Tuesday, February 06, 2018

Trump Showdown with House on Dem Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted unanimously Monday to release a Democratic rebuttal to GOP accusations that the FBI misled a secret surveillance court. President Trump now has five days to decide whether the information becomes public. The vote means the political rancor roiling Congress is likely to continue. Both parties have accused the other of misrepresenting sensitive intelligence surrounding the ongoing probe into whether any Trump associates coordinated with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. The panel's senior Democrat, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), announced the vote results, saying GOP attacks on the Justice Department and the FBI show desperation on the part of the president's defenders.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-05 08:21 PM

Unanimous vote to release. Interesting that the Repubs voted for the Dem memo where the Dems did not vote for the Repub memo.

Looks like the Repubs are more interested in the people having all the information.

I am for all the info coming out including the FISA.

I do not like taking anyone's word for what is there.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-05 08:49 PM

"Get to Know 'Little' Adam Schiff, Trump's Latest Twitter Target
The California congressman's profile is growing, even if no one will tell me how tall he is.

I am dying to know how tall Adam Schiff is, but no one will tell me. Reporters have privately sent me their guesses, but none of them will speak to me about it on record, which is understandable, considering they have no expertise in guessing the heights of their subjects. Still, I yearn for the truth.

I set out on my mission to learn about the congressman's height -- a rather trivial matter, I'm fully aware -- because on Monday morning, President Donald Trump tweeted a nasty thing about the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

"Little Adam Schiff," the president complained, "who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington."

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!
7:39 AM - 5 Feb 2018"

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#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-05 08:49 PM

#2

Jocularity! How could they not, after forcing their own now debunked biased #yomemo? It's not like they are Trump with no one but their Base to worry about who could very well stop the release.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-05 08:52 PM

Interesting that the Repubs voted for the Dem memo where the Dems did not vote for the Repub memo.

Not really. The first memo should never have been released. Once done, the rules all changed and the response memo had to be released. That or it would look really, really bad and the Dems would have had a field day.

This memo never would have been released if the first one hadn't been.

Now with Trump's instant declassification of the Republican memo, FOIA requests are being launched for the FISA warrants and supporting documentation.

Unintentional, and potentially devastating, consequences.

Thanks Trump.

BTW - is there a single point in the original Nunes memo that is still standing? That thing was ripped apart!

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-05 09:52 PM

Huh, funny how this has played out...

If the memo is the unsupported hunk of crap that the Dems claim/ferverently hope it to be, the MSM will demolish it in a matter of days. If they can't, then the Dems will need to ensure the counter memo gets released. It better do the job, because Fox will try to, in turn, eviscerate it.

Either way, no one is going to look good through this process.

Politics is a very dirty business.

POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-02-01 10:06 PM

Not only strategic but almost prophetic in its accuracy.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-05 11:23 PM

Not only strategic but almost prophetic in its accuracy.

"I'm right again!"

Squaaack!

"I'm right again!"

Squaaack!

"I'm right again!"

Squaaack!

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-02-05 11:26 PM

#7

Thanks for your rather odd "confirmation".

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-06 12:14 AM

Back on topic, part of me wonders if the Dems really wanted this counter memo released, since they were getting so much mileage from the initial refusal to release it. From a purely political standpoint, the GOP controlled Intelligence Committee, if they really thought that this counter memo hurt their political purposes, could easily have blocked its release. My guess is that this is as inconsequential as the Nunes memo was.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-06 12:29 AM

FOIA requests are being launched for the FISA warrants and supporting documentation.

Don't get your hopes up. The FISA applications have a s--t ton of classified information that these summary memos don't. There's also the pending prosecution of Gates that will play in preventing release.

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-06 01:10 AM

#DemoMemo

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-06 01:13 AM

Whoops:

#DemoMemo

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-06 01:17 AM

In the end, who could possibly benefit from the release of this shoddy work?

Only Donald Trump, who will use these half-truths to further interfere with the Special Counsel, and Vladimir Putin, who now has a clear view of how our intelligence community attempted to interrupt his operations in the United States.

#DemoMemo

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-06 01:21 AM

In the end, who could possibly benefit from the release of this shoddy work?

