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A faculty committee has recommended that the College forbid students from joining all "fraternities, sororities, and similar organizations" -- including co-ed groups -- with the goal of phasing out the organizations entirely by May 2022. In a 22-page report released Wednesday morning, the committee proposed that the policy -- which would replace existing penalties for members of the social groups that are set to go into place in the fall -- apply to students entering in the fall of 2018. "All currently enrolled students including those who will matriculate this fall will be exempt from the new policy for the entirety of their time at Harvard," according to the report. "This will lead to a transition period, whereby USGSOs would be phased out by May 2022." The committee suggested that Harvard model its new social group policy very closely on those enforced by Williams College and Bowdoin College, both of which forbid students form participating in social clubs during their time as undergraduates.

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Get rid of the Greeks!

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They'll just move off campus and become private organizations - like an undergrad country club. At Harvard especially, there is too much legacy, tradition, and alumni influence behind their Greek culture and housing system for it to disappear completely.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-13 10:39 AM | Reply

William F. Buckley Jr. -- 'I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Manhattan phone book than the entire faculty of Harvard.'

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-07-13 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Greek life is ----.

Tool bags and douche nozzles mostly.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-13 11:48 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY JPW

You sound tolerant.... your emotional outburst ruin any thing you really have to say about "douche nozzles" ...

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-07-14 12:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Did you know you can make an harmonica out of a douchenozzle?

That's right, an harmonica.

It ends up sounding more like a Kazoo than anything, but indeed, it is possible.

It has the unfortunate nom de guerre of "organ grinder" in certain circles.

#5 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 12:28 AM | Reply

You sound tolerant.... your emotional outburst ruin any thing you really have to say about "douche nozzles" ...

#4 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

It's not really an "emotional outburst".

My experiences with Greek life in undergrad were exceedingly poor. Even my friends who joined "professional" frats did stupid ---- like run to the frat house on 20 minutes notice to play drinking games while cleaning the place to the extent they missed classes the next day.

Greek life is garbage for tools and --------. Sorry if you participated in it. Oops.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-14 12:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW I never claimed to be "tolerant".

I always call it as I see it.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-14 12:52 AM | Reply

My experiences with Greek life in undergrad were exceedingly poor.

Your experience with Greek life was very limited, from the outside looking in, as you were a GDI.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-14 09:54 AM | Reply

"Frats"
*triggered*

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-14 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Your experience with Greek life was very limited, from the outside looking in, as you were a GDI.

Intentionally limited because of my experiences.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2017-07-14 11:15 AM | Reply

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Just watch the documentary 'Animal House' and see the type of shenanigans and hooliganism that goes on, its down right chicanerous.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-07-14 11:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

In many places, especially in the South, frats and sororities are such a mainstay institution of colleges and universities that it seems like the entire social structure of such places would collapse if all the frat/sororities were shut down. I don't know. Maybe that could be a good thing. I suspect each frat culture is different so it really is a case by case basis.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-14 11:33 AM | Reply

Who would have ever guessed that GONOLES is a frat boy?

#13 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-14 11:35 AM | Reply

" I don't know. Maybe that could be a good thing."

IMHO, yes, that would be a good thing.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-14 11:36 AM | Reply

"Your experience with Greek life was very limited..."

Either not invited to too busy playing Magic: The Gathering

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 12:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"In many places, especially in the South, frats and sororities are such a mainstay institution of colleges and universities that it seems like the entire social structure of such places would collapse if all the frat/sororities were shut down."

Shutting down frats and sororities might cause a stir, but to destroy a southern school, you'll need to cancel their football programs.

LSU without a football team is just another mediocre community college.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-07-14 12:07 PM | Reply

I was GDI so don't know.

My daughter had a great experience in her sorority--it had a strong social service bent, was very inclusive by race, origin, religion, etc., and the sisters kept the house well. Other than a problem caused by some jerky girls in second semester of my daughter's senior year, it worked well, except for the part about girls from 'national' who were snarky about the way my daughter and the others in her chapter dressed and that they didn't have great suntans. But hey, who would at an Ivy that had sunny days from mid-May to Mid-September?

