Tuesday, February 27, 2018

Russia Is a Rogue State. Time to Say So.

The Kremlin's online activities go far beyond election meddling. The U.S. needs to fight back. It's not just Robert Mueller: In four different instances in the past four weeks, the U.S. government, often with allies throughout the world, has publicly called out Russia's bad online behavior and made clear it is behaving as an outlaw nation. And it's not just Mueller who is warning us about the Kremlin's increasingly nefarious activities. Vladimir Putin's Russia is engaged in a low-intensity conflict not just against the United States, but against the civilized world, where commerce and prosperity are inextricably intertwined with digitally connected machines.economy. It is impossible to confront threats to cybersecurity without addressing the Putin problem.


"The collective message is hard to miss: Putin's Russia is a rogue actor, and both its government's behavior and the freedom it provides criminals is making the world less safe. It is operating far outside the bounds of civilized countries online.

It's a problem similar to the rogue behavior we're seeing from North Korea on nuclear issues -- and we need a similar, collective global approach to punish and isolate Russia.

"Russia is ripping up the rulebook by undermining democracy, wrecking livelihoods by targeting critical infrastructure and weaponizing information," British Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson said, in citing Russia's role in NotPetya.

"We must be primed and ready to tackle these stark and intensifying threats."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-27 05:33 PM

Don't be messing with Humpy's BFF.

Humpy looked deep into Pooty Poots eyes and Pooty crooned to him...

"He said he didn't meddle, he said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump says. "Every time he sees me he says I didn't do that, and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it."

So obviously Pooty didn't do any of that meddling so you just have to believe the guy just like Humpy Trumpy.

They are obviously both such honest people how could you have ever doubted them!

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-27 05:50 PM

That's funny, when Mitt Romney stated that the number one foreign policy threat to the US was Russia, Obama said "The 1980s Are Calling, They Want Their Foreign Policy Back" and you freaks all ate it up, laughing hysterically that Romney was hopelessly stuck in the Cold War.

It wasn't the Republicans who said "we will have more flexibility in the Second Term" to the Russians.

It wasn't the Republicans who so proudly gave the Russians a "Reset Button."

Guess what, Russia has always been a rogue state, you just are just now trumpeting this like it is some kind of revelation because it is politically expedient to do so.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-27 06:20 PM

"Russia has always been a rogue state, you just are just now trumpeting this like it is some kind of revelation because it is politically expedient to do so."

Why isn't Trump trumpeting it?

Why isn't it politically expedient for the President to correct what you've characterized as the egregious oversight of his predecessor?

LOL is why.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-27 06:23 PM

I think you can answer your own questions, I don't think it is right for Trump to continue the Obama Administration's policies of appeasement against Russia, which I have never agreed with in the first instance.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-27 06:29 PM

Obama enacted some very strong sanctions against Russia, ROC, like most on the right who hate Obama, conveniently forget that.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-27 06:38 PM

"Trump to continue the Obama Administration's policies of appeasement against Russia"

What policies are you talking about???

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-27 06:39 PM


Fat ass won't even allow the NSA to stop their cyber attacks, won't enforce the sanctions Congress overwhelmingly passed and licks Putin's ass every chance he gets. There is no way he is going to label them anything other than friends of Dotard.

So why isn't Congress getting off it's ass to force him to implement the sanctions?

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-27 06:43 PM

"Trump to continue the Obama Administration's policies of appeasement against Russia"

What policies are you talking about???

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-27 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

The one's where Obama shut down their spy compound and expelled their spies. Except Trump wanted to give them the property back and throw in a year's subscription to Directv.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-27 06:45 PM

Oh look, another peace-loving Democrat banging his war drums, just like he did for Syria.

Your ilk will be the end of us.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-02-27 07:07 PM

What policies are you talking about???

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-02-27 06:39 PM

For almost eight years, Obama variously excused, denied, ignored or backed down before the predations of Putin's Russia, here's a few examples that you can chew on:

1. When Obama took office, in 2009, he blamed chilly Russian-U.S. relations not on Putin and his attempted military takeover of the former Soviet state of Georgia, but on President George W. Bush.

2. Obama courted Putin by shelving plans for missile defense in Eastern Europe and dispatching then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to present Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov with a juvenile (and mislabeled) "reset" button.

3. During the U.S. presidential campaign year of 2012, Obama was caught on a live microphone in Seoul, telling Russia's (placeholder president), Dmitry Medvedev, that he needed some "space" from Putin, but only till after the U.S. vote: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

4. In 2013, Putin delivered Obama a public slap in the face by giving asylum to American turncoat Edward Snowden, with his haul of National Security Agency secrets. Obama never even attempted to demand that Putin hand over Snowden.

5. In a pivot to Syria, Obama displayed some of that promised flexibility, alternatively declaring then disavowing his "red line" against the use of chemical weapons in Syria, instead "turning over the problem" to Putin.

