Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, June 19, 2017

A man drove a van into worshipers close to the Muslim Welfare House in Finsbury Park [in London] as they were gathered to help an elderly man who had collapsed. That man later died, but it is not clear if his death was the result of the attack. Ten others were also hurt. A 48-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. ... Police said all the victims of the attack were Muslim and many were believed to have just left evening prayers after breaking the Ramadan fast. ... [Imam] Mohammed Mahmoud told reporters: "We told them the situation -- there's a man, he's restrained, he mowed down a group of people with his van and there is a mob attempting to hurt him and if you don't take him then, God forbid, he might be seriously hurt."

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The suspect screamed "I'm going to kill all Muslims" before he was tackled to the floor, according to a witness.

Yep. Revenge terror attack.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2017-06-18 11:26 PM | Reply

Name a terror attack that isn't a revenge attack.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 01:00 AM | Reply

Revenge implies that the worshipers were involved in the original terror attack.

this was just a terror attack.

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-06-19 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The silence from Trump about this will be staggering. Only white lives matter.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Finsbury Park attack: Theresa May condemns 'sickening' terror attack
www.bbc.com

...Prime Minister Theresa May says the terror attack near a north London mosque is "every bit as sickening" as other recent ones to hit the UK.

One man died and 10 people were left injured after a man drove a van into worshippers close to the Muslim Welfare House in Finsbury Park.

A white man aged 48 has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick said the incident was "quite clearly an attack on Muslims".

She said the community would see more police, including armed officers, in the area, "particularly around religious establishments".

The attack happened shortly after midnight when a group of people helping a man who had collapsed on the pavement were hit by the van.

The man has died, but it is unclear whether this was as a result of the attack.

It is the fourth terror attack in the UK in three months, after incidents in Westminster, Manchester and on London Bridge.

Police said all the victims of the attack were Muslim and many were believed to have just left evening prayers after breaking the Ramadan fast....

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-19 11:04 AM | Reply

"...Prime Minister Theresa May says the terror attack near a north London mosque is "every bit as sickening" as other recent ones to hit the UK."

Little d tweets about his shyster's appearance on Faux Nooze.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 11:09 AM | Reply

interesing.. major terror attack, but not on front page.

#7 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-06-19 11:10 AM | Reply

Has Trump twitted about this yet?

#8 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-06-19 11:32 AM | Reply


From the cited article:

...Security Minster Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.

The prime minister said police declared it a terrorist incident within eight minutes and a white man in his 40s was now in custody....

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-19 11:58 AM | Reply

Damn it. Now we have to kick the White people out of the country.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-06-19 12:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is just the beginning of backlashes to come

#11 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 12:28 PM | Reply

1) When will The ban on people from 6 predominately white christian nations take effect?

2) which Christian nation should we bomb for the next 15-20 years?

#12 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-06-19 12:36 PM | Reply

this was just a terror attack.
#3 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

The Mayor of London (a Muslim) is calling this a hate crime. Is that a fair description even though this attack on Muslims is identical in every way to a Muslim attacking Brits?

#13 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:39 PM | Reply

Has Trump twitted about this yet?

#8 | POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2017-06-19 11:32 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Has he twitted about any attack on muslims yet?

#14 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

1) When will The ban on people from 6 predominately white christian nations take effect?
#12 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Ban from which nation and which are the 6 christian nations?

#15 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:40 PM | Reply

Has he twitted about any attack on muslims yet?
#14 | POSTED BY 726

I've heard of a twit race. Is twitted a kind of dance?

#16 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:42 PM | Reply

This is just the beginning of backlashes to come

They are no different than the extremists they hate. How does attacking innocent people punish the extremists?

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Mayor of London (a Muslim) is calling this a hate crime. Is that a fair description even though this attack on Muslims is identical in every way to a Muslim attacking Brits?
#13 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 12:39 PM | FLAG:

Yes. Any other stupid questions?

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 12:51 PM | Reply

The "ban" was supposedly done to provide ninety days for the U.S. to get its extreme vetting process in place. It has been well more than ninety days since they proposed it, so the extreme vetting process should be up and running and there should be no need for the "ban." Right?

#19 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-06-19 12:52 PM | Reply

The "ban" was supposedly done to provide ninety days for the U.S. to get its extreme vetting process in place. It has been well more than ninety days since they proposed it, so the extreme vetting process should be up and running and there should be no need for the "ban." Right?

