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Monday, July 10, 2017

President Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it. The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Manafort and Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times. The meeting -- at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination -- points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin's meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

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And while President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and the Russians, the episode at Trump Tower is the first such confirmed private meeting involving members of his inner circle during the campaign -- as well as the first one known to have included his eldest son ... It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.

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White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus has accused Democratic operatives of arranging a meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Kremlin-linked lawyer last summer, two weeks after Donald Trump won the Republican nomination for president. On Sunday, Priebus said "the individual that set up the meeting may have been" associated with Fusion GPS, the Washington, D.C.-based strategy firm behind a leaked intelligence dossier that suggested Russian officials possess materials that could be used to blackmail President Trump.

"There's more questions on the Democrat side than anywhere else," Priebus said on "Fox News Sunday."

He pointed to an article on Circa, the news site owned by the right-wing media giant Sinclair Broadcast Group, which cited a spokesman for Trump's legal team. The story was splashed on Drudge Report on Sunday morning.

"We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for," Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Trump's lawyers, said in a statement published by Circa. "Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier."

Priebus brushed off the meeting as a "very short meeting," lasting about 20 minutes. But asked for details, he demurred.

www.huffingtonpost.com

Well the Administration wasted little time in responding to what they inevitably knew was coming next. Priebus' comments predated the latest NYTs story above, but the Trumpers and GOP are soon going to learn a devastating lesson: While the base will believe anything they tell them about the Democrats, Robert Mueller and his Dream Team of heavyweight criminal prosecutors will not be anywhere near as gullible.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 05:41 PM | Reply

"We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,"

True, the trump team members misrepresented that the represented America

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-09 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm sorry, but there is no way to spin this meeting in a positive light for anyone associated with the campaign of a US presidential candidate. And then, on top of it, this meeting is never disclosed when applying for security clearances? Again, it must be said, until this is accepted as proof in a legal proceeding, everyone is assumed innocent until proven guilty. But there is no reason for any meeting with a foreign contact on the promise of receiving damning information about the opposing candidate unless it's done under the auspices of the FBI as a sting operation.

The composition of Mueller's team is beginning to make much more sense as each new piece of information regarding the actions of Trump's campaign staff and cadre of advisors and aides continues to come into sharper focus. Want evidence of collusion? Watch as the investigations continue to unearth the criminal acts associated with our current POTUS and his familia.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 05:55 PM | Reply

The meeting could have been innocent enough, getting dirt on Hillary is not against the law. But why all the lying about meeting with Russians unless there was something worth hiding.
At least Hillary was honest about her email server which was not against the law. Again why lie so much if you are innocent.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-09 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The meeting could have been innocent enough, getting dirt on Hillary is not against the law.

Depends on how the "dirt" was obtained. If it was obtained illegally, then the meeting is indeed potentially criminal. I cannot fathom that the Trumpers didn't know precisely what information was available from the Russian lawyer before they met in Trump Tower.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 06:13 PM | Reply

True, but the dirt and how it was obtained hasn't been publicized yet.
If trumpets knew it was stolen info it will make all the lying look intentional.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-09 06:19 PM | Reply

No big deal. Trump's people just wanted dirt on Clinton. From Russians.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-09 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This story is going to be tough for the "but but but there's no evidence" crowd to explain away. Trump Jr. admits he went to a meeting with Manafort, Kushner and a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer because he was told she would produce dirt on Hillary.

And he told two different stories about this meeting to the New York Times, first claiming it was only about Russian adoptions and only admitting the real reason after the Times had him dead to rights.

So here's a concrete example of top Trump campaign officials and his kid seeking out a Russian for help against Hillary. It makes it harder to believe there aren't other examples, considering how easy it was to get Trump's people to act like traitors and seek help from an enemy of the U.S. during an election.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-09 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's funny is that Little Trump places the blame on the Russian, because he thought she didn't have dirt after all.

The bait only worked because you were hungry, Uday.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-09 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The meeting could have been innocent enough, getting dirt on Hillary is not against the law. But why all the lying about meeting with Russians unless there was something worth hiding.
At least Hillary was honest about her email server which was not against the law. Again why lie so much if you are innocent."

As with many politically motivated crimes the crime was in the coverup, like lying to the FBI, not divulging meetings with the Russians on their applications for security clearances is a punishable crime.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-09 07:05 PM | Reply

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What Danni said.

The cover up. But because they don't believe in recordings or memory, they'll power on. And be shocked and appalled when it bites them in the butt.

#11 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2017-07-09 07:09 PM | Reply

"I'm sorry, but there is no way to spin this meeting in a positive light..."

oh you just wait. babbs, boaz, roc, crassus etc will be around shortly. sniper too but he'll vomit out something idiotic and probably will have nothing to do with the thread.

#12 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-07-09 07:11 PM | Reply

Good question, #13.

Apparently this is the only thing that every single world leader at the G20 wanted to talk about. Not one other conversation was had by anyone who attended.

At least that's what Honest Don said.

#14 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-09 07:39 PM | Reply

Tony,

You buried the lead here. This attorney works for the kremlin and the firm that compiled the steele dossier. This meeting was the blackmail approach in exchange for changing sanctions policy. This is a kremlin asset with connections to oppo research on trump having an undisclosed pre election meeting to overtly discuss sanctions policy .... the russian children adoption ban was a kremlin policy retaliation for our sanctions against russian/ukraine human rights abusers.
.

#15 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I'm not even sure that the real story here is that Junior says the meeting was to get dirt on Hillary.

Part of the real story is that the meeting went undisclosed by Jr, Kushner, and Manafort, the latter two being required to disclose it and didn't until the ebil media forced the story out of them.

The other, more interesting part of the story seems to be that the Russia lawyer was at the time of the meeting promoting a Putin propaganda film denying one of the biggest scandals of his admin; the death of a political enemy while in jail.

It seems more likely that the meeting was an attempt to gain Trump's support for Putin's lie about what happened to Sergei L. Magnitsky.

About which there is a back page thread where Gal broke this story.

www.drudge.com

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- You buried the lead here.

