Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 11, 2017

President Donald Trump's eldest son was told a Russian prosecutor was offering his father's 2016 presidential campaign incriminating information about White House rival Hillary Clinton as part of Russian government support, according to an email chain that the son released on Tuesday. "The Crown prosecutor of Russia ... offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father," said the June 3, 2016, email to Donald Trump Jr. from publicist Rob Goldstone. ... "If it's what you say I love it," Trump Jr. replied in part.

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Just when I think I couldn't possibly be more gobsmacked, another bombshell explodes. I guess Junior is trying to do Mueller's job for him with today's release just as the NYT was posting the same information.

Speechless that anyone could possibly think that these actions do not rise to a level where the FBI should have been immediately notified.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 11:38 AM | Reply

(T)he email exchanges, which were reviewed by The Times, offer a detailed unspooling of how the meeting with the Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, came about -- and just how eager Donald J. Trump was to accept what he was explicitly told was the Russian government's help.

After being told that The Times was about to publish the content of the emails, instead of responding to a request for comment, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out images of them himself on Tuesday.

"To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails" about the June 9 meeting, he wrote. "I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn't work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet."

Isn't that special.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 11:44 AM | Reply

#2
Isnt that 'special...prosecutor' worthy.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 11:55 AM | Reply

Golly, I thought Trumpskolnikov assured us that his campaign had no contact with Russia.

nymag.com

#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 11:58 AM | Reply

Golly, I thought Trumpskolnikov assured us that his campaign had no contact with Russia.

Think of all those times the Trumpers have publicly stated that no one in the campaign had any contact with Russians whatsoever, and now Donald Jr. pulls a year old email out that proves all of them were lying through their teeth.

It's time for this crap show to be shut down permanently. The White House is occupied by known collaborators with our chief foreign adversary through the words of the POTUS' own son and the presence of his advisor and son-in-law.

Consider the floodgates officially opened.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 12:05 PM | Reply

Wow, if the emails are to be believed, so many lies in the previous statements made by Don Jr, Goldstone and the lawyer. To say nothing of Kushner and Manafort failing to disclose it in the first place.

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-11 12:51 PM | Reply

Lil' Donnie Jr. acts like someone who has money and thinks he can buy his way out of anything. We'll see if that's the case soon enough...

The right wingers will surely have some spin about how this is nothing, of course. Traitors.

#7 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-07-11 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clearly this is sordid behavior. Is it criminal? I'm a criminal defense attorney and I don't know the answer. Was there any quid pro quo in mind? And if it is criminal, does it reach all the way up to the father?

At this point I don't think any honest person who is paying attention has any doubts about what low lifes the Trump clan are. They are pieces of ----. Trump supporters ONLY response is that they prefer having a person with an (R) after their name in the White HOuse to a person with a (D) after their name.

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-11 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Cleansing the Universe, one Trump at a time.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 12:57 PM | Reply

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

Donny Jr. got this and his response was to get Manafort, Kushner and himself in a room with these people to get that help from Russia.

It's a cut-and-dried example of collusion and Jr. provided the evidence himself on Twitter.

Does anyone really believe Donald Trump didn't know that his son, his son-in-law and his campaign manager were meeting a representative of the Russian government offering help to damage Hillary?

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-11 01:06 PM | Reply

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#6

The walls are closing in.

I wonder how long before someone figures out that continuing to pursue Trump's political and legislative agenda until the entire Russia connection is revealed and understood is akin to abdicating America's autonomy at this point.

Nothing coming from the White House should receive an iota of consideration with the complete legitimacy of the Trump presidency being in complete question due to these revelations. Yes, he won the Electoral College vote, but is there any remaining doubt that his campaign utilized and benefited from coordinated interference from a foreign adversary in order to achieve that result?

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Every day there is a new "nothing" story about President Trump.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 01:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Would you bring the comments up from the back page please? www.drudge.com

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:09 PM | Reply

Donnie Jr caught with his hand in the cookie jar after daddy insisted day after day, time after time, that nobody associated with the campaign ever reached into the cookie jar.

His whine that the jar was empty is not exculpatory. It is an admission of guilt.

#14 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Would you bring the comments up from the back page please?

Done. I overlooked it.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-11 01:12 PM | Reply

Gracias!

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:15 PM | Reply

Published July 11, 2017
Fox News

Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr. denies Kremlin ties

The Russian lawyer whose meeting last year with Donald Trump Jr. has renewed Democratic allegations of collusion is denying she had any Kremlin connection, despite a new report claiming President Trump's eldest son was told in advance of the sit-down that the Russian government had material meant to help his father.