#19 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

Yes, agreed.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2017-06-19 12:54 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2017-06-19 12:42 PM | FLAG:

Ummm.... By using Fear as a weapon

#21 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 12:55 PM | Reply


www.washingtonpost.com

...Speaking to the Guardian newspaper, 28-year old bystander Hassan Yassin said he feared that the likely attack would only contribute to a cycle of violence. "This will only fuel Muslim extremists to carry out more attacks. They will use that as a justification to carry out more attacks," he said.

In a handbook released two years ago, authors associated with the Islamic State terrorist group openly hoped for such a scenario to provoke more violence. "When Muslims and Mosques will be attacked by neo-Nazis in protests, Muslims will do counter-protests," the propaganda book's authors speculated. There are so far no indications that a neo-Nazi or right-wing sympathizer was behind Monday morning's attack, even though it was a notion which was frequently implied on social media.

"This is how the future Jihad in Europe will begin," the handbook went on to explain, urging its sympathizers to mix with Muslim protesters to fuel the violence. "People in between will be caught in crossfire and will have to pick sides."

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-19 01:11 PM | Reply

The Mayor of London (a Muslim) is calling this a hate crime. Is that a fair description even though this attack on Muslims is identical in every way to a Muslim attacking Brits?
#13 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 12:39 PM | FLAG:
Yes. Any other stupid questions?
#18 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Why didn't he call the same thing against Brits a hate crime?

Why is it a stupid question when you can't see the obvious hypocrisy?

#23 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:27 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2017-06-19 12:52 PM | FLAG:
#19 | POSTED BY MONTECORE
#20 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I thought it put a 90-day delay on granting a VISA to anyone from any of these countries.

#24 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:32 PM | Reply

this was just a terror attack.

#3 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD AT 2017-06-19 01:13 AM | FLAG:

Yep

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-06-19 01:46 PM | Reply

"Why didn't he call the same thing against Brits a hate crime?"

A) Because it wasn't.

B) Because the people at the Mosque were Brits too.

#26 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The Mayor of London (a Muslim) is calling this a hate crime. Is that a fair description even though this attack on Muslims is identical in every way to a Muslim attacking Brits?
#13 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 12:39 PM | REPLY"

If you are really interested in the distinction between hate crime and terrorism, here is an article:

edition.cnn.com

Of course, you are not really interested in the answer. Your post is simply an excuse to indirectly accuse Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor, of treating this differently to previous terror attacks because he is Muslim. This reflects your own prejudice, not his.

#27 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-19 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

By using Fear as a weapon

#21 | POSTED BY CMBELL73 AT 2017-06-19 12:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG

How does it punish the terrorists? It only punishes innocent people. That is the single most retarded concept I have ever heard. How does that reconcile with teachings of Christ?

#28 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 02:52 PM | Reply

The Mayor of London (a Muslim) is calling this a hate crime. Is that a fair description even though this attack on Muslims is identical in every way to a Muslim attacking Brits?
#13 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 12:39 PM | FLAG:
Yes. Any other stupid questions?
#18 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN
Why didn't he call the same thing against Brits a hate crime?
Why is it a stupid question when you can't see the obvious hypocrisy?
#23 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN

You have to see it from LastAmerican's perspective. All Brits are white, god fearing Christians. So an attack on them is a hate crime. It's not an attack on a group of citizens but an attack on White Christians.

So in his mind, it's EXACTLY like this attack.

This is what happens when you never get out of your mom's basement.

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-06-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No matter what it is disgusting. And Donald Trump's failure to make a comment condemning it (so far as I know of right now) says oodles. He's the hypocrit that he acts like. All over the other attack and blaming everyone yet nothing here. Even worse - I just posted another article about an attack right here in the US yesterday. Silence. This troll continues to be a truly disgusting human being in my book.

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-06-19 03:38 PM | Reply

the previous driver attacked people walking across a bridge without any regard for what religion they were. He wasn't attacking them because of their religion. Some of them may have been muslims for all they knew.

This attack was on a group of muslims exiting a mosque. They were chosen as targets BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION.

Do you see the difference yet?

#31 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-06-19 03:48 PM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2017-06-19 02:52 PM | REPLY
Because Fear, might turn Moderate Muslims against Extreemist... Britain Citizens were never Anti-Muslim, Muslims have lived in Britain for years. Only recently has Islams Violence turn the tide in Britians opinion on this matter, and now you're seeing a backlash... Terror vs Terror, Fear vs Fear, "Fighting Fire With Fire".... Another Nothing New Concept

#32 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because Fear, might turn Moderate Muslims against Extreemist..."

