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Saturday, June 17, 2017

Donald Trump is reportedly becoming "increasingly angry" and yelling at TV sets in the White House as his frustration grows at the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the presidential election. Confidants and advisers have described Trump's mounting impatience at both the investigation and the media coverage it has generated. According to Associated Press, he believes he is the victim of a conspiracy aimed at discrediting his presidency and ultimately ending his tenure of the White House.

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I hope he doesn't have Netflix.

There is a documentary called 'How to Stage a Coup'. It talks about julius ceasar, napoleon, stalin and lenin, hitler, idi amin, moussilini, etc... who all basically had the same plan, one learning from his predecessor. For example napoleon modeled himself after Julius ceaser and hitler modeled himself after napoleon, etc...

many others tried the same thing and have failed. Trump is trying the same thing, and he is failing.

#1 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-06-17 07:44 AM | Reply

This guy has the nuclear codes. Think about that.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-06-17 07:49 AM | Reply


... the media coverage ...

A lot of the media coverage originates with Pres Trump, his words and his tweets.

He does not seem to understand a simple cause and effect process.

If he tweets something inflammatory or outrageous, the media is going to cover it.

If he wants to reduce the amount of media coverage of the investigations, stop tweeting about the investigations.

See how simple that is?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-17 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump spent his adult life craving attention, acting the bloviating buffoon to gather a crowd.
Well, now he has all the attention he ever wanted, and probably more.
Don't worry, Donnie, there's even more of it ahead.
The moral: Be careful what you wish for.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2017-06-17 11:41 AM | Reply

See how simple that is?
#4 | Posted by LampLighter

Because the only thing worse to Trump than the media talking about him is them not talking about him.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2017-06-17 12:24 PM | Reply

#5 is it attention or validation? Because attention is what he's getting, but not the validation.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2017-06-17 01:21 PM | Reply


"I'm president! Hey! I'm president! Can you believe it, right?"
- Donald Trump, May 2017

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-06-17 01:52 PM | Reply

#10

Did the Russians interfere with our election? Watch out, trick question.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2017-06-17 03:21 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by LastAmerican

Like the lies about obama not being born in america?

Or the biggest inauguration crowd ever?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-17 03:34 PM | Reply

"The lies about Obama came from fringe groups and Trump himself, not mainstream media nor Republicans."

Has there ever been a more clueless poster than LastAmerican/------------?

Trump Told Unquestioning Fox & Friends Hosts, "I'm Starting To Wonder ... Whether Or Not [Obama] Was Born In This Country." On March 28, 2011, Fox News' Fox & Friends hosted Trump, who stated, "I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 3/28/11]

Fox Gave Trump Platform To Call Birthers "Great Americans." During the March 28, 2011, edition of Fox News' On the Record, former host Greta Van Susteren hosted Trump, who used the platform to advance his birther conspiracy theories and praise those who indulge in them as "great Americans." [Fox News, On The Record, 3/28/11]

Fox & Friends Gave Trump A Weekly Segment Which He Repeatedly Used To Push Birther Conspiracy Theories. In April 2011, amid Trump's repeated claims that President Obama may not have been born in the U.S., Fox News gave Trump a weekly segment as a regular guest. [CBSNews.com, 4/1/11; Media Matters, 4/3/11]

Greta Van Susteren Gave Trump Free Reign To Repeat Birther Theories. During the April 11, 2011, edition of Fox News' On the Record, former host Greta Van Susteren gave Trump airtime to push his birther conspiracies and discuss his investigation in Hawaii into Obama's citizenship. [Fox News, On the Record, 4/11/11]

Sean Hannity Provided Platform For Trump's Theories In Interview. During the April 15, 2011, edition of his show, Fox host Sean Hannity aired an interview in which he provided a platform for Trump's birther theories, including asking Trump what his investigators in Hawaii had found regarding Obama's birth. [Fox News, Hannity, 4/15/11]

Steve Doocy Tells Trump Obama Could End Speculation By Just Showing Us His Birth Certificate. During an interview with Trump on the April 18, 2011, edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Steve Doocy responded to Trump's claim that Obama "has not given a birth certificate" by saying, "He could end it simply, just show it to us, and it'd be over." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 4/18/11]

