Wednesday, February 07, 2018

Why is the South So Unhealthy?

Year after year, southern states consistently rank among the worst in the U.S. for health and wellness. This is not a new trend. The rankings have changed little over the last quarter century. What's causing residents of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana and other southern states to live such short lives, while experiencing higher rates of cancer, diabetes and heart disease? A July study found a 20-year difference in life expectancy by county, with most of the counties with lower life expectancy located in the Southeast. The life expectancy gap is also growing year to year.

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You can live happy or you can live healthy. Rarely you can do both.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-05 05:29 PM

It's Paula Deen and her gravy.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-05 05:33 PM

#1 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Or you can be unhealthy and unhappy; as evident by this article and The South.

Maybe God is spiting the devilish South.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-05 06:19 PM

Good food and arrogant people who are proud no "jew york doctor gonna tell me how to live." is a recipe for death by food.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2018-02-05 07:07 PM

"What's causing residents of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana and other southern states to live such short lives, while experiencing higher rates of cancer, diabetes and heart disease?"

Their own choices is what's causing it.
Though, I'm sure there are environmental factors in play for some.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-05 07:19 PM

You say it like this is a bad thing.

Thoughts and prayers.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-05 08:35 PM

"What's causing residents of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana and other southern states to live such short lives, while experiencing higher rates of cancer, diabetes and heart disease?"

Cancer - The Mississippi River corridor from South of New Orleans all the way to North Baton Rouge is one of the largest petro-chemical industrial complexes in the world.

diabetes and heart disease - Rice & gravy, king cakes, and just an overall adoration for gluttony. Every thing we do is centered around food in some fashion.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-06 06:58 AM

Also, the poor are greater in numbers so there's the unhealthy eating habits that plague them too.

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-02-06 07:00 AM

Could it have something to do with the rejection of Medicaid Expansion? Millions going with no healthcare?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-07 08:38 AM

"Their own choices is what's causing it."

Did snoofy's account get hacked?

Yes. Choices. Conscious choices to be exact.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 08:58 AM

9

No.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 08:59 AM

"9
No."

Wrong.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-07 09:11 AM

#9...

No, it isnt.

It's actually cooking food that tastes good and over-eating. Plain and simple.

A choice...

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-07 09:14 AM

"It's actually cooking food that tastes good and over-eating. Plain and simple."

They don't do that in northern states? Ridiculous. What basic difference is there between southern states and the rest of the country? You don't want to hear the answer so you make up nonsense.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-07 09:22 AM

#8 exactly.

The life expectancy rate is low in that corridor, but not the lowest in that corridor, the lowest is upstream....

The poorest counties are the unhealthiest, and have the short life expectancy.
i.dailymail.co.uk
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Which correlates highly with the density of AfricanAmerican populations in the area.

I find it odd flyover people kick those from the south around, they portray it like its some poor uneducated white man. The reality is that most of the uneducated, unhealthy, unemployed demographic is made up of AfricanAmericans.

I understand it might feel good to kick the southerners around, but it obfuscates the reality.

You can consider this a racist post, or you could consider this food for thought about policies that are perpetuating this reality for Americans for the benefit of undocumented immigrants.

Politicians used to get this, Clinton gave a speech on the detriment Americans illegal immigration is having on "All Americans".

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. - Bill Clinton 1995
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4631739/bill-clinton-illegal-immigration

Help those AfricanAmericans help themselves .... build the f#$#ing wall, go after corporations/companies that hire illegal immigrants, and sponsors, of those that have visa violations.

Or Don't ... but kicking around the south when you cause the problem is hypocritical, but I suppose it satisfies some political tribal need.

Could it have something to do with the rejection of Medicaid Expansion? Millions going with no healthcare?
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI

So you are saying they weren't poor uneducated and unhealthy before the rejection? That would be an incorrect proposition ...

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-02-07 09:33 AM

#14 Regional food is different in the "northern states" then in the southern states, come to the midwest and we'll kill ya slowly with steak and potatoes.

spoonuniversity.com

#16 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-02-07 09:42 AM

Dare I say it?...

"--------" states

#17 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-02-07 09:42 AM

They don't do that in northern states?

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI

Actually, having traveled all over the world, I can say unequivocally that they do not do that anywhere as much as in the southern US. Also, nowhere else is 1)the food so delicious, 2)Food such a large part of the social fabric.

some things i have done to modify my southern diet is to rarely eat any fried foods and not eat any overcooked vegetables (only steamed). Sugar (and sweet stuff) is my weakness, I can't seem to kick it. That is another thing we southerners do to excess. Refined sugars are probably our worst health hazard.