6. When Obama was asked in a Feb. 2014 NBC interview whether his relationship with Putin had turned "icy," Obama shrugged it off, saying Putin had always treated him "with the utmost respect," and "there's a surprising amount of humor, and a lot of give and take."

7. Showing that humor and give and take, the following month, over U.S. objections, when Putin annexed Crimea, and went to work trying to violently destabilize the rest of Ukraine, Obama's response was tepid, at best. The reason why:

8. While Putin was annexing the Crimea, Obama welcomed Russia's presence at the Iran nuclear talks and didn't want to jeopardize what he saw as part of his legacy.

9. The resulting nuclear deal allowed terror-sponsoring Iran access to a vastly enhanced flow of capital, billions of which Iran is now spending on Russian weapons as a way of thanking their Russian sponsors.

10. In response to Putin's territorial grabs in Ukraine, Obama imposed targeted sanctions on Russia, but apparently not enough sanctions to persuade Putin to relinquish Crimea.

11. Recognizing that Obama was all bark and no bite, in Sept. 2015, Putin made a major military move into Syria, rolling right over the plans of Obama, who had just chaired a big conference on Syria at the United Nations in New York.

12. While Obama is at the Syria conference, Putin sent envoys one day later to deliver a demarche to U.S. embassy officials in Baghdad, informing them that Russia was about to begin bombing in Syria.

13. That same day, in New York, Secretary of State John Kerry meekly told a Russian-chaired meeting of the U.N. Security Council that the U.S. was prepared to "welcome" Russia's "action," unless Russia's aim was to protect Syria's President Bashar Assad, in which case, "we would have grave concerns."

14. Putin was unimpressed, allegedly calling Kerry "глупый маленький человек" (a silly little man.) The Russians, and Assad, are still there, and the Russians have expanded their bases in Syria without objection from the Obama Administration.

Should I go on?

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-27 07:09 PM

Obama Calls Vladimir Putin To Demand The Return Of Edward Snowden
Tom Parfitt, The Telegraph
Jul. 12, 2013, 8:50 PM


...His move prompted President Barack Obama to pick up the phone and call Russian President Vladimir Putin directly, presumably to demand the return of the 30-year-old former analyst at the National Security Agency,...

I guess you take issue with "presumably?"

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-27 07:50 PM


During that call, was there a lot of humor and give and take?

Didn't think so.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-27 08:04 PM

"Obama never even attempted to demand that Putin hand over Snowden."

goal posts are moving all over the place already.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-27 08:11 PM

Mitt! Romney, Obama... rwingers want to talk about anyone but Trump.

Who still withholds sanctions, apparently to keep the Pee Tapes private. Or maybe because he still wants to build "the biggest hotel in the world in Moscow" and more across the old Soviet Union that his buddy Putin, who wouldn't lie about interfering in elections, is putting back together.

Of course that project is well helped by an American "President" who turns a blind eye to Russia.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-27 11:13 PM

Hey, don't look at what Obama didn't do with Russia, Trump was peed on!!!!

-The DR Left


#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 12:50 AM

Snoofy Yav and Corky, why don't you try to address the 14 points that I put up.

Oh that's right, you can't.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 12:51 AM

Obama's respectful friend would also call you "глупый маленький человек".

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 12:52 AM

#10 and #11 Sheep thinks dems are warmongers, while RoC thinks they are appeasement monkeys. Which is it? Feel free to talk amongst yourselves until you figure it out.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-28 02:54 AM

You already had one addressed and you ignored it.

Besides, I don't care about your right-wing spin and deflections.
I didn't ask about Obama.

What I care about is the complete inaction of Trump to protect the next elections.

Trump is so dirty he can't even say "Putin's been a little naughty"
...unless it's private time and Putin peeing on him.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-28 07:12 AM

The 101st Flying Keyboardists are ready to ride again!

#21 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-02-28 08:51 AM

"Snoofy Yav and Corky, why don't you try to address the 14 points that I put up."

Rather ancient history, let's talk about why Trump wouldn't enact the sanctions passed by Congress. What hold does Putin have over Trump? Like his tax returns, it's a secret, probably his tax returns would shed some light on it. That may be why he won't release them.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-28 09:12 AM

"It wasn't the Republicans who said "we will have more flexibility in the Second Term" to the Russians."


They just met with Russians, lied about it again and again, and expected their sycophants to eat it up.

What number of "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" statements from our AG are we currently on? Three?

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-28 09:17 AM

How does what was not done in the past excuse what is not being done today?

#24 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-02-28 10:20 AM

What's funny is there is politics - especially in the statement "on mic". Obama is a politician, of course he says things. That said Obama did his best to bring "rogue" nations back into the fold. Bush did nothing but alienate a rising Russia. So I can not fault Obama for practicing actual diplomacy. If trade embargoes actually worked on dictatorships Cuba would have caved decades ago.

The problem is dictatorships don't want to be a part of the fold, but they do like to hang together... They may act like it isn't but in the end, their only desire is power. Putin was in control even when his stand in was in office. Iran - much the same. It is a religious dictatorship.

