forcible rapes in 2011 was estimated at 52.7 per 100,000 female inhabitants.
How can you get 1 in 5 forcibly raped out of that?
ucr.fbi.gov
It sounds like feminist ------- to me.
#127 | Posted by HeliumRat

forcible rapes are a small portion
19.3 percent of women are raped in their lifetime

oh and btw

s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com

#135 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How to get 1 in 5 from 52.7 per 100000 per year?

Simple, you just wait many years.

Given that prevalence 1% of women are raped by age 20, 2% by age 39, 3% by age 58.

If 3% of women were killed by Muslim terrorists by age 58, you would call it widespread, prevalent, and demanding of a national and societal response.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Simple math tells me that is .000527% of the female population reported a forcible rape in 2011. Let's say a majority of rapes (101% more) are never reported. That's still .001056% of the entire female population of the United States. Hardly the numbers of a "rape culture."
#133 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:37 PM | FLAG:

Already addressed. Repeatedly. Reading is fundamental.

#137 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:38 PM | Reply

It is the culture of denial and victim blaming, of letting young politicians rape and get off with a slap on the wrist so as to not jeopardize their careers.

Sounds exactly like what your candidate for POTUS was accused of doing, not that you would ever address that directly.

#138 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:40 PM | Reply

"#129 Where in western culture is rape trivialized? Where? In popular music? Really? I haven't heard that. Jocks and dorm culture? I suppose you have a single example."

Yes. Many. See post #16.

#139 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:40 PM | Reply

Sounds exactly like what your candidate for POTUS was accused of doing, not that you would ever address that directly.
#138 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:40 PM | FLAG:

Deflectors to full from the rape joke apologist.

#140 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:41 PM | Reply

#140

Still waiting....

#141 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:42 PM | Reply

#140
Still waiting....

#141 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:42 PM | FLAG:

Yeah? Me too: for a response to the actual matter at issue: the existence of rape culture. Of course, your actions already show YOUR position.

#142 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:45 PM | Reply

Rape Culture doesn't require committing rape.....

13 reasons why a conversation about rape culture is as important as one about suicide

www.usatoday.com

Sounds like some people here don't have daughters, given their lack of any concern unless there is an actual rape.

#143 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#142 I am NOT a member of RAPE CULTURE, that is made up Marxist feminist --------! And nobody here is!

#144 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:48 PM | Reply

#142

I guess my "actions" show that I think your SJW crusade is hilarious.

How do you reconcile Hillary's blaming the victims when Bill Clinton was accused of rape as the AG of Arkansas with your vote for her?

Pretty simple question Boyd.

#145 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe they will actually read YOUR link...

#146 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:48 PM | Reply

#143 Thinks we have a have a "suicide culture". Thanks for making my point. "Just as important...."

#147 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:49 PM | Reply

"I guess my "actions" show that I think your SJW crusade is hilarious."

Hey, remember when you said you didn't joke about rape and then a few posts later defended someone who did?

#148 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:50 PM | Reply

#142 I am NOT a member of RAPE CULTURE, that is made up Marxist feminist --------! And nobody here is!

#144 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:48 PM | FLAG:

Sure you are. And your denial helps it flourish. Are you proud?

#149 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:51 PM | Reply

Hey, did you notice that we posted at the exact same time, and I was making fun of you assigning positions to others?

Guess not.

#150 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:51 PM | Reply

#148 Did he rape anybody?

#151 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:51 PM | Reply

Still waiting on 145 Boyd...

#152 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:52 PM | Reply

#143 Thinks we have a have a "suicide culture". Thanks for making my point. "Just as important...."

#147 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:49 PM | FLAG:

Suicide is another issue that needs to be discussed more, yes. That is not necessarily the same as having a suicide culture.'

#153 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:52 PM | Reply

*crickets*

#154 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:52 PM | Reply

Now that the Pantsuit Warrior has dipped his toe in the waters in #143, maybe he can answer my question about his demigoddess for you Boyd, since it seems to drive you into your safe space.

#155 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:54 PM | Reply

#150 It's pointless to argue with the victims of communism. The white Christian heterosexual male is the oppressor in their bible.

#156 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:54 PM | Reply

*glancing at watch*

#157 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:54 PM | Reply

*whistling*

#158 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 06:55 PM | Reply

A 2011 report by the AAUW found that nearly half of middle and high school students surveyed experienced some form of sexual harassment -- unwanted sexual behavior that includes verbal or written comments, gestures, displaying pictures or images, or physical coercion -- in the 2010–11 school year. Most (87%) of those students said it had a negative effect on them. Sexual harassment by text, email, Facebook, or other electronic means affected nearly one-third of students.

Research from the University of Kent shows there is a direct relation between the sexual objectification of girls and aggression towards them, and that the objectification-aggression link can start as early as the teenage years.

The CDC has documented a Bully-Sexual Violence Pathway, showing that as early as middle school, a pathway forms along which bullies transform into sexual harassers and age into perpetrators of sexual violence.

"Stalking is a pattern of repeated and unwanted attention, harassment, contact, or any other course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear," according to the Department of Justice.

In the United States, the CDC reports an estimated 15.2% of women have experienced stalking during their lifetimes that made them feel very fearful or made them believe that they or someone close to them would be harmed or killed.

According to RAINN, seven out of 10 rapes are committed by someone the victim knows. Sexual assaults of those under age 18 are committed by someone the victim knows 93% of the time.

The National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC) says that "people in a bystander role often describe feeling scared, alone, and afraid to say or do something in the face of violence." The center's evidence shows bystanders can have a powerful impact on sexual violence prevention.

According to the NSVRC, 63% of sexual assaults go unreported; 0.6% of rapists are incarcerated, RAINN reports.

According to the NSVRC, 81% of women report significant short-term or long-term impacts such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), which increases the risk of alcohol abuse. Victims of sexual assault are 13 times more likely to abuse alcohol.

Rape costs survivors stress, trust, sleep and about $122,000

Research shows that a perpetrator's "exaggerated sense of self-importance may facilitate their ability to rationalize their behavior."

Among students who were sexually harassed in AAUW's 2011 study, only about 9% reported the incident to a teacher, guidance counselor or other adult at school, while just one-quarter of them said they talked about it with parents or family members (including siblings). Only about one-quarter spoke with friends.

www.usatoday.com

Of course, it is a fact of psychology that most misogynists don't know that they are... which would explain some of the posts here.

#159 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 06:55 PM | Reply

Hey, did you notice that we posted at the exact same time, and I was making fun of you assigning positions to others?
Guess not.

