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Tuesday, July 11, 2017

Rick Hasen, Election Law Blog: It is illegal for a person to solicit a contribution to a campaign from a foreign individual or entity. ... In two tweets, Donald Trump Jr. released an email chain that explains the meeting he had with the Russian lawyer to get "dirt" on Hillary Cinton that has been the subject of the investigation. ... Hard to see how there is not a serious case here of solicitation. Trump Jr. appears to have knowledge of the foreign source and is asking to see it. As I explained earlier, such information can be considered a "thing of value" for purposes of the campaign finance law. It is also possible other laws were broken, such as the laws against coordinating with a foreign entity on an expenditure. There could also be related obstruction, racketeering, or conspiracy charges, but these are really outside my area of specialization and I cannot say. But there's a lot for prosecutors to sink their teeth into. Pretty close to the smoking gun people were looking for.

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Hasen's bio: "Professor Richard L. Hasen is Chancellor's Professor of Law and Political Science at the University of California, Irvine. Hasen is a nationally recognized expert in election law and campaign finance regulation, and is co-author of a leading casebook on election law."

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What it looks like with all this Jr info being put out there by the WH is the Trump family pleading to a lesser charge of solicitation to avoid being prosecuted for collusion and or treason.

One doubts that SC Mueller is amused.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 01:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dad is going to pardon all of them and/or fire Mueller.

Which do you think it'll be?

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 02:07 PM | Reply

Firing Mueller is what he'd like to do.... pardoning half of his family and staff is just as bad it would seem to me.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 02:09 PM | Reply

Dad is going to pardon all of them and/or fire Mueller.

At this point a pardon is political suicide.

He can't fire Mueller. He can fire Rosenstein for refusing an order to do so. Next up behind Rosenstein is another, I don't remember her name, that reading tea leaves says she too would refuse. Can you say "Saturday Night Massacre?"

Seems the Buffoon is in a box of his own creation.

#4 | Posted by et_al at 2017-07-11 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Trump Jr. being in a serious trouble, while satisfying, is not the same thing as Daddy being in serious trouble. Honestly, I just enjoy watching the Trumps being humiliated in such public fashion. And yes, Mueller will be seeking indictments against certain Trump cronies.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-11 02:27 PM | Reply

At this point a pardon is political suicide.

#4 | POSTED BY ET_AL AT 2017-07-11 02:19 PM | FLAG:

By standard measures, Trump's entire campaign was political suicide.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-11 02:32 PM | Reply

Trump Jr. being in a serious trouble, while satisfying, is not the same thing as Daddy being in serious trouble.

Maybe, maybe not. www.drudge.com

#7 | Posted by et_al at 2017-07-11 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"At this point a pardon is political suicide."

Depending on how much more comes out about Team Trump and the Russians, it could be political suicide for someone who is already a (politically) dead man walking. Kind of like Christie on the closed beach.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-11 02:35 PM | Reply

At this point a pardon is political suicide.

Are you listening to his base and many Republicans in Congress? These people will back him as long as he can blame Hillary, Democrats and the fake media for all his travails.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%, but by all rights he shouldn't have fired Comey and then publicly admitted that he did it because of the "Russia thing."

The rules of normalcy do not apply to Trump, and that is the most scary aspect of all.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 02:36 PM | Reply

FTFY:

These people will back him as long as he can blame Hillary, Obama, Democrats and the fake media for all his travails.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-11 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Rick Wilson‏ @TheRickWilson

Members of Congress on Don Jr's collusion confession:

Public:
"Deeply concerned"
"Troubled"
"Needs to be looked at"

Private:
"Kill me now"

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-11 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Strange. I didn't think you could choke on a "nothingburger".

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-11 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

At this point a pardon is political suicide.
#4 | POSTED BY ET_AL AT 2017-07-11 02:19 PM | FLAG:

Don't be ridiculous. The Trumplings will love it if he pardoned them.

#13 | Posted by 726 at 2017-07-11 03:00 PM | Reply


@#1 ...What it looks like with all this Jr info being put out there by the WH is the Trump family pleading to a lesser charge of solicitation to avoid being prosecuted for collusion and or treason. ...