So, to be clear, you are coming out in support of this awful hate crime?

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 04:42 PM | Reply

"I thought it put a 90-day delay on granting a VISA to anyone from any of these countries.
#24 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN"

What was the stated purpose of this 90 day period?

#34 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2017-06-19 04:48 PM | Reply

Because Fear, might turn Moderate Muslims against Extreemist(sic)...
#32 | POSTED BY CMBELL73

More likely to turn Moderate Muslims into extremists.

#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-06-19 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

35

why? most moderate Christians have turned against extremists rather than into them.

why not Muslims?

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:00 PM | Reply

why? most moderate Christians have turned against extremists rather than into them.

#36 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-06-19 05:00 PM | FLAG:

Which was not a position they were terrorized into by non-Christians.

#37 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:03 PM | Reply

37

I don't follow

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:10 PM | Reply

33 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-06-19 04:42 PM | FLAG:
Typlical Response from You.... "It's about me"

No, it's not about me, please do some reasearch

#39 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 05:15 PM | Reply

36 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-06-19 05:00 PM | FLAG:

AGREED!!!!

#40 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 05:28 PM | Reply

No, it's not about me, please do some reasearch

#39 | POSTED BY CMBELL73 AT 2017-06-19 05:15 PM | FLAG:

Into what?

#41 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:28 PM | Reply

I don't follow

#38 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-06-19 05:10 PM | FLAG:

CMBELL was suggesting that being the victims of terrorist reprisals would turn Muslims against Muslim extremists (as if they aren't largely against them already). You tried to compare this to the adoption of liberalism and secularism by western Christians and I pointed out that they weren't terrorized into adopting those positions by others.

#42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:31 PM | Reply

42

You're saying that muslim extremists were terrorized into being that way?

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:39 PM | Reply

Ummm... Why is there might be a "Backlash" to a British population that Welcomed "Refugees/Immigrants"??? What is the "Root Cause"???

#44 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 05:39 PM | Reply

You're saying that muslim extremists were terrorized into being that way?

#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-06-19 05:39 PM | FLAG:

What? No. I am talking about CMBELL's claim.

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:42 PM | Reply

Ummm... Why is there might be a "Backlash" to a British population that Welcomed "Refugees/Immigrants"??? What is the "Root Cause"???

#44 | POSTED BY CMBELL73 AT 2017-06-19 05:39 PM | FLAG:

What are you talking about? Backlash? From whom?

There are lots of reasons extremists target the U.K.

#46 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:44 PM | Reply

What? No. I am talking about CMBELL's claim.

#45 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-06-19 05:42 PM | FLAG:

Meaning, I am not talking about the motives of extremists. I am answering the suggestion that extremism is an antidote to extremism.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:45 PM | Reply

#46 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-06-19 05:44 PM | FLAG:

I Know, You're Trying to Troll Me... My position remains the same, even if you try to Deceive others... As a Troll, I'm sure you know how long I've been on DR

#48 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 05:52 PM | Reply

I Know, You're Trying to Troll Me... My position remains the same, even if you try to Deceive others... As a Troll, I'm sure you know how long I've been on DR

#48 | POSTED BY CMBELL73 AT 2017-06-19 05:52 PM | FLAG:

Don't blame your near-complete incoherence on me. I am just trying to make sense of your posts...

#49 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 05:55 PM | Reply

49 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2017-06-19 05:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Not Only That, but my Random "Capital Letters" with "Crazy" quotes, and commas, Yet you Still Adress Me

#50 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 06:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

You have to see it from LastAmerican's perspective. All Brits are white, god fearing Christians. So an attack on them is a hate crime. It's not an attack on a group of citizens but an attack on White Christians.
#29 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Doesn't make it any less hypocritical. The Mayor of London has shown that he's a hypocrite to all Brits.

Why does this piss you off?

#51 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Doesn't make it any less hypocritical. The Mayor of London has shown that he's a hypocrite to all Brits."

No, he really hasn't, you poor, confused soul. Look at all the posts on this thread showing how very wrong you are.