#150 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 06:51 PM | FLAG:

No you weren't. You were making fun of my calling someone out for a rape joke. That is a defense of a rape joke. So much for your delusions of virtue, huh?

The thing is, no one believes your "I was making fun of you assigning positions to people." Because I didn't assign a position to anyone in that post. I said "hey look, you are joking about rape." And you? You rushed to the culprit's defense, like the guardian of rape culture you truly are. Right after crowing about how, oh no, YOU would NEVER put up with that sort of thing and oh, how DARE I claim otherwise? It would be funny if it weren't so disturbing.

#160 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#155

You mean your Deflection by anecdote? Not necessary, it's self-retorting.

#161 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 06:57 PM | Reply

#158 Hey Rightocenter, I'll give you a hint: it's called rape culture.

#162 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's not a deflection Corky, Boyd brought it up in #35 ("look at who you vote for") yet now won't reconcile his own vote for someone who blamed victims directly and was an apologist for an accused rapist.

Can't have it both ways.

#163 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Viewing consent as optional: yet another example of rape culture."

I agree. One where men are less a victim than women under similar circumstances.

Men like me represent the greatest victims of rape culture.

#164 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 07:00 PM | Reply

#150 It's pointless to argue with the victims of communism. The white Christian heterosexual male is the oppressor in their bible.

#156 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 06:54 PM | FLAG:

No response to my links, huh? I thought not. Cover your eyes and plug your ears and pretend rape culture doesn't exist, like you always do. Just know that doing so makes you complicit.

#165 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:01 PM | Reply

Because I didn't assign a position to anyone in that post.

No but you certainly did in a dozen other posts.

You rushed to the culprit's defense, like the guardian of rape culture you truly are.

Another assigned position.

Truly disturbing how easy that is for you, yet you won't answer a simple question about your vote for POTUS.

#166 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:02 PM | Reply

#164

A misogynist who knows he is.... an oddity.

#167 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 07:03 PM | Reply

It's not a deflection Corky, Boyd brought it up in #35 ("look at who you vote for") yet now won't reconcile his own vote for someone who blamed victims directly and was an apologist for an accused rapist.
Can't have it both ways.

#163 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:00 PM | FLAG:

No one is arguing people of all political striapes participate in rape culture. Only one side endorses it in their party platform.

#168 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:03 PM | Reply

"Another assigned position."

Nope. A description of your act.

#169 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:04 PM | Reply

No one is arguing people of all political striapes participate in rape culture.

So you are admitting that you willingly voted for a participant in rape culture?

#170 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:05 PM | Reply

"I agree. One where men are less a victim than women under similar circumstances."

Strawman.

#171 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you are admitting that you willingly voted for a participant in rape culture?

#170 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:05 PM | FLAG:

Deflection.

#172 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:06 PM | Reply

Not a deflection, a very simple question that you are clearly answering in the affirmative by your unwillingness to answer it at all.

#174 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:07 PM | Reply

"No but you certainly did in a dozen other posts."

If I have mischaracterized your position on anything, you've had every chance to correct me.

For all the good it will do you: your actions speak for themselves.

#175 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:08 PM | Reply

"Men like me represent the greatest victims of rape culture."

MadBomber, you were forcibly raped, or was it some other kind?

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 07:09 PM | Reply

Not a deflection, a very simple question that you are clearly answering in the affirmative by your unwillingness to answer it at all.

#174 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:07 PM | FLAG:

Now who is assigning positions.

You are getting desperate. It would amuse me... if not for what you represent...

#177 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:09 PM | Reply

Boyd, I am not the one who won't answer a simple question...

#178 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:10 PM | Reply

Boyd, I am not the one who won't answer a simple question...

#178 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:10 PM | FLAG:

No. You are the one who will not address the topic of the thread. I wonder why?

#179 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:14 PM | Reply

Today we have learned that Hillary supporters are part of the the rape culture. Good enough.

#173 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 07:

So you believe in rape culture, then?

#181 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:15 PM | Reply

Now who is assigning positions.

No, it's actually a Jury Instruction:

If you feel a witness is willfully and repeatedly refusing to answer a question that he/she can answer, you may construe an answer to that question against the witnesses stated position.

Just following the law, Boyd.

#182 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:15 PM | Reply

"Today we have learned that Hillary supporters are part of the the rape culture."

When you're a star, you can get away with it!

#183 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 07:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#183 Now that's more like it Snoofy!

#184 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:19 PM | Reply

#183

FF! TrumpRat's Dear Leader did.

#185 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 07:19 PM | Reply

I think we can all agree that people in positions of power (politicians, actors, athletes, musicians, billionaires) feel that they are somehow entitled to be more than a little -----, but that doesn't mean that everyone feels that way...most people I know would never feel that any kind of sexual assault is even remotely acceptable.

#186 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:19 PM | Reply

No, it's actually a Jury Instruction:
If you feel a witness is willfully and repeatedly refusing to answer a question that he/she can answer, you may construe an answer to that question against the witnesses stated position.
Just following the law, Boyd.

#182 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:15 PM | FLAG:

Too rich. What, then, can I infer about your refusal to engage the topic of the thread?

Not that I need to infer anything. You have already shown yourself to be a defender of rape culture. Nor do you acknowledge it even exists.

#187 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:20 PM | Reply

It's like Epstein and his island full of kiddies. If your rich or powerful, you can be a rapist!

So how is that a common culture?

#188 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:20 PM | Reply

I think we can all agree that people in positions of power (politicians, actors, athletes, musicians, billionaires) feel that they are somehow entitled to be more than a little -----, but that doesn't mean that everyone feels that way...most people I know would never feel that any kind of sexual assault is even remotely acceptable.

#186 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:19 PM | FLAG:

And yet, they participate in rape culture all the same. Cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing.

#189 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:21 PM | Reply

So how is that a common culture?

#188 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 07:20 PM | FLAG: 188 posts in, still doesn't know what rape culture is

How did your brain learn human speech?

#190 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

..most people I know

Anecdote has never been evidence. Actual evidence of the rape culture has been provided here, but some rodents are too ignorant to even acknowledge that it exists.

#191 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 07:22 PM | Reply

Actually, Boyd, the one place that I think accusations of a "rape culture" are valid is in Hollywood, the "casting couch" is still very much a real thing (for both women and men), which underscores how power corrupts. Young actors are so desperate to land a gig that they literally will do anything to get one, and the agents, producers and financiers know it and capitalize on it.

It's pretty disgusting that it even still exists in this day and age, especially since 90% of those people claim to be progressive liberals.

#192 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-14 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#189 I don't know any common Americans that act like that.

