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Sunday, April 16, 2017

The University of California-Davis student senate will no longer fly the American flag in meetings after a vote Thursday. The move is not an outright ban on the American flag during meetings, but the decision does make it voluntary, which has sparked outrage on campus. While the American flag is a symbol of our country's freedom, it's a symbol too controversial to fly for some at UC Davis. "The flag to a lot of people represents capitalism, colonialism and the genocide of indigenous people, and this is why we don't want the flag in meetings," said student senator Becca Payne.

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Not surprising. The SJWs can barely disguise their hatred of America.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-16 01:26 PM | Reply

#1 - What about America? What do they hate? SJW? They are against hate speech and Donald Trump's policies. That's not Americana exactly.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-04-16 02:00 PM | Reply

...their hatred of America.
#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No, they just hate what America has become. Our flag used to be a symbol of freedom and opportunity, now it's a symbol of violence, intolerance, and oppression.

#3 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The flag is an oppressive symbol .....

Millions of Middle Easterners see it as such.

Perhaps it's due to 16+ years of terror we've brought upon them.

(We've actually been wrecking the Middle East for decades. Before BushJr, Bill Clinton was bombing the Middle East. Same with BushSr. Reagan famously supported Iraq and sold weapons to Iran. Prior to that we we assassinating elected leaders. We forced the Middle East to accept the nation of Israel. Prior to that the British carved up the Middle East and handed nations over to religious warlords. The Kurds have never truly recovered.)

Want to see what a terrorist looks like? Look in a mirror.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-16 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you don't like the American flag don't go to a government run University morons.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2017-04-16 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I take that NW flag back. They and their parents pay taxes, they have as much right as anyone to reap the benefits.

#6 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2017-04-16 06:12 PM | Reply

The irony.

#7 | Posted by Pirate at 2017-04-16 06:13 PM | Reply

If you don't like the American flag don't go to a government run University morons.

Posted by Tor at 2017-04-16 06:10 PM | Reply

Aren't you honouring the American Flag when you freely hate it??? After all it symbolizes the freedom to hate it if you want without recourse.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-04-16 06:17 PM | Reply

--Perhaps it's due to 16+ years of terror we've brought upon them.

Yeah! Because 16 years or a century of Western meddling is responsible for a thousand years of sharia law, stoning women to death, death penalty for homosexuality, etc. If only we would stop bombing Saudi Arabia they would go from being one of the world's worst human rights violators to a progressive utopia! Hell, they might even allow women to drive!

Oh wait...we're not bombing Saudi Arabia? There goes the blame-America-first narrative. Oops.

--Want to see what a terrorist looks like? Look in a mirror.

Want to see what a fake liberal looks like? Look in a mirror.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-16 08:07 PM | Reply

"Aren't you honouring the American Flag when you freely hate it???"

No.

PS.

grammarist.com

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2017-04-16 08:13 PM | Reply

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Is it possible there is a difference between "hating" something and just not wanting it as a prop at their meetings?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2017-04-16 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah! Because 16 years or a century of Western meddling is responsible for a thousand years of sharia law, stoning women to death, death penalty for homosexuality, etc.

If you're going back thousands of years. (Well. Two. And whenever Islam was created. I'm not too sure.) You'd see Christians doing the same thing. The last few decades of "enlightenment" aside. Western ideals and eastern ideals were very similar.

The problem is extremists.

The problem is religion.

If only we would stop bombing Saudi Arabia they would go from being one of the world's worst human rights violators to a progressive utopia! Hell, they might even allow women to drive!
Oh wait...we're not bombing Saudi Arabia? There goes the blame-America-first narrative. Oops.

It isn't just that we're not bombing Saudi Arabia. We're literally protecting the ruling class in exchange for constant. Stable. Oil.

But, beyond that.

I'm not pro war in any situation. At all. So. Bombing of Saudi Arabia isn't a solution either.

Also. Killing the Saudi women to bring them democracy won't help them drive.

--Want to see what a terrorist looks like? Look in a mirror.