Fox Host Sean Hannity Defended Birthers: "Why Are They Crucified And Beaten Up And Smeared And Besmirched?" Interviewing WorldNetDaily editor and CEO Joseph Farah on the March 24, 2011, edition of his radio show, Hannity said that Farah had "been beaten up so badly in the press" for pursuing the birther issue, suggesting birthers have unfairly been "crucified and beaten up and smeared and besmirched":

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Did the Russians interfere with our election? Watch out, trick question.
#11 | POSTED BY ZED

I don't think going to war because the Russians exposed a really bad candidate for what she is...

Does that answer your question?

Obama and Clinton were bad in this way and both squandered influence that Bush gained and Reagan gained. Why do you Democrats do that? Before you go off saying Bush didn't expand influence, please understand what it means first.

#15 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-17 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Link to the above:
www.mediamatters.org

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 04:10 PM | Reply

The lies about Obama came from fringe groups and Trump himself, not mainstream media nor Republicans.

Idiot Comment of the Day award winner right there.

At least a runner up.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-06-17 04:14 PM | Reply

"Trump wants to cooperate with the Russians because it makes sense for world trade"

What nonsense.

Trump wants to cooperate with the Russians because they hold the notes on his loans.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Idiot Comment of the Day award winner right there. At least a runner up."

------- -- is battling himself for the win.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 04:17 PM | Reply

Trump spent his adult life craving attention, acting the bloviating buffoon to gather a crowd.
#5 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

So did/was Teddy Roosevelt.

#21 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-17 05:36 PM | Reply

Teajadist American..... Your boy Dubya was one of the worst disasters this country ever had, his father was an evil little -----, and Dubya's grandfather was even worse as Hitler's personal banker. All evil pieces of ----, that YOU supported. .

...and your guy Trump may be worse than the criminal POS Dubya was, which is a damn near impossible feat.

#22 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-06-17 05:40 PM | Reply

#20 of course not all, but it was hardly the fringe who desperately tried to portray him as an outsider.

And yes, I know I moved the goal posts a bit but you were cherry picking with your over specific criteria.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2017-06-17 05:40 PM | Reply

To compare Trump to Teddy Roosevelt is damn near a treasonous statement, and shows you know next to nothing other than what you hear or see on Fox/Brietbart/infowars/worldnetdaily or whatever alt-right source you are parroting your talking points from.

#24 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-06-17 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DR Lefties sure are a sheltered bunch. You need to get out more.
So, what you are saying is that Republicans, all of them, said that Obama was born in Kenya and Mainstream Media was saying this too.
Does "Idiot of the Day" include those who have comprehension issues?

#20 | POSTED BY TEAJADISTAMEICAN AT 2017-06-17 05:34 PM | FLAG:

TA,
Naw, you've got the DR Idiot of the day award locked up.

Just because someone calls out YOUR beloved Republican/Teajadist/Fascist for their crimes, dangerous, heinous behavior doesn't makes them a "leftist", it makes one a patriotic American, something you'll never be.

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-06-17 06:10 PM | Reply

#15

You're something of a fool, and I'm not convinced you're an American at all, much less the Last.

No one wants a war, you silly POS. But if you keep on standing up for those who try to hurt us someone is going to call you (accurately) a traitor.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2017-06-17 07:55 PM | Reply

Maybe he should change his name to Last Russian??? Last Traitor?

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-06-17 08:13 PM | Reply

#19

"Special Ed" gets censored???

If it matters, I told him to plonk me this morning if he couldn't handle it, so he plonked me.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-17 08:37 PM | Reply

mfw angry old men are posting about Angry Old Man Yelling at TVs in White House

peeling back layers of the onion, inception-style!

#34 | Posted by wj112358 at 2017-06-18 12:42 AM | Reply

I think we're getting a little off point here. The point being that we have a "so-called" president who is visibly collapsing under pressure. Pressure that he brought upon himself, BTW.