"getting dirt on Hillary", may well be Jr burying the lead.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 07:44 PM | Reply

#17 Im sure they did offer dirt on hillary at this meeting. the dirt on Hillary was the carrot. the dirt on don was the severed horse'a head unde the sheets.

#20 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 07:53 PM | Reply

#15

Repeating myself, but I really believe Mueller has got most of this information already, and much more that hasn't become "officially" public.

Things will get very interesting as soon as the assumed roll ups are further along.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And let us not forget that Vice President Pence has repeatedly said in public that no Trump campaign staff had contacts with Russians during the election. Seems our VP is a confirmed bald-faced liar (as if we didn't already know that through his lies about Michael Flynn).

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 07:59 PM | Reply

21 The foreign intel community has surveillance of all of these meetings. these people trump and his morons kept meeting with are know put in assets. Muller and the team of Prosecutors he has assembled are putting the pieces in place for evidence that can be used in a domestic prosecution. the intel community already knows they are guilty as sin. this isn't about what can be proven, it's about what can be used as proof in a domsectic
court.

#23 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I think LB is right, this is about removing sanctions.... and maybe about firing the US Attny for Manhattan...... this was buried in the original NYT story....

"A quick internet search reveals Ms. Veselnitskaya as a formidable operator with a history of pushing the Kremlin's agenda. Most notable is her campaign against the Magnitsky Act, which provoked a Cold War-style, tit-for-tat row with the Kremlin when President Barack Obama signed it into law in 2012.

Under the law, some 44 Russian citizens have been put on a list that allows the United States to seize their American assets and deny them visas. The United States asserts that many of them are connected to fraud exposed by Mr. Magnitsky, who after being jailed for more than a year was found dead in his cell.

A Russian human rights panel found that he had been assaulted. To critics of Mr. Putin, Mr. Magnitsky, in death, became a symbol of corruption and brutality in the Russian state.

An infuriated Mr. Putin has called the law an "outrageous act," and, in addition to banning American adoptions, compiled what became known as an "anti-Magnitsky" blacklist of United States citizens.

Among those blacklisted was Preet Bharara, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, who led high-profile convictions of Russian arms and drug dealers. Mr. Bharara was abruptly fired in March, after previously being asked to stay on by Mr. Trump."

One of Ms. Veselnitskaya's clients is Denis Katsyv, the Russian owner of a Cyprus-based investment company called Prevezon Holdings. He is the son of Petr Katsyv, the vice president of the state-owned Russian Railways and a former deputy governor of the Moscow region.

In a civil forfeiture case prosecuted by Mr. Bharara's office, the Justice Department alleged that Prevezon had helped launder money tied to a $230 million corruption scheme exposed by Mr. Magnitsky by parking it in New York real estate and bank accounts. As a result, the government froze $14 million of its assets. Prevezon recently settled the case for $6 million without admitting wrongdoing.

Ms. Veselnitskaya was also deeply involved in the making of an anti-Magnitsky film that premiered just weeks before the Trump Tower meeting. Titled "The Magnitsky Act -- Behind the Scenes," the film echoes the Kremlin line that the widely accepted version of Mr. Magnitsky's life and death is wrong.

The film claims that he was not assaulted and alleges that he never testified that government officials conspired to steal $230 million in fraudulent tax rebates."

more

www.nytimes.com

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18...

There is a reason that so many states have REFUSED to give the Trump administration their voter data. Do YOU have any doubt Trump would misuse data for his own benefit?

And the FBI is in the same boat. The FBI proved during the campaign that they are on the side of Republicans, and willing to leak for political purposes (how did Giuluani know about Comey's October surprise WEEKS before everyone else?).

The DNC would have to be CRAZY to hand their proprietary information over to an agency which has made itself their political enemy.

#25 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-07-09 08:01 PM | Reply

"parking it in New York real estate and bank accounts."

In some of Donnie's accounts, hmmmmm?

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:03 PM | Reply

#23

Preaching to the choir brother. The IC has been anonymously leaking multi-source-confirmed dribs and drabs for months but I'm tired of being accused of promoting unfounded conspiracies when the disclosed details aren't immediately publicly confirmed.

It's a process, and nothing coming to light now wasn't speculated about months ago by someone with an anonymous source. Someone in the DOJ is going to notice that Trumpers never disclose meetings with Russians that they happened to "forget" when filling out security information until the details are publicly disclosed. That in itself can be a crime.

This is not a coincidence and there most certainly will be more to come if sources are to be believed.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 08:12 PM | Reply

In his statement, Donald Jr. said he was approached about the meeting by an acquaintance he knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant.

He did not name the acquaintance, but in an interview Sunday, Rob Goldstone, a music publicist who is friendly with Donald Jr., told The Washington Post that he had arranged the meeting at request of a Russian client and had attended it along with Veselnitskaya.

Goldstone has been active with the Miss Universe pageant and works as a manager for Emin Agalarov, a Russian pop star whose father is a wealthy Moscow developer who sponsored the pageant in the Russian capital in 2013.

Goldstone would not name the client. He said that Veselnitskaya wanted to discuss ways that Trump could be helpful about the Russian government's adoption issue should he be elected president.

"Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that's conversation that he may have in the future?' " Goldstone said.

In the Sunday interview, Goldstone did not describe the conversation about Clinton or indicate that he had told Trump Jr. he could provide information helpful to the campaign. He did not respond to a second request for comment late Sunday. Likewise, a spokeswoman for Donald Trump Jr. did not respond when asked if Goldstone was the acquaintance to whom the president's son was referring.

www.washingtonpost.com

Lordy, I hope there's a tape.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 08:23 PM | Reply

#28

More good reporting, Gal..... so it seems like the "dirt on Hillary" story is a sham made up by Trump Jr et al to cover-up the real issues... getting rid of Magnitsky Act sanctions and maybe later firing the US Attny who brought them.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:27 PM | Reply

Goldstone has been active with the Miss Universe pageant and works as a manager for Emin Agalarov, a Russian pop star whose father is a wealthy Moscow developer who sponsored the pageant in the Russian capital in 2013.