Natalia Veselnitskaya denied any connection to the Russian government in an interview with NBC News. Raising even more questions, she also denied having any damaging information about 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 01:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#17

That's hilarious. She was the point person on Putin's film trying to cover-up his murder of a prisoner, and appeared at a Congressional session on Russia's behalf.

There goes Sniper buh-lieving whatever Putin tells him.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Interesting speculative find by Bill Palmer:

In his tweet this morning, Donald Trump Jr. posted his entire email exchange with his friend Rob Goldstein. It refers to the meeting being with a "Russian government attorney" which proves he knew he was meeting with the Kremlin. Even the subject line says "Russia – Clinton – private and confidential" which proves he knew the meeting was about Hillary. So every claim reported by the New York Times over the past three days is proven true here. But then comes the mention of "Rhona."

In the final exchange, Goldstone says to Donald Trump Jr., "I can send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first." (link). Rhona Graff is Donald Trump's private secretary/scheduler at Trump Tower in New York. It was documented by Politico earlier this year that those in the know are still going through Rhona to reach Donald Trump, even for political matters (link). And here's Rob Goldstone, offering to forward this ... email exchange to her.

To be clear, this isn't proof that Goldstone actually did forward the emails to Rhona Graff. But it demonstrates that Goldstone knew enough to go through her to get to Donald Trump. And moreover it demonstrates that Goldstone was perfectly comfortable with taking the information to Trump; he just wanted to take it to Trump Jr. first, because they were friends. Notably, Trump Jr. made no effort to tell Goldstone not to share it with Trump. This all strongly suggests they ended up telling Trump – and evidence of that should surface next.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This email chain is 'red hot'. (Pun intended)

I'm wondering if the release of the entire email chain was accidental. Makes no sense that this entire email chain was supposed to somehow be presented as some kind of defense.

Lock them up.

#20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:28 PM | Reply

I wonder what they had on Clinton?

But none of you would want to know that, right?

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2017-07-11 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And you hypocrites really think that if another country had called the Clinton campaign and said "We have some dirt on Trump", that Hillary wouldn't have had an aide on a plane so fast your head would have spun around..

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2017-07-11 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

- I wonder what they had on Clinton?

Nothing, as Jr said she just made up some nonsensical stuff. They were there to talk about getting rid of sanctions on Russia.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 01:34 PM | Reply

22
They were salivating over the pee-pee dossier, remember?
I still think Trump likes the yellow discipline....

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-07-11 01:35 PM | Reply

#22 |

Hillary would never have been dumb enough to believe them in the first place, nor dumb enough to follow up even if she had.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 01:36 PM | Reply

And you hypocrites really think that if another country had called the Clinton campaign and said "We have some dirt on Trump", that Hillary wouldn't have had an aide on a plane so fast your head would have spun around..

Posted by boaz at 2017-07-11 01:33 PM | Reply

Yadda yadda yadda

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-11 01:36 PM | Reply

"And you hypocrites really think that if another country had called the Clinton campaign and said "We have some dirt on Trump", that Hillary wouldn't have had an aide on a plane so fast your head would have spun around.."

No idea.


But if she did, I'd want her out of office just as badly because I would like a president to stand for THE COUNTRY.

#27 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-07-11 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#21, #22.
Your hypothetical "Hillary would have done it too" is not exculpatory. It is an admission that even you know Trump and his gang were, indeed, guilty of colluding and conspiring with Russia.

Too bad. So sad. Glad you are mad.

Lock them up.

#28 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Trumpers are acting like Otis in the old Andy Griffith Show: Just walk into the jail, grab the key and lock themselves up until they sleep off their nightly benders.

Don't think Mueller and his prosecutors are going to be so kind as to let them go free again in the morning though.

This is a Clouseau level of bumbling incompetence for a group bent on breaking the spirit of US campaign laws if not violating them directly with malice of forethought.

Now it makes sense why Donald tweeted about there being no collusion "tapes." Guess he already knew about the meeting and emails and conveniently left them out of his usual unhinged, projective rant.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:38 PM | Reply

if another country had called the Clinton campaign and said "We have some dirt on Trump", that Hillary wouldn't have had an aide on a plane so fast your head would have spun around..