#18 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-02-07 09:42 AM

"So you are saying they weren't poor uneducated and unhealthy before the rejection?"

No, that's how they were before the Medicaid expansion and it's how they remained after it but in states where they accepted the expansion of Medicaid people got treated for the exact same conditions they die from in the states that rejected it.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-07 09:46 AM

Regional food is different in the "northern states" then in the southern states, come to the midwest and we'll kill ya slowly with steak and potatoes.
spoonuniversity.com

#16 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

That's exactly right. I was up in Wisconsin and I stopped in a mom-and-pop steak house and ordered a steak and a salad. The lady looked at me funny and said, 'did you say a salad?', as if to say, WTF is a 'salad'. OTOH, it was one of the best damned steaks I ever ate. (I did end up having to get a potato - with lot's of butter.)

#20 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-02-07 09:46 AM

What basic difference is there between southern states and the rest of the country? You don't want to hear the answer so you make up nonsense.

No, it's because your answer is B.S. and nonsense.

Food tastes better in the south. That's because it's usually cooked with love. If the cook is cooking something they are going to eat, you can bet it's going to taste good, as opposed to a vegan or liberal meal that's made just to satisfy minimal human survival.

Having a meal is an event for family to come together in some cultures (Conservative). For some, it's an inconvenience (Liberals/food nannies).

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-07 09:46 AM

'as opposed to a vegan or liberal meal', 'in some cultures (Conservative)', 'inconvenience (Liberals/food nannies)'.

#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ

it's too bad your point is lost in your ridiculous and highly insecure political bias.

#22 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-02-07 09:51 AM

No, that's how they were before the Medicaid expansion and it's how they remained after it but in states where they accepted the expansion of Medicaid people got treated for the exact same conditions they die from in the states that rejected it.
#19 | POSTED BY DANNI

Surely you can provide a study that analyzes measurable health outcomes in states that expanded Medicaid before/after.

Actually, you probably can't because it happened so recently that not enough data exists afterward to perform a comparison.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 10:19 AM

#20 Wisconsin doesn't know S#$t about steak! If you make it over my way, or pinch's I'll take you to a real steak house, they even have salads, of course it still comes with potatoes though with butter, sour cream, chives and bacon bits lol

#24 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-02-07 10:48 AM

The biggest key to a great steak is the cut itself.

Some steak houses Sous Vide their steaks to various internal temps and then pan sear after pulling the steak out of the bath.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 10:53 AM

"What basic difference is there between southern states and the rest of the country?"

Danni, you want to blame this on medicare expansion? You're insane.

The South has ranked worst in health for how many years prior to Obamacare?

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 10:56 AM

"No, that's how they were before the Medicaid expansion and it's how they remained after it but in states where they accepted the expansion of Medicaid people got treated for the exact same conditions they die from in the states that rejected it."

what the ---- are you talking about?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 10:57 AM

what states in the south that have previously ranked poor in health have improved their results by expanding Medicaid?

That would be a great success story.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 11:04 AM

All of them are red states....this story just proves republiclowns are fat lazy self-pitying druggie welfare recipients and vote against their own best interests... their lives ooze self destructive tendencies...

...already knew that. .. no surprises here.

#29 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-02-07 11:04 AM

29

conclusion....some folks just refuse to make good choices even when offered them.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 11:06 AM

If you make it over my way, or pinch's I'll take you to a real steak house...

Food snobs are always amusing. Like wine snobs, beer snobs, cigar snobs...

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-02-07 11:18 AM

Food snobs are always amusing. Like wine snobs, beer snobs, cigar snobs...

#31 | POSTED BY REDIAL

True. However, sometimes the snobbery is justified. I'll give an example: Bratwurst. In Michigan, the best bratwurst I can find is Johnsonville. Several years ago I took the family to visit an old buddy living in Gurnee. We got on the subject of brats and he chided Johnsonville. I was surprised and told him that I really liked that brand. He informed me that the next morning we were going to take a 20-minute drive into Wisconsin and pick up some real brats. I was highly skeptical but, damn it, he was absolutely right. These brats were absolutely amazing and made Johnsonville seem pedestrian by comparison.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 11:27 AM

Why is the South So Unhealthy?

The south is full of republicans.

Republicans have been brainwashed to think liberals are evil and anything they say is a lie.