#193 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:24 PM | Reply

Seriously, I'll bet ROC doesn't know anyone who "approves of racism" either.... and yet he surely knows at least a few racists.

#194 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:24 PM | Reply

#190

He's actually a raven. Ravin' crazy.

#195 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-14 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If "rape culture" exists in western society, it's pretty safe to assume it's limited to the elite.

#196 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:26 PM | Reply

Actually, Boyd, the one place that I think accusations of a "rape culture" are valid is in Hollywood, the "casting couch" is still very much a real thing (for both women and men), which underscores how power corrupts. Young actors are so desperate to land a gig that they literally will do anything to get one, and the agents, producers and financiers know it and capitalize on it.
It's pretty disgusting that it even still exists in this day and age, especially since 90% of those people claim to be progressive liberals.

#192 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-14 07:23 PM | FLAG:

How convenient! The only place you think rape culture exists is a haven of progressivism! Your intellectual dishonesty is truly astounding.

Still, it is a start: what you describe is Avery real problem. So you can't extend that reasoning to, say, the corporate world in general? Or address any of the myriad examples of rape culture already cited?

#197 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:27 PM | Reply

If "rape culture" exists in western society, it's pretty safe to assume it's limited to the elite.

#196 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 07:26 PM | FLAG:

Multiple examples to the contrary...

#198 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:28 PM | Reply

And the elite also happen to be psychopaths.

#199 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:29 PM | Reply

"Only 0.5% of white men in the western commit rape."

Per year? Lifetime? How many rapes
does each commit, per year or lifetime?

So anyway, with about 100M white men in America, there's about 500,000 rapists.

Meanwhile, there is only about 250,000 people incarcerated for sexual assault including rape. And certainly not all are white men.

So we can conclude that most of these white male rapists run free among us.

#200 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 07:29 PM | Reply

And the elite also happen to be psychopaths.

#199 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 07:29 PM | FLAG:

Even if this were true, who enables them?

#201 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:30 PM | Reply

#198 Not everybody is an alpha male Bill Clinton.

#202 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:30 PM | Reply

Actually, Boyd, the one place that I think accusations of a "rape culture" are valid is in Hollywood ...

To claim that there's only a rape culture in Hollywood is dumb.

Look at Baylor and what football players got away with there for years. Still think it's only Hollywood?

Look at the Catholic church and what priests got away with there for years. Still think it's only Hollywood?

Look at Dennis Hastert and the other Congress members who were sexual predators. Still think it's only Hollywood?

Look at Penn State and what Joe Paterno and other officials did to protect Jerry Sandusky. Still think it's only Hollywood?

Look at Bill Cosby and all the accusers who came forward. Look at Donald Trump and all of his accusers.

Still think ... No, wait. Those two are Hollywood.

#203 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-14 07:31 PM | Reply

#201 They enable themselves, through their own natural vehicle, hiding in plain sight. Separating them out from the good guys is the hard job.

#204 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:32 PM | Reply

And let's not even get into the world of professional athletics.

#205 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:33 PM | Reply

Wouldn't you agree that's a different culture, and not common culture?

#206 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 07:43 PM | Reply

And let's not even get into the world of professional athletics.

Then there was the ever present football player-rapist,
They were all in love with dyin', they were doin' it in Texas.

~-------- Surfers--"Pepper"

#207 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wouldn't you agree that's a different culture, and not common culture?

#206 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 07:43 PM | FLAG:

I feel like you are quibbling. I know culture is complex and there is a sense in which it might be more accurate to say there are rape cultureS (plural). But these things bleed over into different areas of life.

And I definitely don't agree with any effort to ascribe rape culture solely to some depraved elite. Did you read my links? It is all over the place (yes, even in pop music).

#208 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 07:54 PM | Reply

I'm heading out for the evening. I may grab my wife's....er....sexually assault my wife as I open the car door for her.
#99 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:56 PM | FLAG:
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Jokes about sexual assault: another instance of rape culture in action.

#107 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I was poking fun at those promulgating the concept of 'rape culture' would regard my slapping my wife's butt as 'sexual assault'.

I intended it as a good-natured joke.

Words and definitions matter. 'Rape' has a very specific meaning. 'Sexual assault' has a much broader meaning but conjures up images that are inconsistent with dancing with a chick, reading the situation wrong and planting a kiss on her that she didn't want.
#96 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 05:51 PM | FLAG:
Hey look everyone: Jeff is quibbling over definitions AND trivializing sexual assault all in one post! What a great example of rape culture in action. Remember guys, sexual assault is just something you can trip and fall into... like being in a fender bender.

Calling an uninvited kiss 'sexual assault' is ridiculous.

Jeff and Righty seem to think the rules of consent change when one marries... because, you know, wives are property and all that.

#117 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

How many straw men is that now? 30? 31?

#209 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 08:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I was poking fun at those promulgating the concept of 'rape culture' would regard my slapping my wife's butt as 'sexual assault'.
I intended it as a good-natured joke."

Your intent doesn't matter: your words do. Joking about sexual assault is part of rape culture. And the rules of consent don't change just because the woman involved happens to be your wife.

"Calling an uninvited kiss 'sexual assault' is ridiculous."

Because you say so? You also don't seem to realize sexual assault against a spouse is a thing, so to hell with your opinion on the subject.

#210 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:01 PM | Reply

Your intent doesn't matter: your words do. Joking about sexual assault is part of rape culture. And the rules of consent don't change just because the woman involved happens to be your wife.

I wasn't joking about sexual assault. I was making fun of sallies like you who seem to think that when I slap my wife's butt I just committed sexual assault.

"Calling an uninvited kiss 'sexual assault' is ridiculous."
Because you say so? You also don't seem to realize sexual assault against a spouse is a thing, so to hell with your opinion on the subject.

You may be the most uptight, and most heavily invested in SJW dogma, person I have ever encountered. So much so that you erected yet another strawman.

BTW - I did slap my wife's butt before we went to dinner tonight. I didn't do it holding the car door open for her though. We ended up taking her car, which we keep in the garage. If I had held the door open for her the door would have blocked my access to her butt, so I slapped her butt when she was in the laundry room putting on her sandals. I guess, according to you, I am guilty of sexual assault and am perpetuating rape culture.

#211 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:09 PM | Reply

The Evolution Control Committee--"Rocked by Rape"

#212 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 09:12 PM | Reply

"I wasn't joking about sexual assault."

Sure you were. By suggesting that it is laughable to suggest that such an act could be sexual assault. This, of course, also reveals your disrurbing attitudes towards consent: why would it be laughable to suppose the act was assault? Because the person acted upon is your spouse. Surely even you can tease out the implications of that.