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2017-07-11 01:33 PM

If it trained beer, everyone could get drunk for free.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 01:42 PM | Reply

trained beer

#30 | Posted by Zed

What a brilliant concept.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 01:43 PM | Reply

Veselnitskaya now says she has no damaging info about Clinton from Russia. Trump said they got nothing.
Do you think they are lying again?

#32 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-11 01:47 PM | Reply

Bored,

What they say more makes little to no difference, since the emails have been released and clearly state the reason for the meeting was to collude with the Russian government.

#33 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-07-11 01:50 PM | Reply

It would appear that Snoops and REMF Boaz got the talking points email in time to consume the first batch of Traitorade.

#34 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-07-11 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BOAZ,
If you want to identify hypocrites, ask yourself this:

If it had been Hillary's campaign which had colluded with Russia, would you be defending Hillary same as you are Trump?

No?

Now who is the Hypocrite?

#35 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No it proves they are liars as well.

#36 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-11 01:52 PM | Reply

I'm truly surprised why no one has articulated exactly why Donald Trump and many within the GOP have always either denied or downplayed Russia's role in the 2016 election and show so little concern about them honing their black craft in future elections.

There is one simple, plausible reason: Putin's Russia has ZERO reasons to ever help the Democrats win any domestic elections because the Democrats are never going to ignore the criminality, brutality and xenophobia of this Russian government, which is nothing more than an organized crime family with nuclear weapons and a large navy. Democrats will never kowtow to Putin's desires like Trump and his minions do and the Russians know it.

Trump understands this and so do many Republicans politicians as they try and emulate their benefactors in blatant nefarious ways.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This just in from Donald J. Bluth

"I may have committed some light treason"

Followed from Donald J. Bluth, Jr. aka Glob

"I've made a huge mistake"

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 02:16 PM | Reply

Meanwhile
Donald J. Bluth is attempting (and failing) to write limericks

Seriously

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTumpr 3h
3 hours ago


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There once were some democrats who were mad, they behaved like children very sad, they cried and they cried until their party died

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you hypocrites really think that if another country had called the Clinton campaign and said "We have some dirt on Trump", that Hillary wouldn't have had an aide on a plane so fast your head would have spun around.

You think because your own side is criminal the other side must be too. This is the favorite excuse of crooks. They tell themselves that other people would have done it themselves.

There's a great example that shows the Democrats aren't like today's Republicans. In 2000, a member of Gore's debate team was anonymously sent Bush's debate prep. He called the FBI to report a crime and recused himself from debate prep.

Democrats didn't collude with the Russians. Trump's kid did along with Kushner and Manafort, and he even provided the evidence to the world.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-11 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is what happened when a Democrat was solicited:

On September 14, 2000, former congressman Tom Downey, a close advisor to Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore, received an anonymous package in the mail containing a videotape of George W. Bush practicing for the upcoming presidential debates and more than 120 pages of planned debate strategies. Downey and his lawyer contacted the FBI and handed the cache over that very day, and Gore campaign officials then immediately reached out to the Associated Press to provide a timeline of the events. The Gore campaign had no hint of who had sent the materials -- nothing indicated the involvement of a foreign power; indeed, the package was eventually traced to a low-level employee at a media firm. But the materials were on their face likely provided to the Gore campaign as part of an attempt to damage Gore's opponent, and that was enough to prompt a call to authorities.
This is what patriotic candidates do when faced with a choice.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

- Trump's kid did along with Kushner and Manafort,

Which means the Trump Campaign did.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It also means Trump knew, but we'll see whether his underlings fall on their swords to prevent that from coming to light.

#43 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-11 02:28 PM | Reply

- whether his underlings fall on their swords

Could be. I'm not sure he inspires that kind of career-killing loyalty, but maybe so.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 02:35 PM | Reply

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information..."

Could be construed as knowledge of wrongdoing.

Just saying

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 02:36 PM | Reply

Lock them up. - #20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:28 PM
What's the charge?

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2017-07-11 02:43 PM | Reply

Has everyone noticed this line in the email from Goldstone?

"I can send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first."
This is an admission that Goldstone would have no compunction in sending this information to Donald's private secretary who would then forward it to him. He obviously knows precisely how to reach her by any sober read of his statement to Jr.

It's going to be hard to hide the numerous ties directly to Donald that most certainly will emerge as more and more information seeps out from the past. Junior may have not only have provided the first actual smoking gun showing collusive intent on the part of the Trump campaign's highest ranking members, he may also have provided the shovel to dig the hole the Trump clan will eventually be buried in.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is it possible Jr. was trying to e-mail this info to his lawyer and accidently tweeted it instead? It's the only plausible scenario I can come up with for him doing such a stupid thing.