Liberals say to eat healthy, so republicans think the right thing to do is eat as bad as possible.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-07 11:34 AM

They think eating crap is an expression of freedom and masculinity, because they're masking massive insecurities about themselves.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-07 11:35 AM

Also the south has a terrible education system. Ignorant people eat badly.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-02-07 11:36 AM

However, sometimes the snobbery is justified.

Most of the time it's just regional pride --------. New York vs. Chicago pizza and dumb stuff like that.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-02-07 11:44 AM

It's a slow news morning. Yawn.

Let's mock fat slobs living in the South.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-02-07 11:59 AM

BBQ from the South isn't even anything special, they just think it is because they don't leave the South. They usually kill the meat flavor with pretty hit-or-miss sauces or cheap smoke sources anyway.

#38 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-07 12:01 PM

#37 | POSTED BY MODER8

Only because they deserve it.

#39 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-07 12:01 PM

#36 | POSTED BY REDIAL

That's easy; one is a pizza and the other is a lasagna/pie hybrid. Both are good but the better pizza is obvious.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-07 12:02 PM

#38 Dr Jones

It depends on the region. Texas is all about dry rubs (no sauce) and post oak in offset smokers.

Even in other regions, KC, Carolina, etc. offset smokers using locally-sourced wood, is the go-to method for smoking the meat.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 12:03 PM

Most of the time it's just regional pride --------. New York vs. Chicago pizza and dumb stuff like that.

#36 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I agree with you on this.

More generally, deep-dish vs thin-crust is purely a matter of subjective taste and mood. I love both, but for different reasons and go for one over the other depending on my mood and which sounds better at the moment.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 12:05 PM

Texas is all about dry rubs...

Probably why we're always in a bad mood.

#43 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-07 12:07 PM

BBQ from the South isn't even anything special, they just think it is because they don't leave the South. They usually kill the meat flavor with pretty hit-or-miss sauces or cheap smoke sources anyway.

#38 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Given your take, ironically it sounds like Texas BBQ would be right up your alley. No sauce, big emphasis on brisket, locally sourced oak as the primary fuel choice and simple rubs, usually just salt and pepper. It's all about the natural flavors and aroma of the meat and the wood.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-07 12:08 PM

"Medicaid Expansion Has Improved People's Health, Access to Care, and Financial Security"

www.cbpp.org

#45 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-07 12:11 PM

Food deserts have a lot to do with it as well.
usa.streetsblog.org

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-07 12:13 PM

#43 I'm sure Dix will dry rub your meat for ya

#36 I don't accept you to understand my Canadian friend, when poutine, butter tarts, and tourtiere, is the best you got.

#47 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-02-07 12:28 PM

I'm sure Dix will dry rub your meat for ya...

Best to keep him at arm's length.

#48 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-07 12:31 PM

What a surprise. Danni is doubling down after being called out as demonstrably wrong.
Makes you wonder if she's related to Trump. >:-)

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-07 02:01 PM

49

exactly. Her link in 45 involved access to doctors which is fine but there is no data on outcomes. real outcomes....such as the obesity rate in Kentucky and Arkansas. And I'm betting those states are ranked exactly the same if not worse than before obamacare.

she wishes it would improve and I hope it does.....but the evidence is that it hasn't improved.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 02:31 PM

"conclusion....some folks just refuse to make good choices even when offered them.
#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

That's not a conclusion, thats what prompted the question in the first place:

Why does the South have more of those kinds of people?

Why, Eberly?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-07 06:29 PM

don't ask questions if you already know the answer, snoofy.

I don't know why the South has more of those kinds of people. There are idiots everywhere who can't make good choices.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-07 06:40 PM

"I don't know why the South has more of those kinds of people."

You don't even have a hunch? Like, they're poorly educated, and poor financially, compared to the rest of America?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-07 08:00 PM

Look at the map in #46. What other maps does it resemble? Ones on Poverty? Low education?

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-08 01:09 AM

The positive take from this article is that large numbers of sickly repug land whales are expiring prematurely. MAGA

#55 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-02-08 10:13 AM

"Her link in 45 involved access to doctors which is fine but there is no data on outcomes. real outcomes."

Every patient that gets a chemo treatment, a radiation treatment, dialysis, diabetes medication, etc. are examples of why your statement is nonsense. It is sort of sad that you actually pretend that access to healthcare does not improve outcomes. That is the level of argument used to fight against universal healthcare and we need only look at statistics from nations that have universal healthcare and compare them with our own to see that universal healthcare does improve outcomes including lifespan, infant mortality, etc. Your argument is basically dishonest. Provably so.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-08 10:41 AM

Jeff, have you ever had white BBQ sauce? It's popular in northern Alabama and I came across it several years ago. Fantastic with poultry and pulled pork, but I'm a big horseradish fan.