#52 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 06:37 PM | Reply

Of course, you are not really interested in the answer. Your post is simply an excuse to indirectly accuse Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor, of treating this differently to previous terror attacks because he is Muslim. This reflects your own prejudice, not his.
#27 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

Actually, it shows that you are unable to take race and culture out of it and judge it for what it really is.

YES, Sadiq Khan is a Muslim.
YES, he called this a hate crime and did not call the attacks by Muslims hate crimes
YES, he's a hypocrite.
YES, he's prejudiced

If you can't understand that, then you are blinded by prejudice, maybe even bigotry.

#53 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No, he really hasn't, you poor, confused soul. Look at all the posts on this thread showing how very wrong you are.
#52 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Why does this fact threaten all of you then?

The responses that I got were hate filled and didn't prove my argument wrong at all!

#54 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"YES, Sadiq Khan is a Muslim."

So much for "taking race and religion out of it."

"YES, he called this a hate crime and did not call the attacks by Muslims hate crimes"

As is entirely appropriate and correct.

"YES, he's a hypocrite
YES, he's prejudiced"

Not based on anything you have said.

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 06:42 PM | Reply

"Why does this fact threaten all of you then?"

You haven't presented any facts.

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 06:43 PM | Reply

So, to be clear, you are coming out in support of this awful hate crime?
#33 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

If this is a hate crime, then every act of terrorism is a hate crime!

Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor has set a new precedent.

Don't you see the bigotry in trying to draw a distinction between the two?

#57 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Why does this fact threaten all of you then?"
You haven't presented any facts.
#56 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

There is nothing but opinion and logic on this thread and you and a few others are threatened by my logic.

#58 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

If this is a hate crime, then every act of terrorism is a hate crime!
Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor has set a new precedent.
Don't you see the bigotry in trying to draw a distinction between the two?
#57 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 06:48 PM | FLAG:

The law draws a distinction between hate crimes and terrorism. This is nothing new.

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Time to stop dude.

#60 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 06:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

There is nothing but opinion and logic on this thread and you and a few others are threatened by my logic.
#58 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 06:50 PM | FLAG:

What logic? You are just trying to smear a Muslim mayor for no reason.

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 06:55 PM | Reply

Time to stop dude.

#60 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 06:54 PM | FLAG:

You first. You are advancing the hateful narrative that London's mayor is guilty of bias just because of his faith. Shame on you.

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:01 PM | Reply

The police and Crown Prosecution Service have agreed a common definition of hate incidents.
They say something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on one of the following things:
disability
race
religion
transgender identity
sexual orientation.

Killing someone and yelling I want to kill all Muslims is a hate crime, by definition. For it to be terrorism it would need a political motive, which I think it had.

Killing people and yelling Allah Snackbar is terrorism, but may not be a hate crime if the target is based on nationality (UK) rather than race or religion.

#63 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:07 PM | Reply

IRA acts of terror on London were not hate crimes as the target was the UK not just protestants. Hate crimes were plentiful during the troubles though because the terror was targeted at religions.

#64 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:09 PM | Reply

You first. You are advancing the hateful narrative that London's mayor is guilty of bias just because of his faith. Shame on you.
#62 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

No, because he's a Leftist is why he has a biased.

If he's biased because he's a Muslim, then he's a bigot.

But, thx for admitting (finally) that he is biased. We are getting somewhere.

#65 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:10 PM | Reply

Yea, Criticize the Normal UK Poulation on their "Traditional Values"

#66 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2017-06-19 07:11 PM | Reply

IRA acts of terror on London were not hate crimes as the target was the UK not just protestants. Hate crimes were plentiful during the troubles though because the terror was targeted at religions.
#64 | POSTED BY BORED

Good point. It's because the Brits were the aggressors in Ireland. Why is there Islamic terrorism in Britain now?

#67 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:12 PM | Reply

LostAmerican, do you claim Trump is a hypocrite or bigot because he condemns terrorism by Muslims and not others?
Or are the only hate crimes that matter to little d committed by those that call him names, ask him questions, report the news or investigate his campaign?

#68 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:13 PM | Reply

Yea, Criticize the Normal UK Poulation on their "Traditional Values"
#66 | POSTED BY CMBELL73

Yes. I don't understand why a Brit must defend their own culture. When the French defend their culture in their own country, they are labeled racists, bigots, white supremacists, etc. The French have lost that battle.

#69 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:15 PM | Reply

No, because he's a Leftist is why he has a biased.
If he's biased because he's a Muslim, then he's a bigot.
But, thx for admitting (finally) that he is biased. We are getting somewhere.

