Wednesday, March 21, 2018

Facebook Explains

I want to share an update on the Cambridge Analytica situation -- including the steps we've already taken and our next steps to address this important issue. We have a responsibility to protect your data, and if we can't then we don't deserve to serve you. I've been working to understand exactly what happened and how to make sure this doesn't happen again. The good news is that the most important actions to prevent this from happening again today we have already taken years ago. But we also made mistakes, there's more to do, and we need to step up and do it. Here's a timeline of the events:

Comments

 

..."We have a responsibility to protect your data, and if we can't then we don't deserve to serve you. ...

Oh please. Such a big lie so early in his comment. He's off on the wrong foot at the outset.


Facebook does not serve any of the people on Facebook.

Facebook takes the data of those people and uses that data for profit.

The people on Facebook are not being served, they are the product being served to advertisers.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-03-21 03:59 PM

Yet another reason for me to never have FB....

#2 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-03-21 04:16 PM

Yet another reason for me to never have FB....

#2 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

You love pro-Russian propaganda. So why would you care?

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 04:20 PM

Did he apologize for giving tech-savvy-Obama full access in 2008?

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-21 04:27 PM

@#4

That was before the 2011 consent decree, so probably not.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-03-21 04:29 PM

#1 I tried to give you a NW but accidentally gave you a FF. I corrected it, I think, but in case my correction didn't work I didn't want you to think I was mocking your post. Quite the opposite, actually.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-03-21 04:30 PM

OOOOOOPS! That might leave a mark. Oh, I forgot. Double standard is standard. Carry on.

#7 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-03-21 04:30 PM

- You love pro-Russian propaganda.

*drink*

Reminds me of this Twilight Zone episode: The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street - www.imdb.com

It was the one where neighbors formed a mob and accused each other of being space aliens.

haha...still applies today.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-21 04:31 PM

'To Serve Man' by M. Zuckerberg.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-03-21 04:35 PM

This is where it all started:

www.nytimes.com

"Mr. Hughes, 24, was one of four founders of Facebook. In early 2007, he left the company to work in Chicago on Senator Obama's new-media campaign. Leaving behind his company at such a critical time would appear to require some cognitive dissonance: political campaigns, after all, are built on handshakes and persuasion, not computer servers, and Mr. Hughes has watched, sometimes ruefully, as Facebook has marketed new products that he helped develop."

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-21 04:36 PM

@#6

Looks like the NW overrode.

thx.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-03-21 04:41 PM

Here's a good read if you haven't heard this: Former Facebook Insider Says Company Cannot Be Trusted To Regulate Itself

He should know - he was trying to user data.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-03-21 04:42 PM

Sycophant(aka toady) Fell for propaganda on his FB in 2008 & 2016....

#13 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-03-21 04:42 PM

Gun used by perpetrators to commit crimes = gun's fault.
Facebook used by perpetrators to commit crimes = ????????????

#14 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-03-21 04:43 PM

BTW If you use Google or Facebook accounts to sign into ANYTHING other than their platforms - just go ahead and smack yourself on the head.

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-03-21 04:43 PM

Not sure what happened to my link above: Former Facebook Insider Says Company Cannot Be Trusted To Regulate Itself

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-03-21 04:44 PM

Yet another reason for me to never have FB....
#2 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN
You love pro-Russian propaganda. So why would you care?

#3 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-03-21 04:20 PM | FLAG:

I thought you said Russia was running Facebook and that Trump was paying them to run it which swayed all the voters not to vote for Hillary (and made you cry) Make up your mind.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-03-21 04:46 PM

"Gun used by perpetrators to commit crimes = gun's fault.
Facebook used by perpetrators to commit crimes = ????????????

#14 | Posted by bogey1355

Nice try at a whataboutism but pretty much a fail.

And frankly I don't think most people seeking stricter gun controls are saying that is the case with guns.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-03-21 04:47 PM

OOOOOOPS! That might leave a mark. Oh, I forgot. Double standard is standard. Carry on.

#7 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

Only if you are too stupid to know whats going on.

The App from the Obama Campaign had to be downloaded and asked permission. It was also before the consent requirement but asked for it anyway.

This did not. It scanned all of your info AND your friends information. There was no opt in. There wasn't a download.

Frankly, I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this any further to you or the other idiots whining about Obama.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 04:48 PM

'Utterly horrifying': ex-Facebook insider says covert data harvesting was routine

www.theguardian.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 04:48 PM

All those years of getting strange looks because I refused to use Facebook to avoid data gathering....

who's laughing now?

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2018-03-21 04:50 PM

"This is where it all started:"

This is where it's been continuing:

Kogan's main research collaborator and former co-owner GSR (company that gave info to CA) works for Facebook:

In public, Facebook continues to maintain that whatever happened during the run-up to the election was business as usual. "Our investigation to date has not uncovered anything that suggests wrongdoing," a Facebook spokesperson told The Intercept.

Facebook appears not to have considered Global Science Research's data collection to have been a serious ethical lapse. Joseph Chancellor, Kogan's main collaborator on the SCL project and a former co-owner of Global Science Research, is now employed by Facebook Research. "The work that he did previously has no bearing on the work that he does at Facebook," a Facebook spokesperson told The Intercept.

theintercept.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 05:02 PM

"This is where it's been continuing:" should be "This is where it's all continuing"

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 05:07 PM

"Gun used by perpetrators to commit crimes = gun's fault.
Facebook used by perpetrators to commit crimes = ????????????

#14 | Posted by bogey1355

Nice try at a whataboutism but pretty much a fail.

