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Saturday, June 17, 2017

Senate Republicans can't answer simple and critical questions about the health care bill they're crafting in secret. Some still can't say what it's trying to do -- other than garner enough votes to pass the Senate -- or how they believe it will improve the American health care system. With the bill's text still not released for public view, Vox asked GOP senators to explain their hopes for it. Who will benefit from the legislation? What problems is this bill trying to solve? "All of them," Sen. John McCain said in an interview, not an uncharacteristic response of his Republican Senate colleagues. Over the course of the past week, Vox asked eight Republican senators to explain the affirmative case for the bill. They rarely answered directly, at least not on the bill's policy merits.

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Sometimes a senator could identify a desired outcome, like "lowering premiums" or "stabilizing marketplaces." But they rarely could explain the mechanism through which they planned on achieving that outcome.

How will Republicans lower premiums? "It's working together and coming up with a bill that does do that," Sen. John Boozman of Arkansas said. What tool will bring stability to Obamacare's volatile exchanges? "By bringing certainty to the insurance market," Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa said. What new policy will lead tax cuts to lower premiums? "It's teetering because the exchanges are failing," Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi explained.

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Healthcare is complex. If only it were the simple problem to solve that Pres Trump said it was.

It isn't. And Congress is discovering the complexity.

For example, buried in the details of coverage, deeper down than pre-existing conditions, even deeper down than community benchmarks, there lurk demons in the language of the bill.

What is an emergency? What are the parameters a person should be aware of before 911 is dialed?

Under Obamacare, a.k.a. the Affordable Care Act, if a person calls an ambulance because of severe chest pains, and goes to the emergency room, that person is covered. Period.

Under the healthcare plan passed by the House of Representatives, if a person calls an ambulance because of severe chest pains, that person may or may not be covered. The "event" will be covered only if the insurance company determines that the diagnosis, not the symptoms, of the event was an emergency.

Let me say this a bit more clearly...

Under Obamacare, if you feel symptoms that could warrant an emergency room visit you are covered.

Under Republican healthcare, if you feel symptoms that could warrant an emergency room visit you are covered only if the resulting diagnosis results in an emergency condition.

Let that sink in ... I'll wait.

... ... ... ... ...

The Republican healthcare plan requires anyone who wants to use emergency service to be capable of making a medical diagnosis of the cause of the symptoms --- requiring someone to have extensive medical equipment in the home in order to perform the EKG's or whatever, to distinguish a heart attack from something else with similar symptoms.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-17 07:03 PM | Reply

The GOtP medical plan is simple.............

--..... and DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish I were joking!

#2 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-06-17 08:04 PM | Reply

@#2 ... --..... and DIE!!!!!!!!!!! ...

You are not too far off.

Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care.
- Rep. Raúl R. Labrador, a member of the influential House Freedom Caucus
(
www.washingtonpost.com )

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-17 08:27 PM | Reply

"Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care."

We've had idiots on the DR repeat the same load of malarkey.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 08:30 PM | Reply

The Republican healthcare plan requires anyone who wants to use emergency service to be capable of making a medical diagnosis of the cause of the symptoms --- requiring someone to have extensive medical equipment in the home in order to perform the EKG's or whatever, to distinguish a heart attack from something else with similar symptoms.
#1 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Even that's overthinking it a bit.

It requires people to wait until it's likely too late to seek medical care out of fear that they'll go bankrupt for being prudent.

It disincentivizes proactive behavior in regards to medical conditions, which is the exact opposite one wants when it comes to decreases medical costs across the board.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2017-06-18 01:04 AM | Reply

WHY THE F didn't the -----* --------- allow porting of your plan to other states??? Boggles the mind.

#6 | Posted by robadude32 at 2017-06-18 11:57 AM | Reply

We have to pass it to see what's in it.

#7 | Posted by Federalist at 2017-06-18 12:35 PM | Reply

We have to pass it to see what's in it.