#65 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 07:10 PM | FLAG:

I didn't admit any such thing. I pointed out you are claiming bias, with no proof, in a way that advances a hateful narrative. I also pointed out that you should be ashamed. Are you? Even a little?

#70 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:16 PM | Reply

#67 Blair and Bush led the invasion of Iraq that devastated Sunnis causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. The UK was the aggressor and some people in the UK blame the UK for the deaths of their family and friends.
Is that so hard to understand?

#71 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#68 | POSTED BY BORED

Did you just compare Sadiq Khan to Trump?

#72 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:19 PM | Reply

Nope, Sadiq Khan has condemned all terrorist acts in London, he merely pointed out this latest act was also clearly a hate crime.
Maybe you should have a nap and rest up before posting again.

#73 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:21 PM | Reply

Yea, Criticize the Normal UK Poulation on their "Traditional Values"

#66 | POSTED BY CMBELL73 AT 2017-06-19 07:11 PM | FLAG:

"Normal" population?

#74 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is that so hard to understand?
#71 | POSTED BY BORED

I knew that, but is that reason for the latest attacks by Muslims?

#75 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:22 PM | Reply

Nope, Sadiq Khan has condemned all terrorist acts in London, he merely pointed out this latest act was also clearly a hate crime.
#73 | POSTED BY BORED

LOL. Amazing that Leftism has brainwashed you. It won't allow you to think outside that circle!

And stop trying to be smart. It's annoying.

#76 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:25 PM | Reply

I don't know, do you? Did they say death to Christians or some such? If they did then it is a hate crime, if not, I don't know and neither do you.

#77 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:25 PM | Reply

I knew that, but is that reason for the latest attacks by Muslims?

#75 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2017-06-19 07:22 PM | FLAG:

Is there ever an excuse for terrorism? What are you really asking here?

#78 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:25 PM | Reply

Is there ever an excuse for terrorism? What are you really asking here?

Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:25 PM | Reply

It's Horace what do you expect???

#79 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-06-19 07:26 PM | Reply

I understand smart people annoy you, but there is hope, it is never to late to learn stuff, just verify claims and look for supporting evidence.

#80 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 07:27 PM | Reply

"Actually, it shows that you are unable to take race and culture out of it and judge it for what it really is.
YES, Sadiq Khan is a Muslim.
YES, he called this a hate crime and did not call the attacks by Muslims hate crimes
YES, he's a hypocrite.
YES, he's prejudiced
If you can't understand that, then you are blinded by prejudice, maybe even bigotry.
#53 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN "

I have already posted an article which fairly concisely articulates the difference between hate crime and terrorist acts. As I said, you are not interested in the difference.

In any event this is moot, because after further reading news reports, I'm struggling to find any relevance to your original comment. Sadiq Khan has clearly called the attack a terrorist act, as detailed in this quote:

"Terrorism is terrorism," he told reporters. "It doesn't matter whether you're inspired by a perverse force of Islam -- a perverse version of Islam -- or you're inspired by some other motives to try and terrorize others. The intention is the same."

Here is the link:

abcnews.go.com

One of us is blinded by prejudiced and a bigotry. I'm feeling quietly confident it's not me.

#81 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-19 07:30 PM | Reply

Sadiq Khan has clearly called the attack a terrorist act
#81 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

I did not deny that.

But, is he now backing off the Hate Crime comment?

One of us is blinded by prejudiced and a bigotry. I'm feeling quietly confident it's not me.
#81 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

Those who live in glass houses.

Yes, I think Sadiq Khan as bigoted as Trump with his Hate Crime comment and other comments he's made in the past. Why is that not clear to you?

Do you think Trump is a bigot? Those who live in glass houses.

#82 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:37 PM | Reply

"Yes, I think Sadiq Khan as bigoted as Trump with his Hate Crime comment"

Why, though? The comment was appropriate. He condemned the attack and it was, by definition, a hate crime. So what is the problem?

#83 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:43 PM | Reply

Why, though? The comment was appropriate. He condemned the attack and it was, by definition, a hate crime. So what is the problem?
#83 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Then the last three attacks by Muslims are hate crimes as well.

That's the point I've been making about all of your leftist heads are exploding!

#84 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:46 PM | Reply

"Then the last three attacks by Muslims are hate crimes as well."

