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Monday, May 15, 2017

Gov. Jerry Brown on Friday appealed to President Trump for help on the California bullet train, which would connect Los Angeles and San Francisco. Brown's letter asks the president to transfer federal oversight of environmental reviews on the $64-billion project to the state rail authority. The bullet train project's environmental review process is behind schedule. Earlier this year, the state's rail authority said it would not meet its long-stated goal to have all of its reviews done this year and that they would slip into 2018.

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You expect Donny Nanohands to help when he lost the state?

That's funny.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-15 10:41 AM | Reply

He killed 99% of Hurricane Matt relief for a state THAT voted FOR him. He ain't helping no blue state with nothing.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2017-05-15 10:42 AM | Reply

LOL....California really has some big kahuna's, with all the railing and anti-trumping coming from the state why would he give them anything.

Piss on Cali, they made the bed, make them sleep in it.

#3 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-15 10:42 AM | Reply

Princess Nancy's Alzheimer's must be costing a fortune...

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-05-15 10:44 AM | Reply

Trump response: You want help, give me state legislation forbidding sanctuary cities or state and remove all judges that are blocking my immigration push, and support my policies, it is now your choice.

#5 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-05-15 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Crassus #3: This is exactly why partisans should have no say in policy. It's all about their "team" and, truly, ---- everyone else. Pretty disgusting. Own it.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-05-15 12:08 PM | Reply

"You want help, give me"

In the good ole days this was simply called extortion.
It was employed by gangsters, not real businessmen.

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2017-05-15 12:40 PM | Reply

In politics it's called compromise.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-15 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No Sitz. What Crassus advocates is not "compromise". It's extortion.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-05-15 01:10 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by Crassus

You seem to have a misunderstanding about federalism.

It's extortion.

No it's not and you know it.

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2017-05-15 01:53 PM | Reply

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Of course it is. It's extortion dressed up as politics.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-05-15 02:01 PM | Reply

Can't be extortion, California is not lawfully owed an exemption to Federal environmental regs.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-15 02:14 PM | Reply

#11

Yeah, that's what Perry's prosecutors said, didn't work cause it ain't.

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2017-05-15 03:35 PM | Reply

Pretty funny that cali wants to expedite all those intrusive environmental regs..

#14 | Posted by homerj at 2017-05-15 05:14 PM | Reply

"Pretty funny that cali wants to expedite all those intrusive environmental regs.."

That was my first thought. And also, why aren't they running it from San Dijuana? Do San Francisco 1%'ers really not want more illegals living in the streets?

#15 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2017-05-15 05:27 PM | Reply

why aren't they running it from San Dijuana?

The first leg of the train would be from LA to SF.

Once that has been completed there have been proposals for SD to LA, and LA to Las Vegas.

Personally. It would be awesome to hop on a train in union station and take in to San Fran, Diego, or Vegas.

It would boost revenues for all cities as it allows for easier tourism.

Also. It saves on fuel needed to fly the planes.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-05-15 06:08 PM | Reply

Piss on Cali, they made the bed, make them sleep in it.

#3 | Posted by Crassus

Aww poor Crassus... still sore from Trump not winning the popular vote? Trump's crowd sizes still less than his protestors? All that winning giving you a migraine? Can't handle the Opposition Party opposing you?

Get over it man.

And please, Mr Fox, don't throw me into that briar patch of Californication!

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-15 07:07 PM | Reply

Also. It saves on fuel needed to fly the planes.

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2017-05-15 06:08 PM | REPLY

That depends. Over long distances, aircraft are more efficient. It pays to fly in thin air vs trying to blow through sea level density. When you start calculating throughput, it's not even remotely close. It's easier to fit planes in the sky than it is trains on 1 segment of HSR.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's what HyperLoop does, it's not just the speed, but efficiency, but encasing what is essentially a rail system in a tube and then pumping out the air until it's like flying at high altitude.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 07:35 AM | Reply

"That depends. Over long distances, aircraft are more efficient. It pays to fly in thin air vs trying to blow through sea level density. When you start calculating throughput, it's not even remotely close. It's easier to fit planes in the sky than it is trains on 1 segment of HSR."