I say if he can't stand life in a fishbowl, get out of the bowl. The more he fights the undertow in this flood of criticism, the worse it's going to get. If he was any kind of an American at all he'd think of the country first. As it stands, his psychotic behavior is demonstrating that he's the most unstable human ever to occupy the White House and an embarrassment to this country on both the world and domestic stage.

What a dud!

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-06-18 01:03 AM | Reply

I wish hillary would stop messing up the trump administration.

oh, and the democrats, and smart people, and non-whacky gop-ers, and young people, and muslims, and homosexuals, and people of color and ....

well, basically, anyone who is not a fat, white, christian, male.... is messing up trump.

it's everyone else's fault!

#36 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-06-18 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama and Clinton were bad in this way and both squandered influence that Bush gained and Reagan gained. Why do you Democrats do that? Before you go off saying Bush didn't expand influence, please understand what it means first.

#15 | Posted by LastAmerican

If you think Bush GAINED influece for america, youre a moron.

He's the one who DESTROYED america's credibility by LYING us into a war.

Let me guess, obama made him do it somehow?

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-18 02:28 PM | Reply

Trump spent his adult life craving attention, acting the bloviating buffoon to gather a crowd.
#5 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

So did/was Teddy Roosevelt.

#21 | Posted by LastAmerican

The tiny difference being that Roosevelt fought to help the average citizen. Drumph fights to help the average billionaire.

But other than that tiny detail, yeah they're the exact same.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-18 02:30 PM | Reply

If you think Bush GAINED influece for america, youre a moron.
He's the one who DESTROYED america's credibility by LYING us into a war.
Let me guess, obama made him do it somehow?

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Of course, the Iraq war gained influence for America! If you subtract the European distaste for Americans which has a minuscule effect on World Economics. The Iraq war stabilized the oil market and kept the Saudis in power which in turn shored up the world's reserve currency. Yes, increased the influence of America around the world. Take the blinders off. No one gives a crap what the French think of us. LOL!!! And, that's what you're referring to. LOL. This level of ignorance of the influence America has on world trade just amazes me.

Obama, most definitely, squandered that by showing weakness and getting us every so much closer to war with Russia, North Korea, and Iran.

#39 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The tiny difference being that Roosevelt fought to help the average citizen. Drumph fights to help the average billionaire.
#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Ok. that's not true.

Roosevelt was for preserving the American Dream for all Americans, rich and poor, middle class, and Trump is similar save for 100+ years of cultural difference. Why do you ignore these facts?

#40 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Roosevelt was for preserving the American Dream for all Americans, rich and poor, middle class, and Trump is similar"

Any poor or middle class folks believing Trump is for "preserving" them, simply isn't paying attention.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 12:49 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Actually, Trump is too far Left for me. I would prefer getting the Federal Government out of everything.

#42 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 12:52 PM | Reply

Roosevelt was for preserving the American Dream for all Americans, rich and poor, middle class, and Trump is similar save for 100+ years of cultural difference. Why do you ignore these facts?

#40 | Posted by LastAmerican

If you think that's what trump has been doing you're a sucker.

He poses sign miners and takes photo ops at factories, but that's it. Pure marketing that only works on real gullible chumps.

He filled his white house with bankers and lobbyists and rich family members, and he wants to cut taxes on the rich so everyone else will have to pay more.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 12:55 PM | Reply

The Iraq war stabilized the oil market and kept the Saudis in power which in turn shored up the world's reserve currency.
#39 | Posted by LastAmerican

All for the LOW LOW PRICE of 5 TRILLION DOLLARS and a HALF MILLION LIVES.

That's why the world is laughing at us, at least those who aren't planning to avenge their dead relatives that we directly or indirectly killed.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 12:57 PM | Reply

He filled his white house with bankers and lobbyists and rich family members, and he wants to cut taxes on the rich so everyone else will have to pay more.
#43 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Trump did this? I thought you and Danforth are blaming this on the House Republicans referring to the latest health insurance bill.

They haven't started on the tax cut legislation yet.

I think your just spouting hyperbole.