#48 | Posted by Jay at 2017-07-11 02:46 PM | Reply

Is it possible Jr. was trying to e-mail this info to his lawyer and accidently tweeted it instead? It's the only plausible scenario I can come up with for him doing such a stupid thing.

Posted by Jay at 2017-07-11 02:46 PM | Reply

Arrogance is the handmaiden to stupid decisions.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-07-11 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What's the charge?"

For those who received security clearances we could start with perjury.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-11 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, another head-scratching find within Junior's emails:

Natalia Veselnitskaya was not the only Russian at the meeting. The emails refer to two Russians attending the meeting with Kushner, Manafort and Trump Jr. -- Veselnitskaya and another individual who she told the Times was an interpreter. She declined to name the person. www.huffingtonpost.com
Anyone want to fathom a guess that this second Russian 'interpreter' is a known agent/employee of the Russian government itself? Perhaps it's a simple english-speaking employee of her firm, but if that was the case, why the reticence to name the individual?

Deeper and deeper.

#51 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 03:04 PM | Reply

Lock them up. - #20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:28 PM
What's the charge?

#46 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Here ya go Vlad: Straight off the top:

When filling out the Questionnaire for National Security Positions (SF-86) there is a section right after the instructions you have to acknowledge as having read. It states "I have read the instructions and I understand that if I withhold, misrepresent, or falsify information on this form, I am subject to the penalties for inaccurate or false statement (per U.S. Criminal Code, Title 18, section 1001), denial or revocation of a security clearance, and/or removal and debarment from Federal service."

The security clearance background investigation process falls under federal guidelines, therefore any criminal charges must be filed in a Federal District Court by the charging agency. If convicted, the criminal penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years.

What else do you need explained for ya there, Little guy?

#52 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 03:15 PM | Reply

Tony, you really get off on stuff like this, don't you?

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53
Most Americans support the enforcement of the laws of the Land. Are you an exception to that, Eb? You sound surprised and a little butt hurt that Tony is interested in the wellbeing of the Country.

And c'mon, you Republicans love you some political investigations. Why so chaffed that Tony is bringing news to a news/political blog?

#54 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

52

Do you understand that you didn't answer his question?

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:38 PM | Reply

What they say more makes little to no difference, since the emails have been released and clearly state the reason for the meeting was to collude with the Russian government.

#33 | Posted by RevDarko

So............. does intent make a crime?

#56 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 03:41 PM | Reply

Lock them up. - #20 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2017-07-11 01:28 PM
What's the charge?

#46 | Posted by Avigdore

It's a Trump................ isn't that enough?

#57 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 03:43 PM | Reply

"What's the charge?"

For those who received security clearances we could start with perjury.

#50 | Posted by danni

That would put the hiltabeast on the hit list too.

#58 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 03:45 PM | Reply

"So............. does intent make a crime?"

In quite a few cases, yes, it does.hence the legal phrasing in some criminal cases "with intent"

#59 | Posted by RevDarko at 2017-07-11 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most Americans support the enforcement of the laws of the Land.

#54 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

OK.... Did the hillary campaign follow the law? Seems to me we have 2 classes of citizens here in the USA. The ruling class and the rest of us.

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 03:47 PM | Reply

Seems like Trump finally got his tie stuck in the wringer. But since his tie is so frickin long, this might take awhile.

In the meantime, do you suppose much of substance is getting done in DC?

#61 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-11 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

54

Jesus, you are friggin wasted right now aren't you?

You are so paranoid that your personal life must be very scary.

Look at what you've accused me of.......I'm chaffed, butthurt, a republican, and exempt to the laws of the land?

Good grief.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:53 PM | Reply

he ruling class and the rest of us.

#60 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2017-07-11 03:47 PM | REPLY

And which class do are you claiming Trump belongs to exactly?

#63 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-11 03:53 PM | Reply

What's the charge?

that was the only thing addressed to you and you managed to not answer it.

It's because you don't know. It appears that it's a crime and I agree but he asked what the charge is and you don't know....you could have just admitted such and moved on.

but no.....you have to accuse me of all sorts of conspiratorial based lunatic raving psycho bastard ----......what a ------- drama queen.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:55 PM | Reply

Up to this point the whole Russia-thing was a stupid joke.