Devin Nunes's Mystery Memo: Repeating the Cycle of Distraction lawfareblog.com

#14 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-06 01:51 AM

#14 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Timing is everything. It's not just the millenials that suffer.

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-06 02:48 AM

Timing is everything.

Indubitably.

#16 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-06 03:09 AM

Don't get your hopes up.

My hopes aren't up. I'm horrified at the prospect. I brought it up as an unintended consequence of Trump's declassification of the Nunes/WH memo.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2018-02-06 07:03 AM

I am for all the info coming out including the FISA.

I do not like taking anyone's word for what is there.

#2 | Posted by sawdust

The Russians are all for it too! And, of course, they want us to distrust our government.

Interesting how Russia's agenda always lines up so neatly with yours.

Coincidence?

I think not.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-06 01:00 PM

- almost prophetic in its accuracy.

Comment is lame and absurd in it's self-congratulation.... not to mention that it wasn't the MSM that did #yomemo in, it was #yomemo itself, along with several members of Congress and the intel community on both sides.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-06 01:17 PM

it wasn't the MSM that did #yomemo in, it was #yomemo itself

What about "he unsupported hunk of crap" is confusing to you?

At least my "parrot" got it "right."

#angryaginghippy

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-06 01:31 PM

#20

lmao... now he's just babbling (and no longer about the MSM)... oh, wait, same as always.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-06 01:38 PM

Trump will just claim the Republican memo already "vindicated" him so there is no need for additional memos.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-06 02:03 PM

Interesting that the Repubs voted for the Dem memo where the Dems did not vote for the Repub memo.

It's almost like one is full of hyper partisan crapola and the other presents all the facts. I'm not going to say which.

#23 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-06 02:17 PM

Comment is lame and absurd in it's self-congratulation.... not to mention that it wasn't the MSM that did #yomemo in, it was #yomemo itself, along with several members of Congress and the intel community on both sides.

#19 | POSTED BY CORKY

Not to mention Russian trolls shouting #ReleaseTheMemo...Hmmm, I wonder what their agenda was (no, I don't, really).

#24 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-02-06 02:22 PM

Back on topic, part of me wonders if the Dems really wanted this counter memo released, since they were getting so much mileage from the initial refusal to release it.

Not really. DJT immediately used the release of the repub memo as "vindication" that he had done nothing wrong and may have tried to use the memo as a justification for why Rosenstein should be fired. Dems had to counter that argument right away.

#25 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-02-06 02:24 PM

Since the GOTP congress is publicly for the release, then they know the fix is in and Donald will not release it.

Winning!

#26 | Posted by 88120rob at 2018-02-06 02:26 PM

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

How is that interesting? I think you meant obvious. It'd be interesting if the Dem Memo vote occurred prior to the release of the GOP version, but it is pretty obvious the GOP members are just saving face with the Dem Memo vote.

#27 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-06 02:39 PM

Dems are making a mistake here. Even if they can claim that every allegation in the Nunez memo is false or misleading, since the underlying source material won't get declassified voters are left deciding on their own which party to believe. By releasing a counter-memo the Dems are unfortunately bestowing an air of equivalence to the Nunez memo.

Ultimately the Nunez memo is meaningless. The Nunez memo doesn't vindicate anyone, provides no legal cover for obstruction and doesn't change the fact that the FISA court agreed 3 times to spy on Carter Paige as a foreign agent. Courts are also not required to disregard testimony or evidence from a "biased" source. Paid informants testify all the time. Cops generally as a rule have little or no regard for suspects and call them every name in the book in the course of personal communications and investigation. The court can consider bias, but ultimately, the information provided by a biased source can still be credible. That's the court's ultimate consideration. Is the information credible. The memo means nothing to anyone other than Trump, Hannity and Nunez and the base that was already on their side and aren't going to change their minds no matter what information is presented to them.

Dems should have left well enough alone here. The memo Nunez memo was opinion only, contradicted itself and well sourced reporting was doing a more than adequate job of rebutting without Dems letting themselves get pulled down onto a level playing field with Nunez.

Establishing false equivalence has been a core messaging strategy for the GOP for 20 years. That Dems haven't caught on is frustrating as hell.

#28 | Posted by leadbelly at 2018-02-07 12:07 PM

#28 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY

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#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 12:09 PM

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