Wow, it seems like days ago, but it was less than 24 hours ago when I wrote this: ( www.drudge.com )

...There's something odd about this Donald Jr story. Why was it leaked by "three advisers to the White House" ( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html ). Usually I see attribution to ~two unnamed sources~ yet this time there are three, and willing to go on record as associated with the White House.

It almost seems like an intentional, planned leak. But why? Why would the White House want to get this story "out there?"...


I had no inkling that the actual revelation would be as astonishing as we have seen today.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-07-11 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


www.vox.com

...Think about it: Goldstone casually sent Trump Jr. an email saying his information would be "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump" -- casually stating Russia's support for Trump as if it were an unremarkable fact.

Trump Jr.'s response is similarly blasé. Rather than being confused or questioning what Goldstone means when he's referring to the Russian government's support for Trump, the president's son cheerily responds "If it's what you say I love it" and proceeds to try to get the details. And he forwards the thread on to Kushner and Manafort....


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-07-11 03:30 PM | Reply

I don't know if Trump Jr is arrogant, stupid or both. I am leaning toward both - just like his old man.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-07-11 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump Jr. delivers ‘smoking gun' to Mueller

The email chain released by the president's son shows an intent to collude with Russia, veteran prosecutors and white-collar defense attorneys say.

The smoking gun, according to the attorneys, is the wording throughout the emails that Trump Jr. exchanges with a broker for one of his father's former Russian business partners. At one point, Trump Jr. responds "love it" at the prospect of material that would "incriminate" Clinton. In addition, the source of the material says the offer of the material is "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

"Extremely damaging," said former Justice Department prosecutor Peter Zeidenberg. "Certainly shows an intent to collude with Russian government."

www.politico.com

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 04:57 PM | Reply

It's okay when some English spy comes up with a completely fabricated dossier pointing toward collusion can start an inquiry but one meeting with a lawyer under the pretense that HRC is in cahoots with Russia is treason. When DTJ figured out it was --------, he leaves. Shake my damn head. Y'all are idiots.

#18 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-11 05:18 PM | Reply

The email chain released by the president's son shows an intent to collude with Russia
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To collude with Russia? More like intent to find out if there was foul play on the other side. The pretense of the meeting was a collusion in the HRC campaign. Which we already know there was with the funds to her charity.

#19 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-11 05:20 PM | Reply

Election Law Expert: Trump Jr. in Serious Trouble

LOL! Trump Jr. took the one-off meeting, and nothing happened....

What's Trump Jr. looking at, 'Double Secret Probation'

#20 | Posted by Kaikane at 2017-07-11 05:20 PM | Reply

@ Kaikane, these people will get their panties in a bundle over any story with the word 'Russia' in it.

#21 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-11 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has even managed to lose Michael Savage.

Didn't even think that was possible.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-11 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@ Kaikane, these people will get their panties in a bundle over any story with the word 'Russia' in it.

#21 | POSTED BY DONNY33333

Anything you say, Comrade. Even Jr knows he's in trouble and has hired a top criminal defense attorney.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-11 05:32 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY DONNY33333

I actually feel sad for them at this point, endless nonsensical fact free ramblings about collusion.

This whole affair reminds me of the Valerie Plame episode, I'm thinking the lefties have forgotten how badly that one turned out for them.

#24 | Posted by Kaikane at 2017-07-11 05:37 PM | Reply

#20

I don't know what Donald is looking at yet. I'll be excited to find out.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 05:40 PM | Reply

#24

I save my sadness for their victims and, oddly enough, you're one of them.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 05:42 PM | Reply

This whole affair reminds me of the Valerie Plame episode, I'm thinking the lefties have forgotten how badly that one turned out for them.

Posted by Kaikane at 2017-07-11 05:37 PM | Reply

Sad you think outing a NOC agent is no big deal. Obviously you aren't an American or else you would be outraged about that.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-11 05:44 PM | Reply

Anything you say, Comrade. Even Jr knows he's in trouble and has hired a top criminal defense attorney.

#23 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2017-07-11 05:32 PM | FLAG:

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one can be prepared but that doesn't mean a lot. the whole administration is lawyered up already. that doesn't seem to mean a lot now does it?

#28 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-11 05:44 PM | Reply

#28

Oh, He'll. There hasn't been a time when Donald hasn't been lawyered up.

