Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, May 17, 2017

Sonam Sheth, Business Insider: Critics on both sides of the aisle blasted the president for firing the man who was overseeing an investigation into him and his associates for possible collusion with Russia during the 2016 presidential election. But [President] Trump's most dedicated supporters see things a little differently. To them, Trump's decision to fire [James] Comey was a welcome sign of a democratically-elected president striking back at the American "deep state" -- a theory peddled by those on the far-right, which asserts that there is a shadow network of government officials, politicians and intelligence agents who are covertly working to undermine Trump's agenda and ultimately overthrow him.




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Though there is no credible evidence of an American deep state, talks of it have been widespread on far-right news outlets like InfoWars and Breitbart. They've also found a home among notable pundits including Fox News host Sean Hannity, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and Rep. Steve King of Iowa.

While the deep state conspiracy was once relegated to the fringe, it now enjoys a place in the White House.


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Though there is no credible evidence of an American deep state...

absolutely not true. There is plenty of evidence. IMHO, there is evidence of some kind of national insanity that has permeated these folks minds.

I had to trash my own sister yesterday. She's a typical GOTP blockhead, and yesterday, she was wining about Obama. Seriously, she knows nothing about trump or the criminal activity he is involved in. I said, let me guess, you are a fox news watchers?

After I filled her in on Trump's treasonous activity and how he wants to take away her SS and medicaid, and how ----- he is (she didn't even know he had been sued for sex crimes several times. Suddenly, she tired of talking politics.

But, here's the best part. You folks know that Bama had like the second highest percentage of the population voting for Thump (that's because Alabamians are idiots). These people think that everyone in the US is like them (racist bigots).

This is the deep state. It's a conspiracy of dunces. And you guys allow it because you think it is unkind to shut them up.

#1 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-05-15 05:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alex Jones could be your next FBI Dir, just sayin'.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2017-05-15 01:50 PM | Reply

the irony here is that the trumpkins have made the possiblity of a new world order much more likely than any liberal leader has

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2017-05-15 03:01 PM | Reply

the irony here is that the trumpkins have made the possibility of a new world order much more likely than any liberal leader has


don't worry about that...that is coming regardless of who is in power. BTW, it is now being called 'The Brave New World Order', because the new world order is almost over with. It started 104 years ago.

If you will stipulate one thing, I will prove it to you. Can you stipulate that it is simply not possible that about 1000 of the USA's brightest political people (Wash. DC elected officials) collectively cannot balance a checkbook?

#4 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-05-16 08:49 AM | Reply

There is a deep state. The people who remain in REAL power no matter who is in the oval office. Bankers. Military Industrial Complex. Oil companies. All people who love trump. Hell they helped elect him, now his supporters think they're the enemy?

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2017-05-17 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alex Jones could be your next FBI Dir, just sayin'.


You mean former comedian Bill Hicks right????

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2017-05-17 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


FWIW a friend of mine is a political mix and told me he's horrified that multiple friends are no longer speaking to him over his not being a Trump supporter.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2017-05-17 10:00 PM | Reply

The Deep State is real and accountable to no one. It sprang into action when Trumph moved towards friendlier relations with Russia.

But this is not the source of Trumph's troubles, it is his own mouth and demonstrated inability to perform his job. Almost every bill and executive order has been dead on arrival. A perfectly legitimate firing of Comey has morphed into giving Comey the capacity to take Trumph down because he contradicted Rosenstein's memorandum of legitimate reasons to fire Comey. The reckless release of classified information to Russia is consistent with his authoritarian tendency to violate the law. This presents an unacceptable risk to the entire country and should be the heart of the 2018 campaign.

But, Article 25 may be the best path forward. This provision empowers Congress to create, by simple legislation, "a body" responsible for determining whether a "President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office."

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2017-05-17 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There is a deep state. The people who remain in REAL power no matter who is in the oval office."


People like Roger Ailes are the true "deep state". People with money and power and plenty of lobbyists. A poor civil servant trying to stand up for what he believe regardless of who is running the ship of state is not the Deep anything. Except maybe deep in debt.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-05-18 11:11 AM | Reply

Nutcase has it right. We don't live in a universe where everything is "either-or". The deep state exists and doesn't seem to like Trump. Trump has also screwed up and brought most of his troubles on himself. There is no logic behind the idea that only one or the other must be true.

#10 | Posted by Sully at 2017-05-18 11:14 AM | Reply



Using the XXVth to remove a sitting president is a fantasy.

The XXVth amendment path won't work to remove a President who still has the ability to write a simple letter to President pro tempore of the United States Senate. The reason is that using the XXVth there are two points at which that will require a Two-Thirds vote in both the House AND Senate to get this done the way folks think it will work. One to override the veto of the bill presented to Trump to create the "body" they want to create, then a second time after Trump writes his second letter to the President pro tempore of the United States Senate, denying the charges of said body. You have to manage this Two Thirds feat TWICE using the XXVth, according to section 4 of the amendment, when normal impeachment and removal only takes a simple majority vote in the House to get the ball rolling, then Two Thirds in the Senate to remove.

Impeachment is so much easier. Simple majority in the House to Impeach, then Two Thirds of the Senate to remove. If you don't have the votes to impeach in the House, where will you find the two thirds you'd need to override a presidential veto creating this new "body"?

#11 | Posted by AWinter at 2017-05-18 11:24 AM | Reply


Seriously, that's not even close.

There is no Veto power under the 25th Amendment.

Under section 3, the president must be incapacitated. Otherwise, he just needs to let Congress know he is able to perform again and he steps back in as President.

You are referring to section 4. There is no veto power there. The Congress must assemble within 48 hours if not already assembled and within 21 days by a single two-thirds vote approve.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2017-05-18 01:36 PM | Reply

"Alex Jones could be your next FBI Dir, just sayin'."

Nah, Trump would never allow someone with a louder mouth than his.

#13 | Posted by TheTom at 2017-05-18 02:21 PM | Reply

It's no secret that there is an entrenched ruling class that doesn't want to lose power, in DC or elsewhere. "Inside the Beltway" is not a new term. Likewise, rich people want to stay rich. It's been like that since the beginning of time.

But this "shadow network" stuff is malarkey -- pure political propaganda aimed at convincing the rubes to keep voting against their own self-interest. It's all about perpetuating the fear that various groups of bad hombres --not the REAL Americans like you!-- are coming for your jobs, your wives, your money, your way of life.

Hannity, Jones, Limbaugh, Breitbart and others thrive on this secret-conspiracy narrative. That's how they make money.

#14 | Posted by cbob at 2017-05-18 04:24 PM | Reply

I imagine the special counsel will eventually turn his eyes to these nutjobs and I sincerely hope he does, so we can see how their propaganda outlet funds and manipulates the GOCCCP.

#15 | Posted by chuffy at 2017-05-18 06:35 PM | Reply

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