President Trump wants to arm teachers to prevent, or reduce the carnage from, future school shootings like the one at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., this month. "A teacher would have shot the hell out of him before he knew what had happened," Trump said last week about the attacker in Florida. He's not the only one who thinks this is a good idea: Several states are already considering legislation to allow guns to be carried into schools, ostensibly to protect kids. But putting guns into the hands of schoolteachers would be extraordinarily dangerous for black and Latino students, who are already often forced to try to learn in hostile environments where they're treated as threats.
How long would it be, if Trump's plan became reality, before a teacher shoots a black student and then invokes the "I feared for my life" defense we continually hear from police officers who misinterpret young black people's behavior with deadly consequences?
A mountain of data on persistent racial biases and disparities in education and on police presence in schools -- as well as a recent increase in racial harassment in schools -- makes it clear that kids of color won't be safe if their teachers are carrying weapons.
Those children are the ones who always feel the brunt of policing inside and outside of schools. Most high-profile mass shootings have been committed by white men, but metal detectors, school police and armed guards are disproportionately placed in public schools with majority black and other nonwhite students, along with locked gates, random sweeps, and a host of other surveillance and security measures to maintain control in their schools. Research shows that such practices foster hostile environments that have contributed to racial disparities in school suspensions, expulsions and arrests leading to the "school-to-prison pipeline," by pushing more students of color out of school and into the juvenile justice system.
"Arming teachers would put black and Latino kids in danger."
It also puts black teachers in danger.
RIP Philandro Castile
I had no idea white women where so violent, put the article does insist on making that point, over and over.
"Texas has permitted this since 2013. No such events so far." - #1 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-28 10:05 PM
That's just like this!
And no such events, either!
Dammit, the Germans just developed Beer Buddy, a robot that brings you a beer from the fridge, and I'm out of stories for tonight. Well, you can read the good news tomorrow.
Arming Teachers Is Not a Good Option
The best empirical evidence suggests that when states adopt right to carry laws, violent crime tends to rise by about 13-15 percent over the next ten years, so the general notion that arming law-abiding citizens to carry guns outside the home will improve safety has no statistical support. There are certainly beneficial uses of guns by permit holders that thwart or even deter crime, but these positive influences are outweighed by all of the ways -- often not well understood -- in which gun carrying elevates violent crime. In addition to any misconduct by the actual permit holder -- such as the mass shooting in 2017 that killed five and wounded six others in the baggage claim area at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport -- gun carrying often leads to lost and stolen guns and occupies the time and complicates the task of law enforcement in ways that undermine their crime-fighting capacities.
Great info! I still think it's -------- that the Repubs and Trump completely ignored the call for better focus on data driven legislation. One representative called for the removal of restrictions on research tied to ramifications of gun ownership. Another representative called for straight evidence based practice moving forward.
Trump and every Repubs in the room rolled their eyes and ignored both calls. How can you implement policy without considering the relevant data? It's simply archaic in this day and age!!!
If you want the ramifications of concealed carry, Texas publishes the stats of crimes committed by permit holders annually. The rate of crime is vastly lower than the rest of the population.
You mean like Stacey Patton, an assistant professor of multimedia journalism at Morgan State University and the author of "Spare The Kids: Why Whupping Children Won't Save Black America"?
How in the hell could that harm blacks and browns more than whites?
#10 | POSTED BY SNIPER
Do you even bother to read the caption at the top of the page?
"How in the hell could that harm blacks and browns more than whites?
#10 | POSTED BY SNIPER"
Philandro Castile is how.
I still don't get the "white women are violent" thing. I mean, I've met some pretty psycho white women over the years, but I'm pretty sure teachers like that get weeded out in training, or in the very least don't last long once they start. So the whole point of the article just seems really damn weird.
"If you want the ramifications of concealed carry, Texas publishes the stats of crimes committed by permit holders annually."
That doesn't really speak to the ramifications of concealed carry.
It says: to get a permit in the first place, you're not a criminal.
Selection bias, it's called.
Now, if you wanted to be scientific about it, you'd compare crime rates of Texas CHL people with Texans who meet all of the CHL requirements here www.texaschl.us but don't need an emotional support weapon to go out in public.
But hey, maybe you already did all that, and I'm the dilettante!
"This article assumes teachers want to kill Black and Latino students"
It simply assumes teachers will kill blacks and Latinos in the same exaggerated proportion the cops do.
RIP Philandro Castile, black school worker and legal CHL holder.
#18 snoofy, black cops are three times as likely to kill a black man as a white cop. So shouldn't she be worried about black female teachers instead?
#20 snoofy, do you know what a "thought-stopping phrase" is? Because that's what you just did. And it's a common tactic of brainwashed cultists, as we used to call them, or in more modern terms it's a mimetic defense reaction wielded by the self-reinforcing meme-plex that dominates your belief-space.
I'd be more worried about Black and Latino teachers having guns.
Cops see a Black or Latino man with a gun during a shoot out, and you'll end up with some dead teachers.
They called it a thought-terminating cliché back when I was in school: rationalwiki.org
I'm paranoid about uttering them, but it is what it is, and you gotta do what you gotta do, and it's sometimes just common sense.
That's just like this!
And no such events, either!
#5 | Posted by Hans
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! black panthers intimidating voters. Try again hands.
These are always posted by someone looking to harm minorities. Every time.
#11 | Posted by BruceBanner
Take a look at the picture hands posted.
"Cops see a Black or Latino man with a gun during a shoot out, and you'll end up with some dead teachers.
#22 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"
Shoot out, traffic stop, same difference.
RIP Philando Castile
"#20 snoofy, do you know what a "thought-stopping phrase" is? Because that's what you just did."
You asked a yes or no question; I gave you one of the two valid response options.
If that stopped you from thinking, that's on you.
No, snoofy, that's not what that does. It stops you from from thinking.
Anyway, here is a youtube video of a Thompson being fired. It fires .45 automatic Colt pistol rounds (a slightly heavy but low velocity round), so of course not much recoil. Looks about as hard to handle full auto as the M-16 is, and the M-16 is very easy to handle and deadly on full-auto. www.youtube.com
As you can see, the 1921 version had a pistol grip to give you better control, but the 1928 version (used in WW2) didn't, though you still fire it two-handed. Although hip-firing doesn't look like a problem to me either - I've fired weapons with a lot worse recoil, like the M-60 crew serviced machine gun. Only Rambo can fire that thing from the hip. So no, you aren't spraying bullets everywhere into the ceiling, what you are actually doing is turning your target into freaking hamburger with a rather well guided stream of .45, which are not small rounds.
Please, at lest watch the video.
"here is a youtube video of a Thompson being fired."
Listen: If you think you'll hit more tartets by firing a whole magazine or drum at once in the general vicinity of a group of targets, vs. aiming a single shot at each one, well, you're wrong.
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