This piece of it is different.

For those interested, here is what a lawyer who writes at NRO has to say about this:

As with many political operations, including dealings with foreign governments, their actions can be unsavory without being illegal.

Indeed, that seems to be the case here. Yes, the left side of the Internet is lighting up with claims that receiving information is the same thing as receiving an unlawful foreign campaign contribution, but the argument (based on current facts) is frivolous. The law is designed to capture contributions of definable value, like money or other assets. What is the definable value of "information"? Defining speech as a reportable or even illegal "thing of value" would raise serious constitutional concerns. But to say that it (so far) appears that Donald Jr. didn't break the law isn't to defend his actions.

To repeat, it now looks as if the senior campaign team of a major-party presidential candidate intended to meet with an official representative of a hostile foreign power to facilitate that foreign power's attempt to influence an American election. Russian collusion claims are no longer the exclusive province of tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists. No American -- Democrat or Republican -- should defend the expressed intent of this meeting. Going further, at long last we can now put to bed the notion that the Russia investigation is little more than frivolous partisan harassment, and it casts in an entirely different light the president's fury and frustration at its continued progress. As recently as last week, it appeared that the "collusion narrative" had lost steam, and that the so-called "Russia scandal" had morphed into an attack on Donald Trump's handling of the investigation, rather than the investigation itself. If you had told me last week that there existed an e-mail chain where a Trump contact explicitly tried to set up a meeting between a purported Russian official and the Trump senior team to facilitate official Russian efforts to beat Clinton, I'd have thought you'd been spending too much time in the deranged corners of Twitter.


www.nationalreview.com

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-11 03:57 PM | Reply

Seems to me we have 2 classes of citizens here in the USA. The ruling class and the rest of us.

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2017-07-11 03:47 PM | Reply

That's exactly right. A Ruling class apparently over-populated by Russophiles.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 03:57 PM | Reply

Oh, and whiskeybreath......Tony has wetted himself over more conspiracy theories....he's kept Victoria's Secret in business almost on his own.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#65

Well, now that NR said it out loud, it must be true, rofl.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 03:59 PM | Reply

If you're looking for legal technicalities to excuse this anti-patriotic --------- all I can say is....That's what he's paying lawyers to do.

I hope they fail.

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 04:00 PM | Reply

conspiracy theories

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 03:57 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

This is more like a conspiracy hypothesis. One that is being tested. Paper to be peer-reviewed.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-11 04:01 PM | Reply

"sought" or "intended to meet with" means what, legally?

and please....leave the drama out of any response.....I have no defense for these shenanigans.

maybe an actual lawyer can answer this...not the wannabes here.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 04:01 PM | Reply

OK.... Did the hillary campaign follow the law? Seems to me we have 2 classes of citizens here in the USA. The ruling class and the rest of us.

#60 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2017-07-11 03:47 PM | FLAG:

To my knowledge there have been no allegations of criminality leveled at the Clinton campaign. There were the questions about the handling of emails and servers during her tenure as SOS. Questions that were investigated to the ends of the earth by Congress, FBI and DOJ with the result being that there was not enough to warrant charges, indictments or even a grand jury.

Short answer, stop drinking this early in the day Snoops.

#72 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-07-11 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

68

If you had found that, you would have posted it and typed, "see, even the NR said so".

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 04:05 PM | Reply

Eberly, at a minimum there are at least two conspiracy charges that could result from the emails alone. Not a lawyer here but even I can see to that level of clarity. I'd say let Mr. Baheera and Mr. Mueller decide what other charges are warranted.

#74 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-07-11 04:05 PM | Reply

#73

Yeah, maybe. But then you would have gone off on how it was a conspiracy theory.

et al has posted a couple of lawyerly links that address your questions. Perhaps you could take some initiative and look them up instead of pulling a MTW.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 04:10 PM | Reply

This is the reason every American should be engaged in the Trump-Russia narrative:

The Whole Trump Team Has Been Subject to Blackmail

How many foreign contacts does someone have to omit from their SF-86 forms to lose their security clearance immediately? Because Jared Kushner managed to forget more foreign contacts than he listed, since he listed exactly zero. Who could've known that meeting with Russian Ambassador Surgey Kislyak about setting up a secret back channel with Moscow or scrounging for dirt on Hillary Clinton from a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer were noteworthy? Or how about that meeting with the head of a U.S.-sanctioned Russian state-run bank?