In an exclusive interview with FORBES, Emin Agalarov -- a Russian pop singer, real estate mogul and son of one of the country's richest people -- described an ongoing relationship with the Trump family, including post-election contact with the president himself.

Among Agalarov's most striking claims: that he and his billionaire developer father, Aras, had plans to build a Trump Tower in Russia that would now likely be under construction had Trump not run for office; that he has maintained contact with the Trump family since the election, and has exchanged messages with Donald Trump Jr. as recently as January; and that President Trump himself sent a handwritten note to the Agalarovs in November after they congratulated him on his victory.

"Now that he ran and was elected, he does not forget his friends," Agalarov says.

The Agalarovs' ties to Trump stretch back roughly five years, when they expressed interest in bringing Trump's Miss Universe pageant to Moscow. After a visit to the Miss USA competition in Las Vegas, at Trump's invitation, they signed an agreement, eventually paying an estimated $7 million in licensing fees to host Miss Universe at one of their properties.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 08:30 PM | Reply

"The meeting occurred during a period of intense focus on the Magnitsky sanctions. Four days after the Trump Tower session June 9, Veselnitskaya was in Washington attending a House Foreign Relations Committee hearing that discussed sanctions and other aspects of U.S.-Russia relations.

That evening, a film critical of the Magnitsky sanctions -- and the story behind it -- showed at the Newseum.

On June 15, Veselnitskaya was featured on the Sputnik News website criticizing the sanctions and its leading advocate, William Browder, a financier who left Russia a decade ago amid concerns about corruption, including that exposed by the lawyer and auditor he had hired, Sergei Magnitsky. Magnitsky died in a Russian prison under mysterious circumstances in 2009 after exposing a corruption scandal.

Browder led the lobbying for the Magnitsky Act's passage in 2012, a vote that infuriated Putin, leading the Russian leader to retaliate by halting American adoption of Russian children. The adoption issue is frequently used as a talking point by opponents of the Magnitsky Act, said Browder."

also from Gal's Washpo link

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:32 PM | Reply

Who is Emin? Russian pop star who featured Donald Trump in his music video – here's what we know

The President-elect starred in the 2013 music video of a billionaire pal's son

www.thesun.co.uk

But, yeah, the Dems are the ones behind this meeting between Don Jr, Jared, Manafort and a lawyer with Kremlin ties. Trump also has a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, btw.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"plans to build a Trump Tower in Russia"


Trump Dreamed of Towers Across the Former Soviet Union

The Trump Organization was involved in dozens of deals throughout the region with money traced back to Russian sources, in some cases including the big oil company Rosneft. Once again, Trump's close relationship with Bayrock CEO Felix Sater, a known mob associate with ties to the CIA, the FBI and the Russian government, was implicated along with another controversial company called the Silk Road Group.

www.drudge.com

www.mcclatchydc.com

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:36 PM | Reply

I'm just glad that Trump assured us he never had any business interests in Russia.....

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:37 PM | Reply

I'm tired of being accused of promoting unfounded conspiracies when the disclosed details aren't immediately publicly confirmed.

Or ever confirmed...

Try staying away from crappy conspiracy sites like Patribotics, that would be solid start.

Congrats on finding the NY Times btw.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-07-09 08:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Of course, much of what TR has previously posted is seeing fruition in this new reporting.

Apparently that irks some orange people.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:48 PM | Reply

More good reporting, Gal..... so it seems like the "dirt on Hillary" story is a sham made up by Trump Jr et al to cover-up the real issues... getting rid of Magnitsky Act sanctions and maybe later firing the US Attny who brought them.

Yep, and they probably did talk about adoptions as in: Once you repeal the Magnitsky Act sanctions, we'll reverse the rule against Americans adopting Russian orphans.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm just glad that Trump assured us he never had any business interests in Russia.....

I'm just glad that Trump assured us he isn't Putin's puppet.....

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 08:57 PM | Reply

Ya gotta think that if they were willing to make up the "Hillary dirt" story to cover the rest of this up that there is some fire behind this smoke.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 08:59 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT

Link? Link? Link?

Thanks in advance.

#41 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-09 09:10 PM | Reply

Funny how liberals like MW/Crassus and Bill O'Reilly/Nullifidian have in recent years regressed and devolved into Trumpish rwingers who now accuse other liberals of "promoting unfounded conspiracies".

Funny/Sad.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 09:13 PM | Reply

#41

The thread isn't about my posting history, it's about the President's son and other Trump officials having met with known Russian operatives and lying about it until faced with undeniable evidence they cannot deny. Oh, this always comes after their repeated public denials of having done precisely what they did and having submitted security documents under penalty of law that also omitted said meetings.

Keep the focus where it belongs.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-09 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump Jr.'s stunning admission to the New York Times

Donald Trump Jr. has made a potentially damaging New York Times report much, much worse.

The Times on Sunday reported that the president's eldest son was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in New York on June 9, 2016.

As Times reporters Jo Becker, Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman explained, Trump Jr.'s motivation for agreeing to the meeting "points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin's meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help."

www.washingtonpost.com

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As per usual, the artist formerly known as MW is his own best retort.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 09:27 PM | Reply

"Needless to say, the report looks bad for the president, even though his private legal team told the Times that Trump did not participate or even know about the meeting.

Trump has a go-to playbook in situations like these: cast doubt on the credibility of unnamed sources (five, in this case) and cry, "Fake news!"

from Gal's link

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 09:33 PM | Reply

IlWhat alternate idea do you wish to offer to explain the clear and factual patter of trump officials faikure to disclose these meetings?

Consider the floor yours. Make an argument that addresses the facts. Knock yourself out.

#52 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50

you seem to be confusing tabloid fodder with a federal government investigation.

#53 | Posted by cjk85 at 2017-07-09 09:40 PM | Reply

It might be constructive to remember that this all goes back to a counterintelligence investigation. In a counterintelligence operation, the goal is not to round up and hang all the spies. The goal is to get ahead of your adversary and corrupt or reverse their intelligence operations in your favor. Trump has been a Putin/Russian Oligarch financial asset for decades. Busting Trump for money laundering before he was activated as a political assets would only have served to disrupt our wine financial intel on where Putin money goes around the world.

