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Saturday, March 18, 2017

Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of money' for defence of Europe against Russia.

Despite running £234billion budget surplus, Germany just spends 1.23% of GDP while debt laden UK coughs up required 2%.





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Pres Trump has a major problem.

He has claimed so many, oh so many, things that have just been shown to be unjustifiable.

So please tell me, when am I to believe when Pres Trump is being factual, and when is Pres Trump being flexible with the truth.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-18 11:31 PM | Reply

Nobody cares what you believe, or when. Me either. The DR is just entertainment. Get over yourself.

#2 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-03-19 12:03 AM | Reply


@32 ... Nobody cares what you believe, or when. ...

That's a nice dodge.

It has nothing to do with the issue I raised.

So I'll ask once more, when am I to believe when Pres Trump is being factual, and when is Pres Trump being flexible with the truth?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-19 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

When it suits him either way.

That's how his base knows he's the boss, when he can get away with lying.

They love someone who can tell them what to do and what to think and the facts don't matter a bit.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2017-03-19 12:36 AM | Reply

It's apparently not just Trump lying about the Germans then. It's the U.K. And the Germans themselves.

Are you actually saying that Germany is paying the 2% of GDP, but that they're lying about it, to NATO and to everyone else?

#5 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-03-19 01:07 AM | Reply

To make the principle work, all countries are expected to chip in. NATO's official guidelines say member states should spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense.

Of the 28 countries in the alliance, only five -- the U.S., Greece, Poland, Estonia and the U.K. -- meet the target.

The rest lag behind. Germany spent 1.18% of its GDP on defense last year, France forked out 1.8%.

Seems here Germany does owe.

#6 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 01:16 AM | Reply

Member states committed to spend 2% by 2024.
They should put Europe first and tear up that agreement and tell the US to peddle their murder machines somewhere else.
The only countries that can threaten Europe are the US and Russia, now that Russia controls the US there isn't much point wasting money on defense.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-19 01:51 AM | Reply

"They should put Europe first and tear up that agreement and tell the US to peddle their murder machines somewhere else."

Yeah, that would be a brilliant move with an aggressive Putin, end their alliance with the strongest military in the world. Just brilliant!

#8 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 11:48 AM | Reply

It was a dumb contract and trump is saying as much. If you want our protection pay up, and if you think Germany can't afford it you're dreaming.

234 billion surplus but can't afford 2%?

#9 | Posted by Crassus at 2017-03-19 11:56 AM | Reply

"234 billion surplus but can't afford 2%?"

I suspect they don't believe the U.S. would desert them regardless of the percentage they spend, Putin is probably chuckling about it knowing that without the U.S. they would be easily dominated.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2017-03-19 01:31 PM | Reply



Russian can't afford to invade Germany. Invading their main energy customers would destroy their economy.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2017-03-19 06:22 PM | Reply

At a summit in 2014, NATO reiterated its commitment to the 2% target. Members that fell short at the time promised to meet their obligations by 2024. Some have duly ramped up military spending since. However, they are mostly in eastern Europe, where the threat from Russia is felt most keenly. These countries also tend to have relatively small economies by NATO standards. Estonia and Poland now meet the target, and Latvia and Lithuania are on course to do so. In contrast, some of the alliance′s bigger and richer members remain resistant to pulling their weight. Germany, which has more fiscal room for manoeuvre than any other NATO country, spends just 1.2% of its GDP on defence. Spain and Italy have also cut their military budgets to around 1% during the past decade. They would struggle to satisfy NATO while observing restrictive European Union budget rules.

link me the agreement where it says the US gets paid the differences?

#12 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-03-19 06:26 PM | Reply

Well we all know Germany can up their military spending in 5 minutes if you ever read a book. In the meantime they are taking in refugees.

#13 | Posted by bruceaz at 2017-03-19 07:11 PM | Reply

Germany is doing great by not wasting money on the MIC. Why start now.

#14 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-19 08:53 PM | Reply

If the Russians are as big a threat as the libbies claim, Germany should be spending more.

Of course the reason they don't is because the Russia hysteria is exactly that, and the Germans know they can make more money by "lending" it to their own banks via Athens and Rome and making 5% on the carry, risk free. At least it's risk free until the Greeks and Italians and Spaniards find their self respect and tell Merkel to stuff it, along with all the loans. Then NATO won't matter at all.

#15 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-03-19 11:19 PM | Reply

diplomacy has to be WAY stronger for WAY longer...first. Trump sets us way back.

#16 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-03-20 09:55 AM | Reply

Maybe all of you are correct. But do explain to me why we should pay 70% of the defense bill in Europe when their citizens live more affluently than ours? Last time I looked, the US spends about 200 billion a year on NATO. We could send every graduating senior from high school to collage for four years each year for that. I say rap up Europe with a bow and give it to Putin. The best thing my ancestors did for me is leave that retched land.

#17 | Posted by docnjo at 2017-03-20 04:39 PM | Reply

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