#17 | Posted by catdog at 2017-07-14 12:10 PM | Reply

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they're just snarky over other trivial issues.

This will just be yet another wedge driven between elitists and flyover state folks.

Harvard will just be a laughing stock over this.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-14 12:13 PM | Reply

The problem is how you define a fraternity. The definition of a fraternity is "a group of people sharing a common profession or interests." In the article they mentioned banning "social clubs". So, does it mean that you could now get punished by the administration for getting together on Wednesdays to play Magic: The Gathering? Because that would be a social club (and also a fraternity though they don't call themselves that). Or, could you have a fraternity as long as you don't have public parties or events (so it is no longer a "social club")?

Essentially, a fraternity or sorority is just a group of people who share interests and get together to pool resources to make more effective use of those resources. This generally means sharing lodging, putting on social events (public parties or events), and interpersonal events (private parties or events). Depending on the interests of the group of people involved, that can involve hazing and binge drinking, or it could not.

I actually in a fraternity in college and it wasn't all about drinking as the media portrays it. We were actually a dry house so we COULDN'T have parties at the house. Though, some brothers usually lived off campus and would throw parties at their place. We also did not haze (I would not have made it in if they hazed - I don't degrade myself for anyone). But, we would also have study sessions where the older guys would tutor the new guys. We went whitewater rafting and paintballing. We had a meal plan that was 1/3 the cost of the campus meal plan. And living in the house was less than half the cost of the dorms. Some guys did some stupid stuff occasionally, and a lot of the other fraternities seemed to be filled with only douches and idiots, but the actual type of organization is not the problem. Those douches and idiots will still be doing douchey and idiotic things even if they can't join a fraternity. The problem is the behaviors and mindsets, which fraternities and sororities do not have a monopoly on.

I also agree with a previous poster that this will just push the fraternities and sororities underground. Or, more likely, it will be a popularity contest. If the administration likes you then they will have you approved as a "club". If they don't like you, for example the nerds playing Magic, they will bust in and shut it down.

Basically, I don't think this will fix anything. Pushing organizations underground will actually make them less accountable or controllable. Are you going to call the hazing hotline if the underground organization that you joined is hazing you? And the people it will hurt is the people who normally follow the rules. People who are binge drinking and hazing are already breaking the rules... why would they care about breaking a few more by forming an underground organization?

#19 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-07-14 01:09 PM | Reply

My brother-in-law dropped/flunked out of college because he was more concerned about drinking and his frat than actually attending class.

#20 | Posted by Pirate at 2017-07-14 02:06 PM | Reply

flunked out of college because he was more concerned about drinking and his frat than actually attending class. #20 | POSTED BY PIRATE

There are non-Greeks who experience similar problems regarding "adjustment to university/time management/not taking class seriously." Similarly, there are plenty of ---------------- who didnt wear Greek letters.

College is what you made it, and honestly, being involved in Greek life greases the skids in many facets of university life regarding social events, chapter leadership opportunities, hands on charity events/creating positive sustainable change, networking with alums, getting summer internships, study groups for majors, having professors who were alums, and post-grad employment.

All chapters are different, attract different types of folks, and all campuses have different greeklife "vibes," but I would do it all again in a heartbeat. At the very least, you always had something exciting to do on the weekend ;).

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-14 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

William F. Buckley Jr. -- 'I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Manhattan phone book than the entire faculty of Harvard.'

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-07-13 10:50 AM | FLAG:

Weren't you just saying the profs should control the students then saying the profs should leave them alone?