But via engaging this quid pro quo and Trump acting as a political/policy asset for Putin, undermining our elections and the foreign policy towards which out intel community has worked for decades apparently offended the sensibilities of people who take patriotism a little more seriously than wearing your red white and blue novelty boxers to a 4th of July Monster Truck rally.

The team Muller has assembled is a prosecution team, not an investigative team. The investigation was already done by the intel community (much of it from allied intel services.) Muller has hired a team of presecutors and appellate specialists to convert the already conclusive investigative counterintelligence operation into actionable prosecutions. The foreign and FISA intel already identified the targets for prosecution. The deliberate and cautious nature of his inquiry is about getting this persecution done right and done so that the convictions can't be overturned and/or pardoned.

#54 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 10:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Pay attention to who leaked this story (bold mine):

President Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

Questions to ask: Why would 3 WH advisers leak this story, and why would Don Jr and Jared's lawyer admit it happened? Could there be tape(s)?

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is what now ... Jared's 5th failure to disclose on his security clearance application? That's 20 years to a prosecutor looking for leverage on Jared.

No way they are admitting to this without their being surveillance already confirming the meetings.

#56 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 11:07 PM | Reply

Is no big deal...What is problem, Comrade?

20 minutes, is as you people say...nothing burger.


#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-09 11:11 PM | Reply

It appears the WH leaked the story both to bury the sanctions negotiation with Russia beneath a sensational headline *and imply there was some dirt to be had on Hillary, and because they know Mueller has them by the short hairs as LB says.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-09 11:13 PM | Reply

This is what now ... Jared's 5th failure to disclose on his security clearance application?

It's freaking unbelievable. Security clearance disclosures are a big deal. The Kushner family has dumb criminal risks in their DNA.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2017-07-09 11:28 PM | Reply

"During an interview on CNN's State Of The Union, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) said that the committee wants to hear from Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr. on their meeting with a Kremlin-linked Russian attorney."

www.politicususa.com

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 11:32 PM | Reply

#58 Heh "negotiation"

He was/is being blackmailed. Foreign intel has Russians bragging about having compromising material on Trump. Ivanka walked into a FCPA trap in Azerbaijan www.google.com

and Putin assets seemed to be able to lure Jared into compromising meeting after meeting so often that his sf86 looks like his dog ate it.

Heh "negotiation" with his balls in a vise.

#61 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-09 11:38 PM | Reply

The Agalarovs' ties to Trump stretch back roughly five years, when they expressed interest in bringing Trump's Miss Universe pageant to Moscow.

Putin has close ties to the Agalarov family. When he was unable to personally meet Trump at the Miss Universe Pagent, Putin sent Trump a gift, which was delivered by Emin's sister:

Putin sent a gift and a note to Trump, the source said, and had Agalarov's daughter, Sheyla, deliver them to the Miss Universe offices in New York.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I remember reading Trump saying Putin had given him a "beautiful gift." I wonder what it was.

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 11:45 PM | Reply

Why does the 2016 election resemble some contemporary remake of the plot from Fargo. Instead of insurance fraud, this is essentially a real estate deal that spiraled horribly out of control.

Anyone else picking up on this?

#63 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-07-09 11:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Heh "negotiation" with his balls in a vise.

In the pictures of his meeting with Putin, Trump did look like hw was being a good little boy.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-09 11:48 PM | Reply

It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.

Potential campaign finance law violation. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Campaign Finance Law: When "Collusion" with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime

h/t Rick Hasen at Election Law Blog

#65 | Posted by et_al at 2017-07-10 12:07 AM | Reply

#63 Trump was never supposed to win anything. He was supposed to influence the Republican party debates and emphasize changing the dynamics with Russia as a rejection of Obama foreign policy. Trump was supposed to be the populist, isolationist, nationalist voice claiming that better relations with Putin was in the US best interest, because only Obama's globalist/effite pseudo-humanist ambitions put us at odds with Putin's appetites in the Ukraine. Trump was just supposed to move the conversation and get whomever was the eventual republican nominee to go along. Hep was supposed to be a policy agent, not a manchurian candidate.

When Trump won the primary all hell broke loose and they realized they had a runaway train loaded with nitro glycerine and hair spray.

#66 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 12:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

won the nomination, not primary

#67 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 12:16 AM | Reply

#66

So you see the Fargo metaphor then, I take it.

#68 | Posted by bocaink at 2017-07-10 12:42 AM | Reply

#65 interesting. Does that apply to the Trump dossier created by steele, a foreigner? Or Trump asking Russia to find hillery's emails?

#69 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-10 01:21 AM | Reply

#65 Not certain from that reading how Steele would be viewed?

The articles seem to focus on value and or contributions "given" to a campaign. Does value PURCHASED from a foreign national fall under that umbrella? Also, Steele was a subcontractor of a US entity hired by a presumptively US person (only identified so far as allegedly a never trump republican.)

Does value (intel) provided by a foreign national as a subcontractor to a US person in return for direct and transparent financial compensation fall under the same prohibitions?

#70 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 05:15 AM | Reply

So,,,,

On Saturday they lied and said they meeting was all about adoption.

By Sunday they admitted that they went there to partake in some collusion. When they realized there wasn't going to be any collusion they abruptly ended the meeting.

Oh, and it was a meeting that they had been keeping secret for.... how many months now?

#71 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 07:08 AM | Reply

Oh,,, and all of that came directly from people who work directly for donnie dealmaker.

How are you idiots going to spin it???

#72 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 07:11 AM | Reply

So,,,,
On Saturday they lied and said they meeting was all about adoption.
By Sunday they admitted that they went there to partake in some collusion. When they realized they had just been successfully blackmailed by the Kremlin they abruptly ended the meeting.
Oh, and it was a meeting that they had been keeping secret for.... how many months now?

#71 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT 2017-07-10 07:08 AM | FLAG:

FTFY

#73 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 09:05 AM | Reply

Is that the right wing spin, #73?