Thanks for your brilliance, it totally explains why high speed rail is being built in nations all over the world. I know, you're right, all those countries should have consulted with your first. YOur analysis of efficiency is so comprehensive and idiotic. Leaving out all the energy it takes to get to an airport, for the airplane to taxi and get filled with passengers and then to finally take off. OK, it's pretty efficient in the air but most of the time it's not in the air.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-16 08:30 AM | Reply

"Piss on Cali, they made the bed, make them sleep in it."

Got it, then all the poor states that they support should go without their "remittances" from California. CAlifornia supports itself and a percentage of all the red states too. --!

#21 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-16 08:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pretty funny that cali wants to expedite all those intrusive environmental regs..

HOMERJ thinks expedite is a synonym for avoid or negate. Considering California has always been on the forefront of ecological protections it is doubly stupid to make such an idiotic comment.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2017-05-16 08:34 AM | Reply

Leaving out all the energy it takes to get to an airport

#20 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2017-05-16 08:30 AM | REPLY

Yeah, nobody drives to a train station. They just teleport.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 10:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You can get from Orlando to Tampa on a train in 1h 49m. Switch to High Speed Rail and it takes 1h 4m. Not including boarding, security, etc. To get there in 1h 49m it takes $1.2 million per mile of track. To get there in 1h 4m, it takes $81 million per mile of track. $79.8 million dollars, per mile, to save 45 minutes of transit time. No wonder politicians love this idea, it's a laughably massive corporate handout.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Continuing to look at the now-cancelled Florida HSR corridor... Train vs high speed train, it's 45 minutes savings. Car vs high speed rail on the same route, with congestion, is 25 minutes of time savings. That's without adjusting times for security, waiting on an uber, or using buses to get from the Tampa train station to Ybor/beach/cruise ship terminal/whatever.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 11:06 AM | Reply

Just like with Sports stadiums, the federal government has no business investing this boondoggle.

#26 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2017-05-16 03:07 PM | Reply

The fuel cost per ton/mile is much cheaper for rail than air freight. That is why most of our long distance freight travels by rail. The world's largest cargo plane can only carry 280 tons of freight. A single railcar can carry 90 tons.

The national average for rail transport is 476 ton/miles per gallon.

Air freight gets less than 2 ton/miles per gallon

now people transport is a different beast because us humans feel the need to have creature comforts when travelling. We can't just box up a human and ship them, we have to have comfy seats and things to eat and such. as a result the CARGO DENSITY you can acheive transporting people is much lower than the cargo density moving containers packed end to end and top to bottom.

fuel efficiency varies widely by aircraft but for the newest commercial jets get about 100 passenger miles/gallon while amtrak averages about 140 passenger miles/gallon. The newest bullet trains in Japan are much more efficient at over 350 passenger/miles for equivalent energy of 1 gallon of fuel. They are almost entirely electrified and most of their power is from nuclear sources so the comparison is based on energy used rather than fuel consumed

#27 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2017-05-16 03:18 PM | Reply

A typical car takes 3500 btu/mile, average commuter rail in the US takes 2,812 btu per passenger mile, average air travel in the US takes 2,826 btu per passenger mile. Amtrak ICE trains are 2,935 btu/mile, and they do 150mph which is the closest thing we have to high speed rail (and the trains are German built). Aircraft efficiency goes up an average 2% per year, train efficiency has gone up 0.1% in 10 years. Some light rails systems which theoretical efficiency capable of sub 2500 btu/mile, but in the real world we're getting mixed results, with Maimi's consuming 5400 btu/mile as of 2009. Pittsburg made it up to 11,000 btu/mile.

If we want people to desire and actually ride trains at the same volume per capita as Euros, we'd have to do it like Europe, through a huge gasoline tax hike. That's political suicide in the US.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-05-16 04:27 PM | Reply

I would support a huge gasoline tax in America. We would be a better nation because of it.

#29 | Posted by moder8 at 2017-05-16 04:28 PM | Reply

I live in the high-speed rail Mecca. Dozens of high-speed lines across China, but only one breaks even--Shanghai to Beijing. All the others lose money. In Europe the system also loses money. If they charged break-even prices for rail nobody would ride. So taxpayers make up the difference.

#30 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-05-16 08:29 PM | Reply

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