Let's put it this way, in comparison to the last eight years, Trump is most definitely for preserving the American Dream. You can't argue with that.

#45 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:10 PM | Reply

Let's put it this way, in comparison to the last eight years, Trump is most definitely for preserving the American Dream. You can't argue with that.

#45 | Posted by LastAmerican

I can't argue that he SAYS that's what he's for.

I also can't imagine the type of idiot you'd have to be to believe anything that man says any more.

The budget he released shows he's a typical republican - spoil the rich, screw everyone else, including his supporters.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 01:14 PM | Reply

That's why the world is laughing at us
#44 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The world is laughing at us? Where do you get this information?

I just got back from Iran. I was a celebrity there! They love Americans. Europeans dislike us. I wouldn't say hate us, but you are right, they are laughing at us out of frustration. They wouldn't help us in the Middle East and still don't and now they are hurting economically.

#47 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:14 PM | Reply

The budget he released shows he's a typical republican - spoil the rich, screw everyone else, including his supporters.
#46 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I don't know about that reasoning. It just sounds like crazy Bernie talk and Occupy Wallstreet BS. What I don't get, is that if a decision is made in support of free enterprise, it's demonized as being "for the rich" and against "the poor". I disagree with this nonsense since we know now that American economic influence around helped bring more than a billion people out of poverty into the middle class over the last 30 years. Free enterprise (capitalism) has proven to be far better than any government controlled socialism.

#48 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:21 PM | Reply

Free enterprise (capitalism) has proven to be far better than any government controlled socialism.

#48 | Posted by LastAmerican

Then why is there greater upward class mobility and overall life satisfaction in more socialist countries?
www.epi.org
www.sciencealert.com

You simply buy the billionaires' propaganda about how great is is for you if you let them run the country for their own benefit. Actual data proves otherwise.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 01:25 PM | Reply

#49 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

to be clear, my point is:

American economic influence around [the world has] helped bring more than a billion people out of poverty into the middle class over the last 30 years. Free enterprise (capitalism) has proven to be far better than any government controlled socialism [in these countries].

But I have to laugh when you accuse me of believing propaganda when you post links to propaganda while moving the goalposts.

#50 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 01:43 PM | Reply

American economic influence around [the world has] helped bring more than a billion people out of poverty into the middle class over the last 30 years. Free enterprise (capitalism) has proven to be far better than any government controlled socialism [in these countries].

But I have to laugh when you accuse me of believing propaganda when you post links to propaganda while moving the goalposts.

#50 | Posted by LastAmerican

Free enterprise capitalism has been better for WHOM?
I just posted links proving it's not better for the middle class or poor in america, then you said it's better than socialism, so you must measure an economy by how well it serves THE RICH. You're right. American free enterprise capitalism serves the rich better than any other system, but socialism serves the working class better. Unless you've got links to prove otherwise.

The last 30 years has been great for developing economies for short periods of time, as industries chase the cheapest labor, but as soon as they find a cheaper source, they leave their current workers behind. American workers were the first to get screwed in this system, but every country will be screwed the same way as soon as the corporations find new cheaper workers, or move to robots.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 01:52 PM | Reply

#51 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Again, my point is about American influence and capitalism around the World and you posted two links that are about the US and Europe. You moved the goalposts and then when you did address it, you gave me more uneducated Bernie talk.

#52 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 02:04 PM | Reply

Again, my point is about American influence and capitalism around the World and you posted two links that are about the US and Europe. You moved the goalposts and then when you did address it, you gave me more uneducated Bernie talk.

#52 | Posted by LastAmerican

Yes your point was that capitalism is better.
My response is ONLY FOR THE RICH.

Refute it or admit it.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 02:14 PM | Reply

"My response is ONLY FOR THE RICH"

I believe many solid middle class folks have benefited from capitalism.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:19 PM | Reply

I believe many solid middle class folks have benefited from capitalism.

#54 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-06-19 02:19 PM | FLAG:

What middle class?

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 02:22 PM | Reply

I believe many solid middle class folks have benefited from capitalism.

#54 | Posted by eberly

They would have benefited more from democratic socialism.