Not according to the British definition. This has been explained to you and explained to you. If you don't like the definition, then fine. But you can hardly fault a public official for using it in an official statement.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 07:49 PM | Reply

What's the terrorism score now....muslims vs infidels?

#86 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-06-19 07:51 PM | Reply

"Yes, I think Sadiq Khan as bigoted as Trump with his Hate Crime comment and other comments he's made in the past. Why is that not clear to you?

Do you think Trump is a bigot? Those who live in glass houses.

#82 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT"

It is clear to me that you believe Khan to be a bigot. I do not agree.

I do believe Trump to be bigot, which in simple terms is defined as someone intolerant to those holding different opinions.

#87 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-19 07:54 PM | Reply

What's the terrorism score now....muslims vs infidels?

Long term, probably about the same as Christians vs heretics.

#88 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-06-19 07:56 PM | Reply

I do believe Trump to be bigot, which in simple terms is defined as someone intolerant to those holding different opinions.
#87 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

That's not the definition of bigotry (LOL), but in the real definition, I see Trump as bigoted and Khan as well. Most Democrats are bigoted in much the same way. That's my only point.

#89 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One of us is blinded by prejudiced and a bigotry. I'm feeling quietly confident it's not me.
#81 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

By your definitional of bigotry, you are subtly, indirectly bigoted. LOL.

#90 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 08:15 PM | Reply

What's the terrorism score now....muslims vs infidels?

#86 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2017-06-19 07:51 PM | Reply

Muslims and jews are infidels.Christians are Kafirs.

#91 | Posted by Scotty at 2017-06-19 08:25 PM | Reply

"That's not the definition of bigotry (LOL)...".
#89 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN"

If you say so.

Here's the simple definition I used:

"big·ot
ˈbiɡət/Submit
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."

Here's another, more complex definition:

"bigot
noun [ C ] UK ​ /ˈbɪɡ.ət/ US ​ /ˈbɪɡ.ət/ disapproving

a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life:"

Your views are what they are. I simply disagree with them as expressed on this thread. Take this comment of yours:

"Most Democrats are bigoted in much the same way."

I have no idea how many Democrats there are in total in the US, but in the last election roughly 65m voted for Clinton. How many of those do you know? I would be prepared to bet a very large amount of money that you do not know " most" of these, yet you characterise them as "bigoted." It's just my opinion, but someone making such a clearly unsupportable statement because someone is, in this case a Democrat, is bigoted.

#92 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-19 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"hate crime" don't know if that's true.. maybe... but what did say for sure is

"This is a truly horrific terrorist attack on our city that deliberately targeted innocent Londoners... Terrorism is terrorism whether it's Islamist inspired, or inspired by others."

#93 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-06-20 12:02 AM | Reply

#92 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

ahem:

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

#94 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 09:33 AM | Reply

Your views are what they are. I simply disagree with them as expressed on this thread. Take this comment of yours:
"Most Democrats are bigoted in much the same way."
#92 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

LOL!! Don't get defensive. You know what you said. You implied that I'm the bigot. You said "II'm feeling quietly confident it's not me" and there is only one other person in this conversation! LOL.

Also, later in your post, you are arguing yourself into a corner. Statistical reasoning, you know Science. You do believe in science, don't you?

I said,
"Most Democrats are bigoted in much the same way."

Are you really going to sit there and say what you said about Democrats when we all agree that most Democrats think and say that they are "not bigoted and it's the Republicans who are bigots and racists"? gotcha.

LOL!!

Just a reminder:

One of us is blinded by prejudiced and a bigotry. I'm feeling quietly confident it's not me.
#81 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

#95 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 09:46 AM | Reply

"hate crime" don't know if that's true.. maybe... but what did say for sure is
#93 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

Yeah, I think the news sources are pulling it back to keep this from escalating more. Khan was stupid to call it a hate crime when the crime is exactly like the ones he called terrorism.

I think now (thank you Khan) that all of these attacks are hate crimes.

Islamic Extremists hate infidels and want to kill all of them.

#96 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 09:50 AM | Reply

"Hate crimes" may be a better way of describing these attacks than "terrorism".

Terrorists usually have a somewhat clear cause they are trying to support.

None of these asshats who drive into crowds are really supporting a cause. They're just random bigoted lunatics who want to kill people. Even if ISIS claims credit or the attacker mentions ISIS, there are never any demands or political goals mentioned.

