Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, May 16, 2017

Mark Murray, NBC News: By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that. By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

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Well, if 48% of Americans think Trumpcare is bad then I imagine the GOP will move heaven and earth to pass it.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2017-05-16 09:35 AM | Reply

That only 48% consider it bad just goes to show that we still have far too many people getting their news from Fox and other right wing sources. That number should be closer to 80% because that is the percentage Trumpcare would harm.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-16 09:43 AM | Reply

20% of Americans are mentally ill. 23% support Trumpcare.

Sounds about right.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-16 09:52 AM | Reply

That's half the support Obamacare had during its debate.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-05-16 10:04 AM | Reply

"That's half the support Obamacare had during its debate."

What happens when you add in support for the Affordable Care Act?

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-16 10:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A friend of mine spoke to his Uncle Bob over the weekend. Uncle Bob is in his 80's, retired to FL, a lifelong Republican and a Trump supporter Turns out Uncle Bob is getting disgusted with Trump. I asked, "Over Russia?" No, turns out it is over health care. I was surprised, but upon further reflection, it started to make sense. Uncle Bob's wife died a few years back from Alzheimer's. Before she died, Uncle Bob spent $70,000 to keep her at home with aides coming in to help him care for her. When she got worse and he got sick himself, he was forced to put her in a nursing home. When the money ran out, Medicaid picked up the tab. Republicans want to cut Medicaid spending by $880 billion dollars, and it's a little known fact that two thirds of Medicaid spending goes to disabled children and to nursing homes.

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-05-16 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Very Newsworthy Gal! Every person in America should be aware of that fact. Hey kids, if you don't want to change Dad's diapers then keep Medicaid as is or else you'll be the caregiver.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-16 10:19 AM | Reply

what that means is that the quality of nursing homes will deteriorate......because they are stuck with whatever Medicaid pays them.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2017-05-16 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"what that means is that the quality of nursing homes will deteriorate"

"No, no, (it won't), because I think the micro-management of Medicaid by the federal government -- the Medicaid system isn't working,"
~Paul Ryan

IOW, Ryan thinks nearly a trillion dollars of Medicaid is waste, fraud, and abuse.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-05-16 10:27 AM | Reply

"That's half the support Obamacare had during its debate."
What happens when you add in support for the Affordable Care Act?

#5 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Good point. So its 1/3 of the support that Obamacare/Affordable Care Act had.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-05-16 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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what that means is that the quality of nursing homes will deteriorate......because they are stuck with whatever Medicaid pays them.

#8 | Posted by eberly

Or we could just fund medicaid better.

Why not make that same argument about any government spending? Why do we have bottomless wallets for the military but we can't afford healthcare?

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-05-16 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And as usual, a media poll neglects to ask participants if they'd prefer single-payer/Improved Medicare for All instead. What a surprise.

Poll: Most Americans want to replace Obamacare with single-payer -- including many Republicans

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2017-05-16 12:01 PM | Reply

Look... I get the argument about funding. There are going to be problems no matter what. But for the people I see far too many problems with for profit medicine.

But a great example of where the government not handling healthcare itself is Dialysis. I don't know if anyone else caught John Oliver this weekend but his Dialysis piece got me looking into it. So Richard Nixon (yes THAT Richard Nixon of all people) made Dialysis universally available on the Governments dime. Kidney disease is a pretty big problem in this country today and growing. The Government picks up the Dialysis tab period. The problem comes in because the government does not provide the care. The number is huge - to the tune of 1% of the Federal Budget just for Dialysis. I think that is the right thing to do but the actual problems with the system includes unscrupulous overcharging practices (industry is dominated by 2 for profit Dialysis clinics companies) and the mortality rate - the highest in the world.

So yes it is difficult to manage but it isn't a government micromanagement issue, it's the companies that create that atmosphere. There is a fundamental problem with the "for profit" characteristics of any health services - like all companies profit is the bottom line driver PERIOD. It is the core of Capitalism. I am a firm believer that profit should NOT be involved in health care services because it leads to the very issues of overcharging and mortality. Oliver covered just one but made clear both the big boys have "serious issues". I believe the number was nearly 1 billion dollars in fines that DaVita has "settled" with the government and insurance companies on in recent years. The unscrupulous practices are in your face too. Throwing out good medication and racking up multiple charges for the vials being just one example.

If you haven't seen the piece, go find it. It aired 5/14. For those that don't want to here is a couple year old article: Modern Healthcare

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2017-05-16 12:25 PM | Reply

Why not make that same argument about any government spending? Why do we have bottomless wallets for the military but we can't afford healthcare?"