They were only in it if there could be collusion and also only if the Russians promised to keep it hush hush?

#74 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 09:40 AM | Reply

So... where's the dirt?

#75 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-10 09:46 AM | Reply

So... where's the dirt?

#75 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG A

How about we start with this is the 3rd or 4th contact that Kushner forgot to mention before he was given a security clearance.

Might wanna revoke it and work up and out from there.

Of course I say this from the perspective of someone who doesn't think having active foreign agents working in the highest branches of the US government is a good idea.

I'm not sure what I would think should happen if I was pro-treason.

Like you.

#76 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#74 Not at all, complying with blackmail doesn't excuse anything. Getting yourself blackmailed doesnt make you innocent. It just makes you a sucka along with being a traitor.

#77 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#76 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT 2017-07-10 09:57 AM | FLAG:

lol

so, yeah.. where's the dirt? The entire election, all we got was some DNC emails showing how a political party works.

#78 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-10 10:10 AM | Reply

where's the dirt?

#78 | Posted by sitzkrieg

This qualifies as dirt.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-10 11:14 AM | Reply

So... where's the dirt?
#75 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Yeah! What's the big deal? Doesn't everyone meet with Russian spies to get hacked info on your opponent?

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:15 AM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT 2017-07-10 09:57 AM | FLAG:
lol
so, yeah.. where's the dirt? The entire election, all we got was some DNC emails showing how a political party works.

#78 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You are neck deep the dirt and pretending you aren't choking on it. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

#81 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-10 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This qualifies as dirt.

#79 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-07-10 11:14 AM | FLAG:

That's dirt on Trump Jr.

Where's the Hillary dirt they allegedly colluded to receive?

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-10 11:21 AM | Reply

The lack of comment, THE SILENCE, of rightwingers on this thread is very damning. They know it is bad. They have yet to get talking points on how to spin it. The rightwing silence tells the casual reader all they need to know.

#83 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-07-10 11:21 AM | Reply

Where's the Hillary dirt they allegedly colluded to receive?

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017

I think it's possible, more than likely in fact, that Jr. got "dirt" from that Russian. Maybe it was used in some fashion. Or maybe it was being saved for a rainy day.

Bottom line is---We have a Trump who colluded with the Russians about a US election. It really does not matter at how hoe successful that collusion was for the conspirators.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-10 11:25 AM | Reply

CONSPIRATORS.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-10 11:26 AM | Reply

"I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge, no person that I deal with does."

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:36 AM | Reply

I think it's possible, more than likely in fact, that Jr. got "dirt" from that Russian.

#84 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2017-07-10 11:25 AM | REPLY

It'd be way funnier to see somebody go to jail if there is no dirt.

#87 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-07-10 11:37 AM | Reply

"This is a non-story because to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place, so it's hard to make a comment on something that never happened."

--Sarah Sanders

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:39 AM | Reply

"The fake news media (failing New York Times, NBC News, ABC, CBS, CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people."

--Trump

#89 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:42 AM | Reply

Reince, the president believes that a free and independent press is a threat to the country?

PRIEBUS: No, I think -- I think for the most part -- and I understand where he's coming from -- is that there are certain things that are happening in the news that just aren't honest. And we're not talking about everyone, Chris. We're not talking about all news, but we're talking about something that I guess he's termed as fake news.

Let me give you an example. First of all, The New York Times put out an article with no direct sources that said that the Trump campaign had constant contacts with Russian spies, basically, you know, some treasonous type of accusations. We have now all kinds of people looking into this. I can assure you and I have been approved to say this -- that the top levels of the intelligence community have assured me that that story is not only inaccurate, but it's grossly overstated and it was wrong. And there's nothing to it.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:43 AM | Reply

Paul Manafort, appearing on ABC's This Week, is asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether there are any connections between the Trump campaign and Russia or its president. "No, there are not. And you know, there's no basis to it."

#91 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:45 AM | Reply

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 11:48 AM | Reply

President Trump reads like an old school mob boss who hasn't realized he's outdated, out-witted, and about to be ousted.

#93 | Posted by gavaster at 2017-07-10 11:50 AM | Reply

"the top levels of the intelligence community have assured me that that story is not only inaccurate, but it's grossly overstated and it was wrong. And there's nothing to it."

So basically...

Kushner, Junior, Manafort, Sessions, Flynn, Ryan, and McCarthy all take a "lie to them" default position, and only admit the truth if and when proof of their lying emerges.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The dirt was that Hillary, Podesta, their families, their friends and their political associates were raking in Russian money through various Clinton Foundation portals in exchange for influence.

#95 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 11:59 AM | Reply

"The dirt was that Hillary, Podesta, their families, their friends and their political associates were raking in Russian money through various Clinton Foundation portals in exchange for influence."

Can you taste the stupid when you post something that dumb?

Foundations have to publicly account for their spending. Any self-enrichment would be obvious.

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Any self-enrichment would be obvious.

#96 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

In their disclosure statements. That's funny.

Read Podesta's emails instead.

#97 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 12:05 PM | Reply

Doug Band, head of the Clinton Foundation, made one heck of a disclosure statement:

wikileaks.org

#98 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 12:08 PM | Reply

The lack of conservative defense on this thread means trumpers are pooping their pants.

Their "nothingburger" defense just vanished.

People don't lie about or conceal nothingburgers.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-10 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In their disclosure statements. That's funny. "

Are you aware of the reporting requirements, or not?

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 12:12 PM | Reply

Are you aware of how the Clintons and Podestas got rich?

#101 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The lack of conservative defense on this thread means trumpers are pooping their pants.

#99 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's hilarious.

Enjoy.

*Enjoy...*

*Enjoy.....*

#102 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 12:16 PM | Reply

Are you aware of how the Clintons and Podestas got rich?

#101 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Apparently you aren't.

#103 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-10 12:17 PM | Reply

"Are you aware of how the Clintons and Podestas got rich?"

For the Clintons, giving speeches and (co)writing bestsellers.