#22 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-07-14 06:03 PM | Reply

Just watch the documentary 'Animal House' and see the type of shenanigans and hooliganism that goes on, its down right chicanerous.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2017-07-14 11:17 AM | R

within the context of all this "serious" commentary, much by people who were passed over, this stands out as perhaps the funniest comment of the week.

your prize is "in the mail"

#23 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-07-14 06:56 PM | Reply

this happens time to time on lost of 'campi'.....the 'old money'...and at "HAVAD"...you're talking really OLD and really LOTS....old big money will step in and change their minds.

but if not, I'd wager on gonoles prediction.....on this prediction....not any of his fsu predictions...lol

#24 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-07-14 06:58 PM | Reply

Who would have ever guessed that GONOLES is a frat boy?

#13 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-14 11:35 A

one can be a part of the 'greek community' in college and not be named 'chad' or "Symth"....you've watched 'revenge of the nerds' too much.... lol

#25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-07-14 07:00 PM | Reply

They'll just move off campus and become private organizations - like an undergrad country club. At Harvard especially, there is too much legacy, tradition, and alumni influence behind their Greek culture and housing system for it to disappear completely.

#1 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Noles, there is no Greek culture at Harvard.

The Finals Clubs are off campus private organizations.

#26 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 07:41 PM | Reply

Did you know you can make an harmonica out of a douchenozzle?

#5 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

I just epoxy a big dong onto it.

#27 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 07:44 PM | Reply

I just epoxy a big dong onto it.

Then it'd be called a hummer.

#28 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 07:48 PM | Reply

For you, yeah.

I tongue-write the alphabet on mine.

#29 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 07:53 PM | Reply

You like Turkish prison movies?

#30 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 07:54 PM | Reply

I just epoxy a big dong onto it.

Then it'd be called a hummer.

Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 07:48 PM | Reply

Bondo the dongdo.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-14 07:55 PM | Reply

You like Turkish prison movies?

Of course. How else would I have known that if you stab someone in the buttocks, it doesn't count as attempted murder in Turkey.

#32 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 07:57 PM | Reply

Great nickname Laura. You'll have to share the story how you got tagged with that.

#33 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How else would I have known that if you stab someone in the buttocks, it doesn't count as attempted murder in Turkey.

#32 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

Another fallacy of presumption from the DR's very own master of fallacies of sufficiency.

#34 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:00 PM | Reply

Speaking of sufficiency, are you keeping at least 2000 feet from all schools, playgrounds, and day care centers like the nice Judge told you to?

#35 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 08:04 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 08:04 PM | Reply

Posting from a day care center playground right now.

#37 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:05 PM | Reply

On the heights of Weehawken.

#38 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:06 PM | Reply

Since you're my designated duelling Second, how am I supposed to get satisfaction by offing my own Second?

#39 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 08:09 PM | Reply

You and your family ever try lubing up the marker up there, Red? When you go to visit gggggggggpa. for your harmonica. Tight fit.

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#40 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:09 PM | Reply

get satisfaction by offing my own Second?

#39 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

It's called every Friday night.

#41 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:10 PM | Reply

Maybe Boaz would do me the honor of being my Second, should the need ever arise that I should avenge my ggggg-grandpappy Hamilton's death by the notoriously evil Burr clan.

#42 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-14 08:14 PM | Reply

You bring the foot ------. I'm bringing Bondo the Dongo.

#43 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

That way we'll definitely get satisfaction watching our seconds get offed.

#44 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:22 PM | Reply

I'll make sure you get buried butt cheeks out.

So I have a place to park my bicycle when I visit your grave.

#45 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-14 08:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I was in a frat for a semester, just to see what it was like. Enjoyed it.

Then I realized, everything joining a frat had to offer, I could get from theatre, and then some.
In both cases, met some good people, met some bad people, some genuine, some fake. But theatre was...freer.
Drank a lot in either case, that's for sure.

#46 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-07-14 08:50 PM | Reply

Then I realized, everything joining a frat had to offer, I could get from theatre, and then some, like -------...lots of -------.

FTFY

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-15 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rightocenter, apparently your experience with theatre has been VERY different from mine.

#48 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-07-16 01:16 PM | Reply

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