Besides Obama had such a cooperative congress to get ANYTHING done the last 6 years of his Presidency it's amazing anything happened.

That said Russia has become more and more belligerent since 2000 as surely as it has shifted toward dictatorship during that time. Not sure how you address it. Maybe giving Ukraine tons of arms, fighter jets and the like to start? Let them fight to take back their country. Maybe giving the Syrians the same sort of things so they can fight religious radicals and the Russians/Iranians/Hezbollah?

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-02-28 10:31 AM

Who has the most nuclear weapons, the largest Navy, Air Force, the most active Army? The most military bases? On that its something on the order of Russia 8, USA 800.

BushII cancelled the ABM Treaty. We have surrounded Russia with "defense" missile bases which can be converted to attack missiles in less than an hour. We've done so in violation of agreements reached with Gorbachev.

Then there's this:


Russia should know better than to stand up for itself. Obviously they are the aggressors and all we're trying to do is establish more democracy, even though we don't have any at home.

#26 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-28 02:47 PM


Thread is about online roguishness, Alexei.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 02:50 PM

There's words and there's weapons. Which carries more weight?

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-28 03:05 PM

This Thread is about online roguishness, Alexei.

You can protect Mother Russia and hate on America, with history we all know, on the other kind of thread.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 03:18 PM

I can't do anything for Russia. Neither can you. All we can ever hope to do is fix our own mess.

#30 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-28 03:22 PM

We can do all kinds of things to hamper Russian aggression online.... even if we can't stop Putin from forcing his way into other countries to reestablish the former Soviet Union.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 03:44 PM

So, you're a mind reader now!

Russians know they are at a substantial military disadvantage and tread carefully. You might remember they were the first to blink during the Cuban missile crisis. Since then their position has only worsened. But, they have taken stand on Crimea and Syria. Meanwhile, millions of innocent people are caught in the middle. That is the never ending tragedy.

One thing to keep in mind on the election interference, in so far as it is linked to the Russian State, is that they have pushed for an international anti-hacking treaty which the USA refuses to participate in. This will never stop real rogue individuals, but countries comply with treaties they sign.

#32 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-28 04:35 PM

- So, you're a mind reader now!

No, a history and current events reader, which is all it takes. Or you could ask the Pres of Georgia whom your buddy Vlad threatened to, "hang by the balls" if he resisted.

-they have pushed for an international anti-hacking treaty

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, lie, lie, lie.

"The 54-page document includes 72 proposed articles, covering collection of Internet traffic by authorities, "codes of conduct" for cyberspace and "joint investigation" of malicious activity. The language sounds bureaucratic and harmless, but experts say that if adopted, it would allow Russia to squeeze cyberspace even more.

The Kremlin's proposed convention would enhance the ability of Russia and other authoritarian nations to control communication within their countries, and to gain access to communications in other countries, according to several leading U.S. cyber experts."

The Moscow daily reported that the Russian Foreign Ministry had described the convention as an "innovative" and "universal" attempt to replace the 2001 Budapest Convention, which has been signed by the United States and 55 other countries but rejected by Russia.

Trump then floated a mystifying proposal: "Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded and safe."

Trump's suggestion that America join Russia in cyberdefense provoked an uproar in the United States. One Twitter commentator wrote:

"This is like the FBI asking the Mafia to form an anti-crime unit together."


#33 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 04:49 PM

Besides, I don't care about your right-wing spin and deflections.
I didn't ask about Obama.

Snoofy did, I (against my better judgment) answered his questions and then you accuse me of moving the goal posts, hence my lumping you in with Snoofy and Corky. You probably didn't deserve that fate, so I apologize.

I addressed Snoofy's "presumably" deflection in my 13.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 04:54 PM

Corky got me curious for a change by making substantive points. 8 signatures to the Budapest Agreement appear to be concerned with cybercrime. An accurate history is Georgia launched a huge offensive aimed at imposing its control over the rebel province with its predominantly Russian population in South Ossetia. Considering the relative sizes of the Georgian and Russian Armies it is difficult to imagine Georgia doing this without assurance of US support from the Bush administration, but Putin quickly drove them back out. But, there is no possibility of Russia reconstituting the involuntary WARSAW Pact.

As far as Russian intentions in any anti-hacking deal, that's what negotiations are supposed to resolve, instead of going to war. We must remain aware that only Putin could have poisoned a former KGB agent with polonium. With tools like Stuxnet, the US has nothing to fear by trying, except having its hands tied too.

Listening to Trump is a waste of time, yet he's still our President. We know he owes his soul to Russian Banks. Welcome to Trumpland. The most important player in the Trump campaign was Brad Pascal, next Republican Party, then Russia. Pascal has just been rehired. I can't imagine 3 more years, let alone 7.

#35 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-28 08:13 PM

Yeah people Ronnie Raygun done played mace nice with them so they been out friends ever since... Pppppppfffffffftttt!

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-03-01 08:12 AM

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