"So much so that you erected yet another strawman."

...by pointing out the implications of what you just said and have now repeated? Your understanding of strawmen is clearly as faulty as your understanding of
consent.

#213 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:16 PM | Reply

"Calling an uninvited kiss 'sexual assault' is ridiculous"

So if I kissed you, what exactly would you call it?

#214 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:16 PM | Reply

Follow-up question what would you call it if I slapped your wife's butt.

#215 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:18 PM | Reply

214

Apparently it would depend on whether you'd had the bad sense to marry him first...

#216 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:19 PM | Reply

*These are paraphrased from memory:

Taggert: I got it, I got it!!! We'll work up a number 6 on them!

Lamar: Number 6...I'm not familiar with that.

Taggert: That's where we go riding into town a whomping and a whupping everyone within an inch of their lives; except the womenfolk, of course.

Lamar: You spare the women?

Tagget: Nah, we rape the ---- out of them at the number 6 dance that night!

*and*

Lamar: Qualifications?

Thug: Rape, murder, arson and rape.

Lamar: You said rape twice.

Thug: I like rape.

Lamar: He'll do.

#217 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:19 PM | Reply

"I was poking fun at those promulgating the concept of 'rape culture' would regard my slapping my wife's butt as 'sexual assault'.
I intended it as a good-natured joke."

Not a joke, not good natured.

#218 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pretty sure JeffJ has no illusions about who wears the pants in his marriage.

It's the Trump voter.

#219 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:23 PM | Reply

"Calling an uninvited kiss 'sexual assault' is ridiculous"
----
So if I kissed you, what exactly would you call it?

#214 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'd call it gross.

Follow-up question what would you call it if I slapped your wife's butt.

#215 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I would call you a dick.

Not a joke, not good natured.

#218 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It was a joke. And it was good-natured. I was poking fun at classifying my slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault. Only an uptight SJW warrior would take offense to it.

#220 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:23 PM | Reply

Pretty sure JeffJ has no illusions about who wears the pants in his marriage.
It's the Trump voter.

#219 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's summer. I wear shorts and my wife typically wears shorts or capris.

We even had intercourse last night - kids being gone and all that - is that rape culture?

#221 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:24 PM | Reply

I didn't ask what you would call me.
I asked what would you call the act.
Do you have an answer?

#222 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:25 PM | Reply

Don't be obtuse. The issue is you don't really want to stop them. You want them to get away with it.

#28 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

What a self-righteous, disgusting -----.

#223 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-14 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I would call the act a dick move, as in, you'd be a dick for doing it.

#224 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:26 PM | Reply

"Only an uptight SJW warrior would take offense to it."

So it was purposed to offend.
And that's why it wasn't good natured.

#225 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:26 PM | Reply

Bill Cosby slipping roofies in drinks was a dick move too.

Your answers... are not responsive to my questions. They are cop-outs.

You can do better, but you just don't want to. Sad!

#226 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:29 PM | Reply

What a self-righteous, disgusting -----.

#223 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2017-07-14 09:25 PM | FLAG:

Did I hit a nerve? Look at Jeff, busily mansplaining away as many types of sexual assault as he can.

#227 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:30 PM | Reply

"Only an uptight SJW warrior would take offense to it."
So it was purposed to offend.
And that's why it wasn't good natured.

#225 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If someone took offense to it, then they got what they deserved. If you take offense to me poking fun at the classification of me slapping my wife's butt as 'sexual assault' then you are wound WAY too tight. I didn't realize Dirk was wound so tight and is so invested in SJW dogma that he'd be offended by my joke.

#228 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:30 PM | Reply

"I was poking fun at classifying my slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault."

And why couldn't it be?

#229 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:31 PM | Reply

JPW while I see what you're saying, what better explanation do you have for thousands of rape kits that have never been processed in America?

#230 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:31 PM | Reply

We even had intercourse last night - kids being gone and all that - is that rape culture?

#221 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:24 PM | FLAG:

Was it consensual?

#231 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:32 PM | Reply

"If someone took offense to it, then they got what they deserved"

You're doubling down on not being good natured.

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:33 PM | Reply

Bill Cosby slipping roofies in drinks was a dick move too.
Your answers... are not responsive to my questions. They are cop-outs.
You can do better, but you just don't want to. Sad!

#226 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Ah yes. Because slipping a chick a date rape drug and slapping her ass without consent are perfectly equivalent. Don't be a jackass.

Did I hit a nerve? Look at Jeff, busily mansplaining away as many types of sexual assault as he can.

#227 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I hate to break it to you, but me slapping my wife's butt is not sexual assault. That you think it is suggests to me that you have never been in a serious relationship with a woman or, as was suggested above, you are a predator (or have predatory thoughts) and are projecting.

#233 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:33 PM | Reply

"If someone took offense to it, then they got what they deserved."

Oh look. Victim blaming. In case we needed more proof of what sort of person old Jeffy really is.

#234 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:33 PM | Reply

Was it consensual?

#231 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Yes. In fact, she initiated it.

"I was poking fun at classifying my slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault."
-----
And why couldn't it be?

#229 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Because it wasn't.

#235 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"Ah yes. Because slipping a chick a date rape drug and slapping her ass without consent are perfectly equivalent. Don't be a jackass."

Easy to see why the comparison upsets you: the difference is of degree and not of kind.

#236 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"If you take offense to me poking fun at the classification of me slapping my wife's butt as 'sexual assault'"

I take offense at your pretending consensual sexual conduct is assault.

Maybe you think false rape claims are funny too. I don't.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because it wasn't.

#235 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:34 PM | FLAG:

But why couldn't it be? Why would it be absurd to think that it was? Be specific.

#238 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:36 PM | Reply

"Because slipping a chick a date rape drug and slapping her ass without consent are perfectly equivalent."

They are both assault.
You seem to not be able to recognize that fact.

#239 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:36 PM | Reply

"If someone took offense to it, then they got what they deserved."
----
Oh look. Victim blaming. In case we needed more proof of what sort of person old Jeffy really is.

#234 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

This is getting funny. That you fancy yourself a "victim" over my joke is truly risible.

#240 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:36 PM | Reply

JeffJ you fancy him a victim too.
In fact you said he deserved to be a victim.

#241 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because slipping a chick a date rape drug and slapping her ass without consent are perfectly equivalent."
They are both assault.
You seem to not be able to recognize that fact.

#239 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You know what? Slapping someone across the face and beating someone within an inch of their lives are also both assault. But they are NOT the same thing. Not even close.