I know it's not from skimming from the CF, since their spending is public. If you have any proof, feel free to link to it. Until then, you're just a monkey flinging feces against the wall, hoping it will stick.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

"Can you taste the stupid when you post something that dumb?"

I can smell it.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2017-07-10 12:26 PM | Reply

As opposed to how Trump got rich, inheritance and money laundering.

#106 | Posted by bored at 2017-07-10 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've got a dollar that says the unredacted name of a US citizen in the fake document that "someone"sent Rachel Maddow is "Donald Trump Jr."

They tried really hard to do away with this story, George W. Bush draft dodger style.

Fortunately the idiots in the donnie dealmaker regime are playing dimensional chess.

Who knew there was such a thing???

#107 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 12:41 PM | Reply

NEW

Kremlin denies knowing of Donald Trump Jr. meeting with Russian lawyer during 2016 campaign

MOSCOW -- The Kremlin on Monday said it was unaware of a 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer purported to have information that could potentially damage Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

Asked about the meeting on Monday, President Vladi­mir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters that the Kremlin does not know the lawyer, and added that the Kremlin "cannot keep track of every Russian lawyer and their meetings domestically or abroad."

Peskov, asked about Veselnitskaya by reporters on a conference call, said: "We do not know who that is."

Veselnitskaya has for the past several years been a leading advocate around the world to fight the policy imposed on Russia for human rights abuses -- claims that have been vehemently opposed by Putin and other leading Russian officials."

www.washingtonpost.com

A laughable lie by Putin.

The original NYT story quoted and linked in #24 makes it obvious that the Russian lawyer werks for Putin. In Russia, they know this to be the case, as do US intel officials.

www.drudge.com

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-10 12:51 PM | Reply

#108 | POSTED BY CORKY

Republicans will still believe it.

#109 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-10 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Before any of you go ballistic, this is NOT a deflection.

This is the question:

How is this different than that Trump "dossier" that was obtained from a former British secret service agent that had all sorts of nasty stuff on Trump?

I ask this not as a "gotcha" or anything like that. I am just curious as to how the 2 are different. Bear in mind that I was on vacation last week and barely even scanned the news headlines, so I am not up-to-speed with all of the minutia of this, which is why I am asking.

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-10 01:22 PM | Reply

I would have to say that the fact that they, themselves, said "we were only interested in this woman if she could collude with us" but only said so AFTER the initial lie they told about it makes it completely different #110.

#111 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 01:31 PM | Reply

Don't look suspicious at all.

#112 | Posted by fresno500 at 2017-07-10 01:38 PM | Reply

How is this different than that Trump "dossier" that was obtained from a former British secret service agent that had all sorts of nasty stuff on Trump?

None of the information in the dossier was obtained through illegal means or collection methods.

Are you really that uneducated about what's going on?

#113 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-10 01:42 PM | Reply

#110 - Jeff, Someone up thread said, it isn't the crime but the coverup that gets them in trouble. They seem to be going to alot of trouble to deny any meetings with the russians if they were for nothing.

#114 | Posted by schmanch at 2017-07-10 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Are you really that uneducated about what's going on?

Okay, my bad. Congratulations on tuning out this madness. I can only wish....

#115 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-10 01:43 PM | Reply

None of the information in the dossier was obtained through illegal means or collection methods.

And the compiler of the dossier actually turned it over to authorities because of the volatility of the information he was gathering, and it's implication that members of the Trump campaign were willing or unwilling assets of the Russians.

In no way, shape, or form has any known Trump associate seen fit to forward any information to US authorities regarding the criminal actions of the Russian hackers (that we know of at this juncture), quite the opposite. Trump himself promised they'd be "rewarded" by the US press for illegally obtaining Hillary Clinton's missing emails and openly publishing them.

#116 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-10 01:52 PM | Reply

#111

I appreciate the answer, but it makes no sense to me because I am not familiar with the details of this story.

I guess I'm going to have to read up on it.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-10 01:53 PM | Reply

Jeff, Someone up thread said, it isn't the crime but the coverup that gets them in trouble

That's a fair point. Unfortunately for them, Trump is a serial liar and it appears to roll downhill.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-10 01:54 PM | Reply

Okay, my bad. Congratulations on tuning out this madness. I can only wish....

#115 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I just spent a week "Up North" with family and friends. I had far better things to do. :-)

#119 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-10 01:55 PM | Reply

Sounds like the trumpers defense is going to shift from "we didn't collude" to "Sure we colluded because EVERYBODY colludes! What's the big deal?"

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-10 02:05 PM | Reply

How is this different than that Trump "dossier" that was obtained from a former British secret service agent that had all sorts of nasty stuff on Trump?

#110 | Posted by JeffJ

Well that dossier looks to be true.
www.independent.co.uk

So does this story.

I guess they have that in common.

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-07-10 02:07 PM | Reply

Preibus..... Jesus.

Only a republican is stupid enough to think that the DNC could simultaneously be smart enough to sabotage a trump presidency months in advance, but dumb enough not to just win the election instead.

#122 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-07-10 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This:

Veterans of several Republican presidential campaigns say they would never have taken a meeting like the one attended by Donald Trump Jr. last year in June, just weeks before his father officially became the GOP presidential nominee.

Trump Jr. and other White House allies on Monday defended the sit-down by attempting to characterize it as a normal campaign exercise ― as if every presidential campaign were willing to accept help from a nameless foreign agent.

"I've been involved in 9 presidential campaigns ... never happened, never would happen for all kinds of reasons," said GOP consultant John Weaver, who advised the White House bids by Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

Rick Tyler, a former top aide to the presidential campaign of Sen. Ted Cruz Texas, said he would have called the FBI if approached by a foreign agent from an adversarial nation like Russia. "Senior presidential campaign officials don't take meetings with nameless people. Doesn't happen," Tyler said. Cruz emerged as one of Trump's main foes in last year's Republican race.

Michael Steel, a former top aide to the presidential campaign of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, said the presence of a campaign manager at such a meeting would be unusual. "Aside from the candidate himself, the campaign manager's time is among the most valuable resources for any campaign," he told HuffPost. "So, yes, it would be very odd for the campaign manager to appear at a meeting with a more-or-less random foreigner claiming they're peddling [opposition research.]"