Want to see what a fake liberal looks like? Look in a mirror.
#9 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2017-04-16 08:07 PM | FLAG: clever

I'll do better to live up to your ideals of who a liberal is.

Too bad I can't just claim to be libertarian, and piss on everything, like you do.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2017-04-16 09:58 PM | Reply

You have to love these SJWs. Too insulated to be aware and too stupid to care that every instance like this, where a group of leftists bans the US flag for representing "capitalism", the democratic party loses moderate swing votes. Every time the black bloc shows up, the DNC loses moderate swing votes. Every time some overweight, under-dressed, purple and blue haired emo reject shows up on camera screams that we don't recognize it's unique gender identity, the DNC loses moderate swing votes.

Keep it up, cupcakes.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-17 08:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love stories like this. And I love threads like this. Keep 'em coming through October 2020, please.

#15 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-04-17 08:46 AM | Reply

I love stories like this. And I love threads like this. Keep 'em coming through October 2020, please.

Its not difficult :)

Too bad I can't just claim to be libertarian, and piss on everything, like you do.
#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I understand, you are a liberal and the shait just keeps coming out of your mouth.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-04-17 09:37 AM | Reply

the DNC loses moderate swing votes.

Keep it up, cupcakes.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-17 08:46 A

BOOM BADDA BING !

if nothing else this is the extension of the FAKE outrage over the flag of the Southern states.....we predicted this very event and resulting commentary.

let me repeat....."keep it up cupcakes"

#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2017-04-17 12:17 PM | Reply

The SJWs can barely disguise their hatred of America.

We just elected a president who couldn't shut up about how bad America is. He even responded to a question about Russia attacking our elections by saying "You think our country's so innocent?"

You carry his water all the time.

Does that mean Trump (and you) are SJWs?

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-17 05:22 PM | Reply

If you don't like the American flag don't go to a government run University morons.

The U.S. government doesn't run UC-Davis.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2017-04-17 05:23 PM | Reply

The people of this nation should be ashamed of how we've treated the world. it's criminal.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-04-17 06:01 PM | Reply

"The people of this nation should be ashamed of how we've treated the world. it's criminal."

Imagine a world without the US, and you image a world where Jews no longer exist, and the entire planet is either serving a Communist or National Socialist master. Who knows...maybe both.

but yeah, I can see why some would be upset about us overthrowing stable, secular governments. We still seem to be intent on doing it in Syria. Of course if you're ISIS or Al Quaeda, you're probably pretty happy that we've provided you with freedom of movement you would have never been able to achieve if facing Saddam Hussein or Khadaffi on your own.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-17 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Imagine a world without the US, and you image a world where Jews no longer exist, and the entire planet is either serving a Communist or National Socialist master. Who knows...maybe both."

Only in the self serving fantasy-land of warmongering nationalists such as yourself. Spin a few lies about having saved the world and pretend that they justify centuries of horrors.

#24 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-04-18 03:47 AM | Reply

"but yeah, I can see why some would be upset about us overthrowing stable, secular governments."

Amazing how much time you spend here speaking out in favor of nightmarish despotisms.

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-04-18 03:49 AM | Reply

#24

So who would you rather have served, the Soviets or the National Socialists. I'm going to guess Soviets.

"Amazing how much time you spend here speaking out in favor of nightmarish despotisms."

It's a pretty simply choice to me-the lesser of two evils. If you want to choose the greater of the two, I can't stop you. I think you're either an idiot or a monster, but that's not illegal.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-18 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a great opportunity for UC Davis students to take a bold, courageous stand against the oppressive American flag. Divest themselves of Federal student loans, grants and scholarship. After all, their privileged existence is only made possible by U.S. imperialism.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-18 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My daughter took a college visit yesterday. It was "Junior Day".

I'm not ready for this yet.......

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-04-18 08:53 AM | Reply

I got a deal for UC Davis. No flag, no grants, federally insured student loans or federal tax money spent at that institution of "higher" learning. BTW, isn't UC Davis where Angela Davis used to be called a professor? Typical.