#242 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:38 PM | Reply

"This is getting funny."

So, if you use, say, an ethnic slur against someone, and they get offended, it is their fault for getting offended, right? Do you even think before you post?

#243 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:38 PM | Reply

JeffJ you fancy him a victim too.
In fact you said he deserved to be a victim.

#241 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

He's not a victim, he's a sally, as is anyone who took offense to my joke. People who get offended by just about everything aren't victims.

#244 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:39 PM | Reply

You know what? Slapping someone across the face and beating someone within an inch of their lives are also both assault. But they are NOT the same thing. Not even close.

#242 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:38 PM | FLAG:

Shall we treat the point as conceded then? Slapping a woman's posterior IS, indeed, assault, in spite of your prior claims?

#245 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:40 PM | Reply

So, if you use, say, an ethnic slur against someone, and they get offended, it is their fault for getting offended, right? Do you even think before you post?

#243 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

You may be worse at drawing equivalences than Snoofy, and that is really hard to do.

To equate me poking fun at classifying slapping my wife's butt with sexual assault with an ethnic slur is just plain ridiculous.

#246 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:41 PM | Reply

"But they are NOT the same thing."

They exist on the same continuum.

Someone who slaps asses or grabs ------- now, and gets away with it, perhaps because they are a star, well, you know where this is going.

#247 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:41 PM | Reply

244

Ah, so the person who gets offended is indeed to blame for getting offended in Jeff's twisted world. If he accepts one form of victim blaming...

#248 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:42 PM | Reply

To equate me poking fun at classifying slapping my wife's butt with sexual assault with an ethnic slur is just plain ridiculous.

#246 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:41 PM | FLAG:

Why? Because you say so?

#249 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:43 PM | Reply

"To equate me poking fun at classifying slapping my wife's butt with sexual assault"

Give me the whole spiel again, except this time it's me slapping your wife's ass.

Does that change anything?

#250 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:44 PM | Reply

You know what? Slapping someone across the face and beating someone within an inch of their lives are also both assault. But they are NOT the same thing. Not even close.
#242 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:38 PM | FLAG:
Shall we treat the point as conceded then? Slapping a woman's posterior IS, indeed, assault, in spite of your prior claims?

#245 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

First off, it's only 'assault' if it's unwanted. So, in most cases, it's not even assault. Secondly, it's a matter of degree. Doing 5 over and doing 50 over are both speeding, but they are not the same thing in terms of degree. That's why Snoofy's date-rape drug equivalence is so ridiculous.

#251 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:44 PM | Reply

Jefe a woman could find getting a slap on the ass as a very aggressive attack.

If you can't understand that you are an -------

#252 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JeffJ, if it's true that Trump forcibly penetrated Ivana without her consent, do you consider that rape?

Or do you not, because according to NJ law at the time, a husband cannot rape his wife? (Law since changed.)

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:46 PM | Reply

Give me the whole spiel again, except this time it's me slapping your wife's ass.
----
Does that change anything?

#250 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're smart, but not smart enough to go all Socratic Method. Don't ask stupid questions.

In my joke, I didn't say I was going to slap some random chick's ass, I said I was going to slap my wife's ass (and I did just that - she's wearing a pair of red capris that fit her very nicely and she giggled when I smacked her).

#254 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:46 PM | Reply

JeffJ, do you consider a culture in which but definition a husband cannot rape his wife a rape culture?

#255 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:47 PM | Reply

"First off, it's only 'assault' if it's unwanted. So, in most cases, it's not even assault."

No one disputes this.

"Secondly, it's a matter of degree. Doing 5 over and doing 50 over are both speeding, but they are not the same thing in terms of degree. That's why Snoofy's date-rape drug equivalence is so ridiculous."

So you ARE conceding that it is still assault, that the difference is of degree and not kind. Progress!

#256 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:48 PM | Reply

JeffJ, if it's true that Trump forcibly penetrated Ivana without her consent, do you consider that rape?

Yes. Men can, and do, rape their wives and it's every bit as horrible as a man raping a stranger.

Jefe a woman could find getting a slap on the ass as a very aggressive attack.
If you can't understand that you are an -------

#252 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Of course I understand that.

#257 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:48 PM | Reply

"In my joke, I didn't say I was going to slap some random chick's ass, I said I was going to slap my wife's ass (and I did just that - she's wearing a pair of red capris that fit her very nicely and she giggled when I smacked her)."

Jokes have punchlines.

This is just an anecdote where nothing out of the ordinary transpired.

#258 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:49 PM | Reply

"In my joke, I didn't say I was going to slap some random chick's ass, I said I was going to slap my wife's ass"

Again, why is it laughable for us to suppose that your doing so would be assault?

#259 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:49 PM | Reply

So you ARE conceding that it is still assault, that the difference is of degree and not kind. Progress!

#256 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

We are all adults here (I think). I thought that was mutually understood.

#260 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:49 PM | Reply

Jefe a woman could find getting a slap on the ass as a very aggressive attack.
If you can't understand that you are an -------
#252 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS
Of course I understand that.
#257 | Posted by JeffJ

Then maybe you should reconsider your sense of humor as your target audience may have sensitivities to this sort of thing

you getting it yet?

#261 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 09:50 PM | Reply

"Yes. Men can, and do, rape their wives and it's every bit as horrible as a man raping a stranger."

More progress! Now, look back at your joke....

#262 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:50 PM | Reply

We are all adults here (I think). I thought that was mutually understood.

#260 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:49 PM | FLAG:

You weren't saying this initially, Jeff.

#263 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:51 PM | Reply

Again, why is it laughable for us to suppose that your doing so would be assault?

#259 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Because we are married (going on 21 years, BTW) and a slapping a spouse's butt is a common occurrence.

#264 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:51 PM | Reply

"Yes. Men can, and do, rape their wives and it's every bit as horrible as a man raping a stranger."

So New Jersey was a rape culture until they changed their law so that next time Ivana could pursue a rape charge?

Perhaps "was" is too strong.
Is "New Jersey fostered a rape culture" accepable to you?

#265 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:52 PM | Reply

You weren't saying this initially, Jeff.

#263 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Actually, I was. If you misconstrued it then I guess that's on me for not being clear enough.

#266 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:52 PM | Reply

Because we are married (going on 21 years, BTW) and a slapping a spouse's butt is a common occurrence.

#264 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:51 PM | FLAG:

Now see? This is what is disturbing: that we should assume it is consensual (to the point where it would be LAUGHABLE to suppose otherwise) JUST because of the fact that you are married.