#7 | POSTED BY FEDERALIST

You're beyond disingenuous if you claim with a straight face that this is remotely close to how the ACA was passed.

Or was your post meant to express childish spite?

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2017-06-18 01:02 PM | Reply

We have to pass it to see what's in it.

#7 | Posted by Federalist

No we don't. THat's the thing about republicans, they're are 1000% predictable: More for the rich, less for everyone else.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-18 02:34 PM | Reply

How many Democratic Senators did you ask about Obamacare? Did the speaker of the House Republicans say the Republican speaker said "We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it?"

#10 | Posted by Donald at 2017-06-18 03:50 PM | Reply

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"Did the speaker of the House Republicans say the Republican speaker said "We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it?""

In other words, you were against it then, and every day since then. Until Republicans did it, and to a much greater degree.

Until you condemn Rs with (at least) the same fervor which you condemned Ds, you're part of the problem.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-18 03:53 PM | Reply

Until you condemn Rs with (at least) the same fervor which you condemned Ds, you're part of the problem.

#11 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2017-06-18 05:08 PM | Reply

How many Democratic Senators did you ask about Obamacare? Did the speaker of the House Republicans say the Republican speaker said "We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it?"

#10 | POSTED BY DONALD

Man, Mr. President. You must be getting desperate to come here.

We didn't have to ask Dem Senators because Obamacare wasn't drafted in secret. People had a year to read it.

Are you really this stupid?

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-06-19 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They know there is no defense, so all they can try for is false equivalence.

Same thing with the "President" obstructing justice with the Flynn investigation. Now Republicans are SOOO concerned about Lynch asking Comey to use specific phrasing in public comments ("matter" instead of "investigation") because for some reason they think that is the SAME THING as Trump straight up telling Comey to drop the investigation into his buddy.

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-06-19 02:31 PM | Reply

#13...

So, no. Not that stupid. Just that desperate.

#15 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2017-06-19 02:32 PM | Reply

The "event" will be covered only if the insurance company determines that the diagnosis, not the symptoms, of the event was an emergency.

There's a new shell in the shell game.... now the insurance companies will use the "diagnosis was not consistent with what you considered to be an emergency". Your "heart attack" was just a "panic attack" therefore we are not covering it at all.

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2017-06-19 02:47 PM | Reply

It is worse than that. I know of people who had claims denied when a test discovered a problem because the policy covered "preventive" tests but not "diagnostic" tests. As soon as a doctor makes a diagnosis BASED ON THE RESULTS of the preventive test it becomes a patient billable item

#17 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-06-19 04:29 PM | Reply

"The "event" will be covered only if the insurance company determines that the diagnosis, not the symptoms, of the event was an emergency."

Last July I had a heart attack. I knew it was coming when I had the men's triad of symptoms: backache, chest pains, and nausea.

Last Wednesday, I had worse back pains, nausea, and worse chest pains, followed by dizziness and ultimately, fainting. I was sure I was about to have a much larger heart attack, since all the symptoms were more severe. I took my nitroglycerine, as instructed, and a second nitro as we called 911. I also said my prayers.

After three days in the hospital, the diagnosis was a Vasovagal episode...something that mimics a heart attack, without being a heart attack, but with all the same symptoms. I'd never heard that term before Friday.

If it were up to the Republicans, they would tell me---after the fact---the incident wasn't covered. I would be expected to know the difference, and to be able to make a life-and-death decision immediately.

Instead, it's covered, and all that'll be out of my pocket will be my deductible and co-pay, still steep at around $8K, but that much I can afford. $158K, not so much.

Thanks, Obama.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Glad you are doing ok Danforth!

#19 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2017-06-19 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks, Idaho! I'm a bit worse for wear, after being a pin-cushion for three days, but alls well that ends well!

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 05:44 PM | Reply

For a 36 hour stay last month My hospital bill is 23 GRAND. It's outrageous.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-06-19 05:52 PM | Reply

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