Stuart Stevens, the chief strategist for Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign, echoed that sentiment.

"If you can find someone in other presidential campaigns who has received oppo from foreign interests, please share," he wrote on Twitter, referring to opposition research. Stevens noted an episode during the 2000 presidential campaign when debate preparation materials from the campaign of then-Texas Gov. George W. Bush (R) were mysteriously mailed to the campaign of his Democratic opponent, then-Vice President Al Gore. Thomas Downey, Gore's debate coach, contacted the FBI when he realized the package contained leaked information from Bush's campaign.

Richard Painter, the former top ethics lawyer in Bush's administration and a frequent Trump critic, suggested Trump Jr. ought to have done the same. www.huffingtonpost.com

Well that lie got shot down in record time by other Republican presidential campaign veterans. Wonder what the Trumpers will try to float next?

All the while Mueller and his prosecutors are busy, busy, busy... and the clock continues to tick.

#123 | Posted by tonyroma at 2017-07-10 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

------All the while Mueller and his prosecutors are busy, busy, busy... and the clock continues to tick.

------#123 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2017-07-10 02:14 PM

And yet, somehow, trump's supporters think there is no evidence!

#124 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2017-07-10 02:31 PM | Reply

I appreciate the answer, but it makes no sense to me because I am not familiar with the details of this story.

#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT

If you don't know it by now...

Sort of seems like you're waiting on right wing media to spin it and issue talking points.

#125 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hi everyone,

Haven't posted here in years, but I hope no one will mind if I take a nice cool dip in this rare, nearly winger-free thread.

Thanks and peace,
Jimi

#126 | Posted by Jimi_left at 2017-07-10 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Keep on crying ya buncha babies. This is much ado about nothing. Let the idea of a collusion keep taking you further into the rabbit hole.

#127 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-10 03:08 PM | Reply

I appreciate the answer, but it makes no sense to me because I am not familiar with the details of this story.

#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT

If you don't know it by now...

Okay, my bad. Congratulations on tuning out this madness. I can only wish....

#115 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I just spent a week "Up North" with family and friends. I had far better things to do. :-)

#119 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2017-07-10 01:55 PM

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-07-10 03:12 PM | Reply

Let the idea of a collusion keep taking you further into the rabbit hole.
#127 | POSTED BY DONNY33333 A

Is it still considered an "idea" after the guilty party publicly confesses to it???

#129 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2017-07-10 03:29 PM | Reply

"This is much ado about nothing."

Then why has seemingly everyone been lying about contacts with the Russians?

#130 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 03:37 PM | Reply

Also quite possible that the strategy here is to burn the basically useless Don Jr to try to contain this and wrap it up.

He can always be pardoned as long as the do it before impeachment is triggered.

#131 | Posted by leadbelly at 2017-07-10 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is it still considered an "idea" after the guilty party publicly confesses to it???

#129 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT 2017-07-10 03:29 PM | FLAG:

what did he confess to? it certainly wasn't collusion.

#132 | Posted by Donny33333 at 2017-07-10 04:00 PM | Reply

"what did he confess to? it certainly wasn't collusion."

Not for lack of trying.

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-07-10 04:25 PM | Reply

Keep on crying ya buncha babies. This is much ado about nothing. Let the idea of a collusion keep taking you further into the rabbit hole.
#127 | POSTED BY DONNY33333

At this point, we are talking about at least perjury.

#134 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-07-10 04:56 PM | Reply

Why three White House advisers might have wanted to leak a fuller account of Donald Trump Jr.'s Russian lawyer meeting.

www.vox.com

Long and short: to protect Kushner (notice Don Jr takes the blame for having the meeting) and/or to get ahead of something even more damaging (pre-spinning a very bad story).

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-07-10 05:30 PM | Reply

"How is this different than that Trump "dossier" that was obtained from a former British secret service agent that had all sorts of nasty stuff on Trump?"

How is this different?

This is information about an undisclosed meeting with a Russian lawyer with connections to the Kremlin revealed by the (failing) New York Times that has now been verified by Donald Trump Jr.

#136 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 06:29 PM | Reply

If you don't know it by now...

Sort of seems like you're waiting on right wing media to spin it and issue talking points.

#125 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood

Their talking points are emerging slowly.

1) The Democrats put this lawyer up to it.

2) The meeting was previously disclosed by others.

3) Nothing happened in the meeting because it was only 20 minutes.

4) It doesn't look good and not a smart thing to do but this was not a crime.

5) This is an insult to nothing burgers!

6) And why aren't we investigating Podesta???


Did I pretty much cover it righty-tighties?

None of these weak excuses explains why everyone associated with Trump seems to be lying about their contacts with the Russians until some journalist in the Fake News Media finds out about it and publishes it forcing hem to admit they did indeed have contacts with the Russians.

#137 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner, until the legal authorities forensicly exam the server that was supposed to be hacked, there is absolutely no evidence Russia was involved.

Up to today, not a single law or intelegance agency has had the opportunity to examine the contents of that server

Only CrowdStrike, who is aligned with the Democrats, has examined it and their conclusion are being challenged on accuracy.

Can you say KABUKI?

Watch this fall into the memory hole...

#138 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-10 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner, until the legal authorities forensicly exam the server that was supposed to be hacked, there is absolutely no evidence Russia was involved.

Comrade, Comrade, Comrade...

Why are we even talking about the DNC server? We do know it was hacked and the information released at a critical time in the campaign.

And we do know that Russia did hack into our election systems in an attempt to influence the Presidential election in the favor of Donald Trump.

You have already been told by three intelligence agencies and the two ongoing Congressional investigations that Russia successfully breached numerous election systems in an attempt to hack the election. A secret NSA memo has been leaked that contains proof that it was directed by Putin himself. What we don't know is how extensive or successful the hacking was. That is still under investigation.

But, NOW we do know that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian "lawyer" connected with the Kremlin who apparently offered (hacked?) information critical of the Clinton campaign and that Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manaford, and Jared Kushner, all VERY close associates of Donald J. Trump, made contact with said Russian and at least considered if not acquired, purchased or agreed to take this information from the Russians (in exchange for some unknown obligation?) in order to affect the elections.