#267 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:53 PM | Reply

Nothing fostering a 'rape culture' is acceptable to me.

Again, stop with the Socratic nonsense.

#268 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:53 PM | Reply

Now see? This is what is disturbing: that we should assume it is consensual (to the point where it would be LAUGHABLE to suppose otherwise) JUST because of the fact that you are married.

#267 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Are you married? That's not a 'gotcha' and I'm not going all Socratic. The answer to my question will determine my response to #267.

#269 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:55 PM | Reply

Then maybe you should reconsider your sense of humor as your target audience may have sensitivities to this sort of thing
you getting it yet?

#261 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

To which I would respond, "Lighten up, Francis."

#270 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:57 PM | Reply

Jefe is almost there.

Rape jokes are offensive and hurtful to rape and assault victims

The conjecture is that these types of jokes are part of a culture that lessens the severity and impacts the perceptions of rape and sexual assault.

Consider the use of the "N" word, society is coming around the understanding of the negative impacts of that word and rightfully its usage is significantly diminishing. Compare that to the rape culture as embodied by rape jokes and delegitimizing rape and sexual assault victims. The parallels are clear. Saying the "N" word is offensive to African Americans. Making rape jokes is offensive to rape victims.

Get it yet?

#271 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 09:57 PM | Reply

86, 96, 209

I am not sure how else to read your comments so far...

#272 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:58 PM | Reply

There remains the technique of interrogation:

In this, the first thing is to know your witness.

A timid witness can be terrorized, a fool deceived,
the irascible provoked, the ambitious flattered,
the long-winded encouraged in his prolixity.

The sensible and steady witness must be either:
(1) sent away at once as hostile and obstinate,
(2) refuted by a brief intervention from the defending advocate rather than by an interrogation,
(3) if the chance presents itself, discomfited by some witty observation, or
(4) destroyed by the scandal of his offences, if anything can be brought against his way of life.

It has proved useful to show restraint in attacking honest and modest witnesses, because people who would have fought back against an onslaught are often mollified by courtesy.

--Marcus Fabius Quintilianus

#273 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 09:58 PM | Reply

"Are you married?"

Was Donald married to Ivana?
And yet you agree, Donald raped Ivana.

#274 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 09:58 PM | Reply

To which I would respond, "Lighten up, Francis."
#270 | Posted by JeffJ

Nice victim blaming there jefe

#275 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 09:58 PM | Reply

To which I would respond, "Lighten up, Francis."

#270 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:57 PM | FLAG:

Because they are to blame for getting offended? Very disturbing...

#276 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 09:59 PM | Reply

Get it yet?

#271 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I would get it if I actually made a rape joke. But I didn't, so...

#277 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:59 PM | Reply

"Are you married?"
Was Donald married to Ivana?
And yet you agree, Donald raped Ivana.

#274 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which has nothing to do with why I asked the question.

#278 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 09:59 PM | Reply

"Nothing fostering a 'rape culture' is acceptable to me."

I didn't ask if it was acceptable.
I asked if NJ was one, or fostered one.
What's your answer?

#279 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:00 PM | Reply

I would get it if I actually made a rape joke. But I didn't, so...

#277 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 09:59 PM | FLAG:

You made a sexual assault joke. Quibbling again?

#280 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 10:02 PM | Reply

I'm heading out for the evening. I may grab my wife's....er....sexually assault my wife as I open the car door for her.
#99 | Posted by JeffJ

This is a sexual assault joke, jefe

#281 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 10:02 PM | Reply

What do 9 out of 10 people enjoy?
Gang rape.

JeffJ that was pretty funny, right?

#282 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:02 PM | Reply

I'm heading out for the evening. I may grab my wife's....er....sexually assault my wife as I open the car door for her.
#99 | Posted by JeffJ

Do you think that a wife that had been the victim of spousal sexual assault or rape would find that joke funny? Can your world view conceive of why people found Trump so onerous when the ----- grabbing tapes came out?

#283 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#281 presents what we call Compelling Evidence.

JeffJ's whole shtick here relies on the assumption of consent between husband and wife.

Which dovetails nicely with Donald and Ivana.

#284 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:04 PM | Reply

This is a sexual assault joke, jefe

#281 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

No, it isn't. I was poking fun at the notion of classifying me slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault.

I seem to recall you stating that you are married. When you slap your wife's butt are you assaulting her? Does she feel like you are assaulting her? Would you ever do it if you thought she regarded it as assault?

Can we all get real here? Please?

#285 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 10:05 PM | Reply

What do 9 out of 10 people enjoy?
Gang rape.
JeffJ that was pretty funny, right?

Yes, it was. It made me think of an anecdote Chairborne provided years ago. He was playing a party game with his wife and a few friends. One of the questions was, "if you could wear one article of clothing during sex, what would you choose?" His answer? "A ski mask."

#286 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 10:07 PM | Reply

"I was poking fun at the notion of classifying me slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault."

We know.
Now do Donald and Ivana.

#287 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:07 PM | Reply

"I was poking fun at the notion of classifying me slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault."

What is funny about that, Jeff? Why is the suggestion absurd?

#288 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 10:08 PM | Reply

Can we all get real here? Please?

#285 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-14 10:05 PM | FLAG:

I think most of us already are. Care to join us?

#289 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 10:09 PM | Reply

#285 Its hard to characterize your joke as not a sexual assault joke, when you have sexual assault in the joke.

You are completely missing the point. By degrading the notion of sexual assault, including the implications of what Trump said in his tapes, you are denigrating the real problem of sexual assault. It makes it easier to just laugh off accusations of spousal sexual abuse. Oh cant happen, just a love tap between spouses.

I'm divorced but if I had slapped my exe's ass when she didn't want it, it would have been assault. And btw I was very conscious of touching my wife in our marriage because of trauma that been inflicted on her in previous relationships.

#290 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 10:11 PM | Reply

"#285 Its hard to characterize your joke as not a sexual assault joke, when you have sexual assault in the joke."

Just when we were making progress, now JeffJ will have to bow out.

Use the kid gloves once in a while, wouldya?

#291 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:16 PM | Reply

sorry truth hurts donut

#292 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 10:17 PM | Reply

We know.
Now do Donald and Ivana.

#287 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Apples and oranges.

Slapping a spouse's ass and forcibly raping a spouse don't even inhabit the same planet.

Do you think that a wife that had been the victim of spousal sexual assault or rape would find that joke funny?

I think that a victim of spousal sexual assault or rape, more than anybody, would recognize the difference between actual assault and playfully slapping a partner on the ass.