I remember earlier this year when Bernie did a town hall meeting in WVA. A lot of the discussion centered around healthcare and one of the first things Bernie said was, "don't let them tell you we don't have the money." It's about priorities. The Republicans have made the decision that giving takes cuts to millionaires and billionaires are of a higher priority than giving healthcare to the other 99%.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2017-05-16 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Romney's same 47%. The poor ones that pay no income tax.

There is a consistent storyline with the Rethugs, however detached from reality it might be. Romney said, "All right, there are 47% who are with him [Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president [Obama] no matter what.

#15 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-05-16 01:06 PM | Reply

"48% Call Trumpcare Bad Idea, 23% Good"

And just like with Obamacare, nearly 100% have no understanding of what any of it means.

#16 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-05-16 03:04 PM | Reply

And just like with Obamacare, nearly 100% have no understanding of what any of it means.

#16 | Posted by jamesgelliott

Trumpcare is pretty simple. Just like obamacare, except worse coverage for sick people and more money for rich people.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-05-16 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what that means is that the quality of nursing homes will deteriorate......because they are stuck with whatever Medicaid pays them.

#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2017-05-16 10:22 AM | FLAG:

Is there a ranking lower than piss poor?

Because that is how they are right now. Unless you are in a $39,000/month private pay facility.

Mom spent the last two years of her life in one. I was lucky, we got her into a decent facility. It also helped that they were able to take all her pension and social security income. Some of the ones she was in for rehab before final placement were disgusting....scabies...people sitting for hours in their own filth.

It appalls me how we treat our senior citizens.

But hey, let's look at what we are getting for the $880 billion cut... Trump can buy another golf course. So it's all good. Right?

#18 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-16 03:59 PM | Reply

And as usual, a media poll neglects to ask participants if they'd prefer single-payer/Improved Medicare for All instead. What a surprise.
Poll: Most Americans want to replace Obamacare with single-payer -- including many Republicans

#12 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2017-05-16 12:01 PM | FLAG:

The only people that don't want single payer are the health insurance CEO and the congresscritters that they fund since that means both of them would be out of a job.

#19 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-16 04:00 PM | Reply

Why do we have bottomless wallets for the military but we can't afford healthcare?

Because of the boogeyman of Al Queda/ISIS/etc. BOO!

BTW, we don't have a bottomless wallet for the military, only for military hardware because that goes to the pockets of the CEO's. Actual money for the soldiers? Fuhgettaboutit.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-16 04:02 PM | Reply

I still believe that the only reason the GOP didn't like the ACA was because President Obama is the one who created it.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-05-16 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I still believe that the only reason the GOP didn't like the ACA was because President Obama is the one who created it.

#21 | Posted by moder8

Yup. And the worst thing about him was his skin color.

They are now desperate to get rid of all traces that there was ever a black guy in charge. It made them feel so dirty.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-05-16 05:27 PM | Reply

They should just repeal ObamaCare. They don't have to replace it with anything. Status quo ante is far preferable to what we have now.

#23 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-05-17 12:49 AM | Reply

Just how many of these polled have any real idea of that is or is not in the plan, other than what they have 'heard' espoused by the 'major media'.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2017-05-17 01:49 AM | Reply

What's stopping them?

#25 | Posted by bored at 2017-05-17 01:58 AM | Reply

And just like with Obamacare, nearly 100% have no understanding of what any of it means.

#16 | Posted by jamesgelliott

Just because you can't understand things it does not follow that the rest of us do not understand.

It seems quite clear to me what the Republicans are doing.

They should just repeal ObamaCare. They don't have to replace it with anything. Status quo ante is far preferable to what we have now.

#23 | Posted by WhiteDevil

And you really think that access to healthcare is worse now than before the ACA? The ACA improved access to health care but did not solve all the problems. And you want us to go back to the way it was before the ACA? That shows either an astounding level of ignorance or an astounding lack of compassion for your fellow Americans.

And anyway, what is this "we" crap white devil boy?

You don't even live in America.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-17 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just how many of these polled have any real idea of that is or is not in the plan, other than what they have 'heard' espoused by the 'major media'.

#24 | Posted by MSgt

Then apparently the people who voted for this piece of crap do not know what they voted for. They are the ones getting interviewed by "major media" and confirming and defending what the bill says.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-17 05:28 PM | Reply

Who the eff are these self-deluded 23%???

#28 | Posted by e1g1 at 2017-05-17 10:29 PM | Reply

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