Especially for the past 30 years, when almost all the gains of capitalism have gone to the rich, while everyone else has suffered.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 02:31 PM | Reply

"What middle class?"

for starters.....85% of the people who post here.

The middle class isn't disappearing. I recognize the challenges it faces regardless.

I work in the "FIRE" industry (Finance, insurance, real estate).

what have I benefited from? capitalism or democratic socialism?

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:37 PM | Reply

"what have I benefited from? capitalism or democratic socialism?" - #57 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:37 PM

You benefited from capitalism and democratic socialism.

#58 | Posted by Hans at 2017-06-19 02:39 PM | Reply

Is "solid" middle class the sliver that's in the top 20% of households?

Anyway, the richer you are, the more you've benefited from both capitalism and the welfare state. Practically by definition.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-06-19 02:41 PM | Reply

"You benefited from capitalism and democratic socialism."

Then I must be wealthy, according to Speak. "ONLY FOR THE RICH"

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:46 PM | Reply

58

Hans, how have I benefited from democratic socialism?

not saying I haven't....but you can imagine I work with folks who consider themselves practically libertarians......I would like some defense in the face of such delusion.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:48 PM | Reply

#57

One of the problems democratic socialism has is other than the poor the benefits are indirect and harder to both see and quantify.

If I am not mistaken you sell insurance in Kansas? If you have any farmers as clients you have benefited from democratic socialism, if you have sold home insurance you have benefited from democratic socialism, if a fire fighter or police officer has helped reduce damages to anything you have covered you have benefited from democratic socialism. Just a few ways off the top of my head.

The benefits you get from capitalism are more direct and obvious but that doesn't mean they are the only way you have benefited from our economic system.

#62 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-06-19 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"for starters.....85% of the people who post here."

A few dozen people does not a healthy middle class make.

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 02:52 PM | Reply

"If you have any farmers as clients"

I do. good point.

"if a fire fighter or police officer has helped reduce damages to anything you have covered you have benefited from democratic socialism."

okay...and I even insure actual municipalities. Cities, counties, and public school systems.

It's a not a big part of what I do but I have them.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:58 PM | Reply

"A few dozen people does not a healthy middle class make."

You merely spewing "what middle class?" doesn't mean much either.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:59 PM | Reply

Slumlords benefit a lot from democratic socialism, as it provides a baseline income that gets spent on low end rent that would otherwise be lower or lead to shantytowns.

#66 | Posted by bored at 2017-06-19 03:02 PM | Reply

I was hoping Speak would reply to this.....I'm going somewhere with this and I appreciate the responses I've received on this.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 03:06 PM | Reply

You merely spewing "what middle class?" doesn't mean much either.

#65 | Posted by eberly

www.fool.com

Here's a handy comparison to show your libertarian friends.

In the USA the middle class own 20% of the wealth.

Every single country above us in the chart is more socialist than we are.

If a healthy middle class is the key to a healthy economy, then more socialism is clearly the way to achieve that.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 03:10 PM | Reply

www.pewsocialtrends.org

One good link deserves another.

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-06-19 03:26 PM | Reply

"...but you can imagine I work with folks who consider themselves practically libertarians......I would like some defense in the face of such delusion." - #61 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 02:48 PM

A true libertarian (or someone who was practically one) would never object to their next-door neighbor using their own land for the storage of toxic waste.

Of course, federal, state, and local laws, including zoning restrictions, would prevent that next-door neighbor from doing such a thing, even if storing toxic waste was the next-door neighbor's idea of highest-and-best use of his land.

And that's just one example of democratic socialism in action.

#70 | Posted by Hans at 2017-06-19 04:03 PM | Reply

Thanks all for the feedback.

I don't disagree with you. I only interjected earlier over the use of the word "only" and that the middle class has disappeared.

It's shrunk relative to lower class and wealthy, yes.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's shrunk relative to lower class and wealthy, yes.

#71 | Posted by eberly

And that is directly connected.