Maybe he'll lose more than money this time.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 05:47 PM | Reply

LOL! Trump Jr. took the one-off meeting, and nothing happened....

#20 | Posted by Kaikane

...then didn't disclose it, then lied about it, then changed his story...

Just like people always do when they didn't do anything wrong, right stupid?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-11 06:07 PM | Reply


Sen. Warner 'Absolutely' Wants to Talk to Trump Jr.
www.bloomberg.com

Very interesting wording by Sen Warner at the very start of the video... ~This is the first time the public has seen clear evidence that there was an attempt to offer information to the Trump campaign by ... Russian government...~ [emphasis mine]

The implication is that before today he has seen non-public evidence of this type of activity.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-07-11 06:19 PM | Reply

It looks like he's in deep shinola to me.

#32 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2017-07-11 06:58 PM | Reply

One can certainly question the opinion of the Prof. Hasen.

However, to be taken seriously, one must have either a) greater access to information and/or b) more experience than the Professor on this subject.

Otherwise it's just bloviating on a board.

#33 | Posted by worldasifindit at 2017-07-11 07:00 PM | Reply


Trump administration: There's no evidence of collusion. 12 legal experts: Yes, there is.
www.vox.com

On Tuesday morning, Donald Trump Jr. posted an email chain from last June in which he agreed to a meeting with a "Russian government lawyer" named Natalia Veselnitskaya who supposedly had damaging information about Hillary Clinton. The emails confirm that not only did Trump Jr. agree to the meeting knowing the alleged information was tied to the Russian government, but he also included Jared Kushner and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort in the thread.

Does this constitute clear-cut evidence of collusion or conspiracy on the part of the Trump campaign? Did Trump Jr. commit a prosecutable crime? And will Kushner and Manafort now face legal problems of their own since they were included in the emails and attended the meeting?

I reached out to 17 legal experts and asked them these questions directly. Twelve said that the case for collusion and conspiracy is near conclusive, though it's not entirely clear what the legal consequences will be. Five experts believe the circumstantial evidence is damning but we don't yet know enough to draw any conclusions.

You can read their full responses below....


See cited article for the responses.

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-07-11 07:17 PM | Reply

Sometimes it's the crime. Most times it's the cover up. And then other times, it's just the flat-old intent that ultimately buries you in the end.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-07-11 07:19 PM | Reply

#28

Less than six months into the administration and you say most of the administration is lawyered up.

You must be so proud. Quite an accomplishment.

#36 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-12 09:37 AM | Reply

Interesting counter point.

Eugene Volokh, offering a First Amendment defense in this context: Can it be a crime to do opposition research by asking foreigners for information?

#37 | Posted by et_al at 2017-07-12 02:05 PM | Reply

they contacted him right....this is a strrrrrrrretch

#38 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2017-07-12 04:31 PM | Reply

He pushed her for the promised dirt while he was there.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-12 04:32 PM | Reply

Rick Hasen's response Volkh's First Amendment defense. www.slate.com

#40 | Posted by et_al at 2017-07-12 05:58 PM | Reply

Great links, et al., maybe a little too dry for most but they frame the arguments well.

Thanks.

#41 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2017-07-12 06:20 PM | Reply

Dad is going to pardon all of them and/or fire Mueller.

I don't think that he is going to fire Mueller. However, I believe that he is going to pardon all of them. The president can even pardon someone BEFORE charges are filed. See www.slate.com

While pre-emptive pardons remain very rare, there are a few notable exceptions. Perhaps the most famous presidential pardon of all time occurred before any charges were filed. Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon absolved the former president of "all offenses against the United States which he ... has committed or may have committed or taken part in" between the date of his inauguration in 1969 and his resignation in August 1974.

Also from the article:
The chief executive can't pardon someone for a violation of state law or nullify a civil ruling, and his power doesn't extend to convictions handed down in an impeachment proceeding.

Ok state AGs, get busy.

#42 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2017-07-13 06:10 AM | Reply

You put Lil' Donny's meeting together with Jeff Sessions settling of the claim with the same lawyer, and the smoke is smoldering at the least. The desperation of Czar Donny333333333333333333 and Comrade Kaikane is palpable.

#43 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-07-13 01:52 PM | Reply

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