And frankly I don't think most people seeking stricter gun controls are saying that is the case with guns.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete

If you are suggesting a false equivalency, please explain yourself. Facebook and guns are both TOOLs that are occasionally being used by a PERSON to commit crimes. As far as what people are saying about stricter gun controls, they are saying that if you remove the tool, you remove the crime.

#24 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-03-21 05:14 PM

Here's an idea:

stop gathering data altogether.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2018-03-21 05:16 PM

As far as what people are saying about stricter gun controls, they are saying that if you remove the tool, you remove the crime.

#24 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

They are saying if you remove SOME of the guns and make the rest harder to get, you remove some of the DEAD ------- BODIES

That's why they aren't equivalent.

Seriously, do you ever wonder how your life would be different if you had gotten enough oxygen at birth?

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 05:22 PM

"As far as what people are saying about stricter gun controls, they are saying that if you remove the tool, you remove the crime."

Bogey, you work in a hospital.

Why do they put the opioids behind a lock that only certain people can unlock?

I await your informed, expert opinion.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-21 05:29 PM

What are we removing today, 8 penny nails?

#28 | Posted by wisgod at 2018-03-21 05:50 PM

Seriously, do you ever wonder how your life would be different if you had gotten enough oxygen at birth?
#26 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

My cousin, Bob, who died at 19 suffered from that. It actually caused physical limitations along with a mild retardation.

I was 16 when he passed. completely devastating.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-21 06:23 PM

My cousin, Bob, who died at 19 suffered from that. It actually caused physical limitations along with a mild retardation.

Too much womb oxygen or not enough? :(

#30 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-03-21 06:29 PM

I was told oxygen starved. but it was a long time ago.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-21 06:33 PM

Cerebral palsy is a birth injury, typically the neonate strangulates on the umbilical cord during delivery.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-21 06:35 PM

Cerebral palsy isn't always debilitating, other than making the kid walk funny.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-03-21 06:38 PM

The App from the Obama Campaign had to be downloaded and asked permission. It was also before the consent requirement but asked for it anyway.
This did not. It scanned all of your info AND your friends information. There was no opt in. There wasn't a download.....

#19 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The app from the Obama campaign ALSO accessed all friends and those friends were not asked permission. It funneled feeds to all of the friends as if the feeds came directly from the friend.

Regardless, this is a Facebook problem, not a Trump or Obama problem.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-03-21 06:42 PM

The app from the Obama campaign ALSO accessed all friends and those friends were not asked permission. It funneled feeds to all of the friends as if the feeds came directly from the friend.
Regardless, this is a Facebook problem, not a Trump or Obama problem.
#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Funneling feeds isn't taking information from friends' accounts. That's the difference.

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 06:50 PM

John Edwards made his money suing doctors and hospitals for malpractice when births resulted in cerebral palsy.

#36 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-03-21 06:51 PM

#35

Agreed.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-03-21 06:53 PM

Sycophant(aka toady) Fell for propaganda on his FB in 2008 & 2016....

#13 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Honestly, that's the best you could come up with? As your parents said, "Such a disappointment."

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 06:57 PM

#34 People who downloaded the Obama app knew they were giving their info for political purposes. People who downloaded the Kogan app thought they were giving their info for an academic psychological research study. They did not know their info would be passed on to a 3rd party (CA) for political reasons. That is the difference between the two situations, and so it is both a Facebook and a Kogan/CA problem.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 06:57 PM

#35
Agreed.

#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That's where Cambridge went too far. IF they had asked permission and simply funneled ads to friends, that's perfectly fine.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-21 06:58 PM

"John Edwards made his money suing doctors and hospitals for malpractice when births resulted in cerebral palsy."

Don't forget the little girl who got her rectum sucked out when she sat on the pool drain.

In a move that maintains the right's high standards of classy behavior, that one was painted as extra-frivolous by you guys.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-21 06:58 PM

"That's where Cambridge went too far. IF they had asked permission and simply funneled ads to friends, that's perfectly fine."

No, you guys have it wrong. Facebook apps at that time permitted that action:

Like all app developers, Kogan requested and gained access to information from people after they chose to download his app. His app, "thisisyourdigitallife," offered a personality prediction, and billed itself on Facebook as "a research app used by psychologists." Approximately 270,000 people downloaded the app. In so doing, they gave their consent for Kogan to access information such as the city they set on their profile, or content they had liked, as well as more limited information about friends who had their privacy settings set to allow it.

Although Kogan gained access to this information in a legitimate way and through the proper channels that governed all developers on Facebook at that time, he did not subsequently abide by our rules. By passing information on to a third party, including SCL/Cambridge Analytica and Christopher Wylie of Eunoia Technologies, he violated our platform policies. When we learned of this violation in 2015, we removed his app from Facebook and demanded certifications from Kogan and all parties he had given data to that the information had been destroyed. Cambridge Analytica, Kogan and Wylie all certified to us that they destroyed the data.

newsroom.fb.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 07:05 PM

This is key:

"In so doing, they gave their consent for Kogan to access information such as the city they set on their profile, or content they had liked, as well as more limited information about friends who had their privacy settings set to allow it."

So, not all the friends of people who downloaded Kogan's app (or any other FB app at that time) were scooped up.

FB made has since made these changes:

"In 2014, after hearing feedback from the Facebook community, we made an update to ensure that each person decides what information they want to share about themselves, including their friend list. This is just one of the many ways we give people the tools to control their experience. Before you decide to use an app, you can review the permissions the developer is requesting and choose which information to share. You can manage or revoke those permissions at any time. "

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-03-21 07:10 PM

"Such a disappointment."

#38 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I know you get confused sometimes. That's what your wife said to you last night.

Now run off, and don't forget to eat something before you take your Risperidone.

#44 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-03-21 11:59 PM

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