The truth is starting to emerge about a recent Russian attack on U.S. forces in eastern Syria, and it deserves more public attention. The assault looks increasingly like a botched attempt to bloody the U.S. and intimidate President Trump into withdrawing from Syria once Islamic State is defeated. The U.S. military won this round, but Vladimir Putin's forces will surely look for a chance at revenge. Here's what we know. Several hundred men and materiel advanced on a U.S. Special Forces base near Deir al-Zour on the night of Feb. 7-8. Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed soon afterward that the "battalion-sized unit formation" was "supported by artillery, tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems and mortars." U.S. forces responded in self-defense "with a combination of air and artillery strikes."
Now we're learning that Russian fighters were killed in the attack, and Lebanese Hezbollah was also involved. The Kremlin has tried to cover up the deaths, but that's getting harder as the body bags come home and Russian social media spread the word. The Foreign Ministry finally admitted Tuesday that "several dozen" Russians were killed or wounded but claimed that "Russian service members did not take part in any capacity and Russian military equipment was not used."
That depends on how you define "Russian military." Evidence is growing that the attack was orchestrated by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Russian oligarch who does much of Mr. Putin's dirty work. His businesses include the Internet Research Agency, a media operation indicted by a federal grand jury last week for meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.
... claimed that "Russian service members did not take part in any capacity and Russian military equipment was not used." ...
Didn't Pres Putin make similar claims when his armed forced invaded and took over part of Ukraine?
If this was a top level Russian effort, where was the air support? They sent "private contractors" into an completely obvious meat grinder that can't be won without air cover. US combat controllers called in air support and the attack was wiped out.
@#4 ...If this was a top level Russian effort, where was the air support? ...
If there were air support, then Russia would not have had the deniability they wanted to have and tried to use.
I was wondering the same thing but maybe its because the Russians wouldn't have the deniability if they provided CAS. Either way, it was a CF for the Russians and I agree with Lamp, someone should be lodging a formal complaint with the Russians over this attack.
We wiped out a bunch of dumb bad guys.
Russians simply don't care about casualties. We even phoned these dummies and told them we knew what they were up to and that we were going to kill them, and they still went ahead with it.
Oh well, their bad.
Their air support would have been a costly loss. They value that more than they value their own citizens.
What's your angle here Sitz?
#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-02-26 03:50 PM | REPLY
Sending expensive mercenaries on a suicide mission doesn't quite add up. They have cannon fodder for that.
There is a lot more to the story but we won't know for a long time.
these gentlemen were next into the meat grinder.
Mercs are generally experienced troops that you don't send to the grinder, there are plenty of Syrians for that task.
Sitz is right IMO, there is more to this than we will know in the short term (or ever.)
Since I cited the article, the Wall Street Journal has paywalled the page.
Here's another article with some more info:
What we know about the shadowy Russian mercenary firm behind an attack on U.S. troops in Syria
Here was the enemies first mistake:
"Here's what we know. Several hundred men and materiel advanced on a U.S. Special Forces base near Deir al-Zour on the night of Feb. 7-8. Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed"
Let us all take a brief moment to consider things not to do. This can include things like handling poisonous snakes, or beating on the nose-cone of a nuclear missile with a sledge hammer. Now let's all calmly look at the fallacy of logic contained in this simple phrase: "advanced on a U.S. Special Forces base". Now, show of hands, who does not see the error here? Now I expect detailed essays from all of you. One student will receive an 'A', another a 'B', another a 'C', and the rest will get an 'F'.
Good luck on your assignment.
"or beating on the nose-cone of a nuclear missile with a sledge hammer."
Actually, that's far safer than the layman may consider.
#13 Thanks Lampligther. I first read this rumor I think over a week ago, something about a hundred plus Russians getting their butts kicked by attacking Boaz or else trying something equally stupid. The original article said that he killed them all with nothing but his teeth and then collected a left toe from each corpse, so I'm pretty sure it's accurate. But yeah, a hundred plus left toes taken as trophies, from what I've heard.
They are testing responses and these gentlemen were next into the meat grinder.
#11 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2018-02-26 07:35 PM | REPLY
Probably not. This all began with a deal for the oil fields gone bad. It's also more like 30 Russians, not the 200+ killed from initial reports.
The destabilization of Syria began when drought caused massive crop failures. Since then the USA has moved quickly to turn it into a permanent war zone, using, of all things, ISIS. This follows the disaster that is Iraq, which has set the Middle East on fire between Sunnis (Saudis) and Shias (Iran), radically improving Iran's position. Next up Libya, destroy those lives too. Then, blame it all on Russia. What a f#&king joke. Listening to US conservatives talk, you'd think it was always this way. But that is a lie. Under Hussein there was intermarriage between Sunnis and Shia, with Christians and Jews living peaceably (as long as you didn't speak against Hussein). We destroy what we do not understand. We are not accountable for our belligerent behavior.
#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg
Except there are multiple audio of calls by one of the survivors. I don't speak Russian but and I am trying to pull this out of my mental archive. I believe he said 3 units/companies were involved. They nearly wiped out the first company (200 dead "according to him") and the other 2 companies had several KIA as well. I think the total was something like 215.
I know there is doubt about the accuracy of those calls. And yes there was a negotiation gone bad for control of the oil field. I think they thought with their armor, artillery and force size they could just take it. They were after all in charge of securing the oil fields for Assad. It was surely a test of the Americans and the American artillery and air came into play.
What a meaningless way to die. Fighting to secure an oil field for some Arab dictator who has lost control of the situation.
Except there are multiple audio of calls by one of the survivors.
#25 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2018-02-28 03:51 PM | REPLY
There are multiple calls from multiple survivors. Several of them scoff at the notion of 200 dead. Groups with reliable reporting are estimating under 3 dozen killed.
One of the calls, to paraphrase, says "we didn't know the Americans were there. We advanced, they ran up their flag at the same moment the artillery started dropping."
Trump has ignored Russian ongoing interference in US elections and now he's ignoring physical attacks on our troops. Congress should move immediately to remove him from office.
now he's ignoring physical attacks on our troops.
What occurred here is quite opposite of ignoring encroachment against US mil positions
I've heard it takes a few broken eggs to make a Freedom Democracy Omelette.
...Waiting for Corkys input.
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