"I was poking fun at the notion of classifying me slapping my wife's butt as sexual assault."
What is funny about that, Jeff? Why is the suggestion absurd?

#288 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

By degrading the notion of sexual assault, including the implications of what Trump said in his tapes, you are denigrating the real problem of sexual assault.

I wasn't denigrating the notion of sexual assault. I was denigrating classifying a husband slapping his wife's butt as sexual assault.

I'm divorced

Sorry to hear that. Seriously.

It's absurd because people who truly love each other (an overwhelming majority of married couples) don't do things to their loved ones that cause emotional harm, like touching them when they don't want to be touched.

#293 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 10:19 PM | Reply

#293 - My responses didn't line up with the comments I reproduced. My apologies if that post is difficult to follow.

#294 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 10:21 PM | Reply

This has been fun, but more important things beckon. My wife pinched a nerve in her neck and we are going to try the traction-thing her doctor recommended to try and relieve the pressure. I hope it works because I don't like seeing her in pain.

Have a great weekend, all.

#295 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-14 10:23 PM | Reply

"Slapping a spouse's ass and forcibly raping a spouse don't even inhabit the same planet."

So if Donald slapped Ivana's beatufil per ass without her consent, that's not a sexual assault?

You need to let me know when touching women sexually without their permission puts me on a course for Planet Rape. I'm... asking for a friend.

#296 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:23 PM | Reply

"would recognize the difference between actual assault and playfully slapping a partner on the ass."

See, now you're getting to the heart of the matter.

You think it can't be assault because the person doing the touching is being playful.

Bill Cosby thought he was being playful too.

It's not up to you to decide if your slap was playful. Don't you get that? If you don't, we call that Rape Culture.

#297 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:30 PM | Reply

Jefe needs some perspective on other people's experiences. And no problem on the divorce, best for all involved.

#298 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-14 10:31 PM | Reply

Are you commies still going on about this ridiculous crap. For God's sake, western culture does not tell you to rape women. You want Islam for that.

Rape culture. It is to laugh.

#299 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 10:50 PM | Reply

"For God's sake, western culture does not tell you to rape women."

I don't live in Victorian England.

Can you tell me what contemporary American culture says?

Because as best I can tell it says you can grab them by the -----.

#300 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-14 10:52 PM | Reply

#00 That is so retarded.

#301 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 11:04 PM | Reply

"For God's sake, western culture does not tell you to rape women."

Doesn't it?

"Rape culture. It is to laugh."

Exhibit A.

#302 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 11:05 PM | Reply

#00 That is so retarded.

#301 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 11:04 PM | FLAG:

And now an ableist slur? You really are a class act.

#303 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 11:05 PM | Reply

Helium, glad you agree. It WAS a mentally challenged thing for Trump to say.

#304 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-14 11:08 PM | Reply

And now an ableist slur? You really are a class act.

#303 | Posted by DirkStruan

You are why communists need to be rounded up and shot.

#305 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 11:12 PM | Reply

You are why communists need to be rounded up and shot.

#305 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2017-07-14 11:12 PM | FLAG:

Because I point out your ignorance and hatred?

#306 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-14 11:14 PM | Reply

#306 Says the communist. You are the ignorant, hateful one. My comment that you are retarded was spot on. And you hate white Christian heterosexual males. Why? Because 1 in 200 engage in rape? And you call it a rape culture?

Retarded.

Stop your political correctness and grow up, snowflake. Nobody wants to hear you whine about how unfair things are, when they are not.

#307 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-14 11:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You are the ignorant, hateful one."

Says the bigot. Too rich.

"And you hate white Christian heterosexual males."

Strawman.

"Because 1 in 200 engage in rape? And you call it a rape culture?"

I have given you a detailed explanation of how and why a rape culture exists in the West. No response from you. I guess the point is conceded then?

"Retarded."

Ableist slur noted.

"Stop your political correctness and grow up, snowflake."

I find political correctness is just another word for common decency. No surprise you are opposed.

"Nobody wants to hear you whine about how unfair things are, when they are not"

You are the only one whining. Well, and apologizing for rape culture like the morally bankrupt semi-literate troglodyte that you are.

#308 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-15 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#300 odd posts in, links, examples, and Helium still has no working definition of rape culture. Talking social theory with this clown is like trying to teach Italian to a goldfish...

#309 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-15 12:10 AM | Reply

Nobody wants to hear you whine about how unfair things are, when they are not.
#307 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I don't mind his whining ... it supports my theory on the mental disorder of the SJW.

Can you imagine what the world of Dirk would look like, lets ignore the fact that no one is having sex, that would be a dominating act by the male to insert his penis in a womans vagina. But there isn't even any arousal, nothing is spontaneous, which is the best sort of sex. In Dirks and Snoofys world everyone must sign in triplicate throughout the whole ordeal, explaining the next move is going to be.

Women wonder why romance is dead, perhaps they should point to the Dirks of the world.

Women are attracted to and aroused by dominating males ... its so difficult to admit, but the rise in divorce is due to soy in the water, and men like Dirk don't take charge and have no plan, there is no attraction.

#310 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-15 12:16 AM | Reply

I was wondering when you would inevitably stop by to troll with your pseudo scientific misogyny.

#311 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-15 12:21 AM | Reply

Help us out here, Andrea.

Are you saying women can't help themselves and need a bad boy in order to be satisfied sexually? Is it just you and your friends or is it all women?

#312 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-15 12:27 AM | Reply

Common decency my ass!

Retarded is what it is!

#313 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-15 12:34 AM | Reply

And stop trying to control what I say with your thought-crime --------, comrade!

#314 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-07-15 12:38 AM | Reply

Mackris, a man using the handle of a sexually harassed woman, telling us that, "Women are attracted to and aroused by dominating males .."???

I guess Nulli won the coin flip and got to be Bill O'Reilly and dominated her willing body with both loofa and falafel.

Did I mention earlier that it's a fact of psychology that misogynists usually don't know they are?

#315 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-15 12:51 AM | Reply

Dirk, expect a lawsuit from semi-literate troglodytes everywhere.

You just slandered them all.

#316 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-15 12:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


Help us out here, Andrea.

Are you saying women can't help themselves and need a bad boy in order to be satisfied sexually? Is it just you and your friends or is it all women?
#312 | POSTED BY TEDBAXTER

I'd be happy too Ted, they don't need a bad boy, the are attracted to the highest quality man in the dominance domains and hierarchies, the culture elevates. There are many dominance hierarchies within cultures, women are attracted to dominance of other men within those hierarchies.

Ever wonder why many women are attracted to a killer, they aren't insane there is something primal there.