#57 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2018-02-08 11:59 AM

Jim,

I have not had white BBQ sauce. I'm intrigued and will definitely look into it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-08 12:48 PM

#57 & #58 There's a joke in there somewhere, I'll leave it at that...... ;)

#59 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-02-08 01:00 PM

The truth is the best loved dishes down south were not constantly available until the last couple of generations. Meat was not a daily thing outside of bacon. Plus back in the past people got a lot more exercise, check out the old photographs, not a fatty in view. Black eyed peas were much more common than fried chicken most days, Poke salad was common, as was collards, sweet potatoes, butter milk, home made butter, and pan drippings for gravy. Lots of rice and beans, lots of truck patch veggies all summer. Meat was pork or chicken, beef was rare even in Texas. Life styles changed, diets didn't. Even looking back with rose colored glasses, remembering the feast but forgetting the fast.

#60 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-02-08 01:02 PM

Lots of overweight ------- and Cletuses that voted for orange Adolf down there probably blaming "society" and Obama for them and their fat family being morbidly obese. I'm sure some of them post here.

#61 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-02-08 01:06 PM

"Food tastes better in the south. That's because it's usually cooked with love."

You're confusing love with lard.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-08 01:12 PM

"Life styles changed, diets didn't."

Lifestyles of the Poor and Bloated.
Dr. Pepper dreams and Moon Pie wishes!

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-08 01:17 PM

Docnjo

Yep I remember dinner at grandmas. 7 dishes and not a lick of meat. It was fantastic and super filling, also low fat. My grandpa used to take a table spoon of butter and jam and mix it together and dip his biscuits in it. I couldn't believe the amount of fat in that at the time but as I grew older I realized that was about all the fat he ate all day.

He would then go work the farm till dark. Man lived to 97 and wasn't overweight a day of his life.

Same meal today would have the same 7 dishes plus meat and it would be eaten after sitting at a desk all day.

#64 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-02-08 01:39 PM

Since this one is winding down, I don't see this as hijacking. Put everything in a mason jar and shake. Got this from Chris Lilly, well known on the BBQ circuit.

1/2 cup mayonnaise
1/4 cup vinegar
at least 1/2 tsp prepared horseradish
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper
1/8 tsp cayenne
1 Tbsp sugar
1/2 tsp lemon juice
2 Tbsp apple cider

Don't mind if I die a little early.

#65 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2018-02-08 01:55 PM

#65 | POSTED BY JIMDUNCAN

It's not the dying that sucks, if it's going to kill you in the end, it's usually a slow death. Things start hurting, you can't do or enjoy the things you used to be able to do,etc.

That's the part that sucks.

#66 | Posted by Lohocla at 2018-02-08 02:17 PM

You're confusing love with lard.

#62 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-02-08 01:12 PM

It's not the lard. It's the veggie oil.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-08 02:25 PM

#66, I agree. I've been socking away money for years thinking I'll have a great retirement. Ill probably drop dead day one. I've always thought my wife's next husband is going to love me.

#68 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2018-02-08 02:26 PM

#65 | POSTED BY JIMDUNCAN

Looks good. It's a bit like the dressing I make for cole slaw. Never considered putting it on meat.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-08 03:40 PM

#68 | POSTED BY JIMDUNCAN

Haha, yeah, same here, except it'll be my sister who will benefit, so I'm OK with that.

#70 | Posted by Lohocla at 2018-02-08 04:01 PM

Since we're sharing

2 cups cider vinegar (you can cut this in half if you think it will be too vinegary for you)
2 Tablespoons molasses
1 Tablespoon ground dry mustard
1/2 cup butter
1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 Tablespoon Worcestershire
1 cup packed dark brown sugar
4 teaspoons cornstarch

#71 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-02-08 05:22 PM

Texas is all about dry rubs...
Probably why we're always in a bad mood.

#43 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

No way! Dry rub is the way to go.

The only sauce that isn't an abomination is Carolina-style vinegar based sauce.

KC and STL style sauces are way too sweet.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-08 11:56 PM

OK, the original recipe for BBQ sauce- (pre 1940s)
One bottle of Worcestershire sauce, full pint
One gallon of canned ketchup
One pound of brown sugar
(adequate for ten pounds of beef)
Cook low and slow all night or all day, 10 hours minimum. liberally apply sauce when turning meat.
BBQ is not gourmet, food snobs grind my gears. Why not leave this to the rednecks and black people who invented it.

#73 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-02-09 02:48 PM

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