You want to talk about that? Or do you wish to try and continue to deflect?

ps

Can you spell C.O.L.L.U.S.I.O.N.?

#139 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 08:02 PM | Reply

Yeah
but
Obama

#140 | Posted by cbob at 2017-07-10 08:32 PM | Reply

Comrade, Comrade, Comrade...
Why are we even talking about the DNC server? We do know it was hacked and the information released at a critical time in the campaign.

#137 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Exactly.

So let's examine the DNC server to see who hacked it.

#141 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 08:56 PM | Reply

You have already been told by three intelligence agencies and the two ongoing Congressional investigations that Russia successfully breached numerous election systems in an attempt to hack the election.

#139 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Well, for the past 8 months your story was that it was all 17 intelligence agencies. Now you're down to 3, and the only agency head that had a high degree of confidence in their assessment was Leaky James Comey, who has now famously admitted there is no such evidence.

Two Congressional investigations have said "Russia successfully breached numerous election systems" in an "attempt to hack the election?" Again, no evidence.

Haven't you heard what Van Jones says on this matter? You are trying to feast on nothing.

#142 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 09:06 PM | Reply

#139- so who examined the server and found the evidence that your conclusion is based on?

They are all relying on the CrowdStrike report which is being called into question.

Not a single law enforcement agency has examined the server.

Don't you find it strange?

#143 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-10 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#152

Donald's going to prison.

#144 | Posted by Zed at 2017-07-10 09:26 PM | Reply

You guys crack me up.

Nice to see you.

#145 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 09:42 PM | Reply

Well, for the past 8 months your story was that it was all 17 intelligence agencies. Now you're down to 3, and the only agency head that had a high degree of confidence in their assessment was Leaky James Comey, who has now famously admitted there is no such evidence.

Actually no.

It was 3 agencies that did the investigations in the Russian attempts at interfering in our elections and the analysis and the rest "assessed" that they had a "high confidence" that it was true.

And James Comey did not say there is "no such evidence".

What he did say was that Russia did hack us and they are still hacking us nd will continue to hack us.

"They did it with overwhelming technical efforts, and it was an active-measures campaign driven from the top of the government," Comey said. "That's about as un-fake news as you can possibly get."

#146 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-07-10 09:44 PM | Reply

Which "election systems" did Comey say the Russians hacked, with their overwhelming technical efforts and active-measures campaign?

#147 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 09:47 PM | Reply

Also quite possible that the strategy here is to burn the basically useless Don Jr to try to contain this and wrap it up.
He can always be pardoned as long as the do it before impeachment is triggered.

POSTED BY LEADBELLY AT 2017-07-10 03:54 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY CORKY

How could I leave without seeing this one.

You guys are *this close* to total victory!

#148 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 09:47 PM | Reply

Well, for the past 8 months your story was that it was all 17 intelligence agencies. Now you're down to 3, and the only agency head that had a high degree of confidence in their assessment was Leaky James Comey, who has now famously admitted there is no such evidence.
Actually no.
It was 3 agencies that did the investigations in the Russian attempts at interfering in our elections and the analysis and the rest "assessed" that they had a "high confidence" that it was true.
And James Comey did not say there is "no such evidence".
What he did say was that Russia did hack us and they are still hacking us nd will continue to hack us.
"They did it with overwhelming technical efforts, and it was an active-measures campaign driven from the top of the government," Comey said. "That's about as un-fake news as you can possibly get."
#146 | Posted by donnerboy

www.reactiongifs.com

-Prolapse

#149 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-10 09:48 PM | Reply

17 intelligence organizations or 4? Either way, Russia conclusion still valid

www.politifact.com

#150 | Posted by Corky at 2017-07-10 09:56 PM | Reply

I went looking for a link on my own (I do that sort of thing) based on your quote and I found this report from Comey's June 7th testimony:

"Comey confirmed that Trump wasn't under investigation when he served as the FBI director."

No citation necessary.

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 09:59 PM | Reply

149- those aren't my words. Don't assign them to me.

I'll ask you and Corky.

Which law enforcement agency examined the hacked server.

And

We know they haven't so where are these conclusions coming from?

Last time I checked CrowdStrike is not a law enforcement agency..

#152 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2017-07-10 10:01 PM | Reply

Trump Campaign WAS under investigation.
Trump is NOW under investigation.

Try to keep up.

No Citation Necessary

#153 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-10 10:01 PM | Reply

Sure, Corky. Let's just have Politifact provide a little context.

LOL

#154 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 10:02 PM | Reply

149- those aren't my words. Don't assign them to me.

#152 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

Those are pretty good words, though.

Abide.

#155 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2017-07-10 10:03 PM | Reply

After allegations were raised that some of the emails in question contained classified information, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) initiated an investigation regarding the origin and handling of classified emails on Clinton's server. The FBI Report found that some of the emails originated in five other intelligence agencies. The FBI found that all classified emails on Clinton's server were stored and sent from "unclassified systems", violating the same policies as those on Clinton's personal server.

wikipedia

In September 2015, FBI investigators were engaged in sorting messages recovered from the server

from Bloomberg

You're welcome

#156 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-07-10 10:06 PM | Reply

1) hackers didn't have to be successful to be detected. We block and log MILLIONS of attempts per second where I work. None of them even get onto the network segment where their target lives

2) They can't reveal the evidence they have without telling the hackers important information about how they got the evidence

3) Convincing YOU of Donalds guilt is not needed and likely not possible even if we had video of Donald shooting someone on 5th avenue

#157 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-07-10 10:11 PM | Reply

Ah, the evening shift of Traitors have arrived!! Prolicks and Dixville Snots are here just in time to take over for the early crew since they're all day drinkers.

#158 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2017-07-11 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm disappointed that I had to scroll down so far before I got to relish in the desperate ravings of the pro-Trump crowd. Really, kids, you can do so much better than that.

#159 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-07-11 05:21 PM | Reply

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