Sunday, July 21, 2019

GOP, Angry Over Losing Power, Weaponizes Recall Elections

In some Western states where the Republicans are frustrated over losing power, the GOP is looking for do-over elections. The Associated Press looks at how recall elections, once reserved for corrupt politicians, has become another weapon in partisan fighting.

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I don't think that stand a chance of a successful in CO. Polis received over 61% of the vote. And almost everything he's done is stuff he said he'd do during his campaign. But I'm happy to see the sore losers wasting money on this. Perhaps less to spend on 2020 campaigns.

#1 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-07-21 07:21 PM

---- with elections, voting machine numbers, early voting, voter rolls, etc is all they have left.

Die current GOP, DIE already.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-21 07:30 PM


The Republicans have known about the demographic trend against them for a number of years. While I'm not saying that what occurred on Colorado is due purely to demographics, I am saying that this may be a look into how the Republicans will be handling a loss of power in places like Texas in the upcoming years.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-21 07:31 PM

The Republicans have known about the demographic trend against them for a number of years.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter

That's what gerrymandering is for, along with voter suppression and the purging of voter rolls, to say nothing of the Heritage Foundation packing the courts with young, white, male judges who see no problems ruling against the idea that voting is a right that should be enjoyed by EVERY CITIZEN of this county.

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-07-22 01:12 AM

Seems like they forgot the "you lost, get over it" rule.

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-07-22 07:03 AM

Everything Repukes ascribe to Democrats is nothing more than projection. Morals, ethics, respect for all, adherence to law. All strikingly missing from today's Conservatives.

#6 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-22 10:25 AM

Recall elections, gerrymandering are expressions of pure democracy when Democrats do them and unprecedented attacks on Democracy when Republicans do.

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 10:52 AM

#7 I'm against gerrymandering by anyone. It's unfortunate you can't say the same.

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 10:58 AM

There is no process for creating districts that wouldn't be considered gerrymandering. Even the so-called non-partisan methods are biased.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 11:29 AM

It must be fun to be someone who has incredible short-sightedness. The ability to absolve yourself of all hypocrisy is just an amazing talent people have today. Nevermind it wasn't that far in the past when Reps were having to whine and complain about Dems' recalls. Forget that most of the stuff you complain about today the other party did yesterday, and the other party did before that. Let's all just be stupid kids who have no ability to do the research and figure out trends and fight the actual problem.

#10 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-22 11:48 AM

#10 link the recall campaigns or admit you're making schitt up to normalize GOP guerrilla tactics.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-22 12:21 PM

There is no process for creating districts that wouldn't be considered gerrymandering. Even the so-called non-partisan methods are biased.

Is this where we pretend that matters of scale don't exist? There's a tremendous chasm between selecting the most intentionally biased map that could possibly be created by redistricting software, and the relatively low amount of inherent bias in a map created by adhering solely to neutral redistricting principles.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 12:57 PM

#11 Dems tried and failed to recall Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 12:58 PM

I remember that one.

But he said recalls, as in plural.

And Walker earned that one, it wasn't a knee jerk to try and change an election outcome, which the GOP has engaged in since they lost (ie stripping the governor of powers just before leaving office ect).

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-22 02:24 PM

Is this where we pretend that matters of scale don't exist?

It stopped existing for Repubs on November 8, 2016.

Allowing it to exist from there on would force them to confront the colossal schitt heap they elected to office as the abnormal, unhealthy, ridiculously embarrassing mess he is.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-22 02:37 PM

You're right Joe bias is acceptable when it favors Dems and outrageous when it doesnt.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 02:40 PM

Prosser recall attempt also Wisconsin.

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 02:43 PM

There is no process for creating districts that wouldn't be considered gerrymandering. Even the so-called non-partisan methods are biased.

#9 | Posted by visitor_

Nothing is totally non-biased, therefore we might as well use the most corrupt and bias methods we can find, right einstein?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 02:55 PM

You're right Joe bias is acceptable when it favors Dems and outrageous when it doesnt.

How ------- dense are you? I already said i oppose intentional partisan gerrymanderjng by either side. The incidental bias that can come from adhering to neutral redistricting criteria can cut in either direction.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 04:30 PM

Visitor's "argument" is like saying that tripping and falling is equivalent to being shot in the head because in either scenario someone gets hurt, and therefore we should legalize shooting people in the head and do it as often as possible because after all slips and falls will always exist.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 04:32 PM

Describe this algorithm-o-fairness. I dispute your contention that non-partisan is more fair. A little unfainess is as bad as a lot when you only have win by one vote.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 04:42 PM

Let me know the outcome if you decide to use that analogy in court.

#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 04:44 PM

Describe this algorithm-o-fairness

Traditional redustricting criteria are that the districts be roughly equal in population; that they be compact and contiguous; that they not cross existing city/county lines; that they preserve the cores of previous districts; all with no intentional or inadvertent discrimination based on race.

Experts and software now exist that can take voter data and spit out ehatever kind of map you like, including ones as aggressively politically partisan as possible, or as politically neutral as possible, all while adhering to the above criteria. They can literally create 100 map options, assign each one a partisan ranking, and (based on the recent 5-4 decision) a legislature can pay experts to create and adopt the #1 most aggressively partisan map.

If you think all of that is the same as "oops we did our best to adhere to neutral redistricting principles and adopt the absolute least politically partisan map statistically possible but there's still some inherent unintentional bias here," and that there's no sense in aiming for one end of the spectrum as opposed to the other, you are an absolute moron not worthy of typing this out to.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 05:42 PM

Honestly you're placing your trust in the untrustworthy.

A blind algorithm would fair but wouldnt pass the racial quota requirement.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 06:42 PM

#24 It could easily be programmed to do so. You have a pathetic lack of knowledge when it comes to how advanced redistricting tevhnology is these days. Go educate yourself.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 07:05 PM

You are incorrect, my skepticism comes from experience in using AI to build models and machine learning. The redistricting problem is a common one used in training because the data is freely available.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 07:17 PM

If you knew anything about it you'd know how easy it is to make a range of maps, from neutral to aggressively partisan. Your questions lead me to believe you don't know what this software is capable of. Read about what happened in Wisconsin.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 08:25 PM

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