The WEALTHY are richer BECAUSE the middle class are slipping into the poor class.
That's what happens when you offshore jobs or replace people with robots, while ignoring public education.
The rich get richer, and at the expense of the non-rich.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The WEALTHY are richer BECAUSE the middle class are slipping into the poor class."

you know that the wealthy are richer while the middle class is slipping....but can you prove because?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:06 PM | Reply

"can you prove because?"

How about the fact folks who work for a living pay federal taxes at about twice the rate of folks who open dividend checks for a living?

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 05:08 PM | Reply

74

that makes middle class people slip into a poorer class?

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:09 PM | Reply

"that makes middle class people slip into a poorer class?"

If the middle class is paying a larger chunk of their income (comparatively), yes. Or keeps the lower class from moving up, same diff.

The person who pays the highest percentage of his income in federal taxes isn't the millionaire or the billionaire. It's the wage-earner making $127,200.

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 05:20 PM | Reply

you know that the wealthy are richer while the middle class is slipping....but can you prove because?

#73 | Posted by eberly

I did in the post right before you asked.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 05:22 PM | Reply

"If the middle class is paying a larger chunk of their income (comparatively), yes"

larger than before? when?

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:30 PM | Reply

"That's what happens when you offshore jobs or replace people with robots, while ignoring public education."

I agree that has hit the middle class.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2017-06-19 05:36 PM | Reply

"larger than before? "

Well, when the SS cap goes up, yes.

But mainly, it's a continuation of a tax code that shoots money UP the chain.

Of course, it's nowhere near as egregious as Trump's proposals, which slash tax rates by 57% on...wait for it...folks like Trump...not counting the elimination of the Estate Tax.

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-06-19 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 | Posted by LastAmerican
Yes your point was that capitalism is better.
My response is ONLY FOR THE RICH.
Refute it or admit it.
#53 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely against socialism, I'm stating that the more government stays out of the way of free enterprise, the more people, especially at the poorest will benefit. At the same time, I see your reasoning that government must be there to protect against abuse. And the abuse can go either way.

I don't have to refute anything. My proof is that free enterprise or capitalism has brought 100 times more people out of poverty and into the middle class than any government program has. It did that here in the US and in the last 30 years, capitalism has helped people beat poverty all over the world.

But, I also like certain parts of is loosely labeled socialism, like Fire, Police, Civil Engineering projects - roads and municipal buildings and parks. Churches, family, and other organizations. I'm also a fan of a safety net at the city and state level (not federal) that will help people down on their luck with a hand-up and not a handout.

My compromise is that a fluid combination of free enterprise supported by some social programs are best. Right now, Obamacare has pushed us too far and we must send it back to the states

#81 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2017-06-19 07:07 PM | Reply

Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely against socialism, I'm stating that the more government stays out of the way of free enterprise, the more people, especially at the poorest will benefit. At the same time, I see your reasoning that government must be there to protect against abuse. And the abuse can go either way.

I don't have to refute anything. My proof is that free enterprise or capitalism has brought 100 times more people out of poverty and into the middle class than any government program has. It did that here in the US and in the last 30 years, capitalism has helped people beat poverty all over the world.

But, I also like certain parts of is loosely labeled socialism, like Fire, Police, Civil Engineering projects - roads and municipal buildings and parks. Churches, family, and other organizations. I'm also a fan of a safety net at the city and state level (not federal) that will help people down on their luck with a hand-up and not a handout.

My compromise is that a fluid combination of free enterprise supported by some social programs are best. Right now, Obamacare has pushed us too far and we must send it back to the states

#81 | Posted by LastAmerican

Are the free enterprise capitalists really lifting people out of poverty if they are only giving them a temporary taste of the good life? What good is being lifted out of poverty if the capitalists then move on to the next cheaper country 10 years later, sending the workers back into poverty? They're not free market heroes swooping in to fix the local economy. They're locusts swarming in to take advantage of a crappy local economy, and they'll move on when they find a crappier one to exploit.

Not sure how you got to obamacare. It's neither free market nor socialist. But it was at least an attempt to make those who have benefited the most from free market capitalism help support those who were harmed by it.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-06-19 07:30 PM | Reply

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