#29 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-04-18 11:11 AM | Reply

So who would you rather have served, the Soviets or the National Socialists. I'm going to guess Soviets.
"Amazing how much time you spend here speaking out in favor of nightmarish despotisms."
It's a pretty simply choice to me-the lesser of two evils. If you want to choose the greater of the two, I can't stop you. I think you're either an idiot or a monster, but that's not illegal.
#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2017-04-18 07:58 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

As ever, with us or against us reasoning appeals to simple minds like yours. As do self serving false choices: between US horrors and Soviet or Nazi ones (so that everyone will shut up about US ones), between dictatorships and chaos. And what spin! You are a full time water carrier for the worst people on the planet but I am the monster?

#30 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-04-18 12:08 PM | Reply

#24 Only in the self serving fantasy-land of warmongering nationalists such as yourself.

No, also in the minds of some of the finest writers of our time, who wrote insightful speculative and alternative fiction regarding a world in which Hitler won, or in which Stalinism was the law of the land. George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, Philip K. Dick, Aldous Huxley, Jack London, Stephen King, Ayn Rand, Philip Roth, H. Beam Piper...hell, even Dr. Who's Daleks are Nazis.

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-18 12:46 PM | Reply

"No, also in the minds of some of the finest writers of our time, who wrote insightful speculative and alternative fiction regarding a world in which Hitler won, or in which Stalinism was the law of the land."

Which proves what, exactly? It's fiction.

#32 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-04-18 01:14 PM | Reply

It has to be fiction, because they lost. Your assertion was that only warmongering nationalists would come up with such an idea, and I proved you wholly incorrect. Mad is not alone is his belief that if the United States had not entered WW2 when they did, the outcome may very well have been completely different. Most certainly, all or most of east and southeast Asia would be part of the Empire of Japan. Germany already had Europe, minus the UK, and had all the momentum. If the Soviets and the Americans had not simultaneously engaged the Nazis, the outcome may have been very different.

It's a theme that is consistent throughout written history. Had the French navy not defeated the British at the Battle of the Chesapeake (what? Never heard of it?), the American colonies may well have lost The Revolutionary War.

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2017-04-18 01:31 PM | Reply

"It has to be fiction, because they lost."

Exactly. Neither you nor the authors you mention know how things would have turned out. They are engaged in speculation to produce works of fiction.

"Your assertion was that only warmongering nationalists would come up with such an idea, and I proved you wholly incorrect."

I never asserted that. What I would assert is that treating those speculations and fictions you point to as fact is the strategy of war mongers like you and Madbomber and it is nakedly self serving.

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2017-04-18 02:01 PM | Reply

A sign from God?

www.youtube.com

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2017-04-18 02:51 PM | Reply

"As ever, with us or against us reasoning appeals to simple minds like yours. As do self serving false choices: between US horrors and Soviet or Nazi ones (so that everyone will shut up about US ones), between dictatorships and chaos. And what spin! You are a full time water carrier for the worst people on the planet but I am the monster?"

No, dude, you're carrying water for the worst people on the planet. I'm holding my nose and acknowledging that the second worst are still, in the vast majority of cases, still better than the worst.

And that's why you're the monster.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-18 10:15 PM | Reply

"What I would assert is that treating those speculations and fictions you point to as fact is the strategy of war mongers like you and Madbomber and it is nakedly self serving."

That's technically true. When choosing sides, it generally makes the most sense to side with the party that will benefit you the most, or at least minimize harm. Consider Assad. Don't really like him, but for 30 years he managed a stable, nominally secular government that was about as close as we in the west can expect to see in a nation in that region. The west destabilized that regime, and many others, thinking that these countries were blossoming buds of democracy, just waiting for their opportunity to emulate our democratic system.

Turns out that wasn't the case. The "Moderate Rebels" we trained and armed formed the core of the Islamic state, itself funded by our closest allies and absolutely committed to establishing a medieval Islamic State or die trying. There is no possibility of a western-style democratic government in Syria. None. And if the US were to remove Assad-something that the Russians would likely not let us do-then you're handing Syria to Islamic State.

I'm not sure why people like you can't seem to get that. Another insular American, I have to imagine.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-04-18 10:25 PM | Reply

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