Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Scotland's leader said on Monday she will ask the British government next week for permission to hold a second independence referendum before the United Kingdom leaves the European Union. "If Scotland is to have a real choice -- when the terms of Brexit are known but before it is too late to choose our own course -- then that choice must be offered between the autumn of next year, 2018, and the spring of 2019," Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told reporters. Sturgeon, who heads Scotland's pro-independence government, called for the vote after her attempts to seek a compromise over Brexit was met with a "hardline response" from Prime Minister Theresa May's government. "The language of partnership has gone completely," she said of her talks with the British government.

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Scotland is on my must-do vacation list.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-03-13 01:41 PM | Reply

check out the falkirk wheel while you are there.
en.wikipedia.org

#2 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-13 02:37 PM | Reply

independence vote. That's funny. I think I get it: we need to be independent from the U.K. if we're going to be dependent on the EU.

#3 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2017-03-14 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Scotland is too small to be isolationist.
Brexit may be the end of the UK.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2017-03-14 01:13 AM | Reply

They will only remain indpendent for as long as it takes the EU to accept them back into the fold, which is sad. Democracy works best on a small scale.

#5 | Posted by sully at 2017-03-14 01:43 PM | Reply


Democracy works best on a small scale.

#5 | Posted by sully

You mean like, on a local level, like here in the U.S.? Like it's supposed to be?

And Sully, this was aimed at our liberal friends..

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2017-03-14 02:54 PM | Reply


@#3 ... I think I get it: we need to be independent from the U.K. if we're going to be dependent on the EU. ...

Scotland never did want to leave the EU, voting to Remain by 62% to 38%. Even Pres Trump would have a tough time twisting those numbers in favor of Leave, though I wouldn't put it past him to try.

It appears from the referendum voting that Scotland would prefer to remain in the EU and not to be a part of the isolationist UK.

If that's their choice, what's the problem with them doing it?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-14 04:05 PM | Reply

#7. The problem with them doing it, as you ask, is that it is only 2 years since Scotland had a referendum on whether to stay in the UK or not. The Scottish people voted 55% to 45% to remain as part of the UK. The UK as a whole then voted to leave the EU, with Scotland being part of that voting process.

The Scottish people were part of a democratic process in which the winner was not their choice. Aren't there 63m Americans in that position at the moment?

And to clarify, I was strongly against leaving the EU, but that's life. I would also have been quite happy to see Scotland go independent, but they chose not to in what the SNP described the as a once in a generation referendum, but now want to do-over.

#8 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-14 05:09 PM | Reply


@#8 ... the Scottish people voted 55% to 45% to remain as part of the UK ...

The UK changed since then, hence the new referendum.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-14 05:22 PM | Reply

^#9 -The UK has not changed, it remains exactly as it was.

As part of the United Kingdom by very recent choice, Scotland got to vote in the EU referendum. The result, to leave the EU, was not supported by a majority of Scots, 1.67m of whom voted remain, but interestingly that is a much lower number than supported remaining as part of the UK, 2m.

My view is you don't get do-overs when a democratic vote goes against you. If you feel that any democratic vote that does not go your way should be repeated until you get the result you want, I suggest you take it up with the DNC, I'm pretty sure they would love a do-over.

#10 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-14 05:44 PM | Reply

@#10 The result, to leave the EU, was not supported by a majority of Scots

Regardless, the results of the Brexit referendum in Scotland was 62% to remain in the EU, and only 38% to leave. So they would be reaffirming (or denying) their prior voting decision.

I don't view it as a do-over because two years ago the UK was very different than it will be in the future and, if the rules of the UK allow it, I see no reason why the people of Scotland should not be able to decide their future..

If the people of Scotland want to have a referendum to decide whether or not they want to remain in the EU, that's their prerogative, not yours or mine.

From what I have been reading, they are planning to wait until late 2018 or early 2019 before they vote to assure they know what the terms are for Brexit, and whether or not they still want to remain in the EU.

They seem to be doing it quite reasonably and not at all rashly.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2017-03-14 06:09 PM | Reply

#12 - London also voted to remain. Do Londoners get a referendum to see if they want to be part of the UK?

The fact is that, as part of the UK with essentially full political union, it is not Scotland's decision as to whether they can hold a binding referendum, but the UK government's. If they can get a motion in front of the UK Parliament, then Scottish politicians have a say in the decision, but not a majority say.

I haven't even touched on the fact that the SNP, the driving force behind the first referendum and the idea of a second referendum, has at its heart the objective of Scottish independence. What you call a reasonable approach, I see as political opportunism based on a national ideology, one which was recently rejected.

The SNP for example, does not acknowledge the political reality of the EU. Membership requires all member countries to agree, yet Belgium, Spain, Italy, Romania and Hungary have already indicated to various degrees that they will not support an independent Scotland, because each of those countries has its own secessionist movement, which their respective governments do not wish to encourage. Given the way politics have gone of late, I have no trust that the SNP would actually put the good of the country before their political ambition.

In any event, I have my opinion, you have yours - as it should be.

#12 | Posted by Foreigner at 2017-03-14 09:12 PM | Reply

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