#317 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-15 09:46 AM | Reply

- many women are attracted to a killer

You mean like rwing Icon Ayn Rand?

How Ayn Rand Became a Big Admirer of Serial Killer

The best way to get to the bottom of Ayn Rand's beliefs is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation.

Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation -- Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street -- on him.

What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: "Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should," she wrote, gushing that Hickman had "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

This echoes almost word for word Rand's later description of her character Howard Roark, the hero of her novel The Fountainhead: "He was born without the ability to consider others." (The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas' favorite book -- he even requires his clerks to read it.)

www.alternet.org

Andrea, the primal dominant male posing as a sexually harassed woman on a blog, rofl!

"When your rich, you can grab them by the p....!" = Andrea's Hero

#318 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-15 09:55 AM | Reply

Oh yeah, that'll work...

In your world.

Stay happy if that works for you.

#320 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-15 10:04 AM | Reply

#319

Does Nulli, er, Bill O' like that?

You're a real wild woman, Andrea. I'd like to give you a free weekend with Rev Darko.

#321 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-15 10:07 AM | Reply

"that would be a dominating act by the male to insert his penis in a womans vagina. But there isn't even any arousal,"

No arousal?

I don't think you're too clear on the requirements of the penis vis a vis entering the vagina.

#322 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-15 12:00 PM | Reply

I'd be happy too Ted, they don't need a bad boy, the are attracted to the highest quality man in the dominance domains and hierarchies, the culture elevates. There are many dominance hierarchies within cultures, women are attracted to dominance of other men within those hierarchies.
Ever wonder why many women are attracted to a killer, they aren't insane there is something primal there.
#317 | Posted by AndreaMackris

And what if the "dominance domains and hierarchies" promote respect, compassion, intelligence, empathy, self-control, etc.?

That would leave Neanderthals with small limp dicks beating their heads against the wall, wouldn't it?

Women attracted to a killer? Ummmm psychological issues? Perhaps related to an abusive father-figure?

#323 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-15 12:11 PM | Reply

Boyd: 'Evening, squire!

Squire: (stiffly) Good evening.

Boyd: Is, uh,...Is your wife a goer, eh? Know whatahmean, know whatahmean, nudge nudge, know whatahmean, say no more?

Squire: I, uh, I beg your pardon?

Boyd: Your, uh, your wife, does she go, eh, does she go, eh?

S: (flustered) Well, she sometimes "goes", yes.

B: Aaaaaaaah bet she does, I bet she does, say no more, say no more, knowwhatahmean, nudge nudge?

S: (confused) I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.

B: Follow me. Follow me. That's good, that's good! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!

S: Are you, uh,...are you selling something?

B: SELLING! Very good, very good! Ay? Ay? Ay?

(pause)

B: Oooh! Ya wicked Ay! Wicked Ay! Oooh hooh! Say No MORE!

S: Well, I, uh....

B: Is, your uh, is your wife a sport, ay?

S: Um, she likes sport, yes!

B: I bet she does, I bet she does!

S: As a matter of fact she's very fond of cricket.

B: 'Oo isn't? Likes games, eh? Knew she would. Likes games, eh? She's been around a bit, been around?

S: She has traveled, yes. She's from Scarsdale.

(pause)

B: SAY NO MORE!!

B: Scarsdale, saynomore, saynomore, saynomore, squire!

S: I wasn't going to!

B: Oh! Well, never mind. Dib dib? Is your uh, is your wife interested in....photography, ay? "Photographs, ay", he asked him knowlingly?

S: Photography?

B: Snap snap, grin grin, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more?

S: Holiday snaps, eh?

B: They could be, they could be taken on holiday. Candid, you know, CANDID photography?

S: No, no I'm afraid we don't have a camera.

B: Oh. (leeringly) Still, mooooooh, ay? Mwoohohohohoo, ay? Hohohohohoho, ay?

S: Look... are you insinuating something?

B: Oh, no, no, no...yes.

S: Well?

B: Well, you're a man of the world, squire.

S: Yes...

B: I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh.... You've "done it"....

S: What do you mean?

B: Well, I mean like,....you've SLEPT, with a lady....

S: Yes....

Boyd: What's it like?

Now that the SJWs have cried themselves out, I think we can all agree with JPW that they are disgusting, self-righteous ------.

#324 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-15 12:32 PM | Reply

Now that the SJWs have cried themselves out, I think we can all agree with JPW that they are disgusting, self-righteous ------.
#324 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2017-07-15 12:32 PM | REPLY

We all being backwards apologists for rape culture such as yourself? It is nice to have a thread like this once and a while to dispel the delusions of nobility afflicting the regressive set.

#325 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-07-15 01:06 PM | Reply

So a 3% chance of a woman being raped in America by age 58 is the best we can do, ROC?

#326 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-15 01:07 PM | Reply

At least I was able to draw two of the SWStooges back in.

Good boys, now go find Troofy for the trifecta.

#327 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-15 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So 3% is fine with you then?

It's almost like you... want them to get away with it.

#328 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-15 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Women fantasize about rape...just ask Bernie.

#329 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-15 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least Bernie wasn't elected...not sure how Dirk would have been able to stomach such a pronounced purveyor of rape culture sitting in the Oval Office...

#330 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-15 03:37 PM | Reply

That's just sad, MadB.
You. You're just sad.

"Studies have found rape fantasy is a common sexual fantasy among both men and women. The fantasy may involve the fantasist as either the one being forced into sex or being the perpetrator. A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer[1] found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse. In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University[2] said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women.[3] A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex."
en.wikipedia.org

#331 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-15 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ah, RoC. Thanks for that. Almost felt like Spud was here. But his woulda been funnier somehow. Good try, though.

#332 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-15 05:25 PM | Reply

#331 Spoken like someone who no loner has a leg to stand on. Unless you're going to next make the argument that rapists are merely helping women realize their fantasies.

I can only speak for myself, but being raped has never been one of my fantasies.

#333 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-15 06:02 PM | Reply

"#331 Spoken like someone who no loner has a leg to stand on."

Wikipedia doesn't have a leg to stand on?

"I can only speak for myself, but being raped has never been one of my fantasies."

You're not making yourself seem any less pathetic with those kinds of comments.

#334 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-15 06:10 PM | Reply

"You're not making yourself seem any less pathetic with those kinds of comments."

Yeah...I super concerned about looking pathetic in a discussion where the tenor has been that men are virtually incapable of not participating in rape culture, up until the point where those who set the tenor argue that humans really like rape.

You've reached a new level of stupid, lil buddy. Congrats.

#335 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-15 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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