As for the president, the Russians could have revealed or threatened to reveal at any time that his son, his son-in-law, and his campaign manager met with one of their agents and colluded on how to damage Hillary Clinton. Knowing this, perhaps the president has been scared to say or do anything that is upsetting to Vladimir Putin.

It sure looks that way, doesn't it.

The president needs to resign. It may take some convincing to get him to realize this. But he needs to resign. And while he's considering his fate, he needs to let the FBI do a thorough counterintelligence investigation to make sure that folks like Flynn and Kushner haven't been sharing classified material with Russian handlers.

Spycraft isn't that complicated when you get right down to it, and the Trump campaign allowed themselves to be compromised and subject to blackmail. For the same reason that Flynn had to go, the whole lot of them need to go.

All that Trump supporters want to do is deflect the serious concerns of Americans watching these unprecedented actions play out as a surreal dystopian nightmare. No one is saying a word about politics, the pressing concern has always been national security and the upholding of our Constitutional values as America. The Trump government fails on nearly every level and those who know better continue to let this farce continue. Trump does not care about America, he only cares about himself and his family. What else does he have to do to prove this immutable conclusion?

#76 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-11 04:11 PM | Reply

hahahahahahaha, now we are down to arguing over intent. hahahaha

hand your hat on that argument you traitors, good luck with that.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 04:14 PM | Reply

75

you're funny. well, not really.

I don't write off articles that I disagree with because of my blind partisanship as being "conspiracy theories". that's your bag, baby.

and I often send minions for coffee for me instead of doing it myself.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2017-07-11 04:14 PM | Reply

#78

Self-importance is often mistake for actual importance, but you are still special to us.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-11 04:16 PM | Reply

the funny thing is that a lot of trumptilian defense will rest on the "failed" part of the collusion, when all evidence points to successful collusion, i.e. the timing of the meetings and releases of information last June.

Donald J. Bluth "I may have committed some light treason."

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

62,
That old bitty is still sore from when you called her butthurt in the fireworks thread.

#81 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-07-11 04:24 PM | Reply

I swear the more I compare the Bluth-Trump families I can't stop seeing the similarities

Both corrupt developers
Father committed light treason
Son named after him also committed light treason
Both families incredibly narcissistic
Get horrible lawyer advice

There's always money in the Donald J. Trump Banana Stand Foundation

#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-11 04:24 PM | Reply

everything would immediately become crystal clear if trump would release his taxes for the last 10yrs

#83 | Posted by ABlock at 2017-07-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Up to this point the whole Russia-thing was a stupid joke.
This piece of it is different. "

LMFAO.
Nothing has changed, except how much you know.
The joke has been on you, this entire time.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-07-11 11:12 PM | Reply

first: "It never happened. Never ever"
Second "They talked about adoptions"
Third "They promised dirt on Hillary" (oops)
Now "Hillary would have done it too so its ok"

#85 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-07-12 12:53 AM | Reply

If the meeting ever occurred, they probably met on the tarmac to talk about grandchildren and golf ;).

#86 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-07-12 01:12 AM | Reply

If the meeting ever occurred, they probably met on the tarmac to talk about grandchildren and golf ;).

Well. Then. You should be spitting fire like you and your deplorable ilk did when Bill met with Lynch.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-07-12 01:22 AM | Reply

I din tell heem nothing about Cleenton, bud I deed tell him to keep his hands away from my g☺ddamn babushka!

--Natalia Veselnitskaya, Esq.

#88 | Posted by madscientist at 2017-07-12 09:18 AM | Reply

"What's the charge?
#46 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE"

Ask and ye shall receive:

"A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election."
www.law.cornell.edu

(In case you are not able to make the connection, "political opposition research" is a "thing of value."

#89 | Posted by montecore at 2017-07-12 12:44 PM | Reply

And Donald Jr.'s problem is in this section:

"(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section."

#90 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-07-12 12:47 PM | Reply

"Seems to me we have 2 classes of citizens here in the USA. The ruling class and the rest of us.
#60 | POSTED BY SNIPER"

Hilarious!
Sniper thinks he and Silver Spoon Donny Jr. are in the same class! Lol

#91 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-07-12 12:50 PM | Reply

Wait... so Eric is the smarter one?

#92 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2017-07-12 01:12 PM | Reply

Which one is more American Pyscho?

#93 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2017-07-12 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nice catch, 101. I'd have to inspect their business cards and know what hair gel they use to know for sure.

#94 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-07-13 01:43 PM | Reply

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