Just a bunch of hateful losers running people over. "Terrorist" is too good to describe these walking sacks of refuse.

#97 | Posted by Sully at 2017-06-20 10:22 AM | Reply

Just a bunch of hateful losers running people over. "Terrorist" is too good to describe these walking sacks of refuse.
#97 | POSTED BY SULLY

That's what I thought. I just had to hear someone say it. ISIS terrorists are not "haters" and are better than white Christians who do the same thing.

I was wondering why it's so hard for DR Lefties to grasp that all of these crimes as, indeed, hate crimes!

#98 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 10:42 AM | Reply

" Statistical reasoning, you know Science. You do believe in science, don't you?

I said,
Most Democrats are bigoted in much the same way."

Are you really going to sit there and say what you said about Democrats when we all agree that most Democrats think and say that they are "not bigoted and it's the Republicans who are bigots and racists"? gotcha.

#95 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN

For someone who seems to believe they are grounded in science and refers to statistical reasoning, you appear, with respect, incapable of recognising breaches of such reasoning.

You do not know " most" democrats. I do not know "most" democrats. We each know some democrats, but not enough to support your statement " ...when we all agree that most Democrats think and say that they are "not bigoted and it's the Republicans who are bigots and racists" This statement fails on 2 levels:

1) you have no way of knowing " ... what we all agree " since clearly you do not know us all;
2) you do not know " most democrats" so any valid statement is limited to something like " most Democrats I know think...".

I have not inferred that you are a bigot. I stated explciitly that in my opinion you are a bigot and I based this opinion on the fact that you are prepared to make sweeping statements about democrats views when you do not have direct knowledge of such views - see above.

I have a second opinion of you now, based on your use of " gotcha". I'll keep this one to myself since it is not relevant to the general topic.

#99 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-20 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#99 | POSTED BY FOREIGNER

yeah, gotcha. You are not able to reason out of this one and I'm pretty sure after your explanation that you don't know what sampling is.

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Try again. This is entertaining watching you try to reason your way out of it.

#100 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 11:35 AM | Reply

"yeah, gotcha. You are not able to reason out of this one and I'm pretty sure after your explanation that you don't know what sampling is.
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Try again. This is entertaining watching you try to reason your way out of it.

#100 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN"

Oh dear, I see you have retreated to fantasy land now, where you carry out statistical sampling ( or research appropriate studies online ) before posting your nonsense. Sorry, I don't believe you.

The reason I say this is that your phrase " ...what we all agree..." could, given the real world circumstances existing in the US and outlined in your posts, never result from statistical sampling. Since you consider yourself to be rooted in science, I'll leave you to work out why this is so.

#102 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-06-20 12:36 PM | Reply

and that's the way the cookie crumbles.

#103 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-20 02:11 PM | Reply

yeah, gotcha. You are not able to reason out of this one and I'm pretty sure after your explanation that you don't know what sampling is.
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Try again. This is entertaining watching you try to reason your way out of it.

#100 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN

This word, "Reason." I'm not sure you understand what it means.

#104 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-06-20 02:56 PM | Reply

"You are not able to reason out of this one and I'm pretty sure after your explanation that you don't know what sampling is. "

After reading your conclusions, it seems you're the one who doesn't understand how sampling works.

I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with surveying the people in your circle.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-20 03:03 PM | Reply

I find it ironic that it is considered a military operation to drop a 500 pound bomb on a house and an act of terrorism to load up 500 pounds of explosives on a truck and detonate it at a check point. The effects seem very similar. I have seen both. I thought the insurgnets in Iraq were more than a little stupid. All they had to do was to stay quite for a few months and we would have left. Then they could get back to killing each other with the gusto they have practiced for 1300 years.

#106 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-06-21 10:47 AM | Reply

After reading your conclusions, it seems you're the one who doesn't understand how sampling works.
I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with surveying the people in your circle.
#105 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

So, the Democrats in Congress don't count? Those blasting on social media and through the Main Stream Media don't count? Are you and foreigner really going to sit there with egg on your faces and argue your weak point that the Democrats, most of them and I would put in the high 80%, watch these Democratic leaders and are influenced by them? They all say the same thing:

"We are not the bigots, but the Republicans are!"

You both really need to pick your battles.

#107 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-21 11:02 AM | Reply

#107

Are the goalposts heavy when you have to move them that far, that fast?

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-21 12:36 PM | Reply

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